Where *did* you get your education? I was going by established history. But, if you're going by archeology-only then you can make the argument for 1st century / dead sea scrolls, with everything before that being fictional. I'm ok with that. I was just running with Terry's "Bronze Age" thing, which I thought was silly. Also, you should distrust me anyhow because I'm not agreeing automatically. You don't necessarily know WHY but distrusting people who disagree is usually wise tongue emoticon I like how members of a religious faction stick together to advise each other against the enemies of their religion. As an unaffiliated agnostic, this cracks me up. We have access to the same Google, but I looked it up as you requested. I was wrong. I had forgotten that Psalm 137 specifically was about a pissed off Jewish people and it's dating is very specific. It's not one of the ancient ones at all. Once it ceased to be "current events", Babylon became Rome, or the early Church Fathers (the monks and stuff) of the 3rd-6th centuries interpreted it in a mystical way, which is the interpretation I was thinking of. I don't know about jewish mysticism but I suspect they did much the same. aw, y'all are no fun. I can get New Atheist and Fundie Christian alike pissed off at me using the same sentences. I never see any Fundie Christians on the Internet anymore; I think they left the Internet to stockpile weapons or something. Plenty of Fundie atheists tho'. Thanks Dawkins... he should've stuck to being a Biologist instead of a weird old guy activist.