We're in the land of "nature of Trinity" theological stuff, even
   though we're talking in philosophical terms and not about
   theology. It's brain-buster stuff.

   That's what I mean about the language being a pain in the ass
   when it comes to describing stuff like this. The greeks didn't
   have the right words for it then, we don't have the right words
   for it now. Same linguistic foundations inheriting the same
   descriptive problems.