But here's the question: What happens when the free grouping of individuals turns into shackles? And could the free grouping of individuals INCLUDE already established groupings of people, such as religion and government? The only distinction I can find is the newness of the grouping. Because a group, after it's been around for long enough, becomes established and it becomes the Enemy of new anarchistic groups that might wish to be formed: which is the flaw of anarchism - because anarchism is trying to bring GROUPS into anarchy - when anarchy itself does not have groupings of people - but rather anarchy is all about the individual. You got it! And with anarchism * one of the strongest points * is you have the right to be wrong. You can even turn a wrong idea into the right idea in the minds of other people with Anarchism. (Anarchy on the other hand is individuals) But that's my trouble with it: The anarchism of right now * becomes "the establishment" of tomorrow. And the "hey we are victims "becomes "Look! They are the controllers and must be stopped" * But in the end * I am agreeing completely with what she is saying. I happen to understand it completely as well. Anarchism like democracy and communism And religion and atheism * Are rarely truly followed. In the end * anarchism simply describes the way things always were, are and always will be * because people are not robots * and never were. all 7 billion people in the world follow anarchism. It is nothing special. But all 7 billion people in the world believe they are special - Even when they complain that they are not special. Even when they pretend to completely follow somebody else. Although that's more inner anarchy than anarchism. They don't. Because your mind Belongs to you, except in abusive families and other groups Where there is a charismatic leader who demands obedience Or you must incur their wrath. The groups with charismatic leadership * those are the things anarchism is trying to destroy. Politics, religion etc. Eh but I'm rambling. "Don't let anybody tell you who to listen to" is anarchism. And * the moment you listen to somebody who tells you not to listen to anybody * You become a follower - And not a free thinker.And I understand what you're saying Kimi * the group of freethinkers melting together is good for the group of freethinkers. But the group of freethinkers can easily become the oppressors and the religions and politics * All systems started off as a group of freethinkers melting together. You become politics. You become a religion * the moment you have closed walls to your group Where one must conform to the group thinking or be removed. True anarchism is extremely rare