What I like about you guys is your honesty: "I believe" rather than "It is self-evident." Huge difference in my book. There's a multiplicity of different systems; I consider myself agnostic to them all although I'm starting to figure out, through these long-winded things I'm writing, what _tendancies_ I seem to have. Until that last post, I didn't realize I thought in terms of history/socio-cultural/biological then theoretical/abstract/reasoning/ideas ! I do my best thinking in writing, but not writing to myself; but rather writing to imaginary competition and going through it all. You guys aren't competition; but I wrote as if such as part of my ongoing discovery process. Gary - I especially want to thank you for your patience in my long-windedness. Finding minds that are smarter than I and then saying, "but what if, what if, what if" - is _really_ helpful in bringing me forward in helping me understand my own viewpoint of things.