Re: Summertime, sdf user atyh 07/21/22 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SDF user atyh recently posted about living on their property in the summer.[1] I absolutely love the visual that was painted, as well as the details on the scythe and the bath. There was one thing that got me a little, and that was the description of their interaction with the county where they live in the PNW: "There are of course the continual struggles with the county in the background, as they are quite frustrated that we live so simply, and entirely off grid. My cynicism toward modern government has grown significantly in the last two years as I have learned more about how they operate. It is my current belief that 20% of what they do is necessary, and the other 80% is all activity designed to perpetuate and grow their bureaucracy through extortionary policy making. But Pareto could have told us this long ago. Currently, unless we show regular 'progress' toward a conventional house with all of the environmental damage which comes with that, they threaten to chase us off our own land. Strange that they think this is right. Forcing people off of their own rural land for not living in a structure with a concrete foundation." I lived in the PNW--outside of Portland, OR, in rural Washington County, to be exact--for about 20 years. My mom still lives there, on 60acres of land that she basically cannot use or divide. She can live there, or sell it to the vineyards that are slowly buying the entire countryside. atyh, the reason the county is "quite frustrated that [you] live so simply, and entirely off grid" is directly tied to two things: the way counties collect revenue, and the way local government views individual liberty. In Oregon where there is no sales tax, property tax is the sole source of revenue. To be fair, Oregon's median property tax rate is fairly average. However, that average tax must supply the governments needs and wants--and it is based on land value. Land value changes dramatically when a structure is permanently affixed to the real estate. You can see where this is going: county government wants you to use your land in ways that increase the real, taxable value. Off-grid, temporary, and non-standard structures and lifestyles do not increase land value. In my mom's county, they regulate these valueless uses out of existence. What you're doing would be practically criminal in her county's eyes. And that is where the government's approach to personal liberty comes into the equation. There are places where such regulation will and does get tolerated, and places where it just won't happen. And, I'm sad to say, it's politics. Land use was one of several reasons I left the PNW. I would even say it was one of the biggest reasons. Most recently, we relocated to Missouri. Had never even been here before we moved. There were a number of micro reasons, but no macro ones. And I hadn't even fully considered land use. However, upon meeting different people and learning more, I came to understand that Callaway County in particular has almost zero land use restrictions (on county land; cities have their own rules.) The only thing they regulate is waste disposal (you'll need a county approved system, either septic or lagoon or some other exception, to build a house.) There are zero inspections apart from that (seriously, none. You could build an entire house from foundation to roof, and the county won't inspect any aspect of it. This means you have to be very careful when buying a home outside city limits.) You could literally build your house out of straw bales[2], powered by rain water collection and 12v solar, and no one would care. I imagine that if you're not building a deed-attached home, you could just live on your land here without any government contact at all*. Another thing that they get you with in the PNW is occupancy. In my mom's county, the only way to get two houses on her 60acres is to get special permission for farm help or an exemption for an aged or disabled family member. Contrast that with Callaway County, where you could slap half a dozen houses on your land, all sharing the same driveway (I know people with almost that many houses, for family members, on one piece of property.) And again, no one will be coming 'round to inspect any of it. My point isn't to claim that Callaway County, Missouri is somehow a Utopia. It isn't (though, it is green and beautiful!) Nor am I saying that you ought to sell your land in the PNW and move to Missouri. My whole point is to throw a light on land use laws, and how they vary from county to county, and state to state. People who are interested in off grid or alternative living should start first by understanding land use laws, and understanding that they do vary wildly. * As long as you have no children. Most governments classify neglect in terms of basic living conditions including electricity, running water, etc. [1] gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/atyh/phlog/summertime.txt [2] https://strawbale.com/