[HN Gopher] RSS Autodiscovery (2006)
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RSS Autodiscovery (2006)
 
Author : mawise
Score  : 114 points
Date   : 2023-06-22 14:21 UTC (8 hours ago)
 
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w3m dump (www.rssboard.org)
 
| superkuh wrote:
| Mozilla removing long standing support for this from Firefox was
| a clear signal what their browser is for now and what it isn't
| for. Firefox is for running javascript applications and consuming
| DRM video and visiting your bank's website, just like chrome. It
| is not a browser for surfing the web and looking at websites.
 
  | netghost wrote:
  | Honestly the RSS support in Firefox and friends was just never
  | that great. A long time back I used Sage and loved it, but when
  | Firefox moved to use standardized plugins it wasn't an option
  | anymore.
  | 
  | So I built Brook, it's pretty simple and hangs out in your
  | sidebar on Firefox: https://github.com/adamsanderson/brook
 
| ilyt wrote:
| RSS is still only sane way to subscribe to youtube channel, or
| rather only way that YT managed to not break over the years
 
  | ttepasse wrote:
  | Unfortunately Youtube pushes shorts into the channels feed,
  | presumably because shorts are normal videos under the hood.
  | 
  | For a time shorts had the string "#shorts" in their titles
  | which was great for filtering those out but then youtubers
  | started using custom tags. And filtering for "#" seems too
  | risky.
  | 
  | I recently found out that my feedreader, Feedbin, allows a
  | media_duration field in their search/action syntax. Now I'm
  | using that experimentally for filtering.
  | 
  | Sidenote: Interestingly enough Youtube's feeds don't expose
  | duration. Those feeds are ancient, apparently untouched for 15
  | years. The  element still advertises its videos
  | as application/x-shockwave-flash. Feedbin, according to its
  | code on Github, does some custom extraction of the duration
  | from the Website for its data model.
  | 
  | (Googlers who may read this: Please, for the love of god, don't
  | change anything. A crappy feed is still better than no feed at
  | all.)
 
  | begriffs wrote:
  | Oh yeah, gotta love the secret feed link.
  | https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=$FOO
  | 
  | I follow a number of channels this way. I'm grateful and sort
  | of surprised YouTube hasn't killed it off.
 
    | rollcat wrote:
    | You don't need the "secret" feed link.
    | 
    | You can visit a channel's page directly, and copy the normal
    | URL straight into your feed reader. It will do the right
    | thing - thanks to the  tag, which YouTube advertises in
    | the page source - as recommended by TFA. Your feed reader
    | already knows what to do ;)
 
      | begriffs wrote:
      | Interesting, maybe it depends on the reader. I tried a
      | channel just now in newsboat and it wasn't smart enough to
      | find the feed, even though I see the page contains
      | 
 
        | rollcat wrote:
        | I use / have used: NetNewsWire (Mac/iOS), RSSGuard,
        | Miniflux, TheOldReader.com, TinyTinyRSS, and some others
        | I forgot about; I don't think I've seen one that doesn't
        | support this feature. Perhaps you should open a bug /
        | support request?
 
        | dannymi wrote:
        | It's in the body--but it's supposed to be in the head.
 
| thirdplace_ wrote:
| Related to this topic, I made a website/api that finds feeds for
| you:
| 
| https://discovery.thirdplace.no/?q=vimeo.com/user4464579
| 
| It's pretty rudimentary but alleviates some manual work.
 
| kevincox wrote:
| > Supported by Mozilla Firefox 2.0, Microsoft Internet Explorer
| 7.0 and other browsers
| 
| Unfortunately not supported by Mozilla Firefox 114 or Microsoft
| Edge.
| 
| It is still a very useful standard. I use
| https://github.com/Reeywhaar/want-my-rss to add the icon to my
| browser. Plus even without browser support this allows you to
| just paste an article into your Feed Reader and most will use
| autodiscovery to find the feed for you. However without a browser
| icon you need to guess and check.
 
| begriffs wrote:
| I still follow many RSS feeds (about 250). Sometimes it's hard to
| find the feed on a site, because the feeds aren't always
| advertised and their URLs can be tricky. Based on the URLs I've
| seen, I created a simple script to check if a site has a feed:
| 
| https://github.com/begriffs/findrss
 
| garganzol wrote:
| I suspect that Mozilla got pushed by Google to remove the built-
| in RSS support surrounding Google+ release.
| 
| See, decentralized content delivery such as RSS was not friendly
| enough to ads, so RSS had to be removed for better profits.
| 
| Needless to say that it was a nail in the coffin of internet
| information quality.
 
| mawise wrote:
| Most modern RSS feed-readers still use this `rel=alternate` link
| to allow users to just paste the URL of the site they want to
| subscribe to instead of forcing the users to look for and find
| the RSS link somewhere on the page. It's (surprisingly) very
| broadly implemented among sites and blogs that publish RSS.
 
| smusamashah wrote:
| Why Chrome to this date does not support RSS while all browsers
| that came before chrome had native support to at least read RSS
| xml files. Try opening any RSS xml feed in chrome, it will appear
| as plain XML.
| 
| I hold chrome responsible for decline of RSS.
 
| rmdes wrote:
| I'm a big fan of FreshRSS (self-hosted) and if I need more
| powerful feature (such as filtering, dedup, webhooks) I use
| Inoreader, I have been using at least one rss reader since 2003
| and there is no way silo's such as Twitter or others can do
| better than carefully curating ones own information feed.
 
  | toastal wrote:
  | I started self-hosting Miniflux as a New Year's resolution.
  | Very simple layout & integrates with Newsboat.
 
| zevv wrote:
| Yes, oh yes, please bring this back.
| 
| Firefox used to have this, I used it a lot. Am I that old?
| 
| Unfortunately live bookmarks have also gone away in Firefox,
| luckily I found an add-on for that.
 
  | kevincox wrote:
  | There is an addon for this too
  | https://github.com/Reeywhaar/want-my-rss (others available but
  | this is what I use).
  | 
  | Although I haven't seen an addon that handles SPA well. Ideally
  | it would monitor the DOM for links being added and removed.
  | Although that may be expensive to do in an extension.
 
| samwillis wrote:
| The '00s were such a wonderful time, the explosion in open access
| information, mashups (how I miss mashups!), easy publishing and
| the reach you could get from your sofa. RSS is the epitome of
| that, it's such a shame we have ended up with these walled garden
| social publishing platforms that lock _our_ content down.
| 
| This, adding the RSS icon to the address bar, was an inspired
| move to surface discoverability. Compare that with the fight to
| get Apple to surface the availability of PWAs!
| 
| The big thing that has changed since that time is the
| monetisation, these walled platforms have had to instigate
| revenue share with large creators. But still, the wish for a
| simpler more open web is in the background. There is evidence of
| a swing back that way (the fediverse, blue sky?), I just hope
| "big business" doesn't destroy it (the rumour of Facebook
| embracing the fediverse...).
| 
| RSS isn't dead, it's the backbone of podcasts, but it's such a
| shame our Twitter feed, our Facebook, or even our Twitch isn't
| available as RSS.
| 
| Back in '06, my "mashup" was a social feed aggregator, it gave
| you a single "homepage" with all your activity from Myspace,
| Facebook, Reddit, Digg, Flickr, and many other sites. A lot of
| that was built on RSS, and you could add any RSS fead to your
| page. Sadly it went nowhere, but I learnt a lot...
 
  | ozarker wrote:
  | I've been discovering different tools to make the content I
  | consume available via RSS. Some of those tools:
  | 
  | nitter: Alternative Twitter frontend that provides RSS feeds
  | 
  | teddit: Alternative Reddit frontend that provides RSS feeds
  | (Reddit itself still has RSS feeds, we'll see how that plays
  | out though)
  | 
  | rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different sites. I
  | use it for Twitch feeds.
  | 
  | invidious: Alternative YouTube frontend that provides RSS feeds
  | 
  | It's been refreshing to subscribe to the feeds I want to see
  | and not have "recommended" content stepping all over what I
  | want to see. Recent trends make me worried some of these
  | services are going to go away in the near future though.
 
    | nanna wrote:
    | Let's not forget https://hnrss.org for hacker news :)
    | 
    | Anyone know a way to pull email lists (eg mailman) via RSS
    | feeds?
 
      | polygamous_bat wrote:
      | "Kill the newsletter!" at https://kill-the-newsletter.com/
      | is one of my favorite tools that does exactly what you're
      | asking for!
 
      | WirelessGigabit wrote:
      | I just use https://news.ycombinator.com/rss
      | 
      | Best of both words. Allows me to go to the article and the
      | comments.
 
    | jjordan wrote:
    | Shout-out to the Livemarks / Foxish plugins which gives you
    | RSS support on your Bookmarks toolbar. Still nothing better
    | IMO for quickly browsing dozens of headlines across dozens of
    | sites.
    | 
    | Firefox: https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/ Chrome:
    | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/foxish-live-
    | rss/nb...
 
    | flir wrote:
    | > rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different
    | sites. I use it for Twitch feeds.
    | 
    | Now that sounds handy. Extensible, too.
 
    | ittner wrote:
    | > rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different
    | sites. I use it for Twitch feeds.
    | 
    | A bit of a shameless self-promotion plug: rss-bridge is great
    | but I wanted to do the same from a command line program
    | sending the output to stdout and without running a dedicated
    | local web server, so I wrote newslinkrss (
    | https://github.com/ittner/newslinkrss/ )
    | 
    | It allowed me to replace a bunch of dedicated scripts at the
    | cost of some complex command lines. It works pretty well for
    | people who prefer desktop news readers to web-based ones.
    | 
    | Feedback is welcome.
 
    | ecliptik wrote:
    | I have nitter, teddit, and piped setup similarly and it's
    | game changing having it all available through RSS.
 
    | nordsieck wrote:
    | > invidious: Alternative YouTube frontend that provides RSS
    | feeds
    | 
    | Youtube natively offers per-channel rss feeds.
 
      | ozarker wrote:
      | You're right It's there but they don't make it easy to get
      | a feed. I also like having a single feed with new vids from
      | every channel I'm subscribed to on invidious which I don't
      | think is possible on YouTube
 
      | ixwt wrote:
      | They do, kinda.
      | 
      | You have to go looking for it. In my testing only provides
      | the latest few videos, not the entire back catalog. But I
      | have a naive understanding of the RSS protocol I didn't see
      | how to get more because they didn't expose a "next" link
      | for the RSS feed.
 
        | [deleted]
 
        | aaronax wrote:
        | The only place I have ever seen a "next" link for an RSS
        | feed is WordPress. Sort of a pagination thing you can do
        | with the URL.
 
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