Subj : Re: Z1_BACKBONE Echolist Update
To   : All
From : Nick Andre
Date : Thu Oct 11 2018 07:15 pm

On 11 Oct 18  15:09:56, Ben Ritchey said the following to Alan Ianson:

BR> This is purely a technical decision. I have never been "across the pond"
BR> though 
BR> I have visited several Far East ports of call on leave from the Marine Corp
BR> while stationed on several Helicopter Carriers. :) I have no hangups about 
BR> "foreigners" that I am aware of, though I do consider US interests before a
BR> others, good enough?

Theres nothing really technical to make a decision about Echomail, as my old
drinking-buddies used to say, "it is what it is". Its going to echo... and 
there is no such thing as a private Echomail area. There is no security or 
authentication inherit to Echomail to prevent uninvited guests. No 
encryption, no way of restricting distribution beyond the originating system.

You may be surprised to know that there exists a gentlemen's-agreement between
myself and Ward. As in, you don't screw me and I won't screw you. It goes 
beyond that, in that I have full unrestricted access to his entire system 
(Echoes, passwords for everyone, routing tables etc). He was on-board when I
told him that I seriously wish to improve Z1-Z2 relations.

I think its important to understand how damaged Z1-Z2 relations are. Since I 
have been elected, I am constantly watched and put under the scope by the
"nodelist police" and now recently the "Echomail police". Its not just Zone 2,
there are some individuals in this zone that would like to see me fail 
spetacularly. And heres another example.

I am an invited guest to ENET.SYSOP (the Zone 2 equivalent of Z1C), but I
cannot extend Ward the same courtesy in return because of the sheer amount of
hostility and hatred some folks here have towards him - Justified or not. So
anything he posts in Z1C would be immediately flamed. Thus going against my
wish of "keeping the peace" between zones. Him and I discussed this in great
detail. As a side note... I am treated very nicely in ENET.SYSOP even 
surprisingly by the most notorious ones who flamed Zone 1 in the past.

There are many in Zone 2 who believe Zone 1 conducts secret business, because 
of the many attempts in the past to keep Admin echoes restricted to Zone 1 
only. Due to past political strifes, there are some non-Zone1 Sysops who see a
Zone 1 Admin echo as a "dare" or inciting to gain access; just because
they can. Z1C, Z1REGCON, Z1_ELECTION... its all available. I feel it would be
best to at least acknowledge and seriously consider this.

If you open up access, not only would you show transparency and prove this 
zone has no secret-business, all you do is just make it clear that everyone
is to behave, and the nature of this echo is tech-related. If you know the 
echo can be accessed worldwide, make it so posting here is by invitation-only 
or enter into gentlemen's-agreements with the moderators in question.

I may not be a Nab fan, but I would do my best to stop any flame-wars in these
Nab Admin echoes from non-Nab people.

Just my two cents.

Nick

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