gopher is not part of 'the modern web' and that's a good thing That is the best way I can summ it up. The 'modern web' means walled gardens, which is almost impossible in gopher sites and not what http/html and gopher were designed for. Sure, almost nothing supports it anymore, but gopher has two advantages that http and html don't: first, it is under the GNU GPL copyleft license, and second, gopher's usual format (menus and text) mean that it pretty much must interconnect, as you cannot provide everything on one server. That near requirement for interconnection makes a 'modern' walled garden impossible. In fact, the original gopher developers had do most of the later work on gopher during their own time because the university administration hated that it would not allow for a walled garden. Both the web's and gopher's first server were hosted on personal computing. We should take back the internet from what the internet was meant to allow us to escape: mainframes. r0bobox