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On 2010-06-02 18.00, David Meyer wrote:
> Hi, Bjorn.
>
> You've got a great page on setting up ITS to run on a PDP-10 simulator.=
>
> I wanted to set up my own ITS server, but with the repository at
> <ftp://ftp.its.os.org> apparently defunct for several years, I can't f=
ind
> a copy of the PI (or any other) distribution file anywhere on the
> Internet.
>
> Do you know if another site has taken up the slack for its.os.org, or d=
o
> you know of anywhere I might be able to obtain these files?
>
> Thanks for you help.
> =20
Hi David,
To set up your own ITS system, I don't think the ftp.its.os.org files=20
are necessary, you should be OK with the PI disk image from=20
trailingedge, plus the LISP directory which you can get from my ITS web=20
pages. But I'll look into this anyway and see if there is some way of=20
solving the problem.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:10:12 +0200
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To: David Meyer <papa@freeshell.org>
Subject: Re: Public ITS distribution tape files
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On 2010-06-08 19.59, Bj=C3=B6rn Victor wrote:
> On 2010-06-02 18.00, David Meyer wrote:
>> Hi, Bjorn.
>>
>> You've got a great page on setting up ITS to run on a PDP-10 simulator=
=2E
>>
>> I wanted to set up my own ITS server, but with the repository at
>> <ftp://ftp.its.os.org> apparently defunct for several years, I can't =
>> find
>> a copy of the PI (or any other) distribution file anywhere on the
>> Internet.
>>
>> Do you know if another site has taken up the slack for its.os.org, or =
do
>> you know of anywhere I might be able to obtain these files?
>>
>> Thanks for you help.
> Hi David,
>
> To set up your own ITS system, I don't think the ftp.its.os.org files=20
> are necessary, you should be OK with the PI disk image from=20
> trailingedge, plus the LISP directory which you can get from my ITS=20
> web pages. But I'll look into this anyway and see if there is some way =
> of solving the problem.
Ouch, I didn't remember that Trailing-Edge linked to ftp.its.os.org...
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For the PI disk image, you could try constructing an URL based on my ITS =
pages and the obvious last part. Don't spread the info around until I=20
have some kind of OK to distribute... ;-)
-- Bj=C3=B6rn
On 2010-06-09 05.08, David Meyer wrote:
> Bjorn,
>
> Thanks for your reply. I guess you can see why I was a bit desperate to=
> find ITS resources.
>
> I don't have a working solution yet, but I did contact Tim Shoppa, the
> admin at Trailing-Edge, and he sent me links to the backup files for bo=
th
> the AI and MC ITS systems. They're at Trailing-Edge but in unpublished
> directories. So I am still hopeful I will be able to get something up a=
nd
> running, though I don't have a lot of time to concentrate on the projec=
t.
>
> I'm also glad to see you still have the UP ITS still running. Hope to
> catch you online there sometime.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -- David
>
> On Wed, June 9, 2010 03:10, Bj=E9=86=87rrn Victor wrote:
> =20
>> On 2010-06-08 19.59, Bj=E9=86=87rrn Victor wrote:
>> =20
>>> On 2010-06-02 18.00, David Meyer wrote:
>>> =20
>>>> Hi, Bjorn.
>>>>
>>>> You've got a great page on setting up ITS to run on a PDP-10 simulat=
or.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to set up my own ITS server, but with the repository at
>>>> <ftp://ftp.its.os.org> apparently defunct for several years, I can=
't
>>>> find
>>>> a copy of the PI (or any other) distribution file anywhere on the
>>>> Internet.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if another site has taken up the slack for its.os.org, o=
r
>>>> do
>>>> you know of anywhere I might be able to obtain these files?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for you help.
>>>> =20
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> To set up your own ITS system, I don't think the ftp.its.os.org files=
>>> are necessary, you should be OK with the PI disk image from
>>> trailingedge, plus the LISP directory which you can get from my ITS
>>> web pages. But I'll look into this anyway and see if there is some wa=
y
>>> of solving the problem.
>>> =20
>> Ouch, I didn't remember that Trailing-Edge linked to ftp.its.os.org...=
>>
>> -- Bj=E9=86=87rrn
>>
>>
>> =20
>
> =20
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"David Meyer" <papa@freeshell.org> wrote:
> Hi, Tim.
>
> I'm trying to track down the final backup image files made from the MIT
> ITS systems that were once hosted at www.its.os.org. Google produced a
> 3-year-old e-mail that indicated that you were hosting the files at
> Trailing-Edge, but the indicated directory:
>
> <ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/>
>
> ... is now empty.
>
> Do you still have these files at Trailing-Edge, or do you know somewhere
> else where I can obtain copies?
>
> Thanks for your help.
Hi David,
This is a little like writing an anonymous letter on personalized
stationery, but take a look at
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/ai/
and
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/mc/
Tim.
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Good morning David,
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, you wrote:
> To that end (finally this message's payload) I wanted to check out your
> system again, but I find that the web page you had set up for it,
> <http://its.svensson.org/>, is no longer on-line. Are you still operating
> the SV ITS? I understand if you've discontinued it, but if it's still
> available I'd be very grateful for the chance to tread those hallowed
> bit-ways once again.
Thak you for noticing.
SV ITS is running, but somewhat neglected, due to lack of time on my part.
I don't always notice immegiately when something is broken,
but have to rely on others to report any problems.
This time, the website access log had filled up the .www. directory.
I've cleaned it up, and you shoule be able to access the site now.
/Paul
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"David Meyer" <papa@freeshell.org> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I'm glad to see all the files are indeed available
> on Trailing-Edge after all.
>
> I am going to try to set up an ITS server on SDF Public Access Unix's
> <http://sdf.org> new VPS system. They were offering free slices for a
> trial period and I couldn't resist. If the trial goes well and the VPS
> service isn't too expensive I'd like to run the ITS as a playground for
> the SDF community. There are a lot of retro-computing nuts there.
>
> Thanks for making these resources available.
Good luck! I know very little about ITS but appreciate those who do!
Tim.
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Hi, Bjorn.
You've got a great page on setting up ITS to run on a PDP-10 simulator.
I wanted to set up my own ITS server, but with the repository at
<ftp://ftp.its.os.org> apparently defunct for several years, I can't find
a copy of the PI (or any other) distribution file anywhere on the
Internet.
Do you know if another site has taken up the slack for its.os.org, or do
you know of anywhere I might be able to obtain these files?
Thanks for you help.
Sincerely yours,
David Meyer
--
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Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Paul,
That's very good news that SV and its web server are still alive and well.
I just happily restored Wikipedia's link to its.svensson.org that I sadly
removed yesterday.
I will try to connect to SV tonight from home (company firewall prevents
me now) and try to be a more frequent visitor in the future. Besides the
ITS system, you've made a lot of resources available on the web that will
be invaluable in my efforts to set up my own ITS.
Many thanks.
-- David
--
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Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Tim,
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad to see all the files are indeed available
on Trailing-Edge after all.
I am going to try to set up an ITS server on SDF Public Access Unix's
<http://sdf.org> new VPS system. They were offering free slices for a
trial period and I couldn't resist. If the trial goes well and the VPS
service isn't too expensive I'd like to run the ITS as a playground for
the SDF community. There are a lot of retro-computing nuts there.
Thanks for making these resources available.
-- David
On Thu, June 3, 2010 07:50, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> "David Meyer" <papa@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Hi, Tim.
>>
>> I'm trying to track down the final backup image files made from the MIT
>> ITS systems that were once hosted at www.its.os.org. Google produced a
>> 3-year-old e-mail that indicated that you were hosting the files at
>> Trailing-Edge, but the indicated directory:
>>
>> <ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/>
>>
>> ... is now empty.
>>
>> Do you still have these files at Trailing-Edge, or do you know somewhere
>> else where I can obtain copies?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>
> Hi David,
>
> This is a little like writing an anonymous letter on personalized
> stationery, but take a look at
>
> ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/ai/
>
> and
>
> ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/mc/
>
> Tim.
>
--
David Meyer
Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:08:59 +0900
Subject: Re: Public ITS distribution tape files
From: "David Meyer" <papa@freeshell.org>
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Bjorn,
Thanks for your reply. I guess you can see why I was a bit desperate to
find ITS resources.
I don't have a working solution yet, but I did contact Tim Shoppa, the
admin at Trailing-Edge, and he sent me links to the backup files for both
the AI and MC ITS systems. They're at Trailing-Edge but in unpublished
directories. So I am still hopeful I will be able to get something up and
running, though I don't have a lot of time to concentrate on the project.
I'm also glad to see you still have the UP ITS still running. Hope to
catch you online there sometime.
Thanks for your help.
-- David
On Wed, June 9, 2010 03:10, Bj$B=f(Brrn Victor wrote:
> On 2010-06-08 19.59, Bj$B=f(Brrn Victor wrote:
>> On 2010-06-02 18.00, David Meyer wrote:
>>> Hi, Bjorn.
>>>
>>> You've got a great page on setting up ITS to run on a PDP-10 simulator.
>>>
>>> I wanted to set up my own ITS server, but with the repository at
>>> <ftp://ftp.its.os.org> apparently defunct for several years, I can't
>>> find
>>> a copy of the PI (or any other) distribution file anywhere on the
>>> Internet.
>>>
>>> Do you know if another site has taken up the slack for its.os.org, or
>>> do
>>> you know of anywhere I might be able to obtain these files?
>>>
>>> Thanks for you help.
>> Hi David,
>>
>> To set up your own ITS system, I don't think the ftp.its.os.org files
>> are necessary, you should be OK with the PI disk image from
>> trailingedge, plus the LISP directory which you can get from my ITS
>> web pages. But I'll look into this anyway and see if there is some way
>> of solving the problem.
> Ouch, I didn't remember that Trailing-Edge linked to ftp.its.os.org...
>
> -- Bj$B=f(Brrn
>
>
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David Meyer
Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:42:03 +0900
Subject: Re: Public ITS distribution tape files
From: "David Meyer" <papa@freeshell.org>
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Understood. I am working on an experimental basis now, but will make sure
everythings on the up-and-up before I make anything I get working public.
However, it will sure be a shame if ITS gets buried due to quibbling over
20-or-more-year-old files.
What exactly IS PI? Is it the files from AI or another ITS with the
personal folders and such stripped out? Does it have all the applications
and documentation of the original ITS?
-- David
On Wed, June 9, 2010 15:21, Bj$B=f(Brrn Victor wrote:
> For the PI disk image, you could try constructing an URL based on my ITS
> pages and the obvious last part. Don't spread the info around until I
> have some kind of OK to distribute... ;-)
>
> -- Bj$B=f(Brrn
>
--
David Meyer
Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Hi, Paul.
Several years ago I visited a few times an ITS server you had running on a
PDP-10 simulator and open to the public. I am a retro-computing fan, and
connecting to your ITS system was a blast, like touring one of the Great
Pyramids.
Unfortunately, other concerns, like keeping my family fed, forced me to
cut short my exploration. I apologize for not being a more loyal patron.
However, things are always turning around, and I find myself once again
interested in the ITS operating system. I am planning on setting up a
PDP-10 simulator and running a public (or at least open to group of fellow
retro-computing enthusiasts) ITS of my own.
To that end (finally this message's payload) I wanted to check out your
system again, but I find that the web page you had set up for it,
<http://its.svensson.org/>, is no longer on-line. Are you still operating
the SV ITS? I understand if you've discontinued it, but if it's still
available I'd be very grateful for the chance to tread those hallowed
bit-ways once again.
I hope all is well with you and your family.
Sincerely yours,
David Meyer
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Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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Hi, Tim.
I'm trying to track down the final backup image files made from the MIT
ITS systems that were once hosted at www.its.os.org. Google produced a
3-year-old e-mail that indicated that you were hosting the files at
Trailing-Edge, but the indicated directory:
<ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/ftp.its.os.org/>
... is now empty.
Do you still have these files at Trailing-Edge, or do you know somewhere
else where I can obtain copies?
Thanks for your help.
Sincerely yours,
David Meyer
--
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Takarazuka, Japan
papa@freeshell.org
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> Understood. I am working on an experimental basis now, but will make su=
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I agree very much!
> What exactly IS PI? Is it the files from AI or another ITS with the
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> and documentation of the original ITS?
> =20
I'm not sure, really. If you read run/ksits/README there is mention of=20
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