Subj : Re: War Powers Vote
To   : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Sat Jan 25 2020 02:06 am

 -=> On 01-24-20  07:25,  Gregory Deyss <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War Powers Vote <=-

 DS> It was not a "footnote" it was and is a law.  And Trump violated it.

 GD> What you're missing is that GAO was from a legislative body, which
 GD> does not have the same teeth; nor the authority against the executive
 GD> branch, therefore it might as well be nothing more then footnote, and
 GD> dim memory. 

It is an independent body of the government, tasked with the job of
determining violations of the law by government officials, and with the
expertise to do so accurately.  What they said is not a "footnote", it
is an informed opinion.  It is also worth mentioning that at least two
OMB officials resigned rather than being caught up in such illegal
activity and that when the person in charge refused to sign off on it,
he was replaced with a political appointee who would do what ever Trump
wanted -- illegal or not.

 DS> True, the Democrats did not count on the President releasing evidence
 DS> that proves he committed a crime -- but that is exactly what he did.

 GD> Look- you need to understand what the articles of impeachment say.
 GD> Neither of them are a crime that is punishable or will 
 GD> result w/ removal of the
 GD> President.

I have previously outlined four laws that were broken by the acts
referred to in the articles of impeachment.  Try reading them with
understanding.

 GD> (both of these so called articles are said to exist because what the
 GD> Democrats believe took place on the phone call.)

No belief needed -- it is a proven fact and Trump presented the evidence
for all to see.

 GD> if that is true then
 GD> why is it that  other Democrats have indicated that impeachment
 GD> proceedings began days after Donald J. Trump was elected.

You are totally wrong.  Impeachment proceedings did not begin until
several months ago when the Speaker authorized them.  Impeachment
investigations did not begin until some time after the information about
the phone call became known.

 GD> with the
 GD> likes of Rashida Tlaib on Trump: 'Impeach the motherf---er' on
 GD> 01/04/2019 creating a constitutional crisis where there is none. 

One impassioned congress person does not institute an impeachment
proceeding.
 
 DS> Policy -- The Democrats want to protect the USA national security by
 DS> aiding Ukraine in its war with Russia.  Trump wants to allow Russia to
 DS> do whatever it wants, anywhere.

 GD> President Trump sent the Ukrainians defensive weapons, where Obama
 GD> sent them blankets and pillows. 

President Trump refused to send the defensive weapons which had been
authorized by Congress and that the Ukraine needed until after he got
caught with his extortion.  President Obama sent whatever aid Congress
approved.  You are just echoing the Fox News spin and diversion from the
relevant facts.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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