Here's an example of a fantastic system: McDonalds. Where else can whole restaurants be run by teenagers successfully? Govt, McDonalds, Corporations in general, PLUS the very fact of the "upwards filtration process". The people at the top are KEPT FROM KNOWLEDGE from those below... as holding back information is a part of job security. I'd like to believe there's a select few that "know what's really going on".. but.... *sigh* I can't. I'm a sytems thinker, but belief in a system by its participants keeps the system together, rather than competence.