Subj : Re: Trump failures Fake
To : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Tue Aug 27 2019 02:43 am
-=> On 08-26-19 22:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake N <=-
GD> Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
GD> built?
DS> He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the
DS> 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the
DS> agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.
GD> You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that
GD> know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump
GD> becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success
GD> story.
GD> Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because
GD> the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.
In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
telling the truth.
GD> Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to
GD> be locked and now closed to the pubic?
DS> No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
DS> organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other
DS> problems with it.
GD> There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce)
GD> don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your
GD> local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes....
<extracted from WIKI article on Trump Tower, describing undocumented
workers and other labor disputes, which eventually cost Trump $1.375
million.>
Unpaid laborers
In 1983, a class-action lawsuit was filed against the Trump Organization
concerning unpaid pension and medical obligations to labor unions whose
members helped build the towers.[62] Trump had paid $774,000 to a
window-cleaning company that employed undocumented Polish immigrants
during the renovation of an adjoining building.[63] According to the
laborers, they were paid $4 an hour (equivalent to $10 in 2018) for
12-hour shifts, and were not told about asbestos in the
under-construction structure.[63]
Trump testified in 1990 he was unaware that 200 undocumented Polish
immigrants, some of whom lived at the site during the 1980 New York City
transit strike, and worked round-the-clock shifts, were involved in the
destruction of the Bonwit Teller building and the Trump Tower
project.[64] Trump said he rarely visited the demolition site[64] and
never noticed the laborers, who were visually distinct for their lack of
hard hats.[65] A labor consultant and FBI informant testified that Trump
was aware of the illegal workers' status.[64] Trump testified that he
and an executive used the pseudonym "John Baron" in some of his business
dealings,[64] although Trump said he did not do so until years after
Trump Tower was constructed.[65] A labor lawyer testified that he was
threatened over the phone with a $100 million lawsuit by a John Baron
who supposedly worked for the Trump Organization. Donald Trump later
told a reporter, "Lots of people use pen names. Ernest Hemingway used
one."[65]
After the laborers filed for a mechanic's lien over unpaid wages, they
said a Trump Organization lawyer threatened to have the Immigration and
Naturalization Service deport them.[63] A judge ruled in favor of the
Polish laborers in 1991, saying that the organization had to pay the
workers.[66] The contractor was ultimately ordered to pay the laborers
$254,000.[63][67]
The case went through several appeals by both sides as well as non-jury
trials, and was reassigned to different judges several times.[68][69]
The original named plaintiff, plaintiffs' attorney, and two
co-defendants, died during the litigation, leading Judge Kevin Duffy to
compare it unfavorably to Charles Dickens' fictional case Jarndyce and
Jarndyce in June 1998, when he was assigned the case after the death of
the previous presiding judge.[62] The lawsuit was ultimately settled in
1999, with its records sealed.[65] In November 2017, U.S. District Judge
Loretta A. Preska ordered the settlement documents unsealed.[63] In the
settlement, Trump agreed to pay a total of $1.375 million,[63] which,
according to the plaintiffs' lawyer, was the full amount that could have
been recovered at trial.[63]
GD> Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
GD> No to all the above!
DS> But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.
GD> This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about
GD> it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9
Which confirms what I said.
DS> Trump Airlines
GD> In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline
GD> business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years
GD> had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington,
GD> D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s,
GD> landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint
GD> his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump
GD> touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a
GD> luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the
GD> floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures.
GD> But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers
GD> (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look)
GD> combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never
GD> turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans,
GD> and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The
GD> Trump Shuttle ceased
GD> to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle
GD> Inc.
Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.
DS> Trump the Game
GD> In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump:
GD> The Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players
GD> must buy and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business
GD> deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the
GD> predicted 2 million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one
GD> to abandon ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his
GD> success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series
GD> catchphrase "You're Fired into the game. Other updated features
GD> included a sterner-looking Trump on
GD> the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips.
Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.
DS> Trump Steak,
GD> yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found.
And what do you have to say about all of the other failures I listed,
and you declined to comment on? Especially Trump University
GD> What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
GD> and also tell me why...
DS> The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
DS> businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
DS> be paying for them.
GD> I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't
GD> understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't
GD> understand is why you think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with
GD> tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the
GD> U.S. with a small tariff and American made goods have a very high
GD> tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work
GD> on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average
GD> every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and
GD> with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This
GD> should be a nonpartisan issue. or
You are pivoting and not answering what was said, namely how Trump is
lieing when he claims that the Chinese government is paying for the
tariffs he has imposed and not the Americans.
GD> Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame
GD> this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be
GD> un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but
GD> you should have a bit more respect for your country.
I have a lot more respect for this country than Trump does.
DS> Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.
GD> The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking
GD> more of the American product from American farmers and they want to
GD> and have backed out
GD> of the deal. How is that Trumps fault?
Because they are reacting to the tariffs he put onto the Chinese. It is
a war, and the American farmers are collateral damage.
DS> His family separation policy for immigrants who
DS> come seeking the asylum
DS> that USA law says they have the right to do.
GD> Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what?
GD> We will be separated from our families too.
We would never be separated for a crime that is the equivalent of
Jaywalking, a misdemeanor. They are not attempting to hide from the
law. They cross the border, and immediately surrender to the border
patrol and ask for asylum -- which is their legal right under USA law.
DS> Correct -- show me where that has been said by any
DS> prominent Democrat.
DS> It is just not true.
GD> that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become
GD> relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be
GD> nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also
DS> References please.
GD> Sure.
GD> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
GD> read about it here
GD> https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c
Not exactly a major Democrat -- a new member of congress who speaks with
a voice of one, albeit loudly, accepted by a few others, but not by the
Democratic party.
DS> GD> They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
DS> GD> are now back.
DS> DS> Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it
DS> has happened.
GD> It's True read all about it here.
GD> https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8
That is a publication produced by and for the Trump whitehouse. As
such, it is as much a reliable evidence source as when Sean Spicer stood
before the podium and stated that the crowd at Trump's inaguration was
the largest in history.
Dale Shipp
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