[HN Gopher] Zotero 6
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Zotero 6
 
Author : Schiphol
Score  : 472 points
Date   : 2022-03-17 18:05 UTC (4 hours ago)
 
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| WHA8m wrote:
| I'm with Zotero for about 2 weeks and I'm very much in love with
| it. I use it mainly to store and categorize downloaded Websites
| (SingelFile) and PDFs.
| 
| While a PDF viewer (and every functionality that comes with it)
| is greatly appreciated, I'd wish for same for html and other
| formats. That'd be overkill :)
| 
| One thing that I really miss and actual slows my process, is a
| proper tag-system. Something like Anki has: being able to make
| tag hierarchies by higher-tag::lower-tag. I'm a heavy tag-user
| and the overall experience with tags in Zotero is very average.
| But maybe I'm using this application for stuff that's not
| intended for.
| 
| Overall great project and surely something I'll donate a few
| bucks to the next time I'm on that spree. You guys doing gods
| work. Love it!
 
  | kkfx wrote:
  | I suggest to store them on de-duplicated filesystem or manually
  | run fdupes and co to hardlink any duplicate in your Zotero lib
  | because most modern websites are full of big js and zotero copy
  | them countless of time, if you have a non marginal set of
  | mirrored pages you probably waste more than 60% of occupied
  | storage just in duplicates...
 
| unixhero wrote:
| Anybody use this for business or consulting? I finished my thesis
| a long time ago.
 
  | ska wrote:
  | I've used it for a bunch of things in multiple companies, and
  | as a consultant.
  | 
  | On the other hand, my post-academic career has been still
  | pretty reasearch-y at times, so I read papers.
  | 
  | But I've used it to organize/track datasheets, whitepapers,
  | resumes, consulting inputs, etc.
 
| titlefixer wrote:
 
| aDfbrtVt wrote:
| The notes functionality along with the new iOS beta is amazing.
| Makes marking up papers on an iPad very convenient. I would
| encourage every who uses Zotero to sign up for a paid storage
| plan to help support development.
 
| synergy20 wrote:
| tried to do pdf annotation on linux, failed to figure out how PDF
| can be attached/added/opened with zotero.
 
| jimmygrapes wrote:
| I cannot tell from the changelog for this or the previous version
| whether Zotero has expanded its metadata and formatting
| capabilities to better support legal citations, so I guess I will
| stick to the Jurism[0] fork for now. If anybody knows of a better
| way to make this work in Zotero directly, I'm all ears.
| 
| [0]: https://juris-m.github.io/
 
  | zwayhowder wrote:
  | I have an extensive academic citation collection in multiple
  | languages, Juris M is way better for my needs.
  | 
  | I love the fact that open source software allows this but
  | sometimes I really wish they'd just incorporate the two.
 
  | Quanttek wrote:
  | It'd be so fantastic if the Zotero team could consider
  | integrating their changes. I know that many probably won't
  | necessarily need its advanced futures, but I see no risk of
  | confusion as it's easy to use and mostly hidden in the "case"
  | category.
 
| tedyoung wrote:
| OMG, I've been waiting for an iOS app for Zotero for so long.
| Yay!
 
| jrochkind1 wrote:
| As someone who writes web apps used by academics... I find it
| really hard to find documentationon on how to make my web
| site/app work well with zotero! They seem so used to more-or-less
| adversarial web development, that when we're like "We want to
| make this work as well as possible with zotero, like I'm going to
| spend development time doing that, can you give me some clear
| docs on my options?" -- I have trouble finding it. Like how can I
| make sure zotero can properly find an attached PDF, or citation
| info (including for list pages with multiple things cited) or
| whatever. Without requiring a custom zotero connector for my
| (tiny) site, how do I make my site just work? Many of my users
| definitely use zotero.
 
  | dstillman wrote:
  | https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/exposing_metadata
  | 
  | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
 
| worg wrote:
| Does anyone have some good learning resources for Zotero?
 
| jszymborski wrote:
| Truly amazing! I wonder if the iOS app in development will have
| all these note-taking features and work on iPad. If so, Zotero
| completely blows all of the competition out of the water at a
| price you can't really beat.
 
  | epiecs wrote:
  | It does. It even has webdav sync for the past few months. Just
  | subscribe to their testflight app and you can test the beta
  | right now :)
 
| Freak_NL wrote:
| Not just for scholarly reference management: Zotero is a great
| tool to keep track of the books you have if your personal library
| exceeds one or two Billies in volume. For books printed after
| 1970 the ISBN alone is enough to have it fetch the most relevant
| metadata for any book published anywhere from online catalogues.
| I find Zotero particularly useful when going to a book-fair; it
| is easy to export a list of titles and authors of books you own
| so you can easily reference it to see which books from a
| particular author or series you already have.
 
  | exhilaration wrote:
  | _one or two Billies in volume_
  | 
  | Possibly the most universal of all units of measurements. For
  | the uninitiated: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/billy-bookcase-
  | white-00263850/
 
    | cholmon wrote:
    | I've never heard "billy" used like this before now, thanks
    | for the clarification.
 
      | exhilaration wrote:
      | It transcends nation, culture, and language. _In the
      | future, we will measure the distance between the stars in
      | billies._
 
| account-5 wrote:
| I love zotero. Amazing software, indispensable. Want an easy way
| to integrate with pandoc and Zim-Wiki, I'm sure there's a way but
| I've not found it yet.
| 
| Either way this software is massively underrated.
| 
| EDIT
| 
| What's with the official iOS app and no Android?
 
  | criddell wrote:
  | > no Android?
  | 
  | iOS is probably their most important platform. If there are
  | enough users, I'd guess Android and Mobian apps will be
  | forthcoming.
 
| heurisko wrote:
| I used Zotero for its bibtex output. It worked really well.
 
| prepend wrote:
| I love zotero, and this isn't the web product, but I really wish
| I could share a link to a bibliography to someone. I have to
| export and send the text. I'd like to be able to share my Foo
| citation library with a colleague without making my whole account
| public.
| 
| Would also be great for systematic reviews.
 
  | ska wrote:
  | Couldn't you do that with a group library?
 
| oofbey wrote:
| Anybody using this know if it works well for iPad + pencil for
| scribbling notes on published research papers?
 
  | aDfbrtVt wrote:
  | The Apple Pencil support is still pretty rough, but it's been
  | getting better every update version. I've been using it for the
  | last couple of months.
 
  | mbreese wrote:
  | I haven't used their new iOS app, but it's a welcome addition.
  | In the past you had to sync your Zotero library with another
  | app for PDF annotation that was synced (papership). It was
  | never something I'd call robust or seamless and the papership
  | app has felt like abandonware.
  | 
  | I'm looking forward to trying the new app today.
 
  | xattt wrote:
  | The iOS app doesn't come up as the first result in the App
  | Store. Not sure if it's because Zotero isn't popular enough
  | yet.
  | 
  | Regardless, here is the direct link:
  | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/zotero/id1513554812
 
| bsmith89 wrote:
| I just tested the PDF reader out for about 5 minutes and I can
| already say it's substantially better for me on MacOS than any
| other PDF reader besides Preview. No glitching like Acrobat and
| the annotations features are more inline with what I want than
| Preview's are.
| 
| Very excited about this.
 
  | asleepawake wrote:
  | i agree it's great. some minor ux issues. for example if i
  | select text then click highlight it should highlight the
  | selected text. keyboard shortcuts for annotation would be
  | amazing.
 
| MisterBiggs wrote:
| After messing with the desktop version for a few minutes the note
| editor is weird. It doesn't modify the original pdf or the copy
| of the pdf it makes, the only way to get the highlights is to
| export it as a pdf. I expected something similar to Okular where
| edits would happen to the original file and update on ctrl-s.
| 
| Other than that the editor is very well done!
 
  | [deleted]
 
| pdevr wrote:
| Looks good, from whatever I have seen and read. I am going to
| give this a try.
| 
| A question to those who have used Zotero: Can I opt to store
| everything on the local device and have zero data transferred to
| the server? Is there any kind of control over what is stored
| locally and what is sent to the servers?
 
  | dragonstyle wrote:
  | My recollection is that it is all local by default. If you
  | don't specifically connect to their web service for syncing
  | data, none of the data is stored outside your local device.
 
  | hwbehrens wrote:
  | By default, you can use Zotero without logging in, which will
  | cause it to keep everything locally. It's not obvious how you
  | might go about partially syncing to the cloud, however.
  | 
  | In practice, though you shouldn't store the SQLite in a cloud
  | sync service, setting up a symbolic link for the backing PDFs
  | in e.g. Dropbox works quite well and gives you more control
  | over your data syncing. Then, you only need to rely on their
  | cloud for the paper titles and metadata.
 
| tomrod wrote:
| Easily one of my favorite software solutions.
| 
| I've tried EndNote. It's awful. Zotero is awesome!
 
| behnamoh wrote:
| Duplicate
 
| liketochill wrote:
| I'm still using qiqqa for my open source pdf search engine but
| the qiqqa team has moved on. Qiqqa has been a secret weapon for
| me in pulling up relevant paragraphs from research papers,
| ebooks, and standards that I have previously saved but not fully
| read.
 
  | jcuenod wrote:
  | I made my own (specifically for my Zotero pdf library):
  | https://github.com/search?q=user%3Ajcuenod+pdf
  | 
  | https://jcuenod.github.io/bibletech/2021/07/26/full-text-sea...
 
| Tenoke wrote:
| I recently found my mendeley app doesn't work anymore (they've
| discontinued it) so I decided to try Zotero. To my surprise they
| have 3 Android apps.. none of which work and a bookmarklet which
| also doesn't work. Has anyone found a way to easily save papers
| on Android?
 
  | fcheslack wrote:
  | You can save urls or identifiers to your library from
  | https://www.zotero.org/save or using the magic wand icon in
  | your web library.
  | 
  | We just stopped linking to the bookmarklet on the download
  | page. Unfortunately browsers no longer support them well if at
  | all.
  | 
  | There is an open job post for an Android developer, but none of
  | the existing Android apps are first party.
  | 
  | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
 
| jabl wrote:
| Is it still based on the XUL platform?
 
  | [deleted]
 
  | hoistbypetard wrote:
  | The Linux tarball still looks like XULRunner to me.
 
| bluenose69 wrote:
| I've been using this in beta for quite a while. The PDF reader is
| really very good, and I love the fact that my highlights and
| notes are not added to the actual PDF file. (I don't want to mess
| up the original PDF file, because I like to keep those files in
| pristine form so that e.g. I can share them with students.)
| 
| Some people here are asking about paying for storage for the
| PDFs. My solution to this is to store my PDFs using Dropbox, and
| to use _links_ in Zotero. That way, even if I give up on Zotero,
| I still have the files. And I already pay for Dropbox, and just
| don 't want one more bill to pay.
| 
| And, woohoo, an iOS app! That's very sweet.
 
  | ska wrote:
  | If you sync your library to at least one device, you'll still
  | have all the files anyway if you stop paying - you just won't
  | be able to sync them anymore. The metadata will all still by
  | synced.
  | 
  | The dropbox/onedrive/etc. approach works, but honestly I find
  | it easier to share files from a group library (they don't need
  | a paid account) and keeps structure etc. there also....
 
  | lhoff wrote:
  | Zotero also offers out it the box WebDAV Support for file sync.
  | I use that to sync files using my Nextcloud. Once it is set up,
  | everything works behind the scenes.
  | 
  | https://www.zotero.org/support/sync
 
  | jcuenod wrote:
  | My solution to your dropbox trick has been:
  | https://jcuenod.github.io/bibletech/2020/06/14/zotero-github...
 
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| Consider supporting Zotero through a subscription for their
| online storage.
 
| rockmemozart wrote:
| The only thing holding me back from using Zotero is that, afaik,
| you need to use a Zotero account to reliably sync metadata
| between devices (the Zotero Data Server isn't supported). I wish
| it was easier to self-host; there's no reason for me to interact
| with their servers.
| 
| It's always a disappointment to find otherwise great open source
| projects that have key components that deny privacy.
 
  | jancsika wrote:
  | Can you export/import the data to/from devices?
 
  | lamontcg wrote:
  | I sync the data with syncthing, seems to work fine.
 
  | sva_ wrote:
  | Hint: You can sync the library for free by making an account.
  | You need the "Zotero Storage" only if you want to sync the
  | files as well. However, you can simply sync the folder
  | ~/Zotero/storage using SyncThing. You could also use WebDAV,
  | but SyncThing is just so much easier (set up & forget). The
  | IDs/Metadata is consistent among syncs. :)
  | 
  | Of course, that doesn't resolve the privacy concerns, but
  | personally idc about that.
  | 
  | edit: It seems like you might be able to sync everything by
  | just putting ~/Zotero/ into something like SyncThing, avoiding
  | the Zotero servers. But you'd probably have to be careful only
  | opening the app after syncing has been completed. I haven't
  | tested this though.
 
    | d110af5ccf wrote:
    | This is completely missing the point of GP. You can't (unless
    | something has changed) sync metadata without using their
    | servers. webdav is for the data, not the metadata. If you
    | don't personally care about privacy, fine, but that's
    | irrelevant here.
    | 
    | Replicating the local Zotero folder across devices won't
    | properly sync the metadata in the face of concurrent changes.
    | 
    | If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would have just
    | used a proprietary product to begin with. It's an incredibly
    | disappointing situation to have dragged on like this for so
    | many years.
    | 
    | Edit: Looks like nothing has changed.
    | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29774935
 
    | epiecs wrote:
    | If you have a synology nas you can also easily install the
    | webdav server and use that :)
 
  | SubiculumCode wrote:
  | Yes, I wish they supported the server instance. Still, I don't
  | mind subscribing to their syncing because it is probably the
  | project's main source of revenue; although I am not for certain
  | about that.
 
  | _hzw wrote:
  | Zotero supports WebDAV and I was using it with box.com without
  | any troubles for years. What lured me to switch to Zotero's
  | sync and cloud storage in the end, though, is the group library
  | function.
 
| thentherewere2 wrote:
| As a current Mendeley user, any thoughts on what I should expect
| if I want to start using Zotero?
 
| hoistbypetard wrote:
| Wow. I opened the Linux tarball and had a look around... what a
| blast from the past. It looks like this is built on XULRunner and
| friends. I had the impression that platform had slipped into such
| disrepair that it was no longer practical to ship products based
| on it.
| 
| It looks tremendously useful, though. If it had been around when
| I was in school, I suspect I'd have found it indispensable.
 
| mijoharas wrote:
| Is anyone else getting horrible stuttering when scrolling that
| page? (I happen to be on mobile with a bad connection right now,
| but it's so bad it makes the page almost unreadable)
 
  | WHA8m wrote:
  | I've been visiting said website on my iOS and hadn't had any
  | issues. Maybe re-check your side on some problem
 
| hs86 wrote:
| How good is Zotero as a bookmark manager similar to Pinboard.in
| or Raindrop.io? Both have a paid feature that stores a permanent
| copy of a site, but these are stored only on their servers, and
| Pinboard's archive download feature never worked for me.
 
  | btrettel wrote:
  | I've used Zotero for over a decade to save webpages. It works
  | fine in my experience, though I'd prefer if Zotero saved all
  | the assets in a single file.
 
  | cxr wrote:
  | Zotero uses SingleFile. (Side note, this is, as far as I know,
  | a destructive process--you can't recover the original bits. It
  | would be interesting if Zotero switched to SingleFileZ and
  | there were a sidecar file embedded in the ZIP container that
  | would let you reverse the transformations to get the originals
  | back out--or just store them directly.)
  | 
  | Zotero's snapshots work well enough on most pages you'd care to
  | throw at it in an academic context. Your mileage may vary if
  | you're using it as a general bookmarks manager, owing to the
  | amount of client-side scripting-driven chicanery on the Web
  | today. Notable example that I've found that Zotero didn't
  | handle well at one point: Medium (although the data was there--
  | the saved copy just wouldn't render correctly in-browser when
  | opened; this doesn't appear to be an issue anymore for new
  | snapshots, at least for now).
  | 
  | For most stuff that I want to have a durable URL for but that I
  | feel doesn't merit being in my Zotero library, I just use
  | ordinary browser bookmarks and make sure that the Wayback
  | Machine and/or archive.is has a copy.
  | 
  | HN is also fond of Wallabag and ArchiveBox:
  | 
  | -
  | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  | 
  | -
  | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
 
| ulnarkressty wrote:
| Anybody have any tips on self-hosted Zotero? Org doesn't like the
| metadata syncing. Other option would be Mendeley Enterprise which
| is supposedly more secure but not a great experience overall.
 
  | sva_ wrote:
  | Not self hosted, but see my comment
  | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30714926
  | 
  | Then you may use the Better BibTeX plugin to get your library
  | into Org.
 
| mikepurvis wrote:
| If I still was doing firmware dev, I could imagine this being
| amazing for dealing with datasheets, especially when shuffling
| between multiple parts all with their own descriptions of
| intended functionality, errata, and so-on.
 
| punnerud wrote:
| Zotero is hiring (16 days ago here on HN):
| https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dstillman
 
| noodlesUK wrote:
| Zotero is one of those pieces of open source software that has
| really improved my life. I first discovered it as a teenager and
| it revolutionised writing papers and managing sources. Sadly I
| don't find myself using it that much in my job.
| 
| I always got a kick out of introducing it to my friends in the
| humanities and blowing their minds. I have no idea how anyone
| writes papers without zotero or another similar tool. Keep up the
| good work.
 
  | BolexNOLA wrote:
  | Honestly I haven't thought about it since undergrad (history
  | major), I didn't realize it was still kicking. I might have to
  | fire it back up!
 
    | asdff wrote:
    | You can even use it as a general knowledge repository since
    | you can save anything on zotero pretty much, not just journal
    | articles.
 
      | jrochkind1 wrote:
      | Mostly just PDFs? Or are there good ways to save non-PDF
      | content?
 
        | jarvist wrote:
        | The web plugin actually falls back to 'web page with
        | snapshot' if it can't detect a journal paper, which in
        | many ways is better than trying to drag around big PDF
        | binaries.
 
        | jrochkind1 wrote:
        | Thanks! I've used zotero only minimally, mostly to
        | support users of my software who use zotero, rather than
        | using it myself for my own purposes.
        | 
        | Is the "web plugin" something built into zotero, or an
        | extra plugin to install? Calling it "plugin" makes it
        | sound like something extra to install, but not finding it
        | easily googling. Help me out?
 
        | lhoff wrote:
        | I think OP talks about the Zotero Connector Browser
        | Plugin. So its not a plugin for zotero but your browser
        | (Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Edge are supported) The
        | plugin ads a button to the Browser where you can add the
        | currently viewed page to your database. It even tries to
        | detect references to papers or other content and choose
        | the matching entry type. Eg on Google Scholar you can
        | choose which search result you want to add. It its a PDF
        | the file gets saved to your zotero database.
        | 
        | All in all very handy.
 
  | jjoonathan wrote:
  | Agreed.
  | 
  | What really blows my mind is how many of my academically
  | inclined friends manage (and cloud sync) a big library of
  | pirated papers using a rival piece of software owned by a major
  | rights holder of said pirated papers. I mean... there's a good
  | chance nothing will come of it, but it just seems like tempting
  | fate. Zotero isn't just good enough, it's so good that the
  | choice is completely trivial IMO!
  | 
  | Thanks, Zotero :)
 
    | SubiculumCode wrote:
    | I've converted all my colleagues to Zotero, even though the
    | University has contracted subscriptions to EndNote et al.
    | Zotero is just better. I wish that the UC System would
    | contract with Zotero for their mutual benefit.
 
      | jessriedel wrote:
      | There's no sales team at Zotero to interface with the UC
      | behemoth...
 
| sam537 wrote:
| This just made my day.
 
| jart wrote:
| I love the name. As soon as I saw this link at the top of HN, the
| Totoro theme started playing in my head.
| https://youtu.be/p1KVuFStqEM
 
| 999900000999 wrote:
| Any OCR support?
| 
| I literally pay 20$ a month to fill out PDFs
 
  | computer23 wrote:
  | Checkout the ocrmypdf project:
  | 
  | https://ocrmypdf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
 
    | 999900000999 wrote:
    | Thank you for sharing this awesome project!
    | 
    | I'm probably stuck using Adobe for now, just because for
    | anything really important you can't rely on anything aside
    | from the official Adobe PDF editor to not screw things up.
    | Up. But I absolutely love your project, I can imagine this
    | would work great for academics.
    | 
    | You can automate much of your research between machine
    | learning and directly reading PDFs. Many older publications
    | don't have searchable text at all, and searchable text is a
    | lifesaver when you're doing research.
 
    | jcuenod wrote:
    | +1
 
  | ska wrote:
  | Do you mean for searchability? There is an indexing tool built
  | in, IIRC built from xpdf tooling.
 
| TheCabin wrote:
| I used Zotero quite a bit in the past, the thing that ultimately
| drove me away is that when synchronizing you couldn't easily
| access the PDFs just via the filesystem. I use a nextcloud and
| also wanted to access PDFs from devices without Zotero installed
| and this turned out to be a pain at the time. Is this possible
| with more recent Zotero versions? Is the sync still cumbersome
| with a zotero account + self-hosted webdav?
 
  | _aavaa_ wrote:
  | I have a similar setup (Zotero + dropbox). Zotero syncs the
  | entries and any notes, but dropbox takes care of the pdf
  | storage. You can swap out dropbox for your storage of choice.
  | 
  | I use zotfile (http://zotfile.com) to handle this.
  | 
  | Files are all stored in a single folder (which can be in
  | different locations depending on computer) which I point
  | zotfile to. Inside that each paper is put into a folder based
  | on author names. And each pdf is then renamed based on authors,
  | year, and title.
  | 
  | All of the above is customizable and automated.
 
    | kristjansson wrote:
    | I can't recommend ZotFile enough. It, along with Zotero, have
    | basically solved cross-platform cross-device reading and
    | reference management for me.
 
    | jcuenod wrote:
    | Another +1 for Zotfile, but Z6 looks like it bakes in some of
    | zotfile's features.
 
  | AlanYx wrote:
  | There is a plugin called Zotfile that makes this easier.
  | 
  | But in some ways Zotero 6 makes filesystem workflows more
  | complicated, in that PDF annotations don't get stored as actual
  | annotations in the PDFs.
 
    | asdff wrote:
    | You don't have to use their system, you can just use your
    | standard pdf viewer too.
 
  | iamcreasy wrote:
  | You can still access the pdf file via the file system by right
  | clicking on the item and 'show file'. The files names may not
  | be user friendly though.
 
    | ska wrote:
    | There is handy functionality to rename pdf files based on
    | parent metadata. I think you can set this up to be done
    | automatically on import too.
    | 
    | This is great to have consistent filenames from lots of
    | different sources. Of course if the metadata is wrong or
    | missing, it won't help.
 
    | dynamic_sausage wrote:
    | zotfile plugin, mentioned above in this thread, makes file
    | names user friendly.
 
| bachmeier wrote:
| This looks really nice. Zotero has never stuck with me for some
| reason but I last used it a few years ago. I'll try again.
| 
| One problem with this type of service is that there's usually a
| huge jump from unpaid to paid, but the jump to the lowest paid
| tier of Zotero lets you pay $20/year for 2 GB of storage. I can
| handle that. I have more difficulty with the $15/month and
| $90/year and such paid tiers. Even at $20/year, that comes to
| $100 after five years for what is largely a donation to support
| development.
 
  | ska wrote:
  | One probably non-obvious thing is that the $100/yr ish
  | unlimited storage tier includes everything you do as a user
  | _including shared libraries_.
  | 
  | So if you have a group of people working together in a group
  | library, one shared library subscription covers all of them. It
  | doesn't take many people to make this worthwhile.
  | 
  | And as you say, it's a good way to support a great project. I
  | do it even when I'm not really using the software.
 
    | bachmeier wrote:
    | > I do it even when I'm not really using the software.
    | 
    | I'll drop a one-time donation of $10 or $18 or something
    | largely independent of my use - or even if I don't use it at
    | all. I don't treat it as a purchase, though I can understand
    | that others do.
 
  | folli wrote:
  | >...comes to $100 ... for what is largely a donation to support
  | development.
  | 
  | That's not that bad for a useful product, is it?
 
    | bachmeier wrote:
    | No, but I'm saying it's enough. The $90/year service comes to
    | $450 over five years, and that's definitely too much.
 
  | greenicon wrote:
  | You can use just the metadata sync by them and sync the actual
  | files with e.g. webdav or syncthing or whatever. That way it's
  | free.
 
    | bachmeier wrote:
    | If I use it, I'll pay them. I can use the savings from all
    | the VC-subsidized software I don't have to pay for.
 
| Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote:
| I've been using this for years. Zotero is great. It's not
| perfect, like you still need add-ons to properly support bibtex
| for latex users, like myself. It would be alot better if this was
| a fully integrated part of the base zotero platform. But it works
| and I like it.
 
| layer8 wrote:
| I see there's an iOS app in beta. Will that require using Zotero
| Storage, or will there be integration with Files, or directly
| with other storage providers (Dropbox etc.)?
 
| ricksunny wrote:
| I hoped they've fixed Google Docs stability (deactivating GDocs'
| Work Offline is supposed to help with this, we'll see..) as well
| as reducing the time for a bibliography update when the number of
| citations is over 100 - it's currently taking 20+ seconds
| (happening in the background as I write)
 
  | ricksunny wrote:
  | And even still encountering the dreaded "these citations have
  | become unlinked from Zotero" - this is the equivalent of the
  | blue-screen-of-death for OS's . . . maybe Zotero should focus
  | on improving this stability rather than new feature build-out
  | and I would be come a paying customer/member?
 
| murphyslab wrote:
| The annotation features will definitely help Zotero to keep
| relevant, but Zotero still desperately needs a better option for
| saving websites. The ability to save sites, via browser
| extension, as a single file (MHTML or even HTML-only) has been an
| open request since 2007.
| 
| - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/919/ (2007)
| 
| - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/33516/ (2013)
| 
| - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/68378/ (2017)
 
  | dstillman wrote:
  | Zotero has saved webpage snapshots as single HTML files since
  | November 2020. We're using SingleFile under the hood.
  | 
  | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
 
    | murphyslab wrote:
    | I'd been watching the changelogs for it intermittently and
    | never caught it. Guessing that this is you:
    | https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/85306/available-for-
    | bet...
    | 
    | My apologies for the erroneous comment and massive THANKS!
    | for adding that feature.
 
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