[HN Gopher] Forming an Edge
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Forming an Edge
 
Author : visviva
Score  : 42 points
Date   : 2023-09-05 19:21 UTC (3 hours ago)
 
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| dekhn wrote:
| When I worked in food service the knives were rotated weekly and
| came back super sharp. It was really nice- a really sharp knife,
| properly handled, is a real pleasure to use.
| 
| At home, I'm lazy and never have my knives sharpened- yet my one
| high quality knife is still pretty good after 5+ years of not
| being sharpened (it no longer cuts skin when drawn across it
| lightly). I did learn a trick- for most situations, a scalloped
| knife with with light serrations slices through tomatoes and
| never needs sharpening.
 
| wormhauskrar wrote:
| forbidden
 
  | kwhitefoot wrote:
  | What do you mean?
 
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| Scene_Cast2 wrote:
| To anyone considering getting into knife sharpening:
| 
| Usability matters more than perfection. If you're the type of
| person that would only sharpen knives once a year because it
| takes half hour to set up your sharpening rig and sharpen your
| knife, get an electric sharpener instead - takes about 15
| seconds. Yes, it's not glorious or Instagram-pretty, but it gets
| the job done well.
| 
| For hand sharpening - look up micro-bevels. They speed up
| sharpening time considerably (still not as fast as electric
| sharpeners though).
 
  | daveguy wrote:
  | Sticking with the usability theme -- get a leather strop and
  | some stropping compound! It's so much easier to pass all the
  | sharpness tests and keep an edge on a knife if you use a strop.
  | It doesn't require as much precision due to the way the leather
  | molds to the surface of the edge. Quick, easy, and effective
  | assuming you already have a decently formed edge.
 
    | hammock wrote:
    | PSA don't sharpen or strop in your kitchen- it's a dirty
    | business. You will have invisible metal shavings (chromium,
    | nickel) that make it into your food and strop compound is
    | made of aluminum oxide and chromium oxide.
 
  | roflyear wrote:
  | Maintenance is more important than sharpening - and maintenance
  | should be done almost every time you use the knife and should
  | just take a minute.
 
  | amluto wrote:
  | > If you're the type of person that would only sharpen knives
  | once a year because it takes half hour to set up your
  | sharpening rig and sharpen your knife, get an electric
  | sharpener instead
  | 
  | This is an obsolete dichotomy. There are excellent modern low-
  | porosity stones that you can get wet and use immediately. For
  | example, resin bonded diamond (e.g. CGS, Venev, Naniwa
  | Diamond), Shapton Glass (unspecified "ceramic"), or diamond-in-
  | nickel (DMT).
  | 
  | The idea of a long progression of expensive stones seems to be
  | almost entirely a myth -- there seems to be no actual benefit,
  | and possibly quite a bit of wasted time and increased chance of
  | entirely failing to get a good edge, if you use a zillion
  | different grits. A cheap coarse stone or two and one
  | (expensive) medium-fine stone is plenty, and you won't touch
  | that coarse stone if your knife is already in decent shape.
  | Throw in a strop loaded with a decent abrasive and you can
  | maintain your knife in a minute or two.
  | 
  | (I use a cheap balsa wood strop loaded with 1 micron CBN
  | suspended in water. Total setup time to strop a knife is
  | however long it takes to get it out of a drawer. WEAR A REAL
  | MASK and work outside while applying the CBN -- I seriously
  | doubt that inhaling a fine mist of tiny minerals is a good
  | idea.)
 
  | p1necone wrote:
  | > only sharpen knives once a year
  | 
  | If you have a decent quality knife you do only need to sharpen
  | it once a year + give it a few swipes on a honing steel every
  | time you use it.
 
    | Arcanum-XIII wrote:
    | Hell no. It depend a lot of the angle of the edge, the steel
    | hardness and how and where you use it. I hone mine every 3 to
    | 4 weeks, and I'm gentle with my Global chef's knives
 
      | p1necone wrote:
      | I hone mine every time I use it with a steel. Honing is not
      | the same thing as sharpening - op was talking about
      | sharpening.
      | 
      | (For those curious - the sharp edge on the knife tends to
      | bend over time, which makes it worse at cutting. Running it
      | over a honing steel helps to straighten that bend out but
      | doesn't actually remove metal from the blade. The actual
      | edge will stay sharp for much longer and so you only need
      | to _properly_ sharpen (with a whetstone or if you hate your
      | knives one of those awful swipy wedge things) a decent
      | knife once every 6 months - a year.
 
  | tonyarkles wrote:
  | Another side of this... if you're on a budget, you can turn a
  | crap knife into a pretty serviceable knife with a very basic
  | setup. I've got a pair of santokus that were about $20 each
  | (one bigger one for meat and large veggies, smaller one for
  | small veggies) and a set of 3 progressively finer sharpening
  | stones from Princess Auto (the Canadian equivalent to Harbour
  | Freight). About once a month I take the two knives and give
  | them about 5 passes on each side, with the bevel set basically
  | at the angle I get if I have a finger in between the spine and
  | the stone. Takes about 45 seconds and they get sharp enough to
  | pass the tomato test.
  | 
  | They don't maintain their edge, but I've had fantastic slicing
  | for a decade now for $50.
 
    | p1necone wrote:
    | Yep, the distinction between crappy knives and good knives is
    | generally more about how long they hold an edge for rather
    | than how sharp that edge is.
    | 
    | Victorinox make knives that are good _and_ cheap though. They
    | 're the only brand I know of at that price point that I
    | really wouldn't mind using instead of something quite a bit
    | more expensive like Global.
    | 
    | Assuming a certain baseline quality of steel, the most
    | important thing in a knife is how comfortable the handle is
    | and whether the balance/weight is right for your particular
    | taste and grip.
 
| Nzen wrote:
| tl;dr A meditation on how people achieve knife sharpness by
| (former? chef) TW Lim. This touches on steel heat treatment and
| grinding angles. Poetic language. Hosted on ghost (mentioning
| this in case you are allergic to subscription websites).
 
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