Subj : Re: Floyd
To   : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Fri Jul 24 2020 02:53 am

 -=> On 07-23-20  21:57,  Gregory Deyss <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


Most of your remarks here are off the mark and were pivots trying to
distract from the point.  Thus they deserve no response.

 DS> How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their
 DS> children about how to act if stopped by the police?  How many black
 DS> parents have *NOT* felt that need.

 GD> What do you think that conversation is Dale among white families to
 GD> their young adults? 
 GD> Be Respectful perhaps...?
 GD> Maybe if the Black Families had the same conversation with their young
 GD> adults maybe that would break the cycle, what do you think?

White parents do not see the need to tell their white children "keep
your hands on the steering wheel so that you do not get shot".  White
parents do not see the need to tell their white children "don't make any
sudden movements or you might get shot".  White parents do not see the
need to tell their white children "don't question why you were stopped
or you might get shot". and so forth, the list goes on.
 
 GD> Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil
 GD> rights act has been passed.

 DS> That is simply not true.  The budgets of predominately black schools
 DS> have been less than those of predominately white schools.  Hence, not
 DS> equal.

 GD> Your facts are lefty fictions, you ever hear of opportunity zones, why
 GD> don't you read up on what the President is doing for Urban kids in
 GD> schools.  You might even learn something. 
 
Since his Secretary of Education has no knowledge nor connection in her
life with public schools, I would doubt that she has made any attempt to
equalize the disparity.  Please show me how that is not true.

 GD> No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would
 GD> illegal and punishable by law.

 DS> Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey.  Oh -- you can't do that
 DS> because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

 GD> We all know the Treyvon Martin Story, and that is no one to put on a
 GD> pedestal. He was a thug, and also a kid who Obama once said could of
 GD> been my son. 

Your point is what?  Any want-a-be cop / vigilant has the right to gun
down anyone he believes to be a thug who does not belong in his
neighborhood?  Surely you jest.

 DS> Some of which are not from a distant past.  The fact that they ever
 DS> happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

 GD> This is 2020 not 1950. 

None of those memories were as far back as 1950.  Some were from much
more recent times.

 GD> I do not think you have the same understanding with the facts in the
 GD> Michael Brown case or what the events that led to Mr. Browns death. 
 GD> You apparently were
 GD> sleeping when when it once announced the Michael Brown reached into
 GD> the Police car and tried to take the gun from the Police Officer and

A report that is / was in dispute.  The other version is that the
officer grabbed Brown by the neck and then shot at him.  After which
Brown tried to run away.

 GD> declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the

 DS> Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
 DS> wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or
 DS> justification.  That is Trump's idea of law and order.

 GD> Probable Cause ? Are you serious these cities look like a warzone and
 GD> getting worse by the hour.  Storm Troopers - Yet another Nazi
 GD> Reference?  You're as bad as Pelosi that's what she said I do believe. 

I used the appropriate expression.  Have you not watched any of the
videos showing them rushing up to a man standing quietly and grabbing
him and shoveing him into an unmarked car?  Or the video showing them
using baton sticks to attack a man standing with his hands up?  What
else would you call such tactics.  They are deliberately inflaming the
protestors.

 GD> These are Democratic Mayors & Governors who have lost control of their
 GD> cities. Do you deny that? - or do like chaos? 

It is their city, and it is their responsibility.  They were working
with the protestors.  One of them was tear gassed in another attack on
peaceful protestors.  Those milita do not belong there poring gasoline
on the embers.

                               Dale Shipp
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