|
| anotherhue wrote:
| I assume this is also a CF PoP?
| hed wrote:
| I think these are cool and seeing the NetBoot + CoW setup for
| gaming is fun.
|
| Thanks for sharing!
| lostmsu wrote:
| Do you run Linux or Windows?
| kentonv wrote:
| The server is Linux but the game machines are Windows.
|
| But I am going to try switching the game machines to Linux at
| some point. I can't tell you how many times I've run into what
| were almost showstopper problems with the whole iSCSI netboot
| thing with Windows, only to get really lucky with some registry
| hack that worked around it. I'm sure it's going to just stop
| working at some point. Whereas with Linux I can dig into the
| stack and make things work however I want.
|
| In fact, in the old Palo Alto house, when I first completed it
| in 2011, the game stations were Linux for the first six months.
| In theory it was a better setup because the machines were able
| to use their local disks for the copy-on-write overlay (this
| was easy to set up with an initrd script and Device Mapper).
| With Windows, I haven't figured out how to utilize the local
| disk at all -- so all the copy-on-write overlays are on the
| server side, which of course wastes server resources.
|
| Of course, the problem with Linux is game support. We got a
| long way with WINE in 2011 but there were just a few too many
| issues. Here in 2024, Linux is ostensibly a much more capable
| gaming platform, with Steam support, Proton, etc. So maybe
| it'll work better this time?
|
| Anyway, just another project on the todo list...
| tim-- wrote:
| Have you thought about using Clonezilla and broadcasting out
| an image using PXE boot?
|
| Would completely bypass the iSCSI setup, and each machine
| would still get the latest image from your server before the
| lan party begins.
| kentonv wrote:
| A really neat thing about the netboot setup is it takes
| zero time to clone the image to all the machines. As soon
| as I'm done installing updates on one machine, I shut down,
| run one command that completes instantly, and now I can
| boot all the machines immediately with that image.
|
| There have been a decent number of times when I actually
| did this during a party to fix an issue, or between parties
| just to keep the machines maintained for the family to play
| with, etc. It'd be hard to do that if I have to spend hours
| transferring a large image every time.
|
| Aside from the stability issues at boot time, there isn't
| really a down side. I don't have any problems with load
| times. So I'm pretty happy with the setup.
| tim-- wrote:
| With multicast, you only need to send the image once to
| all 20 machines. With 10 gig Ethernet, a 1tb image should
| be sent in approx 15 minutes.
|
| Also, maybe having a steam cache server and using the
| local disks as a game store might help with installation
| of games?
|
| Definitely can see the benefits of the netboot setup,
| though!
| f1shy wrote:
| How much does it cost? Probably can only be pay be Musk, Wall and
| Gates
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Nope, USD 150k (for stations & cabinetry):
| https://lanparty.house/#cost
| levzettelin wrote:
| Fake news.
|
| > The house overall was a 7-digit number. Sorry, I'm not
| comfortable being any more specific than that.
| renewiltord wrote:
| You can get that size of home for 2 million in Austin. The
| work to make it a LAN party home is not that expensive in
| comparison. The magic for him is that his dad is an
| architect. The home is very well designed and if you want
| that kind of design you'll be paying more. Especially if
| you want the whole thing ready built.
| kentonv wrote:
| > The magic for him is that his dad is an architect.
|
| Yes. I could never have done any of this without that
| fact. When you hire an architect, especially for a high-
| end house, they are incentivized to make expensive design
| decisions in order to make the house more impressive for
| their portfolio, and of course the contractor is not
| going to stop them because they want the money. And if
| you're just a normal person not experienced in
| homebuilding, you will not be able to spot what they're
| doing. I'm sure I would have been taken advantage of if
| the architect wasn't a family member.
| stavros wrote:
| Not just those, but probably not too far off, either.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| LAN party game room by night, Cybersyn II by day?
|
| But where are the ceiling duct tape hammocks?
| http://octanecreative.com/ducttape/walltapings/images/german...
| xfalcox wrote:
| This is super awesome, congrats!
| lifeisstillgood wrote:
| So we have an ongoing debate in the white collar world - work in
| the office or work at home. I am firmly on the "teams work better
| in physical proximity camp" but there are still many better ways
| to arrange that physical space
|
| And this - the hideaway desks that fold down to become a table
| top gaming session, well that could make much more flexible
| office spaces. (Don't get me started on offices with one or two
| desks and doors that shut !)
|
| But yeah, I like it, even if my house has that many people in I
| would probably just hide in the kitchen all night
| lukevdp wrote:
| Love the creativity and dedication to the project. And really
| cool house.
| seg_fault wrote:
| Awesome! The fold up mechanism is a great idea to make it look
| clean, when there is no party and it also saves the hardware from
| dust :D
| GauntletWizard wrote:
| You're living the dream, man.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Extraordinary home! Great design. Especially love the cat stuff.
| I have to say, it's wild that something "moderate" like an i5 /
| 4070 build is so powerful these days. It's middle of the line in
| this era but it's enough to play practically anything.
|
| Also, this is a classic example of the power of leverage. $200k
| down on a $1m home, home goes to $2m gives you a $1m profit on
| ~$240k. Accidental, in this case, but nice.
| somishere wrote:
| to see that upside on a home requires you 1. sell and 2. buy
| somewhere cheaper (or not buy at all) ... Otherwise it's a zero
| sum game. Home for a home.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Indeed that's what OP did. Bought in the Bay low, then sold
| high and moved to Austin, where presumably the increase in
| value is again sufficiently high because Austin prices
| skyrocketed in the last 5 years.
| somishere wrote:
| Yes! My point is simply that, unlike an investment
| property, it's often hard to "see" the upside on a home
| sale. OP appears to have reinvested significantly in the
| epic new land + gaff, and also makes the point that prices
| have since been declining in Austin. The fact it's a home
| means that all this is a bit of an aside to the real
| transaction.
| jgeralnik wrote:
| What DDR pads are those? Are they custom made?
| kentonv wrote:
| They are L-TEK Ex Pro X. Shipped all the way from Poland!
|
| They seem to work pretty well. Have been using them frequently
| for more than a year with no issues yet.
| jgeralnik wrote:
| Thanks, those were the main recommendation the last time I
| looked into it (a few years ago), good to hear you recommend
| them too!
| manbash wrote:
| Is Stepmania still the go-to DDR clone? This is very
| nostalgic. :)
| jameskraus wrote:
| Hahaha, the anecdote about the subcontractor is great.
|
| What a thoughtfully designed space for your family and friends! I
| feel like going this custom is pretty rare, and you're clearly
| getting the value out of it. I also love that you did the math on
| the cable runs making essentially no difference.
|
| Thanks for sharing :)
| srbloom wrote:
| This is super freaking cool. I'm curious how you feel about
| Austin vs Bay Area in terms of general quality of life, culture,
| things like that?
| kentonv wrote:
| It feels pretty similar, but more chill. Distances are shorter.
| The sky doesn't fill with smoke for a week every year. The
| weather is much more interesting -- honestly I got really bored
| with Bay Area weather after 15 years. I even like the heat in
| the summer, in short intervals. There are enough tech people
| here to be interesting, but not enough that a random person you
| meet on the street is likely to be in tech.
|
| One thing I appreciate is that there is tons of _building_
| happening. Housing prices went up during the pandemic, but
| there is new housing being built everywhere you look, and as a
| result the prices are now going _down_ quite a bit! (Which I 'm
| fine with, even as a homeowner, because I wasn't planning to
| sell anytime soon anyway and I like to see problems getting
| solved.) The downtown skyline keeps changing -- the tallest
| tower when I arrived is now hardly notable!
|
| All that said I'm not sure I personally am very affected by
| where I live. When I moved from Minneapolis to the Bay Area,
| people asked me if it was a culture shock, but all I really
| noticed was less snow and more left turn lanes...
| iwontberude wrote:
| Having lived in the Midwest, Texas and Bay Area I can soundly
| say there is no comparison which can be made about the
| natural splendor. Bay Area, even with smoke in the air for a
| week, is orders of magnitude more comfortable and
| interesting. In Texas people cloister into giant houses and
| say goodbye to enjoying nature, it's really sad that people
| prefer such a reality. It lets them forget just how grand a
| world there is worth saving and fighting for instead of
| letting it all become privatized and exploited unsustainably.
| kentonv wrote:
| I do a lot of biking, and TBH I've had an easier time
| finding enjoyable bike routes near my house in Austin than
| I did in Palo Alto. During the summer I go biking at dawn
| and it's great, and during the winter there are usually
| 70-degree days regularly enough.
|
| Of course, on that measure, Minneapolis blows both of them
| out of the water -- at least during the half of the year
| when biking is enjoyable.
| WD-42 wrote:
| As a fellow cyclist I find this strange. I visited austin
| to see what the hype was about and left knowing I
| couldn't live there. Massive 6 lane stroads running
| through suburban sprawl for miles in every direction.
| Barely any elevation to speak of. Strangely humid despite
| there being no water in sight.
|
| Most people I know that are happy with the move to Texas
| from California are the types that never cared for going
| outside in the first place. It's a good place to build a
| big house and fill it with toys, which is exactly what
| you've done, so nice work there!
| amluto wrote:
| I've never biked in Texas, but the routes even a short
| distance west from Palo Alto are excellent. You need to
| be willing to go uphill, though :). LAN party house v1
| would have been maybe 15 minutes from where Page Mill
| starts to get spectacular, not to mention spectacularly
| steep.
|
| In the modern e-bike era, the hills are more accessible,
| too.
| kentonv wrote:
| Oh I biked down Page Mill and into the hills a lot, that
| was my main bike route. And yes, it was great. But there
| was really only one part of those hills that was close
| enough to get to without driving first. In Austin I have
| a few more options nearby.
| WD-42 wrote:
| I've made this same observation which might explain why
| there is such a divergent world view between people living
| in different parts of the country.
|
| A neighbor of mine recently moved (back to) Texas. Where we
| live is 1/4 of a mile from a massive state park, right on
| the ocean full of mountainous trails. Dude admitted he had
| only visited it once in 5+ years, but complained about
| taxes and the price of gas constantly. It's no wonder he
| wanted to go back.
| frakkingcylons wrote:
| Related to culture, I moved to Austin in 2012 and that was the
| first time I saw a restaurant advertising that their water had
| no fluoride.
| joenot443 wrote:
| Are people in Austin more concerned about fluoride?
| kentonv wrote:
| I have never seen nor heard any mention of fluoride in
| Austin, FWIW.
|
| I mean, maybe I just don't hang out with that crowd. But I
| do go to restaurants and haven't ever seen it mentioned.
| alchemist1e9 wrote:
| I suspect it will be interesting when people all realize too
| much fluoride is very bad and isn't actually disinformation.
| It's obviously not an intentional conspiracy to make people
| dumb but it happens to be outdated science to fluoridate city
| water at levels we do in the US.
| blackqueeriroh wrote:
| This is factually incorrect. In fact recent studies show
| that up to 25% of cavities are still prevented by
| fluoridating water. On top of that, multiple Canadian
| cities are adding fluoride back in their water after 10
| years of having it removed because of excellent evidence
| that the lack of fluoridation in the water is what led to
| the increase in cavities in those cities, since they had
| neighboring cities who kept fluoride in the water during
| the same period
| defrost wrote:
| It's factually correct that _too much_ fluoride is
| correlated with decreased average IQ.
|
| By "too much" a factor of > 10x western safe levels is
| meant and by "correlated with" is meant a slew of _other_
| heavy metals are generally present.
|
| This comes from studies that look at places in China, in
| Africa, and elsewhere that have unusally high levels of
| fluoride and other elements naturally occurring in water
| or as a by product of other industrial processing going
| on.
|
| Where the _problem_ lies is in the "fill in the missing
| line" extrapolations that the anti-fluoride folk do to
| "conclude" that _if_ really high levels of stuff in water
| makes you stupid and affects your health _then_ it surely
| must follow that small amounts make you a bit stupid and
| a bit unhealthy.
|
| This is despite no such evidence existing even given
| large western populations with meticulously kept water
| quality and health records in the UK, Canada, Australia,
| US, etc.
|
| The G20 recommended fluoride levels are safe by all the
| evidence to date _and_ work to decrease cavity rates.
| mewse-hn wrote:
| Beautiful house, great ideas, love the stow-away workstations --
| no patch panel in the network rack _facepalm_
| gloflo wrote:
| I wish I was rich too.
| tptacek wrote:
| He seems like he has a really good attitude about it.
| pixelatedindex wrote:
| I too would have a great attitude if I had that much money
| lol
| w-m wrote:
| Wait, why do you have the same living room as Bojack Horseman?
| kentonv wrote:
| Lol, never seen it before, but looking now, yeah it looks kinda
| similar!
| teruakohatu wrote:
| This is truely living the dream, well done mate! It is indeed
| crazy that cabinetry costs the same as the technology.
|
| How does the cat restroom exhaust work? Always on or does it have
| a sensor?
|
| Do the cat doors prevent sound getting into the kids' rooms from
| the living room?
| kentonv wrote:
| The cat room fans are standard bathroom fans. At present we
| just leave them on all the time -- you can see the switches
| taped down in the photos. I suppose it might be a good idea to
| rig up a sensor...
| hunter2_ wrote:
| Might be able to use a flipper zero as the sensor, if the
| cats are chipped. Then you'll have data to catch any unusual
| usage, like a urinary blockage, before it becomes a serious
| problem! At that point you're a smart switch and Home
| Assistant script away from fan control.
| kentonv wrote:
| Garply had a blockage once and he did a remarkably good job
| of communicating the problem to us directly!
| allenrb wrote:
| As a fellow cat person, I feel pretty confident
| interpreting what's being implied here. :-)
|
| Beautiful home _and_ contents, btw! It seems expensive
| but more than a few folks would have spent the same money
| on "nicer marble" or something.
| kentonv wrote:
| Heh, I actively dislike "nice marble" or anything that
| just looks expensive without providing any functional
| benefit.
| ahaucnx wrote:
| I would recommend to use an TVOC sensor that detects smell
| very easily and then automatically switch on a fan. Could
| be a fun project.
|
| Just need: - TVOC sensor like the SGP41
|
| - ESP32 microcontroller
|
| - Electric Relay
| teruakohatu wrote:
| Interesting idea. Do TVOC respond with enough signal to
| low level aromatics verses all the particles from cooking
| or pollution?
| amluto wrote:
| I'm highly unimpressed by my couple of SGP41 sensors, but
| they would probably work for this application.
| devenson wrote:
| Constant fans are sucking outside air into your house. Could
| be part of your Heat/AC efficiency problem mentioned in your
| post. A timer to run every 10th minute would be a simple
| improvement.
| kentonv wrote:
| Yeah that's a good point, I should turn off the fans for a
| day and see if it changes the power use...
| teruakohatu wrote:
| A sensor would be easy enough, there are simple non-smart
| sensor fan timer that will activate a fan for a programable
| time.
| Symbiote wrote:
| > [High AC cost.] Perhaps we have too many windows letting in too
| much sunlight...
|
| My office has automatic blinds that open and close according to
| some climate control system. The blinds are within the double
| glazing, so they can't be damaged by weather (or cats). The nice
| version for a home would be something like [1].
|
| I'm sure the owner could program the automation so they only
| change position if no-one is in the room. There's no point having
| sunlight streaming into an empty room.
|
| [1] https://www.betweenglassblinds.co.uk/
| kentonv wrote:
| Yeah good idea. We do have electric shades on many of the
| windows... I just need to rig up some software control of them.
| I suppose as an experiment I could leave them all down for a
| day and see how much power it saves. The shades are on the
| inside of the glass, but light-colored, so should reflect back
| a fair amount of light.
| necovek wrote:
| In the winter in a normal European/northern US climate, you
| probably want sunlight streaming into an empty room to reduce
| the heating bill.
|
| Possibly never in Austin, TX: I am not too privy to the
| temperatures it gets down to in the winter, though heating was
| brought up too.
| jillyboel wrote:
| That's awesome! Unfortunately it's all "request a quote". Can
| you shed some light on how much you paid?
| Symbiote wrote:
| Sorry, by "my office" I meant the building my employer owns.
|
| There were several companies when I searched for "shutters OR
| blinds inside double glazing".
| eertami wrote:
| The biggest surprise for me was seeing the desks with no mouse
| pads (or if you wanted to build it into the cabinet you'd
| probably want to stick down a desk pad).
|
| But I also in my circles everyone takes their own
| keyboard/mouse/pad/headphones as those are the things it's hard
| to adjust to - admittedly my priorities could be completely
| different.
| kentonv wrote:
| I mostly haven't used a mouse pad in decades... until recently.
| I now have a mouse pad on my main work desk because the wood
| where my mouse was kept attracting weird black spots. They were
| easy to clean off but weirded me out. And I guess it would be
| sad if I ended up with a permanent wear spot...
|
| But I think the LAN parties don't really happen often enough to
| cause much wear. In 10 years at the old place no one used mouse
| pads and it was never an issue.
| zexodus wrote:
| > the wood where my mouse was kept attracting weird black
| spots
|
| Have the same issue, but can't subscribe to mousepads. I
| believe that's dust getting in the crevices of the wood.
| hk1337 wrote:
| Or oils from your hand, perhaps?
| buildsjets wrote:
| May I recommend the 3M Precise Mouse Pad with Repositionable
| Adhesive Backing? Dumb name, good product.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/3M-Precise-Repositionable-Adhesive-
| MP...
| amatecha wrote:
| Wow, this is beyond badass. Not only is the LAN and home network
| setup top-notch, that location is excellent too - what a view!
| Congrats on the amazing LAN setup and such a fun place to enjoy
| some gaming with your friends & family. Truly worthy of some
| envy, that's for sure :) Looks like it was a good chunk of work,
| but 110% worth it!
| hk1337 wrote:
| > Normally, maintaining twelve machines used by random guests
| would have two huge problems:
|
| Maybe you did this with your other house but I would have thought
| guests would bring their own computer to a LAN party. All you
| have to do is provide the space and network capability?
| kentonv wrote:
| See: https://lanparty.house/#why-build-in
| syntaxing wrote:
| > Jade and I needed a bigger house, but we really could not
| afford to buy (much less build) anything bigger in Palo Alto.
|
| I'm really surprised about this, really shows how ludicrous the
| housing market is in the Bay Area. How high does your income need
| to be to afford a bigger house?!
| valzam wrote:
| Also considering 1400 sq ft (130 sq m) too small to raise a
| family is peak American... That's bigger than 99.9% of
| apartments people live in in Europe and raise a family just
| fine.
| Tijdreiziger wrote:
| At first, my jaw was open looking at the photos.
|
| Then I remembered... oh yeah, everything is bigger in America
| (especially in Texas)!
| sevg wrote:
| I suppose if you want to raise a family AND have a huge
| dedicated lan party area, then maybe 130 sqm isn't enough.
|
| But I do agree with you. We live in a 4 bedroom detached
| house approx 120 sqm and this is plenty of space for a
| family. In fact, it's above average space out of all the
| families I know...
| maccard wrote:
| I live in what would be considered a large house in the UK
| and it's marginally larger than that!
| valzam wrote:
| In fact, calling 1400 sq ft a bachelor pad and then
| complaining about housing is unaffordable there is hilarious
| on many levels.
| Mistletoe wrote:
| 3/4 of Americans are overweight or obese now. We need a lot
| of room.
| toast0 wrote:
| One issue with wanting a big house in Palo Alto is that _most_
| of the lots there are fairly small. There 's not that many lots
| that can accomodate a larger home, so at best there's not many
| options, and sometimes there are none.
| RulerOf wrote:
| > I've never heard of anyone else having done anything like this.
| This surprises me! But, surely, if someone else did it, someone
| would have told me about it? If you know of another, please let
| me know!
|
| I never had the tenacity to consider my build "finished," and
| definitely didn't have your budget, but I built a 5-player
| room[1] for DotA 2 back in 2013.
|
| I got really lucky with hardware selection and ended up fighting
| with various bugs over the years... diagnosing a broken video
| card was an exercise in frustration because the virtualization
| layer made BSODs impossible to see.
|
| I went with local disk-per-VM because latency matters more than
| throughput, and I'd been doing iSCSI boot for such a long time
| that I was intimately familiar with the downsides.
|
| I _love_ your setup (thanks for taking the time to share this
| BTW) and would love to know if you ever get the local CoW
| working.
|
| My only tech-related comment is that I will also confirm that
| those 10G cards are indeed trash, and would humbly suggest an
| Intel-based eBay special. You could still load iPXE (I assume
| you're using it) from the onboard NIC, continue using it for WoL,
| but shift the netboot over to the add-in card via a script, and
| probably get better stability and performance.
|
| [1]: https://imgur.com/a/4x4-four-desktops-one-system-kWyH4
| kentonv wrote:
| Hah, you really did the VM thing? A lot of people have
| suggested that to me but I didn't think it'd actually work.
| Pretty cool!
|
| Yeah I'm pretty sure my onboard 10G Marvell AQtion ethernet is
| the source of most of my stability woes. About half the time
| any of these machines boot up, Windows bluescreens within the
| first couple minutes, and I think it has something to do with
| the iSCSI service crashing. Never had trouble in the old house
| where the machines had 1G network -- but load times were
| painful.
|
| Luckily if the machines don't crash in the first couple
| minutes, then they settle down and work fine...
|
| Yeah I could get higher-quality 10G cards and put them in all
| the machines but they seem expensive...
| kridsdale3 wrote:
| I'm building out a 10G LAN in my house (8k VR video files are
| ludicrously enormous) and while it's mostly Mac, where I use
| Thunderbolt to SFP fiber adapters, for my Windows PC I'm
| looking around at what PCI options to get, and haven't pulled
| the trigger.
|
| If you make a decision on a 10G card (SFP or ethernet) I'd
| like to hear what you picked.
| murderfs wrote:
| You can get pretty cheap 10GBASE-T NICs on ebay. I've had
| pretty good success with this abomination, a server-pull
| NIC with an HP proprietary physical interface plugged into
| an adapter to PCI-E: https://www.ebay.com/itm/144151881516
| timc3 wrote:
| If its SFP then intel, they have seem to have good ability
| to go into power saving states. My mellanox cards don't.
|
| 10gbase-t ethernet is harder to pick, a lot of those cards
| run incredibly hot particularly the ones that expect server
| style cooling. Heard bad things about all of them.
|
| Also heard that Windows has a hard time reaching 10G
| anyway.
| toast0 wrote:
| > Yeah I could get higher-quality 10G cards and put them in
| all the machines but they seem expensive...
|
| Bulk buying is probably hard, but ex-enterprise Intel 10G on
| eBay tends to be pretty inexpensive. Dual spf+ x520 cards are
| regularly available for $10. Dual 10g-base-t x540 cards run a
| bit more, with more variance, $15-$25. No 2.5/5Gb support,
| but my 10g network equipment can't do those speeds either, so
| no big deal. These are almost all x8 cards, so you need a
| slot that can accomidate them, but x4 electrical _should_ be
| fine (I 've seen reports that some enterprise gear has
| trouble working properly in x1/x4 slots beyond bandwidth
| restrictions which shouldn't be a problem; if a dual port
| card needs x8 and you only have x4 and only use a single
| port, that should be fine)
|
| I think all of mine can pxeboot, but sometimes you have to
| fiddle with the eeprom tools, and they might be legacy only,
| no uefi pxe, but that's fine for me.
|
| And you usually have to be ok with running them with no
| brackets, cause they usually come with low profile brackets
| only.
| vueko wrote:
| +1 ebay x520 cards. My entire 10g sfp+ home network runs on
| a bunch of x520s, fs.com DACs/AOCs, Mikrotik switches, and
| an old desktop running FreeBSD with a few x520s in it as
| the core router. Very very cheap to assemble and has been
| absolutely bulletproof. IME at this point in time the ixgbe
| driver is extremely stable.
|
| x520s with full-height brackets do exist (I have a box full
| of them), but you may pay like $3-5/ea more than the more
| common lo-pro bracket ones. If you're willing to pop the
| bracket off, you can also find full-height brackets
| standalone and install your own.
|
| Also, in general: in my experience avoiding 10gbe rj45 is
| very worthwhile. More expensive, more power consumption,
| more heat generation. If you can stick a sfp+ card in
| something, do it. IMO 10gbe rj45 is only worthwhile when
| you've got a device that supports it but can't easily take
| a pcie nic, like some intel NUCs.
| toast0 wrote:
| sfp+ is clearly cheaper, and less heat/power, but I've
| got cat5e in the walls and between my house and detached
| garage, so I've got to use 10g-baseT to get between the
| garage and the house, and up to my office from the
| basement. At my two network closet areas, I use sfp+ for
| servers.
|
| I _think_ my muni fiber install happening this week might
| have a 10G-baseT handoff, and I 've got a port for that
| open on my switch in the garage. If that works out, that
| will be neat, but I'll need to upgrade some more stuff to
| make full use of that.
| vueko wrote:
| Oh true, good point, being wired for ethernet is another
| valid usecase. I'm lucky in that my ONT is just a
| commodity Nokia switch I can slap any sfp+ form factor
| transceiver I want in the appropriate port of for the
| connection to the router, so in my case 10gbe is truly
| banishable to the devices I can't get a pcie card into.
| I'm still in the phase of masking taping cables to the
| ceiling instead of doing real wall pulls, but when I do
| get around to that I feel like I'm going to pick up an
| aliexpress fiber splicer and pull single-mode fiber to
| futureproof it and make sure I never have to deal with
| pulls again (and not be stuck on an old ethernet standard
| in the magical future where I can get a 100gbit wan
| link).
| jmb99 wrote:
| > Hah, you really did the VM thing? A lot of people have
| suggested that to me but I didn't think it'd actually work.
| Pretty cool!
|
| Another data point that it is indeed possible. I had a dual
| Xeon E5-2690 v2 setup with two RX 580 8GB cards passed
| through to separate VMs, and with memory and CPU pinning it
| was a surprisingly resilient setup. 150+ FPS in CSGO with
| decent 1% lows (like 120 if I remember correctly?) which was
| fine since I only had 60Hz monitors. I have a Threadripper
| workstation now, I should test out to see what kind of
| performance I can get out of that for VM gaming...
|
| > Yeah I could get higher-quality 10G cards and put them in
| all the machines but they seem expensive...
|
| I have had very good luck with Intel X540 cards. $20-40 on
| eBay, and there's hundreds (if not thousands) available.
| They're plug-and-play on any modern Linux, but need an Intel
| driver on windows if I remember correctly. I've never had one
| die and I've never experienced a crash or network dropout in
| the 9 years I've been running them. The Marvell chipset just
| seems terrible, unfortunately - I've had problems with it on
| multiple different cards and motherboards on every OS under
| the sun.
| tinco wrote:
| It's been a couple years, but when I built our in-office
| render farm for my previous company I also got motherboards
| with built-in 10G because they needed 4GPU's and there simply
| no more PCIe slots left. There were so many connectivity
| issues, but eventually it was solved when we replaced the
| switches. When I first built the farm there was only one
| brand that sold cheap 10gbit ethernet switches, but a couple
| years later finally ubiquiti started making them as well and
| I think now all of the semi-pro brands sell 10gbit switches.
| Since we swapped to ubiquiti switches we had no more
| connectivity issues, not even with the cheap 10G interfaces.
|
| The good intel 10G cards were not expensive at all by the
| way, I bought them for later additions, and they were cheaper
| than the premium we paid for the money-gamer motherboards
| that included 10G cards that I saw you were unhappy about
| too.
| murderfs wrote:
| Yeah, gaming in a VM is fairly easy and reliable nowadays
| (the keyword to google for is VFIO). The cost savings is
| pretty substantial from consolidating multiple machines into
| one bigger machine. Unfortunately, there's an increasing
| number of games with anticheat that looks for being inside a
| VM.
|
| > onboard 10G Marvell AQtion ethernet
|
| I had similar problems with an Aquantia 10GbE NIC (which
| AQtion appears to be the rebranded name for, post-acquisition
| by Marvell), and it turned out to be the network chip
| overheating because it was poorly thermally bonded to a VRM
| heatsink that defaulted to turning on at something like 90C.
| Adding a thicker thermal pad and setting the VRM fan to
| always be on at 30% solved my problems.
| kentonv wrote:
| Interesting! I sure hope that's not my problem because I
| uhhh really don't want to open up 20 machines to try to fix
| that.
|
| I think it probably isn't the same problem, though, because
| I only have stability issues at initial startup. If it
| boots and doesn't BSOD in the first five minutes then it's
| fine... even through heavy network and disk use (like
| installing updates).
| justmarc wrote:
| You can get used ones super cheap on ebay. The same applies
| to RAM, CPUs and other parts.
|
| No need to buy new for most computing equipment unless you're
| looking for the absolute latest and greatest.
| ThatPlayer wrote:
| I've done a multi-seat gaming VM back in the day too. I don't
| think I'd want to do it again. Assigning hotplug USB devices
| was a pain: I mostly wanted unique USB devices per computer
| to easily figure which device was which. Though nowadays I
| would probably use a thin client Raspberry Pi running
| Moonlight to do it cheaply.
|
| I think another issue is the limited amount of PCI-E lanes
| now that HEDT is dead. I picked up a 5930k for my build at
| the time for its 40 PCI-E lanes. But now consumer CPUs
| basically max out at 20-24 lanes.
|
| Also with the best CPUs for gaming nowadays being AMD's X3D
| series because of its additional L3 cache, I wonder about the
| performance hit with 2 different VMs fighting for cache.
| Maybe the rumored 9950X3D will have 2 3D caches and you'd be
| able to pin the VMs to each CPU cores/cache. The 7950X3D had
| 3D cache only on half of its cores, so games generally
| performed better pinned to only those cores.
|
| So with only 2-3 VMs/PC, and you still needing a GPU for each
| VM which are the most expensive part anyway, I'd pay a bit
| more to do it without VMs. The only way I'd be interested in
| multiseat VM gaming again would be if I could utilize GPU
| virtualization: split up a single GPU into many VMs. But like
| you say in the article that's usually been limited to
| enterprise hardware. And even then it'd be interesting only
| for the flexibility, being able to run 1 high-end GPU for
| when I'm not having a party.
| amluto wrote:
| If you're on an Intel chip that supports "Resource
| Director," you can assign most of your cache to a VM. I
| have no idea whether AMD can do this. I've also never done
| it, and I don't know how well KVM supports it.
| tarasglek wrote:
| I am not a gamer, but I found that https://moonlight-
| stream.org/ latency when streaming from my server to mbp is
| lower than that of my projector directly connected to said
| server. Might be easier to just get a beefy server with gpu
| passthrough than fight 10gbe drivers on 10 machines. Amd
| cards seem to work amazing for passthrough.
| amluto wrote:
| Just buy used 10G hardware from an HFT firm :). Seriously,
| though, 10G gear is cheap these days.
|
| I bet one could put an unreasonable amount of effort into
| convincing an Nvidia Bluefield card to pretend to be a disk
| well enough to get Windows to mount it. I imagine that AWS is
| doing something along those lines too, but with more cheap
| chips and less Nvidia markup...
|
| There has _got_ to be a way to convince Windows to do an
| overlay block device that involves magic words like "thin
| provisioning". But two seconds of searching didn't find it.
| Every self-respecting OS (Linux, FreeBSD, etc) has had this
| capability for decades, of course. Amusingly, AFAICT, major
| clouds also mostly lack this capability -- performance of the
| obvious solution in AWS (boot everything off an AMI) is
| notoriously poorly performing.
| Multiplayer wrote:
| As the former proprietor of LanParty.com (which I mistakenly
| included in a sale to IGN) I must salute you. The absolute genius
| of the provided lan equipment and particularly the management
| thereof is an inspiration.
|
| I think the lack of any standing offerings of variations of Quake
| is a glaring mistake but easily rectified. :)
|
| It's really heartening to see lan gaming continued and offered in
| such a way that the amount of hassle and setup is minimized and
| the gaming is maximized. We spent far too much time in the 90's
| and 2000's dealing with driver issues, etc etc. Bravo.
| leptons wrote:
| Quake is still so much fun. Been playing for years with a group
| and it doesn't get old.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| What changes after years of playing? I assume everyone has
| every inch of the maps memorized?
| leptons wrote:
| >What changes after years of playing?
|
| New ways to exploit the physics to do things your opponents
| don't expect and can't easily reproduce. As the skill level
| of regular players increases, I always look for new ways to
| approach the maps.
| system2 wrote:
| Download it from tastyspleen.com and play online too. I
| play quake2 online almost daily.
| Ringz wrote:
| Domain for sale?
| pentagrama wrote:
| I think it may be http://tastyspleen.net/
| zamalek wrote:
| I remember our biggest issue being IP addresses. We had no
| router, or expertise, so we were at the whims of automatic
| addresses (254.x... as far as I recall?). Good times.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| Windows will self-assign from 169.254/16 in the absence of a
| DHCP server.
| tossandthrow wrote:
| Also 15 years ago?
| Symbiote wrote:
| Yes.
|
| The idea was specified in 2005, and there's a related
| question about Windows using these addresses in 2011 [1].
| I haven't tried to find older evidence.
|
| [1] https://superuser.com/questions/238625/why-is-
| windows-defaul...
| mattbee wrote:
| I've definitely been to a LAN party where IP addresses were
| written on clothes pegs by the entrance. You take a peg on
| your way in, clip it to your ethernet cable, configure that
| IP statically!
| animal531 wrote:
| Oof. Back in the day friends and I would get together to LAN
| and the first few hours would just be fiddling with network
| cards, cables, terminators and software.
|
| There was always someone who would just be totally unable to
| connect with someone else.
| albertzeyer wrote:
| I remember the first time, we bought some 10BASE2 ethernet
| cards and BNC connector cables, and spend hours to figure out
| why it does not work, only then to learn the next day that we
| also need cable end terminators (if I remember that
| correctly). But then it worked and we had lots of fun.
| Moru wrote:
| Yes, you need terminators for them :-)
| xyst wrote:
| I'm surprised people still have LAN parties.
|
| My lan parties were more adhoc. Plan to play at some dudes/gals
| house, bring pcs/laptops/consoles and other gear, run cat5 cable
| between rooms, hook them up to some shitty switch and go to town.
| Many hours of sweaty gameplay. Piss off the neighbors. Trip a few
| circuit breakers.
|
| This "lan party" has such a corporate feel to it. Almost reminds
| me of a typical work office. Just what I need after grinding it
| for 5 hrs and commuting home for another 1-2 hr -- to experience
| the work environment again!
|
| I'm actually more interested in the dedicated cat walk and doors
| that lead into various rooms.
| deadbabe wrote:
| It's one thing to build a house like this, if you can actually
| host a LAN party with friends and max out occupancy at every game
| station you are rich in life.
| iwontberude wrote:
| Such a cool house, too bad it's in Texas
| echoangle wrote:
| This is so cool. But the keyboard disturbed me, wouldn't you at
| least want a mechanical keyboard?
|
| > Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired -- The world's cheapest keyboard
| at $13 a pop. Works perfectly fine for all gaming needs.
|
| I can't imagine playing stuff like overwatch on a membrane office
| keyboard for $13 when having spent more than 100k on the setup.
| Especially when cheap mechanical keyboards are not that much more
| expensive either.
| kentonv wrote:
| Honestly I've never felt it made any difference to me when
| gaming. I would never code on such a keyboard but for the old
| WASD it seems fine.
|
| That said, guests are welcome to bring any peripherals they
| want. There's a USB hub at each station to plug stuff in.
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| I guess it depends on what sort of games you're playing, but
| isn't it possible for the lack of n-key rollover to be a
| problem? My understanding is that many of these keyboards
| fail to register inputs if too many keys are pressed at the
| same time.
| ikrenji wrote:
| he said they don't play competitive games.
| kentonv wrote:
| Hmm, I've never had an issue with this.
|
| We generally don't play competitively but we _do_ play
| fast-paced FPS and such and I just don 't recall this ever
| having come up. (We had the same keyboards in the last
| house FWIW.)
| Aeolun wrote:
| Edit: I was wrong.
|
| > I recall reading something like 13 keys, and wondering
| what kind of lunatic tries to press 13 buttons at the same
| time.
|
| My recollection was wrong though, and most keyboards
| support at least two keys held down at the same time (plus
| shift/alt/ctrl).
| michaelt wrote:
| Generally it's fine - in the 1990s barely anyone had a
| mechanical keyboard. Instead, game developers learned to
| test their products on the most common keyboard models.
| That's why so many games use WASD+Shift+Ctrl+Alt+Space and
| a handful of other keys in that area.
|
| It doesn't look like they're hoping to play split-screen
| fighting games with both players using the same keyboard :)
| smolder wrote:
| Yes, without an n-key rollover keyboard you run into
| situations where perhaps running diagonally, plus reloading
| or throwing a grenade won't register the last button press.
| (E.g. Shift + W + D + R/G) It's kind of infuriating to run
| into that problem on cheapo keyboards that have it.
| ics wrote:
| For starters, it's a generic choice that's likely similar to
| what many used in school computer labs. No bikeshedding over
| which type of switches to get; that can be a very taste-
| specific choice. I might have missed it but wonder if there are
| any house rules against bringing your own mouse/keyboard.
|
| Edit: kentonv replied answered before I hit submit. BYOK/M if
| you want, nice.
| stevage wrote:
| The noise of a room full of mechanical keyboards, dear god.
|
| Me, I bought a mechanical keyboard but I despise it. Switched
| to a Logitech Keys.
| Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
| Not all mechanical keyboards are noisy.
|
| I use TTC Silent Bluish White switches which produce a muted
| "thock" sound, rather than the loud "clickety-clack" that
| you're probably thinking of. They're only _slightly_ louder
| than a typical membrane keyboard.
| stevage wrote:
| True. Only 98% of mechanical keyboards are noisy.
| smolder wrote:
| Nope, not even close. Mainly just the ones with clicky
| (e.g. mx-blue, less so mx-brown) switches. It's an option
| but not a requirement, and honestly not that common for
| gaming-oriented ones, which typically have linear non-
| clicky switches, which can be quieter than membrane
| buttons, even. I like the semi-clicky brown ones for
| typing but haven't used them for years for noise reasons.
| My mechanical KBs have generally always had rubber
| o-rings that dampen the sound from bottoming out, too, a
| fairly common feature.
|
| Apparently, based on your earlier post, you bought the
| noisy kind. That's on you.
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| Mechanical keyboards aren't automatically great or durable.
| I've had various die on me. One from sitting in a drawer,
| probably corrosion. And it's not even always the keys/switches,
| electronics can degrade too and firmware can be horrendously
| buggy.
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| This is neat, but as a $NET shareholder and someone with another
| ~$1m in net worth that can't afford to buy a house for at least
| another 6 years this makes me think we should significantly
| increase taxation.
| crooked-v wrote:
| Housing price issues in the US are fundamentally the result of
| every major city making it expensive or impossible to actually
| build enough housing. Changing taxes (in either direction)
| really wouldn't move the needle at all. What's needed are local
| zoning changes and significant revamps of permitting and
| approval processes to remove endless discretionary roadblocks
| from anyone who doesn't like medium density housing.
| cluckindan wrote:
| No.
|
| The global housing crisis is the result of international
| organised crime owning or operating most of the large
| construction conglomerates, using real estate as a fiat
| currency to wash the proceeds from all their illicit
| business, and (org crime infested) private equity companies
| cashing in on the former situation, pumping assets by buying
| up available real estate just to make it unavailable.
|
| CRIME is the real reason worldwide for people not being able
| to afford a house.
| qeternity wrote:
| This is absurd. Does it happen? Yes. But this is not the
| primary driver.
|
| We turned housing into retirement funds. The median
| family's wealth is their primary residence. We cannot have
| these assets depreciate in nominal terms for this reason,
| and we actually need them to appreciate in real terms for
| people to have a nest egg.
|
| It's awful, but it's the truth.
| blitzar wrote:
| The median family's wealth is 0.6 * {their primary
| residence}.
| crooked-v wrote:
| > using real estate as a fiat currency
|
| Even if we take your premise as a given, the entire reason
| real estate is so valuable is that there isn't enough
| housing in the first place. Real estate is, by its nature,
| a bad investment; it's only the scarcity of it that makes
| the value continue to go up exponentially.
|
| > buying up available real estate just to make it
| unavailable
|
| There isn't actually any available housing in the first
| place, at the point of cities even approving projects,
| compared to the number of people who need housing. That's
| the problem. The most extreme example is San Francisco,
| where as of this July the entire city had approved only 16
| housing units [1] out of an already comically poor goal of
| only about 10,000 housing units per year.
|
| [1] https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-only-agreed-
| build-16-...
| voisin wrote:
| > fundamentally the result of every major city making it
| expensive or impossible to actually build enough housing
|
| ZIRP certainly had something to do with this too! Don't
| overlook ridiculous fiscal and monetary policy.
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| Yep. The fact that in most places in the US it's illegal to
| build apartments above shops is insane. That's the norm in
| the UK.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| It's in Germany too, but recently it's become the norm for
| new-rich people to buy or rent these apartments and then
| sue the shop and especially bar owners for noise
| violations.
|
| Not allowing that kind of mixed usage in the first place
| completely cuts away all that crap.
| OJFord wrote:
| Not to say there's not restaurants/bars open just as late
| or noisy, but fwiw I would say typically a _pub_ in the
| UK would be the whole (vertical) building - rooms
| upstairs for staff or B &B, if not more seating for pub
| restaurant.
| kristianp wrote:
| What's a $NET shareholder?
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| A somewhat small subset of my net worth is Cloudflare, which
| has the ticker symbol $NET
| theideaofcoffee wrote:
| It's someone who owns shares in Cloudflare (their market
| ticker being 'NET'), but everyone here thinks they're a
| financial wonk when talking about big tech and finance so
| they insist on making it opaque like that. It's a dumb and
| cringey trend. Just say "as a Cloudflare shareholder", I
| promise you the six bytes you save won't be missed!
| GlacierFox wrote:
| But then I wouldn't know how utterly badass this guy is,
| shooting around those sweet ticker designations that all us
| plebs wouldn't recognise.
| compiler-devel wrote:
| When have increased taxes directly contributed to your take
| home pay?
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| It doesn't. They're just expressing their jealousy in a
| thinly veiled and highly embarrassing way.
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| It's not very thinly veiled
| compiler-devel wrote:
| It truly is embarrassing. Imagine seeing something and
| thinking, "how can I get the government to forcefully take
| some of that for my benefit?"
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| It's not for my benefit, I just want to see Stanford
| grads get punished. I could get more punitive but I keep
| that for yelling at strangers in person.
| kentonv wrote:
| Where did the Stanford thing come from? I went to the
| University of Minnesota.
| trelane wrote:
| Any chance you have a gopher server running there then?
| alchemist1e9 wrote:
| Absolutely embarrassing and a real life demonstration of
| a famous quote:
|
| "I have never understood why it is 'greed' to want to
| keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to
| take somebody else's money."
| stemlord wrote:
| To be fair OP's website explains that most of the money
| isn't earned income. I'm happy for them though
| lostlogin wrote:
| How would that even be possible? Presumably some people get a
| top up if they are on a tiny wage, but 'direct contribution
| to take home pay' really isn't the point of tax. It also
| sounds a fairly inefficient use of money.
|
| Have I missed something in this conversation?
| compiler-devel wrote:
| Yes you have missed something but don't worry about it.
| wiredfool wrote:
| When health insurance is 10x cheaper because of it.
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| You have $1M of net worth that isn't a house (and is therefore
| likely to be liquid) and you can't afford to buy a house? Where
| and how much?
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| I spend about $3.2k a month for a studio apartment in an HCOL
| area. I don't even own a car.
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| You need to move, yesterday. Yes, moving sucks. No, ideally
| you wouldn't have to. But at the end of the day you are
| just plain shooting yourself in the foot if you continue to
| live in a place that absurdly expensive.
|
| Like dude, you could buy an _awesome_ house in just about
| any other part of the country if you truly have $1m in
| liquid wealth. You have options to own a house, you just
| have to act on them.
| 47282847 wrote:
| What's this fixation on house ownership? It doesn't make
| sense rationally. Stock markets always perform better,
| easily beating ownership and the hassle and associated
| risks of managing property.
| fragmede wrote:
| Because you can build things like the house we're
| commenting on. If that's not your thing that's totally
| fine, but sometimes people want to spend way their hard
| earned money on adapting their living situation to suit
| their desires.
|
| If I'm going to sink that kind of time/money/effort into
| building a thing, I don't want a landlord to be able to
| come in and take it away from me with some legal loophole
| or by raising my rent.
| mikem170 wrote:
| One factor: It's an investment that you can get for 20%
| down, or less. You can't borrow that much to gamble in
| the stock market. All is well as long as the value of the
| house doesn't go down.
|
| People like the idea of making money. They are used to
| real estate always increasing in value.
|
| We'll see what happens as boomer demand ages out.
| kasey_junk wrote:
| And the loan is heavily subsidized by the federal
| government (and frequently by other governments as well).
|
| US policy is to make real estate a fundamental part of
| Americans wealth. It's worked! Since the policy started
| we've gone from hovering in the 40% homeownership rate to
| hovering in the mid 60s.
|
| It's also made housing expensive and homogeneous.
| kelnos wrote:
| Some people value other things than homeownership.
|
| Some people value living in their area (regardless of
| what it costs) for reasons that make moving undesirable.
| jmb99 wrote:
| I bought a house in Canada with a liquid net worth of $75k
| (admittedly, 2 years ago, but still). 15 minute drive to a
| major city's downtown, 0.3 acres, 3 bed 1 bath with an
| attached garage. Is it the nicest house? No, but it's a
| house, and I'd much rather pay a mortgage than rent.
|
| With a net worth of a million USD, I could buy a house
| pretty much anywhere in this country, comfortably, and
| we're known to have one of the highest costs of living in
| major cities in the western world. If you move almost
| literally anywhere from where you currently live, you can
| definitely afford a house.
| that_guy_iain wrote:
| It sounds more like you can afford to buy a house, just not
| in the area you want.
| tptacek wrote:
| If you can't afford to buy a house, what you want is zoning
| reform, not increased taxation.
|
| (I want both, but I don't want more taxes to solve the housing
| problem, because they won't.)
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| I want both too, but neither is going to happen in the next
| 4-12 years so I can only fantasize about punitive measures
| 0xDEAFBEAD wrote:
| Your net worth is far above the median. If taxes increase, you
| are likely to lose wealth, not gain it.
| segfaltnh wrote:
| Increases to income tax generally won't lower a wealthy
| persons wealth, just the rate at which they can increase
| their wealth. They already have the money, and it will keep
| paying dividends and interest.
|
| Unless you're talking about a new kind of wealth tax, but
| those aren't particularly popular...
| sfeng wrote:
| If you're a Cloudflare shareholder, Kenton has increased your
| net worth quite a bit. He is one of the few people who is so
| unreasonably capable he can and has changed the direction of a
| multibillion dollar company single handedly. It sounds
| hyperbolic, but it's not in this particular case.
|
| I'm also fairly convinced he didn't capture one tenth of one
| percent of the value he created, so I'm not sure how anyone can
| argue this is 'unfair'.
| laidoffamazon wrote:
| As someone that was previously bullish on Workers but now
| fully disillusioned with a barely positive cost basis on it
| right now I disagree with this - if anything I feel burned
| for believing and continuing to believe.
|
| Either way, people like me aren't going to be able to capture
| even a tenth of the success of joining Google in 2005 or
| buying a $1m house in Palo Alto ~4 years after graduating
| (I'm 6.5 years out of graduating) because people like me
| aren't as human as the folks that own this house.
| alecco wrote:
| Take it easy. These kind of thought won't help you. It's a
| rough time out there but thing change. Our ancestors
| survived famines and war. We should be able to manage this.
|
| And yes, life is not fair. But don't waste it, it's finite.
| newsclues wrote:
| "people like me aren't as human as the folks that own this
| house"
|
| What do you mean? People aren't human if they do not have a
| certain level of wealth?
|
| Seems to imply that you may think people with less wealth
| aren't valuable or even human. What should people with less
| wealth than you feel?
| frakkingcylons wrote:
| Amazing setup, thanks for the write-up! My dream house if I was
| rich would have a LAN party room like this (plus a mini fridge
| stocked with Bawls Guarana). Stretch goal would be a movie
| theater like Brandon Sanderson has in his lair.
| valzam wrote:
| > I miss the old MX518.
|
| Truely the peak of mouse design.
| eajr wrote:
| Just so you know the 518 is back in production as of a couple
| years ago with an updated sensor. It is by far the best mouse
| ever made, still to this day.
| kentonv wrote:
| The new one is a lot more expensive but I might get it.
| throwaway888889 wrote:
| For me it is the MS intellimouse
| kentonv wrote:
| Oh man that was a good one too.
| throwaway888889 wrote:
| They started making it again a few years back. Then
| discontinued... But you still might be able to find one
| :)
| Sakos wrote:
| This is amazing. In today's world, I'm not sure what's more
| prohibitive though. Finding 20 friends who play video games and
| would be into LAN parties or being able to pay for this kind of
| setup.
| yapyap wrote:
| House, or room?
| djhworld wrote:
| Extraordinary and beautiful house, thanks for sharing.
|
| Do you worry about the upgrade cycle on the hardware? Can't be
| fun replacing the CPU in lots of machines :D
| kentonv wrote:
| In 9 years in the Palo Alto house, the only things I ever
| upgraded were GPU and RAM, and things seemed to work out fine.
| So I'm not too worried about it, no.
|
| That said, I do regret the motherboard choice, and I suppose if
| I ever resort to replacing them then it's a fine time to
| upgrade everything else. Hope it doesn't come to that though.
| wdr1 wrote:
| Has anyone done this on smaller scale? Say 4 or 8 stations?
|
| We have space in our basement. And with our kids getting into
| pre-teen/teen years, I think it'd be fun to have a place for lan
| parties.
| throwaway888889 wrote:
| Linus Sebastian from LTT has a series of videos about his in
| home gaming centre with computers in his house mechanical
| room.. This is one of them ... But worth a look
| http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKRyZelOp7Y
| smolder wrote:
| The worst Linus... the one who pretends to understand
| computers on youtube for a living.
| chipweinberger wrote:
| my favorite part is the cat walk with the doors to the rooms, how
| cool! treehouse vibes.
| stringtoint wrote:
| Where is the guy duck taped to the ceiling?
| written-beyond wrote:
| The amount of thought that's gone into that cat lavatory really
| makes me envy your belief in yourself. Here I am rewriting my dB
| schema 4 times.
| ata_aman wrote:
| Beautiful. All of it. I love it when tech brings people together.
| marxisttemp wrote:
| Nice, can you guys help me with a down payment? I don't need
| dozens of 4070s, just four walls and a roof
| ARandomerDude wrote:
| I found your problem right here:
|
| > marxisttemp
|
| Get a job and quit blowing all your money on alcohol, and
| you'll be amazed at how quickly you can get four walls and a
| roof. I had that when I was still flipping burgers for a
| living.
| mcdeltat wrote:
| Not the best use of resources considering we are in a housing
| crisis. Another thing on the list of things wealthy people think
| they need...
| hehehheh wrote:
| Flipside: they created more housing, in a place where people
| want it. He even said prices in Austin are falling because of
| development.
| latentcall wrote:
| Younger me thinks this is really awesome. This was my DREAM
| during Halo 2 years. Kudos. The design, the hardware, the room
| itself. The house is beautiful. The pictures and write ups are
| fantastic.
|
| Feel free to ignore the next part of my comment:
|
| Current me with lived experiences and knowledge of the world
| thinks it's a little disgusting. I don't think it's your fault,
| or you're intending to do that. I don't think YOU'RE disgusting.
| Just flaunting wealth in your own nerdy gamer way which many
| wealthy people are wont to do. I don't blame you. If I could
| afford a 7 figure house and 150k for an adult playhouse I don't
| think I'd say no. The computer hardware alone being outdated and
| turning into e-waste soon enough while people including children
| sleep and starve in the streets just rubs me the wrong way.
|
| Anybody remember Rich Kids of IG?
|
| Anyway. I wouldn't feel right with myself if I didn't say
| something. I don't think you did anything wrong, you are a
| product of your environment as am I. I won't check responses to
| this comment just putting it out there is enough for me. Enjoy
| your LAN parties dude!
| nivethan wrote:
| > I wouldn't feel right with myself if I didn't say something.
|
| Many people live with not feeling right with themselves.
| redman25 wrote:
| Normally, I'd be equally upset with excess but the fact that
| this is somewhat of a community building thing is actually
| refreshing to see from the wealthy (even if by community, it is
| just friends).
|
| It's mild in comparison to the ultra rich. Jeff bezos, Larry
| Ellison, and Elon musk have more wealth than half of America.
| That fact is what we should truly be upset about. In comparison
| this is a drop on the ocean.
| r1ch wrote:
| How did you deal with the length of the USB and display cables? I
| thought after 5m or so things would start falling apart. Are
| there active extenders and can they can handle 240+ Hz?
| kentonv wrote:
| Yes, Monoprice sells a brand called "SlimRun" which actually
| convert the signal to fiber optic and can handle 100ft runs for
| USB, DisplayPort, and HDMI. They are pricey but they work.
|
| I haven't tried 240Hz, but I have successfully run 7680x2160
| wide screen at 120Hz (using HDMI), and 4k144Hz (using
| DisplayPort).
| slumberlust wrote:
| Not OP, but he website addresses this:
| https://lanparty.house/#cable-latency
| r1ch wrote:
| Thanks, somehow I missed that entry.
| asn007 wrote:
| That's a sweet LAN setup you've got! The only few things that rub
| me the wrong way is the choice of peripherals and the lack of
| headsets. Must be pretty noisy in here!
|
| The tabletops also seems a bit too thin and wiggly for my taste,
| but, honestly, for LAN parties with chill people you personally
| know -- it's ok
|
| As for the actual host setup with a singular disk image -- great
| job! LAN gaming centres do something similar with their setups,
| with some differences (a lot of centres either use Windows-based
| diskless solutions that mount vhdx files as drives remotely over
| iSCSI, or use ZFS-based snapshotting, which is my personal
| favourite)
|
| But all in all, seems like my dream house :)
|
| I own a chain of LAN gaming centres, so the feedback is
| definitely skewered into the business perspective quite a bit
| kentonv wrote:
| I'm curious, what are the popular products/solutions that LAN
| centers use for this?
|
| I ended up putting together my own thing. I saw various
| products that seemed like they _might_ be what I wanted but
| they always seemed... sketchy.
| asn007 wrote:
| There are a few, actually :)
|
| CCBoot is a Windows Server-based diskless solution I
| mentioned, and they also provide CCDisk, which can do
| "hybrid" mode -- where there is a small SSD in every PC with
| base OS pre-installed and pre-configured, which then mounts
| an iSCSI game drive
|
| GGRock is a fantastic product, in my opinion. It is pricy,
| but where as CCBoot relies heavily on knowing it's inner
| workings, GGRock is pretty much turnkey solution
|
| There is also CCu Cloud Update, which I have heard of, but
| didn't try myself, since they sell licenses only in Asia,
| from what I remember
|
| LANGAME Premium is an addon for LAN centre ERP system, which
| is basically an ITAAS solution based on TrueNAS. Of all paid
| offerings that one is my favourite so far -- but you have to
| use their ERP and actually run a business for it to be cost-
| effective
|
| NetX provides an all-in-one (router, traffic filter and iSCSI
| target) NUC-like server with pre-configured software on a
| subscription basis. I am most skeptical of that just on the
| basis that, from my research, two NVMe drives can't really
| handle the load from a fully occupied 40+ machines LAN
| centre. Not for a long time, at least
|
| ...and homebrew, of course. I myself am running a homebrew
| ZFS-based system which I'm extremely happy with
|
| In your case, I'd go with building my own thing too. Does not
| take a lot of time if you know the inner workings and you
| have no additional OPEX for your room :)
| Moru wrote:
| We were running a small internet cafe with gaming computers
| around 2000 and I found some bootable solution that you
| installed on every computer. It saved all changes temporarily
| and flushed everything on reboot, starting from the clean
| install you prepared the day before. Sadly there was no way
| of central storage possible with that program. Would have
| loved to build this setup at that time but money is always
| short.
| mclightning wrote:
| how do I join? :D are you guys hiring at cloudflare per chance?
| findyourexit wrote:
| What an incredible setup! Really wonderful house overall, to be
| honest.
|
| Aside from all of the extremely epic technology and whatnot - I
| have got to say, the elevated view and outlook of your place is
| sensational. Congratulations on putting together such a terrific
| place to raise a family.
|
| Oh and worth mentioning; I sincerely appreciated and enjoyed
| reading your comprehensive Q&A section beyond the images (which
| themselves, had really awesome annotations included). Thanks for
| sharing!
| jillyboel wrote:
| Must be nice to be stinking rich
| system2 wrote:
| If your goal is to have what he has, you can make it happen in
| 5-10 years. A decent job or hardcore hustling (sell something),
| you can make 200k a year and have all the things he has. Not
| that difficult.
| solardev wrote:
| That's frigging awesome!! I really admire the thought and
| attention to detail that went into this. Must've cost a good
| fortune, but what better way to spend it having fun? Your friends
| seem like a blast too.
|
| And also, thanks for Cloudflare Workers :) One of my favorite
| tech tools of all time.
| zipmapfoldright wrote:
| Sweet setup! I'm curious if you use the machines for anything
| when it isn't being used for a LAN party.
| kentonv wrote:
| We'll turn on one or two to play games ourselves. E.g. my
| 5-year-old is currently playing Portal 2 at the station next to
| me.
|
| But otherwise, no, not really. At least not so far.
|
| Fun story: When I built the house in Palo Alto in 2011, people
| asked me if I was using the machines to mine Bitcoin. I said
| "What's Bitcoin?" I should have been mining Bitcoin.
| johnohara wrote:
| I doubt it took 30 minutes for that Maine Coon to map the place,
| figure out the cat doors, and hang out above the upstairs hdtv.
|
| No crowds tho'. They steer clear. Probably why it doesn't show up
| in any of the multi-player photos.
|
| But the upstairs photo of Kenton was prime for the cat to make
| its way along the back of the couch, gradually step down one paw
| at a time, and join him nestled at his side.
|
| I don't consider myself much of a cat person. But Maine Coons are
| terrific animals.
| LakesAndTrees wrote:
| I think the thing that I'm most amazed by - and this setup is
| truly amazing - is the fact that you've got a group of friends to
| enjoy this with. Good for you; this looks like a blast, and I can
| only imagine how fun that'd be, compared to years of purely solo
| gaming.
| MetaMalone wrote:
| So real. Most valuable component of this setup
| wyclif wrote:
| Yeah, it's impressive that someone built this. But the most
| impressive thing to me is that he has a group of friends who
| have been doing LAN parties together for 30 years. I can't
| think of anyone that I know that still does that.
| Aeolun wrote:
| I do, but the group is nowhere near large enough (3-4
| people) that we need a house dedicated to it...
| ckmiller wrote:
| Especially amazing considering that he moved from Palo Alto to
| Austin. Did all his friends move too?
| kentonv wrote:
| My junior high friends that I've been having parties with for
| 30 years live in Minneapolis (where I grew up). They fly out
| for New Year's Eve each year.
|
| But, in fact, some friends who regularly attended LAN parties
| in the Bay Area moved to Austin around the same time we did.
| And some others are also willing to travel for New Year's.
|
| (Most parties are just local people, of course.)
| jokethrowaway wrote:
| Plenty of people in tech moved from Silicon Valley to Austin
| to get a better tax / quality of life deal, even in my social
| circle. Remote working becoming widely available really made
| a difference.
|
| I'm in a completely different part of the world, but for
| similar reasons I ended up with a few friends in tech who
| moved to the same part of the world - and I've also met
| similar profiles to ours, attracted by the same reasons.
| hawk_ wrote:
| Where did you move to if you don't mind me asking? The
| chasm between SV tech comp and various "completely
| different part of the world" is massive. Were you able to
| meet your employer in the middle?
| XCSme wrote:
| Random thought: would a gaming streaming service like GeForce Now
| achieve a similar result for a lan party? Assuming you have the
| network bandwidth, I am curious what the difference in input
| lag/quality would be, and if, when doing a blind test, anyone
| would notice.
|
| I guess you could even test this, by running GeForce Now on all
| computers vs native.
| XCSme wrote:
| That could be the poor's man, on-demand, lan party.
|
| If not for the PCs, you would still need some devices to run
| the games.
| kentonv wrote:
| Ehh... I'm very skeptical of those streaming services.
|
| I tried Stadia once. Played Celeste. The results were very
| interesting. I didn't exactly perceive latency, but I did
| perceive that the game _felt wrong_. As a result, my favorite
| game of all time was _not fun_ when playing on Stadia. If I
| didn 't have the local version of the game to compare against,
| I would probably have blamed the game, because again, it didn't
| _feel_ like latency was the problem.
|
| I dunno, maybe that experience was skewed by the fact that
| Celeste is probably one of the most timing-sensitive games out
| there and I'd played it a lot... but now I'm worried that
| anything played via one of these streaming services is just
| going to be subtly less fun. I think I'll stick to local
| gaming.
| digitaltensor wrote:
| You're missing out, definitely give it a go! GeforceNow is a
| staggering leap over all the other previous cloud streaming
| services imo. The experience in Austin specifically is
| amazing, I get ~5ms (!) RTT latency to their datacenter in
| Dallas. Combine that with h/w AV1 decoding, the difference
| versus local is almost unperceivable.
| brink wrote:
| Nice work mate. I hope it all makes you happy!
| luispa wrote:
| cat
| aeturnum wrote:
| This is an extremely clever setup and certainly looks wonderful -
| but to me LAN parties are only LAN parties when people bring the
| computers with them (in much the same way that Champaign is only
| Champaign when from a certain place in France). That being said
| it looks wonderful and I hope it gives you and your community
| many years of enjoyment.
| kentonv wrote:
| I thought that too originally! This is covered in the Q&A:
|
| https://lanparty.house/#why-build-in
| 9x39 wrote:
| Given it's only 20 pcs, I might have just opted for fully local
| machines with a basic disk overlay software with exceptions for
| where Steam and Epic live. Course, engineering a centralized
| solution can be fun, but locked-down PCs are just simple. Having
| built corporate RDP and VDI solutions I'm just biased towards
| keeping things simple these days and pushing admin work off
| myself.
|
| Going off the local PC only idea, you could script just your
| rebuilds of them in the off chance something goes south, along
| with maybe a disk image with the majority of common games loaded.
| This is just thinking along the lines it's friends and family,
| not the general public. I'd probably use gigabit Internet (or
| more) which makes updates you're missing fast, while Steam lets
| PCs on a LAN share updated files and save bandwidth.
|
| Did you consider patch panels or things like PatchBox to organize
| those UTP cables or allow for changes in your switching later?
| kentonv wrote:
| Hmm, that sounds like a lot more maintenance work to me.
|
| The way I have it set up, I am essentially maintaining only one
| PC, in a totally normal way. I update Windows by pulling up
| Windows Update in the control panel, etc. Since I only have to
| do it for one machine this is fine -- orchestrating updating 20
| machines sounds like a pain. Yeah I know there are enterprise
| tools for this but why bother?
|
| Once I've updated that one machine I just run one command on
| the server and now all the machines have cloned it. At the end
| of the party I run one command and all the machines are
| reverted.
|
| Also I can give everyone full admin access to their machine
| (which you sometimes need for games) and not have to worry
| about it, because I know it'll all be completely reverted
| later.
| LelouBil wrote:
| I meant your thing works great so good for you !
|
| But to me it sounds harder to maintain than just wake on lan
| + pxe to reimage the machines before every lan party.
|
| I think it's specifically the fact that they access their
| disk remotely _live_ that 's bothering me.
|
| Why not just image it to the ssd and call it a day ?
| kentonv wrote:
| Why not do it live? It works!
|
| Well, OK, admittedly in the latest build, I have some
| stability issues right after boot. But in the worst case
| the machine reboots once or twice, and then it works. If it
| doesn't BSOD in the first five minutes then it's good, and
| everything works every bit as well as if the storage were
| local.
|
| Whereas reimaging all the machines would actually take more
| time than waiting for this stability issue to work itself
| out. And would also require that I install storage in all
| the machines big enough to hold the main image (currently,
| they don't have this).
|
| Overall I find it more convenient this way.
|
| Note that the stability issue is specific to my
| hardware/drivers -- I didn't have any such problem in the
| Palo Alto house.
| 9x39 wrote:
| Ah, I think I see where I failed to explain what I meant.
|
| You could skip the orchestration and remote storage layers
| altogether and cut your commands you run down to ~0 with
| local nvme SSDs. What orchestration do PCs running Steam and
| Epic need? Machines can just auto-update, unless you really
| like reinventing that or only have a few megabits of
| bandwidth.
|
| Again, it's not that the netboot setup isn't cool to see
| built, I was just thinking out loud how to simplify it even
| further.
| kentonv wrote:
| I guess you're suggesting I leave the machines on and hope
| they all update themselves in the background.
|
| I don't think that would really work. Not all the changes I
| make to machines before a party are things that they'd do
| automatically if just left to sit. E.g. I usually install
| some new games some people suggested, or download the
| latest nvidia driver directly from the web site (where they
| are available before Windows Update gets them), or remove
| games we aren't playing anymore to free up space (or
| because they are constantly downloading enormous updates
| wasting banwidth), etc.
|
| Also, I don't actually leave the machines running outside
| of parties, and updates don't just all happen immediately
| when you turn the machine on... I'd have to start them up a
| few days in advance.
| michaelhoney wrote:
| I salute your commitment to fun and friends, this is awesome.
| hokumguru wrote:
| Dumb question but what are you using to transfer gaming quality
| video and usb signal over long distance like this? I tried a
| fiber cable from Infinite Cables earlier this year for a similar
| situation but couldn't get it quite working.
| kentonv wrote:
| Monoprice SlimRun cables -- they have USB, DisplayPort, and
| HDMI. They transmit over fiber optic and seem to work just fine
| even at 100ft.
| babyent wrote:
| Awesome build. I also really enjoyed reading about you. Wish you
| both all the best :)
|
| Cheers, to many GGs at the LAN parties.
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| The 22 game machines (including monitors, cables, and
| peripherals) cost about $75,000 in total. The house overall was a
| 7-digit number. Sorry, I'm not comfortable being any more
| specific than that.
| viiralvx wrote:
| Not gonna lie, this is really dope! Can I be your friend and
| drive from Houston for a LAN Party?
| voisin wrote:
| He answers this in the FAQ. You've got to get into his friend
| group or get hired by Cloudflare. Not sure which is more
| challenging!
| Daub wrote:
| Looking at this I was making noises like Homer Simpson looking at
| donuts.
| ChuckMcM wrote:
| That is an awesome house and a great story. I'd be really curious
| to know what the people who bought your house in Palo Alto did
| with the house (and did you leave the gear with it? It looks like
| you bought all new computers for the new place so ...)
|
| I'm curious too how the planning folks reacted when you got the
| permits. I would expect Austin to go more smoothly than Palo Alto
| but that would be interesting to know about too.
| kentonv wrote:
| > I'd be really curious to know what the people who bought your
| house in Palo Alto did with the house
|
| I don't really know. I never spoke with them directly (real
| estate agents like to avoid that...). I did leave the
| equipment, but the buyer was a family and my impression was
| that they weren't particularly interested in the LAN setup, so
| it's possible they ripped it all out.
|
| I looked up the house on street view and they have a Tesla
| parked in the front yard (on dirt/grass) which strikes me as a
| hilarious combination of Bay Area and hillbilly. (There is a
| carport in the back of the house, I don't know why they aren't
| using it!)
|
| Anyway, the computers were a bit outdated so I don't think it
| would have been useful to bring them with us.
|
| > I would expect Austin to go more smoothly than Palo Alto but
| that would be interesting to know about too.
|
| Loooooooool, no. Austin was actually much worse. It took six
| months! Though it was in the middle of the pandemic, maybe that
| was part of it.
|
| But the plans as submitted for permitting didn't really show
| any of the LAN party stuff so there really wasn't anything
| unusual to react to.
| sriram_malhar wrote:
| Amazing build, and even better, a set of long time friends. You
| and your wife are rich in all senses.
|
| I was wondering what the maximum power draw you have seen. Do you
| monitor your energy usage during normal use and during a party
| with all machines buzzing.
| kentonv wrote:
| I haven't actually monitored power usage during parties. But I
| should do that at the next one... I have better equipment for
| than now that since we finished the solar install!
|
| I suspect though that even when the game machines are running
| they probably don't draw all that much power compared to the
| HVAC. We seem to have ~10-12kW going to HVAC throughout the
| day... this feels broken to me (these are supposed to be high-
| efficiency heat pumps and such) but I haven't been able to
| figure out what's wrong yet.
|
| Whereas if all the computers were drawing the theoretical
| maximum their PSUs support (750W each) that would be 15kW, but
| in practice I suspect they draw a small fraction of that most
| of the time, even when in-game.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| It's almost certainly insolation (sol, not sul). UV/IR
| rejecting film on the windows might help, given mild enough
| winters that blocking it year round is fine. Check out
| https://youtu.be/uhbDfi7Ee7k
|
| If you can find someone willing to do it, dumping the heat
| (pumped out as air conditioning) directly into the pool would
| be quite efficient relative to heating the pool separately.
| Have it dump to the ambient outdoor air only as overflow when
| the pool's thermostat is satisfied (upper 80s or whatever).
| esafak wrote:
| > The cabinetry around the game stations cost a similar amount to
| the computers powering them. Think about that! The cabinetry is
| just a bunch of wood, cut into fairly large pieces. Maybe a few
| screws and hinges.
|
| As a person redoing a kitchen, I am disappointed that each
| cabinet costs something like a thousand dollars. They've gotta be
| doing something wrong. The prices make no sense to me; this is
| centuries old technology, and wood is abundant. How can they not
| optimize it?!
| bschwindHN wrote:
| I'm building a game that I think would do quite well in a LAN
| party setting. If I ever finish it (big if) I'll be sure to get
| your attention and see if you'd give it a try :)
|
| Thanks for sharing all the details on this, looks like an
| incredibly fun and nice house.
| ikt wrote:
| Only thing I'm surprised about is the intel+nvidia combo not an
| AMD/AMD or AMD+Nvidia combo
| 0xDEAFBEAD wrote:
| Sweet setup!
|
| I used to play games over LAN with my brothers when we were
| teenagers. We played every year or two, and every time we'd spend
| hours fiddling with the networking in order to get things to
| work. This was annoying. It left me dreaming about a LAN cafe
| where the proprietor has lots of games pre-installed, and you can
| just sit down and play with your friends, or make some new
| friends and play with them.
|
| This could be especially good for cult classic games from
| previous decades that are even more difficult to get working with
| modern OS+hardware. I'm thinking of the game Moonbase Commander
| in particular.
| https://store.steampowered.com/app/254880/MoonBase_Commander...
| Animats wrote:
| A PC bang in your house?[1] Why not?
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_bang
| frazar0 wrote:
| > RGB: None
|
| I chuckled.
| grose wrote:
| I love the catwalk that's actually for cats, the little cat doors
| and cat restrooms. Nice to see some cat-friendly architecture.
| Very cool.
| hehehheh wrote:
| Thanks for the backstory to your career success! While I see the
| money as awesome, just working for CF at such a level must be
| great. I hope to get a job with them one day!
| kitsune_ wrote:
| It's a tangent but I think two white collar workers being able to
| afford this and having this lifestyle is why Trump won.
| vuckov wrote:
| No mention of air conditioning? That basement is going to reek
| with so many sweaty nerds in there grinding and stinking away on
| their gamestations for hours on end.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > The machines all boot off of a network drive based on this
| image. Each machine gets a copy-on-write overlay on top of the
| main image, so that guests can make changes to their machine
| which won't be seen by any other, and will be deleted at the end
| of the party.
|
| How do you deal with Windows licensing/activation in that
| scenario? I didn't see anything in the Github repository, and I
| can't imagine that _not_ being the worst PITA.
| lucasfcosta wrote:
| I love this idea so much.
|
| Lan parties were probably the best part of my teenage years.
|
| Also, the terrace part is amazing.
|
| I miss the good old days of playing DotA (the old one) the whole
| night while drinking coke and eating pizza with friends.
| cannibalXxx wrote:
| i really enjoy seeing and reading content like this. the way the
| process is developed and worked on by the team
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| The amazing thing about gaming is, if you build for it,
| everything else works.
|
| Due to high specs and amazing connectivity, video meetings,
| coding, dev work all run great. Sure some xeon or threeadrippers
| would be better but still. Networking is key, use cables whenever
| possible.
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| Invite LinusTechTips now!!!
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| Damn... I read those profiles and I feel sick. I wasted my life
| on reddit, youtube and forums.
| pistoleer wrote:
| Those cat corridors are cool as shit. I love little doors and
| hidden hallways, it's almost victorian. I would only worry about
| "noise" leaking out of the bedrooms...
| keb_ wrote:
| damn if I had this kinda money I'd do something crazy. like pay
| off my parent's mortgage.
| appel wrote:
| All this is truly, truly outstanding, except for one bit:
|
| > Cat doors allow cats access to bedrooms when human doors are
| closed.
|
| Kenton, you have made a grave mistake.
| Farbklex wrote:
| We also have two friends with dedicated LAN party basements. But
| it's way more casual. They have 10 old office PCs each that were
| available for pretty much free. We meet around every two months
| to play old games. Stuff like Half Life 1 DM.
|
| I,ve also started playing with Linux and Lutris to pre-install
| old games. Still need to figure out the netboot part.
|
| Also regarding the Steam / Epic situation: Steam has a PC Cafe
| program where you can buy licenses which then can be used by
| people with their own steam accounts while they are in your local
| network. I set it up once and it is a neat feature.
| v3ss0n wrote:
| If you are doing lan-parties , this opensource AAA Game is the
| best . https://totemarts.games/games/renegade-x/ It is Command
| and Conquer Renegade , RTS + FPS Game with frontend backend
| opensourced rebuild from scratch in Unreal 3 . Needs a lot of
| teamwork and strategy to win and all gameplay is according to CNC
| Rules.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHennwBhG8
|
| Source code
|
| https://github.com/TotemArts/Renegade-X
| https://totemarts.games/forums/files/file/7-renegade-x-softw...
|
| Game Client
|
| https://totemarts.games/games/renegade-x/downloads.html
|
| They have a New game working in Unreal 4 Which have full build
| building and production RTS mechanic.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhzZ3GMerz4
|
| They would use some help from you guys to spread around, they are
| fully self funded and voulenteers working full time , to build a
| game that is fun for hardcore playerbase.
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