I think in terms of systems, Brock. Every system provides constraints. I can't split my atoms off and rejoin them on Mars at will. This doesn't not take away my free will. I'm given two choices. I decide to decide between them. That's not taking away my free will. I'm given two choices. I decide to do something else. That's not proof of my free will but it might as well be. From a pragmatic standpoint, it's free will. == You choose to believe in determinism via the conduits provided to you by others, you can do so. But were I a judge and you committed a crime, I would treat your criminal act as free will unless proven otherwise and it would have to be one heck of a proof. == when someone who is a determinist gets upset, say "Deterministically, my timing was determined. Not my fault."