Everything is a nail, and standard mathematics and algorithms -
   as marvelous as they are of course - are the hammers.

   It's not that we need a screwdriver either. Some things just
   "are" whether or not we have the proper stories to go along with
   them or not. Still,a lot of money and technology is poured into
   the efort and there are a lot of good things that come of it...
   so the pragmatist in me doesn't mind their continued effort...
   but the idealist in me wishes they weren't giving people the
   wrong impression about the world and themselves. You're on a
   noble quest Ian, and I applaud your continued efforts. They're
   not in vain. I had to read up on it, as I was only slightly
   familiar with it.

   I think they're having fun at it and wish them the best of luck.
   I think a lot of interesting things may come of it as they
   continue on. I think it'll _probably_ self-destruct in
   organization, as most movements based on enthusiasm do... but if
   they gain a quasi-religious dedication, it can last a few
   generations at least. *and* if they manage to change the world
   while I'm not looking... well, I'll happily adjust. I never
   cared what political/financial system I'm in, as long as there
   are no guns to my face and despite media impressions, most of
   the places that most of the people live in the world, even in
   war areas, people just go to work, raise their kids, have
   relationships, watch movies, and do regular things.

   People like normalcy. Normalcy is boring and doesn't make news,
   so we never get to hear about it.

   But ultimately, do I think anything much will come of it? Well,
   the hippies helped re-ignite the interest in theoretical
   physics... so that's interesting. Movements *can* have
   unexpected lasting effects, even if it's not in the areas they
   anticipate.

   But I don't think they'll get the changes they seek, but I
   expect LOTS of books on the subject to be written now and in the
   future 'cause in the end, people need to make money, even to
   support alternate currencies tongue emoticon