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Hello,
I'm looking for a copy of the SUDS distribution, in any form, for any OS
(I know it'll take half my life to get it running so I'm not concerned with
having to port it too). I seem to keep "just missing" it... It seems to
have mostly migrated to tape before the ITS snapshots were taken, and no
amount of assurance that they'll never hear from me again will convince
Mr. Helliwell et al at XKL to loosen their grip on their proprietary version
(they are understandably uninterested in providing support).
In case SUDS doesn't mean anything to you: Stanford University Drawing System
If anyone has a copy please drop me a line. Look at the bright side, the
next time someone nags you for a copy, you can pass them off on me!
Thanks, John Wilson <wilson@tats.wizvax.com> <wilsonj@rpi.edu>
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From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM>
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Subject: RIP JMF (fwd)
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A sad day, indeed.
Sayonara, JMF.
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Subject: RIP JMF
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Jim Flemming (a.k.a. JMF for TOPS10 listing readers) died 22 February 1995 from
a second bout with throat cancer.
He did not want a memorial service because he considered them "to be pagan
rituals". He has also requested that any monies that would have been spent on
cards, flowers, etc. be sent as a donation to:
Boston Cured Cancer Club for Laryngectomees
c/o Eve Herbert, Co-ordinator
Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary
243 Charles Street
Boston MA 02114
(Make the check payable to: Boston Cured Cancer Club.)
This group is a charter member of the I.A.L. and affiliated with the American
Cancer Society. These people helped Jim a lot after he had his throat
operation in 1987.
Jim did not want anyone to know how ill he was because he wanted to be treated
as if it were just another day. He was not able to say his goodbyes; I don't
think he knew how.
For my part, I think I will seek out a big blue machine (preferably 1026) and
remember. JMF and TW are together again. I miss them. TOPS10 is their legacy
and I hope it will live on for a long time.
BA Huizenga (den mother - retired now)
1-Apr-1995 16:14:43 -0800,911;000000000020
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Subject: A new 36-bit machine enters service
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Toed.XKL.COM enters service today. It is an XKL TD-1 with 32MW of memory,
4GB of disk, a DDS-2 DAT tape, and ethernet.
We are preparing to use the machine for a network-based beta test. It will
wander back-and-forth across our network firewall for a while, then settle
down visible on the net full time.
Len Bosack
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Congrats Len!
I got to see three of the machines working a month ago when I
visited Redmond, so this is no small surprise (as I've been
expecting it), but it is still an occasion to celebrate! IT's
done. Congratulations!!!!!!
-Carl
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Subject: 30th Anniversary Celebration of 36-Bit Systems
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Folks,
We are planning to hold the official (6-months delayed) 30th Anniversary
Celebration of 36-bit systems at the Spring DECUS Symposium in
Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, May 10, 1995.
The program will begin at 6:00PM with a 90-minute session entitled
"36-Bit System Magic, War Stories and Memorabilia". One of the items on
hand will be a videotape of the 36-Bit Pioneer's Roundtable, held at the
20th Anniversary Celebration in 1984. There will be prizes for those
who come with the best war stories and items of memorabilia. We also
plan to have an all-new 30th Anniversary Sailboat embroidered patch
available.
Following the session, we will adjourn to dinner at a nearby restaurant
(e.g. in Chinatown). The location has yet to be finalized. Suggestions
are welcome, as are any other ideas for making this a memorable occasion.
Hope to see you there!
Clive Dawson
Austin, TX
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I am putting together a Web page on PDP-10 documents. Does anyone know of
any other pointers to JARGON.TXT? Here's what I've got so far:
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>PDP-10 in JARGON.TXT</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>
<I>PDP-10 references in JARGON.TXT</I><hr>
<P>
Excerpts from the FTP-able "Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond.
The full text can be found at:
<ul>
<li>ASCII version of <A HREF="http://wiretap.spies.com/ftp.items/Library/Class!
JARGON FILE", version 2.9.10, 16 Jul 1992</A>, 1.1 megabytes.
<li>HTML version in <A HREF="http://www.denken.or.jp/local/misc/JARGON/TOP.htm!
<li>HTML version in <A HREF="http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/">Canada</A>
appears to missing several k-bytes from the beginning of each file.
</ul>
<H3>Contents:</H3>
<ul>
<li><A HREF="#song">A little song</A>
<li><A HREF="#AOS">AOS</A> (Add One and Skip)
<li><A HREF="#BLT">BLT</A> (BLock Transfer)
<li><A HREF="#DDT">DDT</A> (Dynamic Debugging Technique)
<li><A HREF="#DPB">DPB</A> (DePosit Byte)
<li><A HREF="#EXCH">EXCH</A> (EXCHange)
<li><A HREF="#HAKMEM">HAKMEM</A> (Hackers Memos)
<li><A HREF="#ITS">ITS</A> (Incompatible Timesharing System)
<li><A HREF="#PDP-10">PDP-10</A> (DECsystem-10)
<li><A HREF="#PDP-20">PDP-20</A> (DECSYSTEM-20)
<li><A HREF="#TOPS-10">TOPS-10</A> (Operating System)
<li><A HREF="#TOPS-20">TOPS-20</A> (Operating System)
<li><A HREF="#TWENEX">TWENEX</A> (Operating System)
</ul>
</body></html>
The URL for my page is http://www.best.com/~inwap/PDP10.html
-Joe
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I am putting together a Web page on PDP-10 documents. Does anyone know of
any other pointers to JARGON.TXT? Here's what I've got so far:
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>PDP-10 in JARGON.TXT</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>
<I>PDP-10 references in JARGON.TXT</I><hr>
<P>
Excerpts from the FTP-able "Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond.
The full text can be found at:
<ul>
<li>ASCII version of <A HREF="http://wiretap.spies.com/ftp.items/Library/Class!
JARGON FILE", version 2.9.10, 16 Jul 1992</A>, 1.1 megabytes.
<li>HTML version in <A HREF="http://www.denken.or.jp/local/misc/JARGON/TOP.htm!
<li>HTML version in <A HREF="http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/">Canada</A>
appears to missing several k-bytes from the beginning of each file.
</ul>
<H3>Contents:</H3>
<ul>
<li><A HREF="#song">A little song</A>
<li><A HREF="#AOS">AOS</A> (Add One and Skip)
<li><A HREF="#BLT">BLT</A> (BLock Transfer)
<li><A HREF="#DDT">DDT</A> (Dynamic Debugging Technique)
<li><A HREF="#DPB">DPB</A> (DePosit Byte)
<li><A HREF="#EXCH">EXCH</A> (EXCHange)
<li><A HREF="#HAKMEM">HAKMEM</A> (Hackers Memos)
<li><A HREF="#ITS">ITS</A> (Incompatible Timesharing System)
<li><A HREF="#PDP-10">PDP-10</A> (DECsystem-10)
<li><A HREF="#PDP-20">PDP-20</A> (DECSYSTEM-20)
<li><A HREF="#TOPS-10">TOPS-10</A> (Operating System)
<li><A HREF="#TOPS-20">TOPS-20</A> (Operating System)
<li><A HREF="#TWENEX">TWENEX</A> (Operating System)
</ul>
</body></html>
The URL for my page is http://www.best.com/~inwap/PDP10.html
-Joe
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From: Joe Smith <jms@best.com>
Does anyone know of any other pointers to JARGON.TXT?
JARGON.TXT, or Eric Raymond's farcical attempts at "improving" it?
The original is still available at AI:HUMOR;JARGON 68 .
Excerpts from the FTP-able "Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond.
Eric Raymond is the enemy of PDP-10 culture. Any reading of his
"TNHD" will easily prove this. All he does is bash it in order to
support his Unix Fetish. For example, read his definition of ITS.
His only interest in real computers is to laugh at them (go visit his
Retrocomputing home page; sure, it contains a lot of pointers to
various pieces of computer history, but only for the purpose of saying
basically "oh look, look at what those fools had way back then! Unix
is SOO much better now.")
"TNHD" isn't even _accurate_, for chrissakes. You can flip through it
and find glaring errors on almost _every page_.
"TNHD" is a decent guide to computer history and folklore about as
much as Unix is a decent operating system: not at all.
9-May-1995 07:25:18 -0700,748;000000000020
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Subject: Re: Where else is JARGON.TXT online?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 09 May 95 03:48:59 -0700
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I am putting together a Web page on PDP-10 documents. Does anyone know of
any other pointers to JARGON.TXT? Here's what I've got so far:
Inspired by Joe Smith's web page, I've just put a new page on
TOPS-20 Yale Tools Off program. The URL is
http://www.ntt.jp/people/okuno/off.html
Enjoy,
- Gitchang -
Hiroshi "Gitchang" Okuno
NTT Basic Research Laboratories
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Hello again. We've chatted in the past about my interest in acquiring working
DEC 20's for my museum. I now have more than I need. Do you of someone who
would be interested in buying a working 2020?
The museum is scheduled to open April 20, 1996. Already have more tonage of
mainframes than I imaged and many more acquisitions in the works. Try my web
page: http://www.sentex.net/~ccmuseum
Thank you. Yours in good faith.
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To: Hiroshi "Gitchang" Okuno <okuno@nuesun.brl.ntt.jp>
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At 02:12 PM 5/10/95 JST, Hiroshi "Gitchang" Okuno wrote:
>Inspired by Joe Smith's web page, I've just put a new page on
>TOPS-20 Yale Tools Off program.
Well this was a blast from the past! (I'm one of the Yale Tools creators.)
I couldn't even remember what the Off program was. So I took a look at your
page and it all came back to me. I remember writing some of the items.
-- Nat
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Thanks for the pointers to the JARGON file, and apologies to anyone who
tried to reply to the bogus address of "jms@best.com".
Here is what I currently have in http://www.best.com/~inwap/PDP10.html
The original JARGON.TXT file was maintained in three locations back in the
days of the ARPANET. It was AIWORD.RF[UP,DOC] at SAIL (Stanford A.I. Lab)
and GLS;JARGON at MIT-MC and MIT-AI. A snapshot of that file taken
14-Nov-1982 is still online at
ftp://mc.lcs.mit.edu/its/ai/humor/jargon.68.Z
(it is 43K, uncompresses to 87K).
After Eric Raymond published "The Hacker's Dictionary", the JARGON file
grew to 1.1 megabytes but the file hasn't been the same; it has lost a
lost of its hacker nature.
http://wiretap.spies.com/ftp.items/Library/Classic/jargon.txt
has "version 2.9.10 - 16 Jul 1992" in ASCII format.
http://fount.journalism.wisc.edu/jargon/Jargon.html
has "version 3.0.0 - 27 Jul 1993" in HTML format.
-Joe
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From: Clive Dawson <clive@mcc.com>
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Hi folks,
Here's a report on the 30th Anniversary celebration for 36 Bits, which
was held May 10, 1995, at the Washington, DC DECUS Symposium. We
began with the 36-Bit Magic session, chaired by me and Rich Alderson.
We had a pretty good turn out (all things considered...!) of about 40
people. All constituencies were represented, including customers,
Digital developers and marketing folks. Even DEC execs were
represented by none other than Rosanne Giordano, who many of you will
recall was at the helm of the LCG sailboat when the infamous
announcement was made in St. Louis in 1983. (We considered having a
couple of armed guards escort Rosanne into the room, just to make her
feel at home! ;-)
A show of hands revealed that we had folks who had used every type of
36-bit system ever produced, going back to the PDP-6. Winner of the
oldest old-timer award was probably Bruce Corbin, who worked for
Digital in the early 60's and was one of the original engineers on the
PDP-6 team.
Our guest speaker was Len Bosack, who worked with 36-bit systems at
Digital from 1973-79, and then at the Stanford Computer Science Lab
from 1979-84. He was the founder of Cisco in 1984, which he left in
1991 to found XKL Corp., producer of the latest generation of 36-bit
systems, namely the TD-1. Len gave a fascinating talk which provided
some interesting insight about the road he has traveled and his
decision to form XKL.
The floor was then opened to anybody who had war stories to tell, both
new and old. We observed the passing of Jim Flemming, Tony Wachs, and
Peter Conklin by showing excerpts from the 36-Bit Pioneer's Roundtable
session, held at our 20th Anniversary Celebration in 1984, which Jim and
Tony had participated in.
The balance of the session was devoted to the awarding of a couple of
dozen door prizes, including some 25th Anniversary VAX-Buster T-shirts,
several original LCG mugs, and a couple of 20th Anniversary editions of
the Large Systems Newsletter. All attendees were also provided with a
special edition of the famous sailboat patch, produced especially for
the 30th Anniversary.
Following the session, several of us adjourned for dinner in nearby
Chinatown. A sudden downpour upon exiting the restaurant caused us
all to dash away for cover, vowing that we would meet again for the
36th(!) Anniversary in the year 2000.
I am sorry to report that for some unexplained reason, DECUS did not
record the 36-Bit Anniversary session, and therefore there is no audio
tape available. I also regret that we didn't pass around a sign-up
sheet to record who was there for posterity. Perhaps those of you who
attended could send me lists of those you remember, and I will
consolidate them.
I do, however, have a supply of the special sailboat patches available.
The patches are rectangular, about 1.5" x 2.5". The sailboat is
colored blue and orange (naturally!), on a light blue background with
dark blue lettering which says "30 YEARS 36 BITS". If you would like
one, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to:
Clive Dawson
1409 Quaker Ridge Dr.
Austin, TX 78746
(A donation of, say, $2 per patch would be much appreciated, but is not
required unless you want more than one.)
Regards to all,
Clive Dawson
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Hi Mark. As you know I now own several 2020's. They're KL-10R's with a single
RP06 and a complete TOPS-20 on a single disk pack. What I don't have is
documentation of any kind. Please tell me of any sources for service, TOPS-20
and general operation documentation. Thank you.
Also, can you please help me confirm the story of being able to convert these
3-phase monsters to operate on 220VAC?
The museum has come a long way. It's on thw www
(http:www.sentex.net/~ccmuseum)
and we have a logo (you'll see it on the www).
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As you've probably guessed, I don't subscribe to the mailing list. I found
y'all via a World Wide Web page. It's been over 10 years since I messed with
the DEC-10, but I still have fond memories, and kept some of my better
creations
around.
I was wondering if there was a place to send some of my stuff to be preserved
for all eternity. In particular, I wrote a cross-disassembler: It took
MACY-11
executables, and turned them back into PDP-11 source. The code was written in
MACRO-10 (or whatever it was called. Memory fails me.)
Anyone want it, or know where I can send it?
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On Friday, June 23, just after noon Pacific Daylight Time, 36 bit computing at
the University of Washington came to an end. locke10.hs.washington.edu, a
2020 running TOPS-10, was shut down for the final time.
She didn't want to die. The POWER button was hit, but she refused to power
off! Finally, the circuit breaker on her PDU was popped.
She seems almost certainly destined for a good home; at least two individuals
are bidding to buy it from surplus.
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> On Friday, June 23, just after noon Pacific Daylight Time, 36 bit computing at
> the University of Washington came to an end. locke10.hs.washington.edu, a
> 2020 running TOPS-10, was shut down for the final time.
>
> She didn't want to die. The POWER button was hit, but she refused to power
> off! Finally, the circuit breaker on her PDU was popped.
>
> She seems almost certainly destined for a good home; at least two individuals
> are bidding to buy it from surplus.
>
>
Mark,
does this mean you have taken delivery of an XKL machine?
bob
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Hi,
I work for FTP software. I have tried without alot of success to find a TOPS-20 host
on the internet that I could use for testing TOPS-20 access by our FTP client. For
starters an FTP anonymous site would be great. If anyone knows of such a host, or
knows someone that might know, please reply to or forward this message.
Please note, with all due respect for XKL Systems, I want to test against a fairly
standard TOPS-20 host, not a modified version as is being developed by XKL.
Also I would like to know - Is the TOPS-20 FTP server possibly in the public
domain?
Thanks very much,
Craig Buffinton
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Hi TOPS-20 fans,
I appreciate the response to my request for access to a TOPS-20 host.
It appears that XKL Systems and bootstrap.org are my only current
alternatives. bootstrap.org is reluctant to provide access for security =
reasons.
To date I have been able to test only with the XKL TOPS-20 host,
TOED.XKL.COM.
I would like to briefly explain the details of the problem that I'm worki=
ng on, in
hopes that maybe some light could be shed on this.
The problem is the XKL TOPS-20 FTP server's response to the DIR (LIST)
command is essentially the same as its response to the LS (NLST) command.
FTP Software's Window's FTP client depends on the response to the DIR =
command to get various attributes of the files. According to comments =
in our
code and a brief reading of the code itself, the expected DIR response =
from a
TOPS-20 system should look like:
1752(07) 3-Nov-90 14:49:55 00-README.TXT.2
1598(07) 19-Apr-92 21:35:21 ACCOUNTS.INFO.6
10823(07) 24-Oct-87 17:05:57 BINTNXVMS.C.1
567(07) 8-Jun-91 00:44:38 SIMTEL20-MISC.DIRLIST.12
2760(07) 2-Apr-92 20:28:09 SIMTEL20-MSDOS.DIRLIST.69
does this make sense/look familiar to you? I have been seeking a host
running a vanilla TOPS-20 to verify that our expected output is correct. =
A
sample DOS FTP session with the XKL TOPS-20 FTP server showing its
response to the LS (NLST) command and the DIR (LIST) command follows :
---- Start of FTP session - actual userid replaced with *** ----
Copyright (c) 1986-1995 by FTP Software, Inc. All rights reserved.
FTP Trying...Open
220 TOED.XKL.COM FTP Server Process 5Z(47)-6 at Thu 14-Sep-95
07:48-PDT
Userid for logging in on toed.xkl.com?***
331 User name ok. Password, please.
Password for logging in as *** on toed.xkl.com?
230 User *** logged in at Thu 14-Sep-95 07:48-PDT, job 10.
ftp:toed.xkl.com> ls
1005.TXT.1
16L8.TXT.1
16R4.TXT.1
MODEM.INI.1
SUB.DIRECTORY.1
Transferred 66 bytes in 2 seconds (264 bits/sec, 33 bytes/sec)
226 Transfer completed.
ftp:toed.xkl.com> dir
TOED:<JJK>
1005.TXT.1
16L8.TXT.1
16R4.TXT.1
MODEM.INI.1
SUB.DIRECTORY.1
Transferred 78 bytes in 2 seconds (312 bits/sec, 39 bytes/sec)
226 Transfer completed.
ftp:toed.xkl.com>
---- End of FTP session ----
I have verified with a network trace that our DOS FTP client has not alte=
red the
XKL FTP server's response. Is there possibly a configuration problem that
prevents XKL FTP server from providing a more complete response to DIR?
Note also in the FTP session above, SUB.DIRECTORY.1 is a directory. Is =
it
a convention that last token preceeding the generation number is
"DIRECTORY". Can I always recognize a directory name by looking for the =
token DIRECTORY preceeding the generation number? Is there another
(perhaps better) way to distinguish the name of a directory from the name=
of a
file?
If anyone could trap the response to the DIR command from a vanilla
TOPS-20 FTP server (especially one that shows both files and directories)=
and mail it to me, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Craig Buffinton
craigb@ftp.com
508-659-6653
PS: If Dan Murphy is out there, I enjoyed reading selected sections of =
the
"Origins and Development of TOPS-20".
14-Sep-1995 11:43:15 -0700,2855;000000000020
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I was scratching my head on this for a while, but I eventually remembered.
The LIST command only shows the detailed information for non-wildcard
arguments. In other words, LIST will not show the detailed information (since
the default argument is *.*), but LIST MM.INIT will. Here's sample output:
<MRC>MM.INIT.2;P775200;A,1,18-Jun-95 12:49:01,18-Jun-95 12:49:01,28-Aug-95
18:11:29
This is a fairly standard output string from the JFNS% system call. The
fields are:
<MRC>MM.INIT.2 <directory> file_name . extension . version
P775200 file protection (same as Unix rwxr-x--)
A account name (blank in this example)
1 size in pages (1 page = 512 36-bit words)
18-Jun-95 12:49:01 creation date
18-Jun-95 12:49:01 write date
28-Aug-95 18:11:29 read date
I don't know of any TOPS-20 server that ever output in the form that you gave.
To get the size in bytes and byte size for a file you have to do the GTFDB%
system call (the equivalent to stat() on Unix, but with much more information)
and build the string by hand. Normally, a client would only get that
information if it get a paged mode transfer.
All directories were files in the superior directory with the extension of
DIRECTORY and version number (also called "generation number") of 1. However,
not all files with such names were directories. You could only find this out
by looking at the GTFDB% information. Directories did tend to have a
protection code of 020200 (generally expressed without the leading zero, e.g.
;P20200 which is a relatively unusual protection (list access only for owner
and group members). However, directories could be given other protections and
ordinary files (although it would be wierd) could be given that protection.
It was, by the way, impossible to read a directory as a file on TOPS-20. The
directory's password was stored in the directory. Instead, you did system
calls to make various queries.
14-Sep-1995 12:16:02 -0700,6552;000000000020
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From: Rich Alderson <ALDERSON@mathom.xkl.com>
Subject: Re: TOPS-20 FTP server question/problem
To: craigb@ftp.com
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ce.bi@bootstrap.org, sra@epilogue.com, dbj@MPGN.com
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While it is true that we have made changes to the Tops-20 operating system, it
would be foolish of us to make gratuitous changes to the user interface such as
changing the appearance of the output of a DIRECTORY command. Given that, I
herewith provide an unedited) listing of one of my directories on our DEC-20
(which is not available external to XKL):
[PHOTO: Recording initiated Thu 14-Sep-95 12:06PM]
!directory
MATHOM:<ALDERSON>
$EMACS..1
ALICE.EMACS.4
.FTP.1
.TECO.1
.TINPUT.1
.TXT.1
ATTACH.CMD.1
CANADA-DECUS-1996.TXT.1
CATALINA.LATEX.1
.TEX.3
.TEXT.1
CICERO.TEX.3
COMAND.CMD.10
DAD.TXT.1
DECUS.ABSTRACT.4
.TEX.7
DECUS-95-DC.TXT.1
EMACS.INIT.10
EVAL.LSP.11
FDBED.EXE.1
FILES.DIRECTORY.1
FINGER.PLAN.2
FREE-FONTS-POEM.TXT.1
FTP.INIT.38
HOOK.LISP.2
III.EL.1
.ELC.1
JRRT.TXT.1
LISP.INI.6
LOGIN.CMD.17
LOREM.TXT.1
MAIL.TXT.1
MESSAGE-TXT.CPY.1;T
MM.CMD.6
.INIT.21
MONGOL.CHANT.1
OUTBOX-ARCHIVE.TXT.1
PAGE-DIMENS.TEX.2
POM.EXE.1;E
RMACS.INIT.19
RMAIL.EL.1
.ELC.1
RMAILOUT.EL.1
.ELC.1
RMAILSUM.EL.1
.ELC.1
SYSDPY.INI.16
TAICHI.5EL.1
.LNG.1
.SRT.1
TECO.INIT.5
TRADE-SHOW.TXT.1
WWW.TXT.1
Total of 580 pages in 53 files
!vdirectory
MATHOM:<ALDERSON>
$EMACS..1;P777700 1 353(7) 11-Nov-93 10:13:33 ALDERSON
ALICE.EMACS.4;P770000 1 301(7) 16-Feb-94 10:30:18 ALDERSON
.FTP.1;P777700 6 13997(7) 22-Apr-94 17:38:44 ALDERSON
.TECO.1;P777700 1 192(7) 26-Jan-94 12:15:36 ALDERSON
.TINPUT.1;P777700 2 4938(7) 22-Feb-94 17:16:24 ALDERSON
.TXT.1;P777700 6 13654(7) 12-Jun-85 08:04:07 ALDERSON
ATTACH.CMD.1;P770000 1 36(7) 8-Jan-88 16:29:44 A.ALDERSON
CANADA-DECUS-1996.TXT.1;P770000 1 2037(7) 17-Apr-95 14:21:33 ALDERSON
CATALINA.LATEX.1;P777700 1 1004(7) 18-May-95 11:47:05 ALDERSON
.TEX.3;P777700 1 937(7) 18-May-95 11:53:18 ALDERSON
.TEXT.1;P777700 1 903(7) 18-May-95 11:43:29 ALDERSON
CICERO.TEX.3;P777700 2 4891(7) 18-May-95 11:56:48 ALDERSON
COMAND.CMD.10;P770000 1 738(7) 24-Sep-94 15:33:33 ALDERSON
DAD.TXT.1;P770000 6 14429(7) 11-Sep-95 18:49:54 ALDERSON
DECUS.ABSTRACT.4;P777700 1 2120(7) 1-Feb-94 12:06:52 ALDERSON
.TEX.7;P777700 1 2184(7) 1-Feb-94 12:37:59 ALDERSON
DECUS-95-DC.TXT.1;P777700 10 24142(7) 15-May-95 14:33:44 ALDERSON
EMACS.INIT.10;P774242 1 2460(7) 30-Nov-93 14:15:31 ALDERSON
EVAL.LSP.11;P777700 2 4020(7) 16-Nov-94 11:30:52 ALDERSON
FDBED.EXE.1;P775252 7 3416(36) 20-Jun-82 20:13:07 A.ALDERSON
FILES.DIRECTORY.1;P20200 0 0(0) 13-Nov-93 15:20:32 ALDERSON
FINGER.PLAN.2;P775252 1 77(7) 3-Nov-93 14:42:42 ALDERSON
FREE-FONTS-POEM.TXT.1;P770000 1 1337(7) 24-Aug-95 18:13:59 ALDERSON
FTP.INIT.38;P770000 1 198(7) 28-Jun-95 09:24:14 ALDERSON
HOOK.LISP.2;P770000 1 479(7) 25-Sep-90 12:18:46 A.ALDERSON
III.EL.1;P777700 2 5088(7) 11-Nov-93 10:14:19 ALDERSON
.ELC.1;P676742 2 3432(9) 11-Nov-93 10:17:37 ALDERSON
JRRT.TXT.1;P777700 220 560859(7) 11-Sep-95 18:50:57 ALDERSON
LISP.INI.6;P770000 2 2606(7) 14-Nov-94 12:58:42 ALDERSON
LOGIN.CMD.17;P770000 1 264(7) 29-Jun-95 12:44:43 ALDERSON
LOREM.TXT.1;P777700 2 5006(7) 14-Nov-94 09:13:32 ALDERSON
MAIL.TXT.1;P770404 108 275437(7) 14-Sep-95 11:56:55 SOCCI
MESSAGE-TXT.CPY.1;P770000;T 1 1404(7) 14-Sep-95 11:32:40 ALDERSON
MM.CMD.6;P770000 1 831(7) 25-Feb-91 11:37:29 A.ALDERSON
.INIT.21;P770000 1 1090(7) 16-Mar-95 15:31:55 ALDERSON
MONGOL.CHANT.1;P770000 2 3696(7) 10-Mar-94 13:42:57 ALDERSON
OUTBOX-ARCHIVE.TXT.1;P777700 107 273727(7) 14-Sep-95 11:32:40 ALDERSON
PAGE-DIMENS.TEX.2;P770000 1 2128(7) 8-Feb-94 15:01:18 ALDERSON
POM.EXE.1;P770000;E 2 1024(36) 16-Mar-78 22:36:13 A.ALDERSON
RMACS.INIT.19;P770000 3 6242(7) 31-Jul-95 15:22:58 ALDERSON
RMAIL.EL.1;P777700 21 52429(7) 11-Nov-93 10:14:22 ALDERSON
.ELC.1;P676742 15 30130(9) 11-Nov-93 10:20:54 ALDERSON
RMAILOUT.EL.1;P777700 2 4804(7) 11-Nov-93 10:14:25 ALDERSON
.ELC.1;P676742 2 2296(9) 11-Nov-93 10:21:32 ALDERSON
RMAILSUM.EL.1;P777700 7 16848(7) 11-Nov-93 10:14:27 ALDERSON
.ELC.1;P676742 6 11048(9) 11-Nov-93 10:22:39 ALDERSON
SYSDPY.INI.16;P770000 1 1128(7) 27-Feb-91 12:34:28 A.ALDERSON
TAICHI.5EL.1;P770000 1 453(7) 27-Jun-87 15:27:39 A.ALDERSON
.LNG.1;P770000 2 3452(7) 27-Jun-87 15:23:49 A.ALDERSON
.SRT.1;P770000 1 1617(7) 27-Jun-87 15:25:41 A.ALDERSON
TECO.INIT.5;P777700 1 11(7) 23-Feb-86 14:02:08 ALDERSON
TRADE-SHOW.TXT.1;P770000 7 17265(7) 12-Oct-94 13:43:49 ALDERSON
WWW.TXT.1;P770000 2 3047(7) 15-May-95 14:13:58 ALDERSON
Total of 580 pages in 53 files
!pop
[PHOTO: Recording terminated Thu 14-Sep-95 12:06PM]
So the output you seem to expect looks rather like the VERBOSE DIRECTORY output
with the filename moved to the end.
Directories on a Tops-20 system *always* have an extension of 'DIRECTORY' and a
generation number of 1. While a file name be given such a name, the Tops-20
filesystem does not distinguish directories from files by name, but by internal
attributes in the File Descriptor Block for the directory or file.
Rich Alderson
XKL Customer Support
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From: Joe Dempster <dempster@Callisto.US.Fornax.COM>
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Subject: An end of an era; another announcement...
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On September 30, 1995 our contract for KL maintenance service with
Brookhaven National Lab expired. We weren't sure this would really
happen. In past years we were always told "this is the absolute last
year, as we are now finished with the development of the custom BNL
HW and SW which will replace the KL (positive I/O Bus) / PDP-8e
Alternating Gradient Synchrotron (AGS) control system." I believe
this replacement project ran through several alternative (now
obsolete) architectures over the last 16 years. Another example of
the ease of replacing a true legacy system....
A bit of historical perspective:
1. BNL was one of the original PDP-6 sites. Theirs was installed in
a 40' tractor trailer (I saw a picture of this at the DEC photo
office on Parker Street many years ago).
2. The AGS Department over the years used KA and KL processors (until
about 3 years ago they ran a Model A KL---rumored to be serial number
2).
3. There were no romantic names for the 2 KL's at BNL. There was
System "A", KL 2773, purchased from a broker, originally of the
University of Bridgeport and System "B", KL 2901, originally TOPS "A"
(?) from CMU (donated to Fornax for removing it from their computer
room and replaced the Model A...) and for the last year and a half
also with the back plane from KL 3043 (Tartan Labs)----I never even
took off the plastic pin protection cover on that back plane to
change the serial number--lest it develop some new bug....
4. Fornax installed both of the current KL systems. Each was up and
running within 8 hours of starting the reinstall (since BNL is over
125 miles from our office, I couldn't afford one of those 3 week
endurance tests.....).
5. Fornax was never in the KL maintenance business. Its President
just delivered this service himself, to fund a fair amount of
operating and R&D expenses since 1989.
I might add, that in true LCG tradition, the fellow who maintains the
KL's at BNL, as of today, still has them powered up and running, as
they have been for the last 5 months without a single CPU fault and
if asked, I'd probably make one last trip there to change one of
those CPU boards---just as long as it wasn't an 11/40 board!!!
Sorry for this rather long announcement. It seems that these 2 old
friends (3 if you count Bob) are just very hard to say good-bye to.
Joe Dempster
Ex LCG Salesman
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Well, I'm still up, so I guess I'll be the one to send out the
message wishing folks a happy 10/20, or 20/10 if you are on other side
of the Atlantic.
Also, while I have your attention on date matters, December 20
is coming. If anyone is interested in participating in a lunch
or other get together to celebrate Dec 20 day, please drop me a note,
and I'll see what I can organize.
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Subject: tats.wizvax.net FTP site
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(Sorry about the wide distribution, hopefully I cross-posted this correctly
so you won't have to read it more than once.)
This is just to let people know that my FTP site, tats.wizvax.net, has been
renamed to ftp.dbit.com. The old name will be around as an alias for a
while but will disappear eventually. Some of you have pointers or mirrors
that should be re-aimed (in particular I can't remember who's in charge
of ftp.biostat.washington.edu).
While I'm wasting bandwidth I might as well recap what's in the archive:
PDP-8: Various snippets of documentation, plus whatever percentage of the
OS/8 doc set I've scanned in and edited so far (all of SSM and some
of SRM at this point). My understanding of DEC's policy on obsolete
software documentation is that this is OK, if I'm wrong I hope
someone will tell me before the federal marshals get here!
PDP-10: KS10 CSL V5.2 source code, macros to assemble it with TASM/MASM.
Files and instructions to build ITS DSKDMP and NSALV boot tapes on
a non-PDP10 host (no, there are NO personal files here!).
Several images of DECUS TOPS-10 SIG tapes and a utility to crack
them (open by appointment only due to enormous size, send a msg
to wilson@dbit.com to arrange access or to nag me to split all
the files out).
Read20, the utility to crack TOPS-20 DUMPER tapes on UNIX.
PDP-11: Ersatz-11, a PDP-11 emulator for DOS; PUTR, a program to access
DEC file systems from DOS (OS/8, RT-11, and RSTS (R/O)); flx,
Paul Koning's program to read/write/create RSTS file systems from
UNIX or DOS; pdpxasm, Jim Cook's PDP-11 cross-assembler for DOS;
and a variety of silly small programs for RT-11 (e.g. CROCK ported
from TOPS-20 to RT-11). Also, PCB decals for DEC-style edge
connector fingers under OrCAD/SDT and PADS/PCB, and instructions
and sample code for building a MIDI adapter for a DL11.
Other: A bunch of IBM 370 and 80x86 demo code (go ahead, laugh).
John Wilson
Digby's Bitpile, Inc.
I'd tell you to look at http://www.dbit.com but it's just a subset of
the FTP archive anyway...
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Subject: UNIBUS Hacks
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Has a UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA ever been discussed? I've called several
companies in the US and Europe, but only seem to run into boards
made for the -11's UNIBUS. I would like to know if a Phillips
UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA or similar boards can be used with a DECSYSTEM-20.
Stephen M. Jones (smj@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG)
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From: weiner@world.std.com (Sam Weiner)
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> Has a UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA ever been discussed? I've called several
> companies in the US and Europe, but only seem to run into boards
> made for the -11's UNIBUS. I would like to know if a Phillips
> UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA or similar boards can be used with a DECSYSTEM-20.
>
> Stephen M. Jones (smj@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG)
Here are some old articles about RH to SCSI. I don't know if the references
are still good. Note also Pat's questions.
Sam
From decwrl::JWEINER@ccr2.bbn.com Wed Mar 31 03:04:36 1993
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 03:04:27 -0500
From: decwrl::JWEINER@ccr2.bbn.com (JERRY WEINER BBN 617-873-3242)
To: tops-20@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil
Subject: FYI-SCSI MASSBUSS Disks
Status: RO
Folks,
COMPUCOM in Atlanta John Spencer 404-452-1090
Has available RH10/RH20 plug & play SCSI adapter and disks to replace
RP06/RP07 without any monitor changes.
I am just passing on the info. I have no experience with the devices.
Jerry Weiner
From decwrl::PAT@fisher.hs.washington.edu Mon Apr 19 15:20:29 1993
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 15:20:19 -0400
From: decwrl::PAT@fisher.hs.washington.edu (Pat Tressel)
To: tops-20@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil
Subject: Massbus to SCSI adapter, and new Massbus drive
Status: RO
Shawn mentioned the need for a Massbus to SCSI adapter. There's a
company in Florida that makes an anything to anything adapter, and they've
put together a Massbus to SCSI version for DEC, which they package with
a read/write optical drive and call the RM06 or RP12. The only problem is
it's VERY expensive. There are two questions I haven't asked yet -- first
is, is it too fast to use with a KS-10, and second is, is there an off-
the-shelf 18 bit version, or only 16 bits. The following info (from Bob
Welzel of DEC, who has very kindly been helping with getting info on the
Alpha and KL microcode for use with our KL-emulator-to-run-on-an-Alpha
project -- I'll post something on this soon) implies that there *would*
be some changes required:
> -The hardware universal controller we talked about is made by
> SETASI, of Hollywood, Florida. The basic device is now
> distributed by DEC, and is called the RM06 ( to replace the
> RP06), and is called RP12 to replace the RP07. To work with
> a DECsystem 10, 20 CPU, it will require a special connector
> block, and some special chip coding. You can contact SETASI,
> at 305-963-1267, and ask for John Jones, or Bud DeFore.
I'm appending the info on the RM06 given me by from our local DEC sales rep.
I haven't really pursued this because an entire Alpha would be cheaper...
One thing that might be interesting to look into is whether one might buy
the interface alone, and plug some other SCSI drive into it.
Patricia Tressel
Locke Computer Center
University of Washington
pat@fisher.hs.washington.edu
pat@uwalocke.bitnet
[specs deleted -smw]
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>Has a UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA ever been discussed? I've called several
>companies in the US and Europe, but only seem to run into boards
>made for the -11's UNIBUS. I would like to know if a Phillips
>UNIBUS <-> SCSI HA or similar boards can be used with a DECSYSTEM-20.
>
>Stephen M. Jones (smj@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG)
Well, the only DECSYSTEM-20 that has a Unibus is the -2020.
As far as I know, all peripherials today are for 16-bit Unibus,
so that would mean it won't work with either the -2020 or the PDP-15.
As another poster pointed out, there is/was a Massbus <-> SCSI adapter
available.
Johnny