element for things like | columns, tables, images, iframes. Full Site Editing has been | "coming soon" for a while however. | | But even so, Wordpress (or Wix or Squarespace) isn't offering the | "Clippy meets PowerPoint" level of drag and drop that can result | in fun sites. For example, rotating an element so it appears a | little off-centre and askew isn't supported out of the box in WP | Gutenberg. You have to be able to edit your CSS file to do this. | Whereas in PowerPoint, you can rotate and scale elements easily. | tzekid wrote: | All apple gestures (pinch to zoom, 2 finger swipe for navigation) | don't work at all. That's kind of a deal breaker for me ... | mat111 wrote: | I would rather pay $79 USD a month for this than what I get with | leadpages that I mostly use for easy editing/creation. One click | editing was awesome right on the homepage. Love this and can | imagine using it for a number of quick things. | | If I were leadpages or a similar company I'd buy this outright | right now before y'all build up your own community and the price | reflects that. | | If you're thinking of a model I'd suggest doing pay per export | for source code/external host, let people build & then export | full css/html/etc for like $9 a project. Keep the hosted on your | domain free or mostly free and you'll make an industry of people | who will justify the small project cost for the time savings of a | true drag & drop editor | xhfloz wrote: | hey! want to DM me @xhfloz, or email me at xh at mmm dot page | -- would love to discuss this with you | uncomputation wrote: | > export full css/html/etc for like $9 a project | | What about View Page Source > mypage.html? I like the idea of | paying per project somehow but this particular method seems not | strong | canada_dry wrote: | > I'd pay $79 USD a month for this | | Uh... wow. | throwaway_isms wrote: | https://mmm.page/Geocities.Geocities | mfkp wrote: | The layout is ... slightly broken on Edge browser on Android. | (And zoom is disabled) | | https://i.imgur.com/2RoR52Y.jpg | dubcanada wrote: | This is so cool! I found it extremely easy to edit a site on | mobile, which is probably the hardest thing to get right. | | Very well done! | | One note though, keyboard shortcuts don't work (pressing delete | after clicking on a element doesn't delete it for example) | dalmo3 wrote: | Just a tiny detail that all pages return 404, even though they | open fine. | seabass wrote: | Is there anywhere we can view examples or demo sites? | Closi wrote: | I 100% love it - this is super fun! | heuristo wrote: | This is really fun and cool. I haven't said that about a web tool | in years. I think some other outfit, maybe it was ".me" or | something had something personal but it wasn't fun. Great job! | Hope you can keep it going! | readingnews wrote: | This does feel quite myspace-y, but the burning question would | be... is this all just like myspace. e.g. if I leave or spend | hours creating something, it is nearly impossible to move it or | back it up to something else? | syx wrote: | Great stuff! love the idea, design and animations are slick! | Everything is so simple and smooth! | | A few things that come to my mind if you'd like to continue | developing this project: | | - if a user enters a link to a subpage owned by the same user I | think there shouldn't be a `target="_blank"` | | - maybe add a button to disable the layout red lines tips as it | could get annoying when you have lots of overlapped objects, | although it might be an edge case [1] | | - one minor advice is some folks are probably going to complain | about collection of the user emails for the sign-up so I'd | suggest making some privacy policy just to be transparent. | | [1] https://mmm.page/simone.computer | hailpixel wrote: | I love this app's approach to responsive design: just show the | "safe" area and let people throw elements where ever. So | liberating. | Nullabillity wrote: | Eh, as a desktop user it sucks to still get the same | patronising and space-wasting mobile design. | Gys wrote: | First impression is very good. However, it requires signup to | actually try / use. I have several websites, but currently have | no need for such so I just left again. Probably to never return | because I never remember sites that I only visit a few seconds. | Would be better to let my try and get me hooked, to get ideas for | remodeling one of my existing websites. | john-doe wrote: | > it requires signup to actually try / use | | Just hit the bottom right "edit" button | AltF4me wrote: | Nice. Maybe edit should be the CTA rather than sign up? | Kuraj wrote: | I would have never discovered it if it wasn't for your | comment | Gys wrote: | Thanks. Saw it but did not click because I thought it to be | for chat. | aetherspawn wrote: | I found it amusing that the 'stroke' tab of the sticker presets | gives you a variety of random brush strokes, smudges etc. | | It also gives you a single sticker of a brain flashing 'aphasia', | which is a literal type of medical stroke that causes brain | damage and possibly insensitive on that tab! | jtvjan wrote: | Looks like it just searches giphy.com for transparent GIFs. | dana321 wrote: | Really cool stuff, here is my microsite i made for the music i | made that i uploaded to youtube: https://mmm.page/danstar.main | rchaud wrote: | If I could make a suggestion, I'd be more likely to click on | the video links if you added a little bit about yourself. | | Where are you from? What music inspired you? Why did you choose | to remix this or that song? | | I did click anyway as I'm a fan of the Prodigy and saw a | Climbatize remix. | yawnxyz wrote: | that's incredible! Good job bringing back the fun of Geocities | yet making everything modern | osetinsky wrote: | this is excellent - great work! | domano wrote: | I love it! Especially the editability of the landing page itself! | | I really hope this takes off - so much more creativity-inducing | than squarespace or whatever! | | Does not really work for me since i am not really the target | audience, but i really hope this gets a lot of exposure. | maxehmookau wrote: | Wait.... did Hacker News just create Geocities? | slmjkdbtl wrote: | upvote for the "messy encouraged" a lot of times tools decide how | the works will generally look like, hope people can really make | something wildly different with this | Deukhoofd wrote: | It looks very nice! I played around with it a bit, and one of the | main things I missed is some kind of hierarchy/grouping. | | If some text is inside a box, and I drag the box around I'd want | the text to move with it. Currently I have to drag each | individual part of a group to move it. | kickscondor wrote: | Too fun! https://mmm.page/kicks.condor | | Anyone else making a page out there? | b212 wrote: | That Recycle Bin though... Simply perfect. | digitalsin wrote: | https://mmm.page/keith.main | swyx wrote: | https://mmm.page/swyx.io | mvexel wrote: | https://mmm.page/maps.main | vesche wrote: | https://mmm.page/vesche.main | Rphad wrote: | https://mmm.page/Rphad.yolo | Aulig wrote: | Hey - you shouldn't hate yourself. I'll gladly be your fan :) | kickscondor wrote: | Yay! (>=*<=) Let's see how long this lasts. | tmountain wrote: | https://mmm.page/chedraui.main | xhfloz wrote: | Hey HN! Been thinking about something like this for a long time, | and finally decided to work on it three months ago. Excited to | show everyone today! | | . | | -------- TLDR -------- | | I built a website builder (works on desktop & mobile) that makes | it easy to create automatically-responsive, collage-like websites | -- websites that allow you to overlap text, images, GIFs, YouTube | videos, etc. etc. | | Check it out @ https://build.mmm.page | | Feel free to RT | https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1392438711367909376 to help :) | | . | | -------- Nitty Gritty Details -------- | | * Every page is automatically responsive (a demonstration of how | is shown on the homepage). | | * Allow text, images, GIFs, shapes, YouTube videos to start (much | more planned). | | * Everybody gets their own URL/namespace @ mmm.page/USERNAME | | * _Actual_ drag and drop! No grid-locking (though there are | layout alignment guides). | | * Tiny cool thing -- try pinching and zooming on your touchpad | (rotate works on Safari too). | | . | | -------- Motivation -------- | | There seems to be fewer and fewer personal websites -- many of | which now look increasingly similar -- and, yet, more people than | ever have some Graphic Design Lite experience (a la Snapchat & | Instagram), so I figured, it could be interesting to see websites | made with a similar style, WYSIWYG composer as Snapchat/IG. | (That, and the math to do these layouts manually is always too | much hassle for me.) | | . | | -------- Updates to Come -------- | | A lot still needs to be done, but wanted to share today to gather | some feedback -- hope you find it useful! | | Feel free to follow me on Twitter for updates | (https://twitter.com/xhfloz) | | . | | -- XH (https://mmm.page/xh.main) | john-doe wrote: | Something that could be great, and aligns with the general | "collage" vibe, would be to allow (sandboxed) iframes... | | (by the way, I'm glad you're using "nocookie" for youtube) | densekernel wrote: | Awesome! On trend with the aesthetic. | | How did you accomplish the responsiveness with such a flexible | layout? | kickscondor wrote: | Not the creator, but looking at the source - everything is | sized using 'rem' units. (Height, width, positioning of all | the elements.) Kind of like using a percentage. | style="height: 0.160992rem; width: 1.00383rem; left: 0.5rem; | top: 0.273827rem; ..." | | This can be used because `font-size` on the root html tag is | set to the width in pixels of the screen - or 600px maximum. | | And then font sizes for all the elements are specified | individually. | input_sh wrote: | FYI nothing happens after clicking on Chaos Monkey - Proceed. I | thought it was because uBO blocks sentry requests, but even | when whitelisted, requests are made, but nothing happens. | dangoor wrote: | I'd love to be able to use this sort of editor to produce a | static site that I control. My websites are currently static | and deployed via netlify, but it would be awesome to create | some pages with a tool like this. | eevahr wrote: | Very cool, interested to see whats behind the editor! | delibes wrote: | It looks fun. Well done! | | One thought I had ... it'd be useful if you can add some | features to support accessibility. | michaelbrooks wrote: | Awesome work, I really like what you're doing with this. | | I created my own personal page and followed each of the steps. | However, I can't update the email, Twitter and IG links on each | button. Am I missing something, or is this a bug? I'm on | desktop using FF. | easton wrote: | Those buttons are filler buttons, you have to drag a new | button out to customize it (it showed a message about this | for me, perhaps the developer updated it since your comment?) | michaelbrooks wrote: | Ah, I must have missed that and deleted the label. Thank | you so much for your help. | HugoDaniel wrote: | awesome work! I love the flow, the simple concept of | toolbar+modals for the UI, the premade sensible options. Oh and | those menus and icons are very cool, did you use any special | frontend framework? | | anyway, keep it up! this is great :) | SamWhited wrote: | I hate making a new login that I have to remember for things I | might not even use. It would be nice if you could create the | website _first_ , then only sign up if you liked it and wanted to | save it. This stops me from testing cool looking projects like | this all the time :( | | EDIT: that being said, I _love_ that you can edit the landing | page itself, that at least gives me some idea of how it works, | although then if I turn it into something interesting I have to | start over when I sign up. | [deleted] | PinkPigeon wrote: | So I think this is an excellent point. I'd love to do something | like that for my product as well. | | However, there are a few considerations, some of bigger | consequence than others: | | - How do you keep users from losing their data when they leave | and come back? Cookies with an ID are a brittle solution. You | could have a unique link, where the user's work is saved right | up until they want to register | | - How do you deal with the inevitable onslaught of people using | an open system? If you're bootstrapping like me, I don't think | I could possibly handle the influx of an HN frontpage's worth | of people simultaneously hammering the system | | - When do you clean house? You won't necessarily know whether | someone wants to build a site, disappear for a month and then | come back to it. Feels unlikely, but it's still possible. | | All of this would be solved by having (at the very least) a | quick email-only signup, which auto-generates a password and a | welcome email, but also takes you straight into the system. | It's a small barrier to entry, but perhaps one that's worth | putting in place to avoid hammering the server(s) too much? | | What do you think of video content showing off the system, | could that help as a sort of interim solution? | szhu wrote: | You could require a login after someone has added at least 5 | objects and/or spent at least 5 minutes making edits. This | makes sure that if data is lost, it's nothing that can't be | easily recreated. | | After at least 30 seconds of activity, you can display a | prominent banner at the top of the page that says "make a | free account to ensure your work is saved". Then it's clear | that your ability to retrieve their data upon their next | visit is a favor and not something they're obligated to. It's | not exactly the same, but you can look at CoderPad's sandbox | notice as inspiration for how to word this: | https://app.coderpad.io/launch-sandbox (Note: you'll only be | able to make one sandbox per cookie, so visit this in | incognito mode) | | To address scaling, you can probably limit the total number | of "logged-out users" who are currently editing. If more | users visit the site during the same time period, require | them to make an account, just like you are now. If you're | worried about users expecting a playground and getting | confused, you can look at Google Docs's "This is getting a | lot of traffic, you're in read only mode" notice that appears | when more than 50 people are visiting a doc as an example of | how explain the situation in an easily understandable way. | | Now that you've properly set user expectations, you can clean | house whenever and it should be okay. | | btw, I just tried out this tool and I think it's awesome for | a lot of the reasons mentioned in the top replies. Hope some | of this is helpful + wishing you best of luck! | gameshot911 wrote: | These are all really good, creative ideas! | SamWhited wrote: | I never watch videos personally, but that's more because most | of them are terrible and don't help than anything (they | either just talk about it and never show the actual product, | or take 5 minutes introducing themselves before the 1 minute | demo, etc.). I'm sure it could be done right though, but I'd | bet other people have also been trained not to click videos. | | The email gate sounds good (except don't generate a password | that will then be visible in plain text, generate a one-time | login that can't be reused after a certain amount of time and | give the user the option to set a password later if they want | one); sites could expire after a bit and a real account | (where the site doesn't expire) could only be created if/when | the user chooses to create a password and you can't save or | use features that could trigger emails until you've verified | your email or something. | debaserab2 wrote: | Serializing the user's session state to LocalStorage comes to | mind as a reasonable solution. Comes with it's own caveats, | of course (you now have a state versioning problem), but | addresses all the points you bring up pretty adequately: | | 1. As long as their on the same device/browser, they lose | zero data. This is a pretty reliable happy-path use case. | | 2. The only onslaught you'll deal with is simple pageviews | since everything in the trial is stored client side, which | also makes #3 no problem. | WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: | Hit the edit button, bottom right for a small sample. | | Agree on onboarding. | | You also have to re-enter your email after you click your email | link which was annoying. | | But... this is 100% nitpicking. I think they crushed launch at | making this appealing. | flanbiscuit wrote: | > Hit the edit button, bottom right for a small sample. | | I didn't even notice that! What a cool idea to be able to | test out the site by editing the home page itself | WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: | Would be disgusting chaos but also would be cool to let | anyone edit the page so it is forever changing -- obviously | working out the issues of blocking/hiding texts. | | Or social, imagine how much fun it would be to leave | stickers/stamps on approved friend's websites. | [deleted] | herunan wrote: | I really do hope this 'scrappy' approach to websites keeps | growing. Bit tired of the homogenisation of the web lately. | The_rationalist wrote: | I miss geocities.. | alexobenauer wrote: | This is fantastic. Nice work. | | Just because of Geocities-era sites, I really wanted there to be | graphical visit counter elements I could add to a page. | shtack wrote: | This is awesome, I've been looking for something like this | (particularly for mobile) for a while. One small issue I came | across is a photo I uploaded came out with the wrong aspect ratio | and I can't seem to fix it. | G4BB3R wrote: | I played for a few minutes, and when I refreshed my page my | entire progress was lost. | BeniBoy wrote: | Looks great, but little bug on my system (Firefox 87 for Android | 11), scroll does not work.. But on my computer, it sure looks | good, will recommend to my less tech-savy friends! | xhfloz wrote: | can you try it again? this should be resolved | BeniBoy wrote: | Yep, it's fixed. Congrats on the launch! | Rphad wrote: | Damn, I didn't think I'd spend so much time on it, it's awesome. | There are basic features lacking imo but it's great ! Oh and you | can check my page here : https://mmm.page/Rphad.yolo | jimbler wrote: | This is going to get some love. Its the right product | insight(even the simplest template driven sites are too hard once | you get past the basics). You're working off a good consumer | insight ("i _want_ this site to look very different "). I like | the details (chaos monkey). Super simple to understand and use. | PeterBarrett wrote: | Great alternative to the likes of linktree. Nice and intuitive | too. | gwph wrote: | This is so much more expressive than the other wysiwyg editors | I've used. Great job! | lalo2302 wrote: | Great stuff! I'd recommend making the "Edit" button a bit more | noticeable, took me a while to find it. | | Also do you have planned custom domains? | | Great job! | digitalsin wrote: | This is a lot of fun! | adventured wrote: | Messed with editing the landing page for a bit. I like it, well | done. Editing is intuitive, not much of a hassle. Things react & | do what I expect they should. | | As others have mentioned, definitely add a random mmm link, to | see other mmms, or otherwise add a spotlight to show off what | people can / have done with it. | | Also make it more obvious you can edit the landing page, maybe | provide a clickable link in the text that points out that you can | edit the page (below the signup button at the top). And then | provide a blank canvas page where people can screw around; if | they like their mess, they can sign up and save it. | dmje wrote: | Love it. | prismatix wrote: | Really awesome tool and just what I was looking for. As someone | with a design background, I do miss some tools that I'm used to | having - like the eyedropper for example. One thing that would be | cool to see in iteration would be responsiveness instead of just | showing the mobile cutoff, but overall for a first-pass I think | this is a great tool! Nice job. | CyanDeparture wrote: | After reading that article on Corporate Memphis yesterday, I | can't decribe how much I love the design of this landing page. | Jonovono wrote: | It's cool, but whats your main draw over E.gg by Instagram or | Universe Web Builder | kickscondor wrote: | e.gg never actually launched, right? And the others just don't | have the same flare at all... | Jonovono wrote: | It's on iOS: https://e.gg. Agree, I do think the vibes of | this are a bit better. | mvexel wrote: | Fantastic! I do think it needs webrings. | kome wrote: | https://mmm.page/oo.main | | I like it :) | oefrha wrote: | > 12.6 MB transferred, 21.8 MB resources | | Personally I much prefer websites that don't use up that much | bandwidth. | | Let's take | https://asset.mmm.page/77/a05aa5533e4f3a97080c63f9b70189/04-.... | 4,748,611 bytes, 2602x4336 pixels, actually rendered at a | ~150x250px size. Do you really need to ship that many pixels? | | I hope more people pay attention to reducing bloat than looking | campy, kitschy, messy, imperfect. | chadlavi wrote: | The editable landing page is a great intro to the product, but it | would maybe be good to have a big CTA button above the fold | that's like "Edit this page". Much more noticeable than the | bottom right corner pencil button. | | EDIT: though of course your main CTA is to drive signups. That | makes sense too. Maybe this is a secondary CTA right under the | signup button? | | Also the signup button is below the fold on smaller windows, | might want to reconsider the size of the text above it (at least | on viewports that are <700px tall?) | cwmartin wrote: | This feels like it's in the same family as straw.page[1]. Both | are a really refreshing break from homogeneous minimalist web | design that's taken hold over the past few years. | | [1]: https://straw.page/start / | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26124581 | swyx wrote: | this reminds me of https://e.gg/ by facebook NPE too | snarkypixel wrote: | So cool! The UX is amazing, will definitely recommend to my | little cousins. | twoslide wrote: | I found it unusable on Firefox 81 (including with No addons). | Clicks don't work at all - seems to work fine on Chromium. I | suggest testing on a broader range of browsers. | | Edit: It's just my version, not an issue with the site. | dubcanada wrote: | The issue on Firefox 81 seems to be a z-index issue with the | edit toggle button. Setting it up a 100 fixes it. On Firefox 81 | the z-index seems to be calculated to z-index: -2147483648; | | Is there a particular reason you are using a 1 year old version | of Firefox? | xhfloz wrote: | Sorry haven't been good @ replying, but just fixed this bug! | likeafox wrote: | It's running surprisingly fast on FF 88 for me, just for the | record. | aetherspawn wrote: | I am using Firefox 88 (std, auto update) and it works fine. | Most polyfill libraries only support the last 2 major versions | on greenfield browsers because they update themselves -- | perhaps there is a problem with your auto updater? | twoslide wrote: | Probably - stupid "managed" updates from my organization. | Probably should just uninstall the managed version and | install the normal version from the web. | tmountain wrote: | I love the concept, and I was having a lot of fun building my | first page; however, I had to restart my computer after adding | about half a dozen page elements, and all my progress was lost. | It'd be great if work was saved as it was edited on the page. | Toutouxc wrote: | The ease of editing scratches an itch I didn't know I had. | quickthrower2 wrote: | Editing the very landing page feels naughty! It's fun! | thih9 wrote: | I wish the "edit" button was more visible. I noticed it only on | my second visit. After I found it, I enjoyed playing with the | page and the first hand experience a lot more than reading about | it. During my first visit I wasn't impressed but now the product | looks cool to me. | vidarh wrote: | I was about to say the same. Make it bigger. Make it pulse. | Mention high up in the text.... Or something. I scanned through | the page and was annoyed there didn't seem to be a way of | testing it without signing up and was about to leave when I | spotted the edit button. | ageitgey wrote: | I mean honestly, this is pretty good stuff. Nice job! | unilynx wrote: | I miss a 'Jump to random mmm.page'. No time or creativity to add | something myself, but I'd like to get a few impressions on the | jumbly messy things that are being made.. | xhfloz wrote: | gallery coming soon -- i've been resharing some nice pages on | https://twitter.com/xhfloz in the meantime! | rchaud wrote: | Great idea, would be good to see what users have created. It | shouldn't be totally random though, as that could just go to a | bunch of incomplete sites. It should be curated a little bit. | paulpauper wrote: | drag and drop tends to create major code bloat. i dunno if this | is different. | Zetaphor wrote: | The target audience for a site like this generally isn't aware | of or concerned with things like code bloat. | crazypython wrote: | I love that it fuels creative freedom, but this seems to be | proprietary, which means freedom is still restricted. | | Consider releasing code under AGPLv3 and styling/pictures | GFDLv1.3? (GFDL has very strong attribution requirements: you | must keep it as part of the title and include other parts.) | bencoder wrote: | This is really great! | Joe8Bit wrote: | > Websites shouldn't all look the same. We prefer campy, kitschy, | messy, imperfect. | | I really like the design aesthethic this product encourages. | There's so much charm and fun and eccentricity that's lost in a | web where full-height responsive image backgrounds and blocky | design frameworks are ubiquitous. | | If this can help people express just a little bit of the wild | creativity of things like early 2000's MySpace layouts or | GeoCities pages I'll be a big fan! | duxup wrote: | Is there a way to ...see this design aesthetic outside their | main page? | rchaud wrote: | Not sure if this is what you mean, but I thought Basecamp's | homepage kinda resembles MMM's landing page: | | https://basecamp.com/ | duxup wrote: | Thank you, feels very friendly. | benbristow wrote: | Reminds me of Piczo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piczo) | | Was a website in the mid 00's where you could build your own | website (anameofyourchoosing.piczo.com) and then decorate it | using a WYSIWYG editor via drag and drop. Was really popular | with kids when I was in primary school (including myself). | | There were no templates or any grid systems etc, you'd start | with a totally blank white page and you'd just add different | premade widgets or HTML snippets to the page, customise the | background etc. etc. | | Made for some interesting designs to say the least. You'd have | to be pretty good at it to make anything that looked | professional due to the impreciseness of it all though. | | Shame there doesn't seem to be really much archived of the | service or any of the sites, unlike Geocities. You can see some | examples of sites if you look on Google Images though. | open-source-ux wrote: | " _There 's so much charm and fun and eccentricity that's lost | in a web where full-height responsive image backgrounds and | blocky design frameworks are ubiquitous._" | | This reminds me of this web design "meme" from 2016: _Which one | of the two possible websites are you currently designing?_ | | https://twitter.com/jongold/status/694591217523363840 | | Five years on, and it still holds true today. | an_opabinia wrote: | I don't know, on the other hand, "random" is kind of a tired | aesthetic. | | Little inspires less confidence about someone's creativity than | schizophrenic jumbles of gifs. | | Besides, there wasn't a reduction in fun and eccentricity. So | lets permit for a second that being "random" and being fun and | eccentric are the same thing (they're not). Part of fun and | eccentric moved to video games, the real safe space on the | Internet for it. Part of it went away because personal websites | became public facing destinations in a way MySpace and | Geocities pages never really were. | | And before you say that MySpace _was_ a public facing | destination, it is proving my point that musicians rapidly | moved away from it long before Spotify homogenized the way we | access music - it wasn 't a music industry thing. It's that | Instagram does a better job at doing what MySpace did, and it's | because non-random people just communicate with pictures of | themselves, particularly their bodies, as the lowest common | denominator. | | Why is the loss of "wild creativity" no real great loss? | Ultimately we can appreciate how hard it is to design nice | looking stuff a lot more. Even nostalgia for that old Internet | you're talking about is kind of toxic, especially to people who | are genuinely random, because nostalgia is a huge obstacle to | getting people to try new things. And that's why maybe those | blocky design frameworks are here to stay - because stuff that | feels visually familiar on something that doesn't really | matter, like a website, convinces the visitor to try something | new that does matter - whatever you're writing, composing, | making, etc. that you're putting on the web in the first place. | keithnz wrote: | I think now that many live in a | youtube/twitter/twitch/facebook/insta sandbox where you can't | customize your "space" very much, those days of people crafting | their own corner of the internet is really gone. | aetherspawn wrote: | I can imagine that this product would transition very well | into a social network that creatives, artists and such would | find very appealing. | chiefalchemist wrote: | Yes!! Why not, the website as art? As the medium and the | message? A network of creative expression? Or as a "diary" | where every entry is more scrapbook-y and less uniform | blog? | | Could be fun. We need more fun. | indigochill wrote: | Honestly, because it takes work. I'm not even talking | about technical work, but creative work. To do this well, | you want to think about your message and then about how | to convey that message not just in the content, but in | how the content is presented (sometimes geocities-esque | chaos isn't quite the right vibe). Then you need to | figure out how to fit that presentation into the | assumptions of your web technology (I personally feel | like the DOM is a straitjacket, but I'll concede since I | don't work heavily in the front-end myself, maybe there | are cute hacks that make it less so, short of just making | the page a full canvas for something else like three.js) | | Anyway, I've developed two "fun" pages myself, playing | around with alternative ways to present content on the | web: | | 1. https://maxsond.github.io/ (website traversal as | interactive fiction) | | 2. http://tilde.town/~indigo/ (website traversal as | pseudo-CLI) | | Neither of them really flesh it out to what one might | consider a full website, but are more light-weight | experiments in alternative ways webpages can present | content. | rchaud wrote: | > To do this well, you want to think about your message | and then about how to convey that message | | We all have to do some version of this in PowerPoint for | school or for our jobs. We can go nuts with PPT | transitions and animations, but we usually don't. | | This is the same principle. You can use it to make a nice | Squarespace like site, or go full lo-fi punk rock zine if | you want. IMO that's what computers promised in the '80s | and later with desktop publishing software. It's been | missing from the web for far too long. | chiefalchemist wrote: | Work? Or time? Hobbies aren't "work"? Time sucked up by | FB or Tw isn't work? If that tool / platform gives me a | way to expess myself and I want to express myself, that's | not work. | tkgally wrote: | My daughter is a professional illustrator. I don't often | show her things I learned about on HN, but I just showed | her this site and she loves it. She has already signed up | and is playing with her new site now. | swashbuck1r wrote: | The flexible WYSIWYG editing is top-notch! I'm sure you'll get a | thousand feedback ideas, but... if a next goal was to get folks | to make it an expression/view of themselves, it would be good to | help them connect content that they are already making back into | their page. Being able to drop in a API feed of their tweets, | blog posts or videos -- and then applying some of your kitschy | formatting to it -- might bring back even more of that MySpace | feel... | offtop5 wrote: | Love it, add custom URLS! | | The next time I start a new project, I might use this for a | landing page ! ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-05-12 23:01 UTC)