Indeed tongue emoticon I purposely live in a Windows world because I have a need to stay close to the people I serve.. which is.. pretty much *any* regular person who uses a computer around me and goes, "OMG KEN SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING!" So, don't get the luxury to allow myself to express my inner nerd-dom by going Linux. I like staying close to common ppls problems by actually _having_ those same problems myself tongue emoticon I wanted to learn APL - I found a free thing I downloaded and spent a few hours tinkering with it. I love the special symbols - fascinating stuff with the history and all. Lets see - past week it was Erlang and _somewhere_ along the line, I tripped over Drakon. Before that, I dabbled with FORTH... I guess I'm going through all of the "unspoken heroes" of computing, trying to get a grasp on how they think. As for me, I use whatever tools are available. I don't care how I get something done, as long as I can. My "go to" tool is Microsoft Excel; there's not much structured anything you can't fit somehow into a spreadsheet for some quick monkeying around. I mean, I _could_ write a program in some language or have some kind of database, but everything I do is quick-and-dirty and usually involves forcing all kinds of programs to cooperate with each other in some way to achieve whatever result I want. [I spent most of my time in the command line... which is frustrating in *its* limitations as I remember VAX/VMS, which had a beautiful shell] Never liked unix/linux shells generally. I know them, I can work with them - they're powerful but.. they're all lowercase. Gets annoying after a while. I LIKE UPPERCASE. tongue emoticon