Thanks. I find numerosity to be fascinating in humans. We seem to immediately perceive numbers up to 1-2-3 sometimes 4, but everything beyond that is handled by our semantic systems. I know but still, they REALLY love those gumdrops. They knew they were making a mistake pointing to the gumdrops because the other chimp was gonna get it, but they couldn't help it. But abstracting with poker chips made it easier. Unless they were gamblers. Then they'd point to the bigger pile even for the others. "CHIPS... CHIPS... I... WANT... CHIPS..." and the finger would automatically point, even knowing it was going to go to someone else tongue emoticon