Well, that's one possibility smile emoticon I tend towards a systemic view which incorporates 'us' into it, as a map needs a reader and a city needs a navigator and, well, there be humans here using the maps and navigating the territories. I believe we have biological limitations, but I think it's possible to know as much as is... well.. "humanly possible" by recognizing ourselves as a critical part of ANY simplifications of the descriptions of reality. As long as we believe we are somehow "outside of it", we'll always hit a brick wall that's... well.. not really there. The good part is, we have a long way to go. Plenty of time to pretend we can view reality objectively. We've barely gotten into the areas where unique, unclassifiable subjectivity makes a difference to the systems we use. We will eventually, I believe, hit that wall, but I'll be long dead. [and I don't just mean human subjectivity, but the subjectivity of all things from their own perspectives]. Anyway - let me know what you think of the book - and thanks again for letting me get my thoughts out grin emoticon