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|u/firefly_12 - 13 hours
|
|And yet, here we are, sitting with our foot in our dick wondering if it
|would be okay to help a little.
|u/7f00dbbe - 13 hours
|
|>sitting with our foot in our dick Generation Kill reference?
|u/firefly_12 - 13 hours
|
|Yeah…it’s part of my vocabulary now.
|u/GreatDune - 5 hours
|
|Poooolice thwt muuustach
|u/SlayerofDeezNutz - 7 hours
|
|We approved transfer of some, what, 200 strikers last week? Way more
|substantial than these towed artillery.
|u/Franklin_le_Tanklin - 10 hours
|
|You gotta be shitting my dick
|u/milkybadbois - 8 hours
|
|Who’s “we”?
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|In another thread the top comment is wondering why Xi Winnie the Poo
|being "ready to work" with Trump is significant It's just going to
|get worse and worse until Jan 20 then who knows
|u/Sixcoup - 24 minutes
|
|What are you talking about ? Nato and other non members have been
|doing that since 2 years now.. the only reason Ukraine is still alive
|right now, is because it received foreign aid.
|u/BothZookeepergame612 - 13 hours
|
|This has to be countered by NATO, if North Korea is actually supplying
|the Russian military with equipment...
|u/kopisiutaidaily - 12 hours
|
|Unfortunately NATO or the EU lack the political will to do anything
|about it.
|u/milkybadbois - 8 hours
|
|Are you kidding? NATO has supplied Ukraine with literally everything
|except boots on the ground
|u/kopisiutaidaily - 8 hours
|
|Yes they have but there is still disagreements among EU members to
|provide more aid to Ukraine. Only when they unanimously come to an
|agreement that it is paramount for the survival of their own
|country, will they come together as one and provide a full support
|to repel the incursion. NK and Russian collaboration will be come
|at a serious cost to stability not just in Europe but also in the
|Korean Peninsula and its neighbouring region.
|u/Vaeltaja82 - 2 hours
|
|Yeah and not allow to use these guns to strike Russian soil. I'd
|accept this if north Korea says that Russia is not allowed to
|strike Ukrainian soil with their weapons.
|u/WalkerBuldog - 1 hour
|
|And every time it was too little too late
|u/Soundwave_13 - 13 hours
|
|That’s cool. We’ve got our third draft of mean words to say. Russia is
|super duper lame.
|u/ProjectBOHICA - 7 hours
|
|You don’t mean double secret probation do you?
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|Ok I'll put in a good word
|u/diefastmemefaster - 11 hours
|
|Sooo, NATO has provided nothing? No Abrams? No HIMARS? No Leopards?
|F16's? Patriots? Small-arms and ammo? Intel? Get real
|u/Tom-Dom-bom - 9 hours
|
|31 abrams currenttly - which is a joke. Russia loses that in a few
|days. Ukraine did receive a lot of old tanks. At least s 100.
|There are thousands of f16 in the west. Ukraine received 10 now+-?
|What can 10 f16 do against hundreds of russian aicraft. Do tell me.
|Ukraine received some Himmars, sure. But they have limited targets,
|if rhey want to fire in Russia - Russia has no such problems.
|North korea is sending not only 5x more ammo than the west, but also
|fighting men, which Ukraine has shortage off, and balistic missiles.
|Also, Iran helped Russia with with setting up russian drone industry
|while Ukraine mostly relies on donated drones from private sector
|and commercial drones bought by ukraine Nd converted into fpv
|drones. So looking at all the context. Ukraine is 10x+ smaller
|country with way less population and resources. That is getting drip
|feeded some small amounts of western tech from 1980 at best with
|some exceptions. With enemy targetring limitations. Time periods
|where usa randomly stopped sending ammo for 6 months do to politics
|- where USA says "as long as it fakes" but it can randomly stop
|supporting ujraine at any time like it did before.... Where uSA
|is mostly sending equipment that is so old that USA itself was
|planning to just destroy it - but somehow it is getting written off
|as "billions of support" and then clueless people watch joe rogan
|podcast and thinks all of the donated money number is something that
|is literally taken out of budget.
|u/monkeywithgun - 4 hours
|
|> There are thousands of f16 in the west. Ukraine received 10
|now+-? What can 10 f16 do against hundreds of russian aicraft. Do
|tell me. On this it wouldn't matter. The US and it's allies could
|give them a thousand tomorrow and they still wouldn't have the
|pilots to fly even 100. The US is currently training around 50 a
|year. Training space is limited and it takes time especially when
|most of the Ukrainian pilots need to learn English first as a
|prerequisite.
|u/WalkerBuldog - 1 hour
|
|>The US and it's allies could give them a thousand tomorrow and
|they still wouldn't have the pilots to fly even 100. Gee I
|wonder who could have started to train 100 pilots in 2022??
|>The US is currently training around 50 a year. Training space
|is limited and it takes time especially when most of the
|Ukrainian pilots need to learn English first as a prerequisite.
|Poor US can't do anything about it.
|u/Cheeky_Star - 8 hours
|
|Now do the EU
|u/Tom-Dom-bom - 8 hours
|
|That's All of the west combined sadly. Eu did provide tens of
|billions more support compared to USA now. Plus, EU had to
|accept millions of refuges. But EU and USA both are not
|supporting Ukraine enough. Unless you think 10 F16 somehow
|should win against hundreds of Russian aircraft and that is just
|one sector. It would be delusional and just straith up moronic
|to say that Ukraine should have pushed back Russia or something.
|Russia has like 10x more ammo and equipment capacity.
|u/lglthrwty - 7 hours
|
|Ukraine is to get 70+ F-16s and 20+ Mirage 2000-5s. That is on
|top of the numerous MIG-29s and Su-25s they have received.
|That isn't enough though it turns out not a single country
|wants to build and supply a military large enough of fending
|off Russia.
|u/WalkerBuldog - 1 hour
|
|>Ukraine is to get 70+ F-16s By 2028 and it's less thahalf
|of what Ukraine needs. I'm not even talking about constant
|very expensive ammunition and spare parts that they need and
|will not be supplied. >20+ Mirage 2000-5s. 6.
|u/heritage_foundation - 13 hours
|
|The US should start providing aid in response to this heinous act. Oh,
|wait.
|u/MassiveBoner911_3 - 12 hours
|
|Aid from us stops shortly. Europe is gonna have to pick up the
|slack.
|u/Jey3349 - 12 hours
|
|The EU should provide it
|u/mackinator3 - 12 hours
|
|No, they should let ukraine shoot it
|u/DonkeyTron42 - 11 hours
|
|In two months we’ll be supplying Russia with our military
|technology.
|u/chris00ws6 - 10 hours
|
|It’s called pandering. He’s pandering to trumps ego.
|u/chris00ws6 - 8 hours
|
|Why praise Biden anymore? He’s not who you have to try and
|suck up to anymore. You want to try and tell trump he’s the
|second coming of Jesus and hope for the best.
|u/Content-Swimmer2325 - 4 hours
|
|What do you mean "if" NK is "supplying" the Russian military? There
|are over 15,000 North Korean boots on the ground in Kursk Oblast alone
|u/mushquest - 13 hours
|
|It has been countering the past 3 years supplying Ukraine with arms
|and vehicles, what are you talking about
|u/svasalatii - 13 hours
|
|Nk does not place any restrictions on using their weapons West
|doesn't allow Ukraine to strike into Russia rears. See the
|difference?
|u/geegee_cholo - 12 hours
|
|US set up the entirety of the supply lines quickly early on in the
|war when people were still shook that Russia invaded Ukraine when
|US was saying it was going to happen for 4 months. Training
|Ukrainians for the last 2 years to actually use F-16s? US.
|Literally the fastest a country has EVER been propped up in
|history is now, due to the US providing aid AND training on these
|weapons. These F-16 pilots were trained out of Davis-Monthan AFB
|in Tucson, Arizona by Arizona Air National Guard. West bad
|mkkkuhhh
|u/svasalatii - 12 hours
|
|Man, easy I am Ukrainian, and we are jumping off our pants in
|appreciation to the US, no kidding. For all the help and
|supplies. But the point is not about it. The point is about
|restrictions. What's the point of ATACMS if they cannot be used
|to destroy russian assets BEFORE they kill my neighbors?
|u/geegee_cholo - 12 hours
|
|First, I want to apologize for coming in hot, I see so much US
|bashing on reddit lately that it gets exhausting to read, but
|I know its even more frustrating from your end having your
|hands tied due to another countries politics. The
|restrictions are really stupid at this point I 100% agree, you
|guys should have full freedom to do what is necessary to
|defend yourselves. Coming from one of the few democratic
|states to actually vote for Harris, I want to see Ukraine
|fully embraced by the West, US,EU, etc. Its awful what you
|guys have been going through. I hope that before Biden steps
|down he lets the flood gates loose and gives you guys a
|mountain of help before Trump takes office. Slava Ukraini!
|u/svasalatii - 12 hours
|
|No problem What seems likely now is that West, EU, US might
|lose Ukraine. We don't want that but we have no leverage on
|it. We are not infinite, neither in headcount nor in
|tools/weapons/machinery. And seeing how cold and
|indifferent most West reacts to NK/Iran/China supplying
|Russia with everything, and now with heavy weapons and, in
|the part of NK, even soldiers, we start seeing our hands
|going down... No, we aren't gonna surrender but at some
|point when no light comes out of the cloud, there will be a
|choice: preserve some part of our nation or die altogether.
|The other possible thing is - and we just discussed that
|within my family and friends - we will build some sort of
|nuke and make an ultimatum. And when it will be rejected,
|the thing will fly. I am hoping the last won't happen: I
|want my kinds to become adult and enjoy life. Because they
|weren't able to enjoy their childhood - it has been stolen
|by Russia. Cheers.
|u/JesusMurphyOotWest - 11 hours
|
|Also, up vote for civility. Totally refreshing to see a
|normal conversation-thank you!
|u/JesusMurphyOotWest - 11 hours
|
|Up vote for civility!
|u/rhino369 - 12 hours
|
|The difference is North Korea isn’t afraid Ukraine will sell its
|enemies long range weapons. And America is afraid Russia will
|sell our enemies long range weapons.
|u/svasalatii - 12 hours
|
|🤣🤣🤣
|u/Silvershanks - 13 hours
|
|Um... I wouldn't worry, 99% of what they send will be smoking debris
|within 10 minutes of contact with the Ukraine forces, they are just
|sending gear and troops, not a better battle plan.
|u/Cappyc00l - 12 hours
|
|This is so naive
|u/Silvershanks - 12 hours
|
|So... you think the absurd amount of dead Russians soldiers and
|destroyed Russian equipment is a fabrication? I'm very aware of
|the western slant on Ukraine war news, but if even half the
|numbers are true, that's still a gruesome lack of competence from
|Russian command.
|u/Cappyc00l - 12 hours
|
|No. The notion that a country fighting a battle for survival
|shouldn’t worry about another country increasingly becoming
|directly involved is what is naive. The idea that all of the
|incoming aid and soldiers will be “smoking debris in 10 minutes”
|is offensively dismissive of the actual struggle on the ground.
|Try telling a Ukrainian soldier getting shelled nonstop not to
|worry about it. Also, do keep in mind that it’s entirely
|possible to lose even if you have better tactics and inflict
|higher casualties (ask the confederacy, Germany in Russia, and
|the us in viet nam).
|u/Ottoguynofeelya - 13 hours
|
|Even if it kills one Ukrainian soldier?
|u/Silvershanks - 12 hours
|
|I mean... life is life right? Are you tore up about your tax
|dollars contributing to 700k dead Russians?
|u/Ottoguynofeelya - 12 hours
|
|The ones that want to kill? No, just the ones that were drafted
|against their wills and are killing themselves they didn't want
|to be there so bad.
|u/Crazy-Canuck463 - 12 hours
|
|It's not 700k dead Russians. It's 700k casualties. Not all
|casualties are deaths.
|u/Item9_User - 12 hours
|
|Yes. I don't hate Russians. Just hate the situation.
|u/nicsmydad - 13 hours
|
|Dur nato troops on ground inside Ukraine lol and of course all the
|equipment they sent already
|u/adanishplz - 12 hours
|
|You have sources on the troops of course, let us see them.
|u/nicsmydad - 9 hours
|
|A simple use your brain is all you need.
|u/Clewdo - 7 hours
|
|“Do your own research”
|u/TuddyCicero86 - 13 hours
|
|I wonder how S.Korea is reacting to all of this. They've rattled some
|cages with floating sending more everything to Ukraine.. but haven't
|seen the commitment.
|u/uti24 - 13 hours
|
|And why exactly SK should have a strong desire to help Ukraine? It's
|not like if SK help Ukraine it's going to weaken NK, I guess it's
|probably opposite, SK will get weaker seeding their weapons.
|u/TuddyCicero86 - 13 hours
|
|They want to counter N.Korea and doing so in Ukraine is a way to go
|about it. Calm your tits.
|u/uti24 - 2 hours
|
|>They want to counter N.Korea and doing so in Ukraine is a way to
|go about it. And you can explain how exactly it helps SK?
|u/omnibossk - 13 hours
|
|SK also needs to test their weapons. Now only NK will get to find
|the best strategies and what weapons work best.
|u/WTGIsaac - 12 hours
|
|On top of that there are NK troops and equipment in Ukraine
|already. Helping Ukraine destroy them means they can’t return to
|NK and will therefore weaken NK. And SK won’t be weakened much or
|for long since it could easily just send the oldest equipment
|that’s being phased out.
|u/AboveAllOthers9x - 12 hours
|
|The more shit that gets destroyed, the less shit and personnel NK
|has and would need to send more and more losing more shit
|u/JesusMurphyOotWest - 11 hours
|
|Wait wait wait wait, South Korea, that turns outs, like half the
|worlds cars and births cargo ships, carrying a litter of cargo
|ships, is gonna be weaker…I’m sure there is differences in
|manufacturing of direct equipment but, I feel if Samsung Heavy
|Industries or Hyundai wanted to build …I dunno…real
|Transformers….they would do it handily.
|u/kencam - 9 hours
|
|Samsung is a hell of a company. I mean somehow they manage to
|design all of their appliances to die almost immediately after the
|warranty expires. You have to admit, that's impressive.
|u/CommodoreAxis - 2 hours
|
|SK is rumored to have already been sending weapons. They’re one of
|the alleged sources of the artillery shells that the Czech Republic
|“found” and lend-leased to Ukraine.
|u/senfgurke - 11 hours
|
|[This is the 240mm MLRS](https://www.nknews.org/2024/08/north-korea-
|tests-updated-240mm-rocket-system-for-fourth-time-this-year/) that is
|being transferred. The rockets have a range of up to 70 km and newer
|variants come with GNSS guidance.
|u/nopower81 - 12 hours
|
|Ukraine should load a dozen attack drones on a ship, sail within range
|of nk's coast, target nk's marble and gold captial building and show
|there is no where on earth left to hide
|u/ExcellentHunter - 12 hours
|
|Not sure how feasible that would be but spy agencies know when such
|transports are done. Get ukr specials, plant explosives on nk weapons
|ship and detonate in Vladivostok when unloading... Two birds one
|stone.
|u/Yangmits - 1 hour
|
|Kim is someone I would definitely bet on using nukes. Not even red
|line warnings
|u/Yangmits - 1 hour
|
|I think out of all the nuclear states, they are most likely to shoot
|first.
|u/Shag_Nasty_McNasty - 13 hours
|
|Release the secret porn hub weapon!
|u/AnotherPersonsReddit - 11 hours
|
|I'm telling you. On a cloudy night project an AI porno of Kim getting
|a train run on him by BTS. Or dominatrix style, hell, why choose just
|one. Night after night of "dear leader" being dominated in front of
|all the border troops.
|u/AnusTartTatin - 11 hours
|
|Thiiiiiisssss is the way!
|u/panergicagony - 5 hours
|
|Jesus if I worked for the CIA you'd be getting a job offer
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|Drone projected holograms of K-pop groups will start appearing in the
|woods at night over a tiger trap
|u/Game-Caliber - 5 hours
|
|Escalation management masterclass by the West.
|u/DescriptionProof871 - 12 hours
|
|Is Russia military really that weak that they need help from nk? N Korea
|still uses windows 95.
|u/milkybadbois - 8 hours
|
|NK has one of the best militaries in the world
|u/Beginning-Sound-7516 - 5 hours
|
|lol, okay
|u/PsychoCrescendo - 3 hours
|
|that’s what we thought about Russia lol literal Beavis & Butthead
|of militaries
|u/Shuby1 - 3 hours
|
|What is wrong with the west ? Specially the EU. Forget the US, that pot
|i a lost cause. EU needs to stand up to Putin. Put up hard against hard.
|No fly sone in Ukraine or boots on the ground. Jesus what a shit show.
|The west is weaker than a cats fur and Putin exploits this.
|u/error00000011 - 13 hours
|
|But I'm sure an escalation or an actual participation in war will force
|NATO to do something li..... Nah, I'm just kidding even when Russia will
|use nuclear weapons they won't do anything to not escalate or something
|like that.
|u/AnotherPersonsReddit - 11 hours
|
|I wonder how much hardware NK can afford to give up.
|u/LeftLane4PassingOnly - 11 hours
|
|All of it since no one wants to attack North Korea. The absolute
|worst outcome of invading North Korea is that the invading army wins
|and has to run the country.
|u/tsar31HABS - 13 hours
|
|South Korea, attack!
|u/willthedude85 - 10 hours
|
|Russia can’t make their own? Haha world power my ass! Haha garbage.
|u/Additional-Duty-5399 - 12 hours
|
|I believe DEPLOYED would be a proper term...
|u/mn25dNx77B - 9 hours
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|I guess we're gonna see how good nk weapons are BTW, can we call it
|WWIII yet?
|u/Gwtheyrn - 4 hours
|
|They're fucking awful.theae thing are all going to be wiped out by
|counterfire within days.
|u/kyleharveybooks - 9 hours
|
|As a follow up story… 68 of them are just jiffy pop
|u/kopecs - 9 hours
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|Are they delivering them *back* to Russia?
|u/Brilliant_User_7673 - 7 hours
|
|The transportation of the weapons is a legit military target.
|u/Brother-Algea - 6 hours
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|Us to Ukraine: aim here!
|u/qartas - 6 hours
|
|What a great power, needing back up from a hermit kingdom.
|u/jmi60 - 4 hours
|
|Those will be destroyed inside of a week distracted with things like
|porn and food.
|u/Tricky-Cod-7485 - 4 hours
|
|It looks like NK is about to become the industrial arm of the Russian
|Army much like the US was the industrial army of Europe during the war
|in the 30s/40s.
|u/Tiger-Billy - 3 hours
|
|Kim's regime is quite foolish. Putin's government won't transfer Russian
|weapon technologies to North Korea, except for food and grains. Kim
|would prefer to acquire the latest weapon technologies, but Putin will
|never do that. The North Korean regime is actually expendable for
|Russia; however, the foolish leader Kim doesn't realize that.
|u/vegarig - 1 hour
|
|> Putin's government won't transfer Russian weapon technologies to
|North Korea, except for food and grains Already did. [KN-23 is
|basically a localized Iskander-M, down to alloys used and specific
|welding techniques](https://defence--ua-
|com.webpkgcache.com/doc/-/s/defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/rf_dala_piv
|nichnij_koreji_materiali_i_dokumentatsiju_na_virobnitstvo_raket_kn_23_
|dlja_udariv_po_ukrajini_i_tse_ne_vse-16026.html) Newer loitering
|munitions of NK make also look suspiciously like a Lancet from ZALA
|Aero Group
|u/Jfurmanek - 2 hours
|
|So…how far off is the world war? Lot of fingers in the Ukraine pie.
|u/IndependenceFew4956 - 2 hours
|
|Is that for a museum? Or are we going to play surprised ?
|u/FlaviusAurelian - 32 minutes
|
|But the delivery of german Taurus-missles or polish jets intercepting
|missles over Ukraine is an "escalation"
|u/BlueberryWalnut7 - 12 hours
|
|Oh, blast. 😒
|u/tonkatsu2008 - 12 hours
|
|Trump says he has a plan for peace in Ukraine, but I hope Trump isn't
|counting on his love letters to Kim to get the North Korean regime to
|stop sending military aid to Russia.
|u/hammilithome - 10 hours
|
|But Trump told him not to escalate!
|u/No7088 - 12 hours
|
|Anthony Blinken: it’s all right folks, stay calm, the war is NOT
|escalating
|u/Redillenium - 2 hours
|
|If it was me, I would just nuke the fuck out of North Korea and just be
|done with it. Like why keep dealing with their shit.
|u/melithium - 11 hours
|
|I mean everyone is supplying ukraine with weapons, idk why people are so
|shocked when another country supplies them to russia. This isn’t
|surprising…
|u/phranq - 10 hours
|
|Aren’t there reports of NK soldiers on the ground. Seems like you’re
|for tit for tat so American or European soldiers on the ground is a
|go?
|u/bry223 - 10 hours
|
|MEN. TROOPS. They’ve been supplying weapons for more than a year to
|Russia. Are you serious?
|u/Oregonmushroomhunt - 12 hours
|
|I don't see how this will help Russia. The battlefield is massive, and
|old technology made for wars that never happened many decades ago won't
|change the front lines. The only thing making these old weapons
|relevant was South Korea's biggest city's close proximity to the North.
|South Korea should make some drones to dispose of these weapons in
|Ukraine/Russia—two birds, one stone.
|u/senfgurke - 11 hours
|
|The Koksan guns are ancient crap but the 240mm MLRS will prove useful
|for Russia. They will supplement 227mm Uragan MLRS which is suffering
|from ammunition shortages. The North Korean system outranges Uragan
|and according the Ukrainian intelligence assessment an updated variant
|that uses GNSS guided rockets is being sent.
|u/Oregonmushroomhunt - 11 hours
|
|This war has a massive 600-mile-plus front line, so the number of
|stationary weapons being sent will have little impact. In the past,
|fighting this type of war required millions of soldiers to break
|through and advance, but Russia hasn't made those commitments.
|Success in modern warfare requires rapid mobility of Combined arms
|with real-time intelligence, and drones with satellite networks are
|whats needed for success. The front lines won't change with these
|additional weapons from North Korea.
|u/senfgurke - 10 hours
|
|I said that they would prove useful, not that they're some miracle
|weapon that will enable Russian breakthrough. The transfers will
|help offset Uragan losses and shortages in 227mm rockets, and may
|even be a slight improvement over the Uragan system, that's all.
|u/orangepeel1975 - 12 hours
|
|Can we just NOT encourage war? If you’ve been to war, you wouldn’t be
|pushing for more war. I have seen the results. This has to stop.
|u/HeisGarthVolbeck - 9 hours
|
|Yes, why do the Allies just not let Nazis win to end the war??
|u/Ye_Olde_Basilisk - 11 hours
|
|Seriously. I feel like I’m talking crazy pills. The same people that
|were protesting Iraq and Afghanistan are calling for Russian blood.
|It’s mind boggling how ready these people are to sacrifice an entire
|generation of Ukrainian men for upvotes and social brownie points.
|America’s role should be to pressure both sides into a cease fire
|while a permanent peace can be negotiated. Ukraine will likely come
|out on the losing end of that peace, but it is impossible for them to
|hold out against Russia unless America is willing to fund this thing
|for ten or fifteen more years. And if the election we had the other
|day didn’t clue you in on it, most people aren’t willing to do this
|much longer. But, if you really believe in this shit and you’re not
|scared to put your money where your mouth is, then put down your Xbox
|controller. Ukraine is accepting volunteers. I’ve provided a link
|below. https://ildu.com.ua
|u/OkVariety8064 - 8 hours
|
|> The same people that were protesting Iraq and Afghanistan are
|calling for Russian blood. Those people were protesting an illegal
|invasion back then, they are protesting an illegal invasion now. >
|sacrifice an entire generation of Ukrainian men Russia tortures,
|murders and rapes both civilians and soldiers. Accepting Russian
|occupation will not stop the killing, it will just allow Russia to
|kill the civilians unimpeded. Russia has publicly stated its goal
|is to end the existence of Ukrainians as a people, destroy their
|freedom and democracy, destroy their culture and subjugate them as
|subjects of their empire. > both sides There are no "both sides".
|There is an imperialist dictatorship invading a democratic nation.
|> America is willing to fund this thing And regarding your whining
|about "funding this", quite the time you Americans started to get
|concerned about the cost of war. How awfully convenient for Putin
|for you to start whining about the cost when for the first time in
|80 years USA is involved in a war where it actually defends a
|democracy against a dictatorship. When USA itself was invading, or
|supporting dictatorships, you couldn't manage to "end the wars"
|then. No, then both sides of your so-called political divide had no
|issue with war. No problem with trillions wasted and no issue
|sending American troops to be killed. Then it was all gung-ho and
|freedom fries. Your pacifism seems to appear at an awfully
|convenient time to benefit a certain Russian dictator and his paid
|cronies you just voted for. > Ukraine is accepting volunteers.
|Ukraine is asking for funding and weapons most of all. Your country
|spent about $2 trillion in Afghanistan and $3 trillion in Iraq, and
|achieved basically nothing for it. At this time, you have spent
|something like $170 billion to support Ukraine, and this now is the
|cost you poor little things just cannot afford. This is the war
|where for the first time in 80 years you can actually defend freedom
|and democracy. Remember those things, "freedom and democracy", isn't
|that something you Americans like to blather about quite a lot? But
|now when push comes to shove, USA is shown to be a timid little
|bootlicker of dictators ranging from Putin to Kim. Your betrayal of
|your values is beyond disgusting.
|u/Ye_Olde_Basilisk - 8 hours
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|Sign up. Be a hero.
|u/Mandurang76 - 3 hours
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|> America’s role should be to pressure both sides into a cease fire
|while a permanent peace can be negotiated. Why should Ukraine be
|pressured into a cease fire? Ukraine is the one being attacked!
|If Ukrainians stop fighting, they lose their country and
|independence. If Russians stop fighting and go back to Russia, the
|war is over. Only one side needs to be pressured, and it's not the
|victim.
|u/JustSomeGuy20233 - 10 hours
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|lol 70 missile launchers. If they’re talking handheld it’s like why
|bother
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