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From: "Jerry Weiner BBN Inc. 617-873-3242" <JWEINER@ccr2.bbn.com>
Subject: BYE from Jerry Weiner
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TOPS Folks,
I am leaving BBN on Friday, January 7, 1994. I will be leaving behind
two KL2065's still alive & kicking. One is a hot Spare and one is still in
production. Plans are to retire both machine in the July/August 1994 timeframe.
I will be going to work at Camp Dresser & Mc Kee in Cambridge Mass. No
DEC-20's there!
I've been around DEC-10's & DEC-20 since a KA-10 serial # 67.
Jerry Weiner
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From: Joe Dempster <DEMPSTER@ULLA.FORNAX.COM>
Subject: KL1269 needs a home....
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36 bit hackers:
Fornax is moving to smaller quarters (our KL maintenance business
is winding down and we no longer need room to store 15 spare KLs
and 35 RP06 disk drives....).
We are the proud owners of a museum quality Model A KL (KL1269) and
a custom designed 1MW static RAM memory box (designed and built by
Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island). KL1269 was built
12-29-77, and I believe was either the second or third delivered
outside of DEC.
We swapped in a 2060 KL to replace this machine 3.5 years ago when
we won the KL service contract at Brookhaven.
This machine is offered free to any individual/organization willing
to come to New Jersey this week to take it away. If there are no
takers, then we will unfortunately have to send it to the scrapper.
/joe
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From: iczer@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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Subject: KLH-10 Status?
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Looking over the tops-20 archives, I have seen no recent mention of
Ken Harrenstein's KLH-10 emulator. Last thing I read was from MRC saying
he got TOPS-20 to run on it finally, on a PowerBook. What is its current
status? Anyone know when it will be available for FTP? Did KLH ever
find a way to open up his ITS to people outside of oracle.com? I feel
somewhat like I'm trapped in the middle of a suspense novel...
Also, what ever happened to MIT-MC after it was shipped to Sweden?
is it running on the net anywhere? is it still running ITS?
Long live 36-bit architectures.
7-Feb-1994 04:26:39 -0800,2100;000000000020
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From: Ken Harrenstien <klh@us.oracle.com>
To: iczer@gnu.ai.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: KLH-10 Status?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:14:23 -0500 (CST)
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OK, I've been meaning to send out an update recently, and might as well
use this query as a final nudge.
I really have no time to go into much detail, for which I apologize,
but basically I've been furiously developing the KLH10 to the point
that the KL10B version is now operational on DEC Alpha OSF/1; it
supports the latest versions of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20, including
emulation of the NIA20 ethernet interface so systems can be fully
accessible. I don't have objective numbers but performance feels
pretty good; the AXP is an amazingly fast machine.
Rich Alderson sent a message to this list back in December that
summarized DEC's emulator presentation at DECUS; see that if you
haven't already. Those people who want more DEC information can ask me
and I'll put them in touch with the DEC contact person, Andy Riebs of
the AXP Migration Tools group.
As long as all this is happening, I literally have no time to even
think about the KS10 version. If interested parties want to help in
the meantime, I suggest trying to clarify the *legal* distribution
status of the software for ITS, TOPS-10, or TOPS-20. Or even TENEX.
The KLH10 is not much good without one of those, and licenses remain
necessary for either of the DEC systems.
--Ken
24-Feb-1994 00:05:35 -0800,2978;000000000020
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From: Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM>
Sender: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: 30th anniversary of 36 bits!
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Friends -
I note that 1994 marks the 30th anniversary of 36 bits. This means it is
time for another celebration, in the tradition of the 20th anniversary
celebration in 1984 and the 25th anniversary celebration in 1989.
As amazing as it may be, some of us are still here, 11 years after the
infamous death-blow to Jupiter. Not only that, we're kicking! In the Seattle
area alone:
. XKL Systems has announced their CPU. Not long ago Len Bosack and Sandy
Lerner were featured in the local Seattle newspaper. XKL also has at least
one IP-accessible 2065; this may be the last on the net
. The KS and the KL architecture have been emulated in C, and I have run
TOPS-20 on my Mac PowerBook.
. Wonder of wonders, the University of Washington still has a 2020 running
TOPS-10. It's even network-connected, through a reverse terminal server.
This may, I think, be the last IP-accessible TOPS-10 system.
. There are still two working 2020's in the Panda zoo, in hibernation for the
winter (windstorms make for flakey power...).
. A new home 2020 system, the former PSU-2020, will soon be appearing in the
Seattle area. Its keeper is a long-time TOPS-10 hacker; long-time 36-bit
folks will have already figured out who from past DECUSes.
. There are supposedly several 20's still running at Boeing.
Considering that Seattle seems to be such a center of 36-bit activity,
perhaps we should have a get-together during the Seattle IETF at the end of
March/beginning of April? I wonder if XKL will open their doors for a tour?
Send me e-mail if you're interested; the size of the group will probably
decide what we end up doing.
On a sad note, I have to report the demise of the last 36-bit system in
Japan. Panda.NTT.JP (formerly NTT-20.NTT.JP) was taken apart earlier this
week. The name NTT-20 lives on in the form of a SUN.
On an ironic note (for this crowd, anyway), it looks like VMS is on its
way out. OpenVMS on Alpha has not been as successful as hoped, and there are
rumors that it may get the axe so that DEC can concentrate on OSF/1 and NT.
The VMS crew is engaging in the same sort of denial we were back in '82. Gee,
the more things change, the more things stay the same...
-- Mark --
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mrc> As amazing as it may be, some of us are still here, 11 years after the
mrc> infamous death-blow to Jupiter. Not only that, we're kicking!
Here's a status report of the Tymshare PDP-10 systems: Our last two 2020
systems were shut down and excessed in October of 1993. Our Fremont Data
Center still has 4 KL-1090 systems running; three are still connected
to Tymnet (hosts 26, 34, 38) and the fourth is a hot spare.
Now that MCI has taken over all the capital assets of BT North America,
I fear that they will push harder in shutting down the last of our TYMCOM-X
systems.
--
Joe Smith MCI Data Services, NetOps Tech Support - TYMNET Global Network
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From: carl@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Carl A Baltrunas)
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Subject: Re: 30th anniversary of 36 bits!
Just a quick note... even though TYMCOM-X is not exactly TOPS-10, we do
still have 3 production KL's running our (TOPS-10 variant) and a 4th test
system, just hanging out as a hot spare.
None of these are IP accessible, but they are accessible via Tymnet.
No current "real" time schedule for their demise. Schedule was for sometime
this summer depending on the project to get systems off them :-)
We're no longer BTNA, either... as of Feb 1, we are now MCI Communications
Corp., Data Services Division. a.k.a. Tymnet, a.k.a. Tymshare :-)
-Carl
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From: Rich Alderson <ALDERSON@mathom.xkl.com>
Subject: RSX-20F source
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We're having a little problem with KPALVH, and would like to tweak our
front-end a tad. Unfortunately for us, we don't have (on-line) source for
RSX-20F. Can anyone out there help us with this?
Rich Alderson
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From: gscott@yipe.shr.dec.com (there are many cooks, but not too many chefs)
To: tops-20@panda.com
Subject: Re: RSX20f source and KPALVH
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Rich,
I used to build 20F on 11/40s. I recall it took a very long time and you
didn't want to try to use the KL for anything else while you build 20F.
The 20F sources were kept on an RP06 pack which was occasionally backed up to
another RP06 pack... listings were available on microfiche for awhile and were
issued to the field software and hardware guys. Of course you would have to
find the right listing for your version of 20F, which may be next to
impossible.
I don't know how much use the listings would be to you anyway. The usual
KPALVH suspect is the DTE. As I recall the usual problem solving method was to
first replace the entire DTE or swap the DTE for a DN20 DTE, and if that
doesn't do it start shortening the Unibus by taking stuff off of it. It will
run with the 11/40, memory, console DL11, and either the floppy or RH11
controller for a minimum configuration.
I hope this helps,
Greg Scott
gscott@yipe.shr.dec.com
Former TOPS-20 developer (among other things which I won't admit to)
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Gee, so if you could just get the fiche, all you'd have to do then is type
it all back in, and voila, instant source code!
:)
/Ken
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Unexplained-Acronym: mwlwwlw&twwlt
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>Gee, so if you could just get the fiche, all you'd have to do then is type
>it all back in, and voila, instant source code!
There's always OCR :-)*.5
RP
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From: John_Wilson@MTS.RPI.EDU
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Hey, I'm game. The TSS/8 sources were distributed only as a paper listing
(assembled with PAL-10 not PAL-D so machine-readable form wasn't much use
anyway, in theory), so back in high school I typed in and proofread all
20,000 lines of source code. So now I have it easily accessible on, uh,
DECtapes... Seemed like a great idea at the time!
John
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The last time I saw RSX20F sources Lawerence Butcher was replacing the
card reader and punch (or lpr I forget) of CMU-C. We stuck a 3 mbit
experimental ethernet card in the front end and it sent the packets over
as punch card images via the DTE... I put Ed Taft's xerox PUP code in
the tops20 montior... Gosh that was fun...
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Subject: Re: Typing in RSX20F sources
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>Hey, I'm game. The TSS/8 sources were distributed only as a paper listing
>(assembled with PAL-10 not PAL-D so machine-readable form wasn't much use
>anyway, in theory), so back in high school I typed in and proofread all
>20,000 lines of source code. So now I have it easily accessible on, uh,
>DECtapes... Seemed like a great idea at the time!
:-)
If you need to get that data online, someone can always accomodate you.
Johnny
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I apologize if you've seen this multiple times.
I'm looking for Twenex Emacs source code that ran under the ITS, Tenex, and
Tops-20 operating systems. I'm looking for the oldest emacs source code
written in 'c'. If you have a copy or know where I can find the source
please let me know.
thanks,
-pete
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I'm looking for Twenex Emacs source code that ran under the ITS, Tenex, and
Tops-20 operating systems. I'm looking for the oldest emacs source code
written in 'c'. If you have a copy or know where I can find the source
please let me know.
thanks,
-pete
Pete Snider
Digital Equipment Corporation
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Phone: (603) 881-2986
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Subject: Re: old Twenex emacs code
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:43:44 -0400
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>I'm looking for Twenex Emacs source code that ran under the ITS, Tenex, and
>Tops-20 operating systems. I'm looking for the oldest emacs source code
>written in 'c'. If you have a copy or know where I can find the source
>please let me know.
That Emacs wasn't written in C!
It was written in ITS-Teco.
Johnny
(Real Emacs is written in Teco, everything else is substandard.)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Twenex Emacs source code written in 'c'
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 12:06:17 EDT
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 10:19:27 -0400
From: Pete Snider <snider@quarry.zk3.dec.com>
I'm looking for Twenex Emacs source code that ran under the ITS, Tenex, and
Tops-20 operating systems. I'm looking for the oldest emacs source code
written in 'c'. If you have a copy or know where I can find the source
please let me know.
The ITS/Tenex/Twenex Emacs wasn't written in C. The base interpreter
was written in assembler (MIDAS), the rest of emacs was written in
MIT-TECO.
Archived sources are available online:
mc.lcs.mit.edu:/its/ai/_teco_/teco.1212 TECO interpeter source
mc.lcs.mit.edu:/its/ai/emacs1/* Emacs TECO sources
I'm afraid you'll have to investigate one of those wimpy little
successor operating systems for the first C implementation.
--Rob Austein <sra@epilogue.com>
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From: John_Wilson@MTS.RPI.EDU
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Subject: TOPS licensing
Does anyone know if anyone has made any progress getting DEC to give away
or sell the right to distribute TOPS-10 or -20 to someone, or at the very
least to start selling them again themselves?
The reason I'm asking is because DEC just transferred the rights to all of
the PDP-11 OSes to Mentec Ltd., and if Mentec could do it for the 11s it
seems that someone (XKL?) could do it for the 10s. Things are going to get
real interesting when the world is flooded with clones and simulators.
Actually, my local DEC sales office says they have no conceptual problem
with selling me an RT-11 license for my PDP-11 simulator (they'd skip the
whole serial # and CPU model thing), as long as my check for $2100 isn't
simulated too! (this is where *I* have the conceptual problem)
John Wilson
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On Sun, 1 May 1994 John_Wilson@MTS.RPI.EDU wrote:
> Does anyone know if anyone has made any progress getting DEC to give away
> or sell the right to distribute TOPS-10 or -20 to someone, or at the very
> least to start selling them again themselves?
I haven't heard anything either. There are enough DEC folks on this list;
can't someone get an answer? I have a TOPS-20 and TOPS-10 source license,
so it doesn't affect me directly. But it would be nice if other people
could share in the fun of having a TOPS-20 laptop.
By the way, a complete TOPS-20 4.1 2020 system including monitor/EXEC
sources takes up about 70MB on a Mac. It'd be about 40MB if I optimized
disk use (putting 2 words in 9 bytes instead of 16 bytes) at the cost of
making disk transfers require an extra data conversion step. The
simulated disk can grow by about 50% beyond that if you put more files on
it.
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From: "Shawn F. Mckay" <shawn@fenchurch.MIT.EDU>
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> On Sun, 1 May 1994 John_Wilson@MTS.RPI.EDU wrote:
> > Does anyone know if anyone has made any progress getting DEC to give away
> > or sell the right to distribute TOPS-10 or -20 to someone, or at the very
> > least to start selling them again themselves?
>
> I haven't heard anything either. There are enough DEC folks on this list;
> can't someone get an answer? I have a TOPS-20 and TOPS-10 source license,
> so it doesn't affect me directly. But it would be nice if other people
> could share in the fun of having a TOPS-20 laptop.
>
> By the way, a complete TOPS-20 4.1 2020 system including monitor/EXEC
> sources takes up about 70MB on a Mac. It'd be about 40MB if I optimized
> disk use (putting 2 words in 9 bytes instead of 16 bytes) at the cost of
> making disk transfers require an extra data conversion step. The
> simulated disk can grow by about 50% beyond that if you put more files on
> it.
>
>
Actually, I *DO* have a binary and source code tops-20 license, and
have as yet had no luck in obtaining a copy of the simulator. Hence I
suggest its simply not available regardless of licensing.
(Somewhat disgruntled)
- Shawn
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Subject: 11 years ago today
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11 years ago today at 2PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ken Olsen (President) and
Bill Johnson (VP of Engineering) of Digital Equipment Corporation committed
the infamous massacre of the PDP-10; the cancellation of Project Jupiter and
the end of development of 36-bit hardware.
A moment of silence please...
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From: Jeffrey A Jones <JONESJA%A1%KSV@mr.ctd.ornl.gov>
Subject: TOPS-20 (1022?) problem
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All,
Today, a user started running a new 1022 DMC procedure on our TOPS-20 system.
After about 8-10 minutes of CPU time, the machine crashes with an ILMNRF
BUGHLT. The user submitted the job with restart so the machine crashed about
three times before the job was killed.
Pertinent info is:
TOPS-20 V6.1(16615) - through Autopatch tape 18 I believe
1022 V121A(210)
The BUGHLT info from the console is either one of two variants:
BUGHLT "ILMNRF" AT date/time
JOB: 000000000016 USER:GRAYRP
ADDITIONAL DATA: 011001366553, 304000000000, 000001075201
BUGHLT "ILMNRF" AT date/time
JOB: 000000000015 USER:GRAYRP
ADDITIONAL DATA: 010001366553, 304000000000, 000001075201
Anyone else seen this? Ideas? Calls to Digital and Praxis (company which
just recently bought Compuserve Data Technoligies) have not yielded anything.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc.
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P.O. Box 2003
Oak Ridge, TN 37831
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FAX: (615)574-2033
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Later on today, I sent mail to TOPS-20-REQUEST@PANDA.COM. I was the
primary DECSYSTEM-10/20 person for the New York Area from 1975 to the
end.
I'm interested in converting some magtapes written on a DEC-20 that
don't have a standard format and include floating point data so the
real mccoy would be ideal for this kind of work.
Thanks for replying.
--
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From: John Wilson <wilsonj@rpi.edu>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 13:14:50 -0400
To: psweeney@lehman.com
Subject: Re: DECsystem10/DECSYSTEM20
Whoops, I just checked and it's actually "TOPS-20@PANDA.COM", at least
that's what I have in my alias file and it works. If I remember right,
you get on the list by sending mail to "TOPS-20-REQUEST@PANDA.COM".
It's a pretty low-volume list, basically once in a while someone will
get a BUGHLT they don't recognize and ask about it, and MRC will answer
them. But anyway there are some people there with live machines.
If you know the format of your tapes maybe you can get by on a UNIX box
with a 9-track drive? I bootstrapped a KS10 at work last year by FTPing
the files I needed to a UNIX box, writing small C programs to massage
the files into TM03-style 36-bit format, and then writing them through a
TCP link to a small server program on an IBM mainframe that has lots of
tape drives. Not a lot of code, but the tapes were for ITS and the
:DUMP format isn't very complicated. There used to be a program on one
of the utah.edu FTP sites (I think) for reading DUMPER tapes on UNIX systems,
if that helps.
John Wilson
16-Jun-1994 13:02:59 -0700,931;000000000020
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From: "Shawn F. Mckay" <shawn@fenchurch.MIT.EDU>
To: TOPS-20@PANDA.COM
Subject: RP06 Drives Available
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I have a bunch of RP06 packs in pristine condition here, they were
somewhat recently inspected and cleaned, stored in a perfect environment
and needing a good home if one is available. Otherwise they will be
used for party favors, though that would be a shame.
Thanks,
- Shawn
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Subject: KS-10 system available in Sweden
As I'm moving abroad I'd like to find a new home for my 2020 system.
After having all interested people chicken out, I now need to get rid
of it rather quickly (within 1-2 weeks). I'm willing to help with
transportation (within Sweden :-).
Thanks,
- Pell
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Can anyone give this fellow any pointers?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 16:04:05 -0800
From:Brian_Nath@gcccd.cc.ca.us
To: mrc@panda.com
Subject: TCP/IP for DEC-10, does it exist?
I've been trying to locate TCP/IP for a DEC-10, which we still have.
We'll be porting over to an HP Unix platform and are in the need of
telnet and ftp services from the DEC-10.
Do you know where I could acquire TCP/IP for a DEC-10?
Thanks!
Brian Nath
Network Administrator
Grossmont-Cuyamaca Community College District
San Diego CA
15-Jul-1994 04:11:01 -0700,885;000000000020
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Subject: Status of Emulator?
Does anyone have any more news on the various emulator projects?
Just wondering. Haven't heard anything in a while.
Malc.
--
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Subject: -10 or -20 site needed for computer history documentary
Is there anyone with a -10 or -20 still in operation who could permit filming
inside their computer room? (Note the production company -- the Japanese public
TV network -- has their local office in the LA area, so sites in western states
are probably preferred.) This is your chance to memorialize your system!
-- Pat Tressel
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From: OLEUM::"welzel.bob@a1.mail1.pcgold.MTS.dec.com" "17-Jul-1994 2318"
17-JUL-1994 16:28:29.62
To: "pat tressel"@zso.MTS.dec.com
Subj: DECsystem 10/20 sites & TV opportunity.
Pat;-----
Sure, please do put a note on the network. The Japanese national
PBS network is looking for site (s) to video tape a working
DECsystem-10, or -20 as part of a documentary they are doing on the
history of computers.
Anyone with a site, perhaps willing to allow cameras in should
contact;----Asako Noguchi;---
Asako Noguchi, NHK
Phone;---310-378-8899
FAX;---310-378-9899
Regards.
22-Aug-1994 06:07:11 -0700,1103;000000000020
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From: Alan Greig <ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk>
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Subject: PDP-10 Newsgroup
For those with the access (and time) to wade through News
there's a new newsgroup I just spotted the newgroup control
message for -- alt.sys.pdp10
As to the quality of 'debate' in the group... well that remains
to be seen.
--
Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct
University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk
Tel: (0382) 308810 Int: +44 382 308810
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From: Don Kassebaum <dak@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
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Subject: Status of xkl or tops20 emulators
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Is xkl selling any computers and what is the price?
Are any tops20 emulators available?
I have been away form tops20 now for almost 6 years and would
like to have a system running tops20 at home.
Regards, Dak
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Subject: Wanted: OPSYCO.DOC - TOPS-10 Operating System Commands Manual
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When I parted with my beloved '10s and '20s some seven years back,
I did remember to bring along most of the souvernirs I cared to
keep, but I forgot the TOPS-10 Operating System Commands manual.
On the '10 we used to keep this online as DOC:OPSYCO.DOC.
Since I've given up hope of locating a paper copy of this manual, I
thought I'd check if there was any chance of getting an online
copy.
Any offers? (And, btw, if anybody has any input as to the legal
aspects of such documents being distributed, please let me hear. I
don't *really* think that it'll do much, if any, harm to Digitals
business, but who knows what their lawyers might think...)
Bj|rn
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Bjorn Hell Larsen, blarsen@statoil.no Dr. No
SDATAKIT - Corporate IS/IT Standards, Architecture & Security
Statoil, Stavanger, Norway I speak for me
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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:16:18 -0400
From: "Dr. Tom Blinn, 603-881-0646" <tpb@zk3.dec.com>
X-Mts: smtp
Lest anyone overlook it, today is "10/20" day in those parts of the world
where that's the way it's displayed (and probably "20/10" in the rest).
Tom
Dr. Thomas P. Blinn
UNIX Software Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
110 Spit Brook Road, MS: ZKO3-3/W20
Nashua, New Hampshire 03062
Position: Technology Partnership Engineering Group
Internet: tpb@zk3.dec.com Easynet: alpha::tpb
Phone: (603) 881-0646
Worry kills more people than work because more people worry than work.
Opinions expressed herein are my own, and do not necessarily represent
those of my employer or anyone else, living or dead, real or imagined.
3-Nov-1994 20:00:30 -0800,1244;000000000020
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From: Benjamin Britt <britt@isi.edu>
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Subject: KS20: No +5V power
Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.2.783921075.britt@darkstar.isi.edu>
Got a problem...
It looks like a power supply blew out on our 2020. None of the panel
lights (power, state, fault, or remote) light when the machine is switched
on; just the fans run.
I tried the brute force solution and switched out the H7130C power
supply but that didn't work (V2 reads around 5.2 volts but V1 is 0.94).
Next I traced the power to the BA11K, figured out how to take its
cover off, and discovered one lit LED marked '+5'.
Without a block diagram or a schematic (or even a written
description) I'm stumped.
Anybody got any ideas on what's wrong or how to fix it?
Many thanks,
Ben
3-Nov-1994 20:11:45 -0800,2486;000000000020
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Sender: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: re: KS20: No +5V power
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On Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:51:15 PST, Benjamin Britt wrote:
> It looks like a power supply blew out on our 2020. None of the panel
> lights (power, state, fault, or remote) light when the machine is switched
> on; just the fans run.
Yup, sounds like you don't have power.
> I tried the brute force solution and switched out the H7130C power
> supply but that didn't work (V2 reads around 5.2 volts but V1 is 0.94).
When you say you ``switched out'' the Mighty Mite (a.k.a. H7130C), do you mean
you put in a spare?
> Next I traced the power to the BA11K, figured out how to take its
> cover off, and discovered one lit LED marked '+5'.
The BA11K is irrelevant. You can run the system with the BA11K off.
> Anybody got any ideas on what's wrong or how to fix it?
I will go on the assumption that you tried a spare Mighty Mite, and that
you've already verified that there is some power to the AC recepticle on the
distribution unit powering it. Four things are normally plugged in to the
distribution unit: CTY, fans, Mighty Mite, BA11K.
Given that it is relatively unlikely (but not impossible) for two Mighty Mites
to be down, the next thing is to find what else might be pulling down +5.
Take a look at the KS10 boards, and in particular the memory boards.
The last time this happened to me, there was a memory board that had an
exploded (literally!) capacitor on it. Very obvious when you look at it. It
pulled down +5 for the entire system. This problem looks all for the world
like a dead Mighty Mite, and will confuse you into thinking you fried your
spare Mighty Mite too (Mighty Mites are bloody expensive, and nearly
impossible to repair -- open a dead one up sometime and you'll see what I
mean).
3-Nov-1994 21:15:28 -0800,937;000000000020
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> (Mighty Mites are bloody expensive, and nearly
> impossible to repair -- open a dead one up sometime and you'll see what I
> mean).
As always, if anyone needs a PS or any other KS10 part that I'm not short
on (i.e. anything except CSL pretty much), drop me a line and if
you can convince me you're a good home I'll ship it out free (within reason).
John Wilson
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From: Bob Sellers <sellers@cisco.com>
To: Benjamin Britt <britt@ISI.EDU>
Cc: tops-20@panda.com
Subject: Re: KS20: No +5V power
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:51:15 PST
Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.2.783967342.sellers@regal.cisco.com>
Ben,
My buddy Bruce Kennard at Insyde (510-656-9590) has 3 2020s in stock
in his warehouse of "treasures". He is willing to sell whole sytems,
subsystems, or parts, so you might give him a jingle. It sounds like one
of the power supply "bricks" (probably H744 or H7440) has failed (it's
been so long since I've been inside a 2020 that I'm really guessing here).
If so, that is a common problem and he has scads of them around (for that
matter, so do I - I have a couple of them holding up a shelf right here on
my desk).
-bob
4-Nov-1994 21:31:26 -0800,1198;000000000020
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From: Harris Newman <hsnewman@bga.com>
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Subject: DECWAR SOURCE
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I have been looking for the source code to DECWARS, a command line
trek like game which was written at the university of texas in Austin,
and now is called Megawars for Compuserve. I am willing to pay for
the source code, but this is to get a game going on the internet, and
thus the price cannot be great. I have the executables, so if someone
could supply a machine for me to dissassemble the program, I would also
appreciate that.
Any help would be appreciated.
hsnewman@bga.com
11-Nov-1994 20:07:18 -0800,1113;000000000020
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From: Pat Tressel <tressel@decwet.enet.dec.com>
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Subject: MIMIC
Hi, all!
I've just had a request for information on (especially a source for) a -10
program called MIMIC (with which I'm not familiar). Does anyone remember
this? Does anyone have a copy? Thanks muchly!
-- Pat
Patricia Tressel
DECwest Engineering
tressel@zso.dec.com
11-Dec-1994 00:07:40 -0800,1085;000000000020
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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 94 23:57:46 PST
From: Jim Lewinson <jiml@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
To: tops-20@panda.com
Subject: Second Occasional DEC-20 Day
Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.4.787132666.jiml@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
First, Happy DEC-10 Day (or what is left of it here in the Pacific
Time Zone) and zones West of here!
Second, is there anyone interested in having a "Dec 20" day
get-together? I'm going to be traveling on December 20, so I'm going
to propose January 20. Send me a note if you are interested in either
participating or helping organize one for your area. I'll see what I
can do for the SF Peninsula area.
Jim Lewinson
11-Dec-1994 11:19:20 -0800,1396;000000000020
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Subject: 10-DEC-94
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 07:41:57 -0500 (CST)
From: "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@sdf.saomai.org>
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> First, Happy DEC-10 Day (or what is left of it here in the Pacific
> Time Zone) and zones West of here!
I was moving on 10-DEC-94 and I swear I thought my tektronics 4125
was a RP06 .. sleeping on the hard floor of my old apartment didn't help
either.
I was celibrating 08-DEC-94 alone with my pdp-8/6120 .. This does
sound interesting though. We can have chips and soda and fire up some
DEC systems.
oh.. BYODP (bring your own disk pack)
smj