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Who is a “strong female protagonist” done right?



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|u/Curses_at_bots - 13 hours
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|Margie from Fargo. She's the only moral, reasonable, responsible person
|in a town full of insanity. She deals with it all, while being pregnant
|and still finding the time to have emotions, but keeping them separate
|when there's a job to do.


  |u/herculaneum - 12 hours
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  |My very first thought. She’s not physically ripped, she’s not a tech
  |genius, she’s just the embodiment of female competence and everyday
  |bravery.


    |u/Curses_at_bots - 11 hours
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    |They did such a good job making her the protagonist. Protagonist
    |period, not just a female protagonist. There's nothing over the top
    |about her character, just a such a strong will and sense of duty in
    |the face of such an absurd collapse of morality.


      |u/buttstuffisokiguess - 10 hours
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      |And having bob "ya gotta eat marge. I'll make you some eggs."
      |Idk. It's just so perfect.


        |u/joooooooles - 10 hours
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        |I loved the portrayal of their marriage.


          |u/SyfaOmnis - 9 hours
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          |It was really nice. Norm was just an average guy, not
          |particularly handsome, not exceptional in his hobbies or
          |ambitions. But they were devoted to each other and were
          |making a life of it.


            |u/gerwen - 5 hours
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            |> not exceptional in his hobbies  Oh i don't know about
            |that.  He did get a painting on a stamp.


          |u/M_is_for_ - 9 hours
          |
          |Finding a Marge to make eggs for us definitely marriage goals


      |u/Sweeper1985 - 10 hours
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      |"So, that was Mrs. Lundegaard on the floor in there. And I guess
      |that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three
      |people in Brainerd. And for what? For a little bit of money?
      |There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know
      |that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just
      |don't understand it."


        |u/MistakeBeginning664 - 10 hours
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        |I cried the first time I saw Fargo. The wife's fear while she
        |was tied to the chair in the shitty cabin still bothers me to
        |even think about.


          |u/herculaneum - 7 hours
          |
          |I lived in Fargo-Moorhead for a few years before the movie
          |came out. The woman who played Mrs. Lundegard did commercials
          |for a local carpet (I think?) showroom. Was weird to be
          |watching the movie in Chicago and there she was.


        |u/eletricmojo - 9 hours
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        |The dialogue throughout the movie is so good and so realistic.


        |u/newyne - 8 hours
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        |I reference this line ALL THE FUCKING TIME! Like, I've had at
        |least one bizarre, fucked up thing happen in my life, and...
        |"Here ya are, and it's a beautiful day," is *exactly* how it
        |feels.


    |u/otheraccountisabmw - 11 hours
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    |Molly Solverson too. Just the most competent cop in town.


    |u/TiresOnFire - 10 hours
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    |I loved her and Norm's story. Every time I watch it I attach myself
    |to a different character. But I think she's my favorite over all.
    |When she says, "Oh, Norm," my heart melts. And the "...and it's a
    |beautiful day," line gets me too.


  |u/bleachercreature95 - 11 hours
  |
  |She’s such a super lady!


  |u/Still_Sitting - 11 hours
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  |And for what? For a little bit of money? There's more to life than a
  |little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's
  |a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it.


  |u/Proof_Bathroom_3902 - 12 hours
  |
  |"Hun? Prowler needs a jump."


    |u/HiE7q4mT - 12 hours
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    |"Ooh, think I'm gonna barf!"   "Aww jeez Margie"


  |u/KHaskins77 - 10 hours
  |
  |Could say much the same of Molly Solverson from the TV show.


  |u/Chocolat3City - 11 hours
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  |Love that scene where her husband woke up with her and made her eat
  |breakfast before she went out to that murder scene.


    |u/mooncritter_returns - 11 hours
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    |They’re a genuine, believable couples goal, if you think about it.
    |Nothing sexy or explosively exciting about their life, but, “we’re
    |happy.” What a concept.


      |u/awkward-cereal - 10 hours
      |
      |Her celebrating her husband's art getting on the 2 cent(?) stamp
      |was so heartwarming! He was discouraged because he didn't win and
      |she was still so happy for him!


    |u/jenncie - 9 hours
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    |“Gotta eat a breakfast, Marge. I’ll fix ya some eggs.”  “Aw, you
    |can sleep, hon.”  “Ya gotta eat a breakfast…I’ll fix ya some eggs"


  |u/Shirtbro - 11 hours
  |
  |>Margie from Fargo. She's the only moral, reasonable, responsible
  |person in a town full of insanity.   That's Norm slander and I won't
  |stand for it


|u/homelyme - 13 hours
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|Dana Scully. Even caused an uptic of women in STEM studies.


  |u/VapoursAndSpleen - 12 hours
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  |Let’s add Uhura, then. She encouraged all girls and black people in
  |general to aim their sights on space and science.


    |u/Labradawgz90 - 11 hours
    |
    |YES!  As a Trekkie, I LOVED Uhura, still do.  Smart character,
    |brave and sexy.  I met Nichelle Nichols and she was a little older.
    |That woman was more beautiful in person than on the screen.
    |Absolutely gorgeous and so kind.


      |u/borisdidnothingwrong - 8 hours
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      |I've told this before, but telling again as it's relevant.    I
      |was a sci-fi teen, with no money. This means that I read every
      |sci-fi book at the library, and all the fantasy as well.    One
      |of my younger brother's friends was a massive Whovian. (Fan of
      |Doctor Who, for the  uninitiated.)   The summer before Star Trek:
      |The Next Generation premiered, a Star Trek convention was coming
      |to town, at a hotel out by the airport.  This was way before
      |these things became mainstream.    As noted, I was a poor kid. I
      |would have liked to go, but the ticket would have made a huge
      |dent in my hoarded Christmas and Birthday money.    My brother's
      |friend found out there was a Doctor Who panel at this convention,
      |and it was all he could talk about. No one else he knew was
      |remotely interested, so I was his sounding board.    My mom
      |approached me one day: she had talked to his mom and if I agreed
      |to chaperone this kid 4 years younger than me his mom would buy
      |me a ticket, and my mom gave me money for lunch.    So, we went
      |to the con.   We went together to the merch tables, where I
      |picked up some schematics for various Star Trek ships, and a copy
      |of the Next Generation Technical Manual for the Enterprise D.
      |We split up, because I didn't buy a ticket for the Doctor Who
      |panel, and I found a quiet hallway to look over my purchases.
      |I was sitting down,  leaning against a wall, when I heard voices
      |approach the door 6 to me.    The door opened and a woman said,
      |"I'm waiting out here," and out walked Nichelle Nichols, on her
      |way to her Q&A.   She saw 15 year old me scramble out of the way
      |of the door with my geeky booty, and instead of ignoring me she
      |asked how I was enjoying the convention, and asked me if I was
      |taking science classes.   I showed her my purchases, and she said
      |she hadn't seen the Enterprise D Technical Manual yet, so I
      |handed it over and she flipped through with me, stopping her and
      |there to praise the design.   We had a few minutes together
      |before her people came to take her to the Q&A.   I maintain that
      |I had a better experience with her than anyone else at that
      |convention.    So kind, to take her time to speak sincerely with
      |a shy, geeky kid from suburban Salt Lake City, and hold her NASA
      |ambassador role with just one schoolkid.   My brother's friend
      |was very envious when we met after his panel to get some lunch.
      |Still my coolest geek-cred moment.


        |u/Maxxover - 7 hours
        |
        |Wow, you were so lucky. What a tremendous random experience.


        |u/mmm_burrito - 5 hours
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        |This brings happy tears to my eyes. I'm so glad you go those
        |moments.


        |u/scylus - 4 hours
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        |This is such a cool story. Please don't tire of telling it.


        |u/SwarleymonLives - 4 hours
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        |I'm a 45 year old man and I'm crying right now.


      |u/FlyByPC - 9 hours
      |
      |At one point, she was thinking of quitting the show, and
      |apparently Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. talked her out of it,
      |because she was an inspiration.


      |u/Character-Version365 - 9 hours
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      |There’s a documentary about her. She actually did a lot to help
      |NASA recruit black astronauts. Extraordinary woman.


    |u/DaddyCatALSO - 11 hours
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    |For a while (?maybe still???) woman and nonwhite astronauts were
    |referring to themselves as "Uhura's Children." 4 were on the
    |Challenger (sorry that was a life-changing incident for me.)


      |u/yancyfry6 - 9 hours
      |
      |That's because she literally had a hand in recruiting the first
      |women, black woman, and black men, herself after her Trek career
      |was done.  She knew them.  Paramount did a documentary on her.
      |There's also this recruitment video she was in.  They wanted more
      |minority NASA candidates, so she became spokesperson for the
      |cause. https://plus.nasa.gov/video/nichelle-
      |nichols-1977-recruitment-film/


      |u/Overly_Long_Reviews - 10 hours
      |
      |Nichols was very close with Judith Resnik. I mentioned in another
      |comment that there was a recent fantastic documentary on Nichols.
      |The part where she's being interviewed about Challenger and
      |Resnik was heartbreaking.


    |u/ScytheSong05 - 12 hours
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    |"Mama! There's a black woman on the TV and she ain't no maid!" --
    |Whoopi Goldberg


      |u/vonshiza - 9 hours
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      |And Whoopi made it a goal to be on star trek one day.  And we can
      |thank Lucille Ball for OG Star Trek.


        |u/nsfbr11 - 9 hours
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        |Educate me about Lucy and Star Trek


          |u/Maximum-Captain-485 - 8 hours
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          |Her and her husband owned the studio that did Star Trek. She
          |backed it so that it even got a second go at a pilot. 
          |Source: https://www.startrek.com/en-un/news/how-lucille-ball-
          |helped-star-trek-become-a-cultural-icon


            |u/ScytheSong05 - 8 hours
            |
            |Yep. DesiLu Studios for Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball.


    |u/jmptx - 10 hours
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    |Let’s thank the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr for convincing Ms
    |Nichols not to walk away from the role of Uhura.


  |u/allywillow - 12 hours
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  |And Sam Carter in SG1


    |u/MachineOutOfOrder - 10 hours
    |
    |You know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to
    |walk on water


    |u/Zediac - 10 hours
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    |After the first season or so.  The first season was a little too
    |cliche on the "um, actually a strong, capable woman" thing.
    |Especially that off world Huns episode, *Emancipation*.  The
    |writing in general for the first season was a little not the best.
    |It quickly got much better, though.


      |u/Overly_Long_Reviews - 10 hours
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      |I think most Stargate fans pretend that Emancipation (the
      |episode, not the concept) doesn't exist. The episode is so bad
      |that it doesn't appear in syndication. I do have a soft spot for
      |some season 1 episodes, but it definitely has not aged well and
      |was pretty rough even when it was airing.  I briefly met Amanda
      |Tapping and saw her speak at a small convention many many years
      |ago back when the series was still airing. She seemed really nice
      |and professional. She did a wonderful job interacting with fans
      |and answering questions.


        |u/Vaivaim8 - 9 hours
        |
        |As bad as the first few seasons were, it was extremely
        |entertaining to see the writers trying to tie ancient
        |civilisations with goauld/ancients/some random alien race. It
        |was as if they hired the ancient alien guy from the history
        |channel.


          |u/Overly_Long_Reviews - 9 hours
          |
          |Season 1 in particular had several very good episodes. But
          |also some truly terrible ones.  SG1 is one of those shows
          |that more often than not skewed okay to bad, but the okay
          |episodes were entertaining. And every once in a while there
          |would be an episode like Heroes Part 2 (in season 7) and
          |Window of Opportunity (season 4 and in my opinion the best
          |time loop piece of media in existence) that made it all worth
          |it.  I was skimming over the episode summaries for season 1
          |just now. Yes it had Emancipation, Hathor, and all the
          |surprising nudity in Children of the Gods but it also The
          |Torment of Tantalus, Thor's Hammer, and Enemy Within. I also
          |have a soft spot for The Broca Divide, the episode that
          |introduced Fraiser. Season 1 would also introduce the
          |Antarctica Stargate and Cassandra. And had some really good
          |early moments for Teal'c.


  |u/Lead-Forsaken - 10 hours
  |
  |I'm re-watching X-files atm and I was thinking that by making her the
  |sceptical medically trained person instead of the crazy believer, it
  |really works so well.


|u/RedWestern - 11 hours
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|The original, animated Mulan.  They don’t make the mistake of having
|her just walk onto the training ground with the other rookies and just
|automatically know everything and be the best. She falls on her ass and
|generally gets the shit kicked out of her just like everyone else. And
|by the time she becomes a competent fighter, her comrades are all
|competent fighters with her. But she still has that little bit of an
|edge to her due to her intelligence.   My point being, she’s “done
|right” because she’s actually believable.


  |u/iceariina - 10 hours
  |
  |"I don't think I can do this." That was so real and refreshing. She
  |wasn't out to prove that women can fight too, she was there to save
  |her father.


    |u/Valor816 - 9 hours
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    |I thought it was refreshing to see a female character experience
    |the transformation montage too.  So often they get denied that, "I
    |can't do this, wait maybe I can, oh yay I can do this" arc.


      |u/Playful_Mind_8835 - 9 hours
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      |Honestly my favorite movie montage!


        |u/klaw14 - 8 hours
        |
        |Let's get down to business!


          |u/Snopes504 - 8 hours
          |
          |To defeat the Huns!


            |u/EeSeeZee - 7 hours
            |
            |Did they send me *daughters?*


              |u/stratosfearinggas - 7 hours
              |
              |When I asked for sons!


                |u/kiingof15 - 6 hours
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                |You’re a spineless, pale, pathetic lot


                  |u/Captpan6 - 6 hours
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                  |But you can bet before we're through


        |u/TheBerethian - 7 hours
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        |Best song for one too


      |u/pcard2256 - 8 hours
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      |It's such a classic hero's journey moment, and it’s nice to see a
      |female character get that same badass training montage without it
      |feeling forced or patronizing. Mulan really earned every punch
      |she threw


      |u/Furydragonstormer - 9 hours
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      |There’s also something more powerful and inspiring in putting it
      |like that. Deliver a message of “you’ll never know unless you
      |try”


      |u/Kuato2012 - 9 hours
      |
      |>So often they get denied that, "I can't do this, wait maybe I
      |can, oh yay I can do this" arc.  Well that requires the character
      |to fail and struggle at first. Not exactly compatible with the
      |girlboss being the most girlbossest girlboss to ever girlboss.


        |u/greentea1985 - 7 hours
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        |The problem with girlbosses is something that superheroes and
        |action heroes dealt with a few decades ago. If a character is
        |perfect in everything they do, they are boring. Flaws,
        |struggles, and stakes are what makes a character interesting.
        |When you write these characters as perfect, it makes the dull
        |and uninteresting.


    |u/Takemyfishplease - 9 hours
    |
    |That scene in Moana is strong too, after the Rock ditches her and
    |says the ocean was wrong picking her.  But then she does, and we
    |get that bangin’ song too.


      |u/standbyyourmantis - 9 hours
      |
      |I love that scene so much. She has her moment of doubt, and her
      |grandmother even comes to her and acknowledges it was a lot to
      |ask of her, reassures her that she's still loved and valuable,
      |and gives her permission to go home if it's too hard. Then she
      |gets the chance to remind herself of what she's done and who she
      |is, and decide that it's not the ocean that called her to this,
      |it was herself. It also occurred to me *today* that her name
      |being "Moana" (which means 'ocean') means at the end of the song
      |when she says "I am Moana" it also means "I am the ocean."


        |u/TrueDeadBling - 5 hours
        |
        |> when she says "I am Moana" it also means "I am the ocean."
        |The amount of times I watched this movie with my little sister
        |and I've just now realised this 😂


        |u/Wheres_MyMoney - 4 hours
        |
        |How Far I'll Go is an absolute banger both as a Disney song and
        |as not a Disney song.


    |u/pcard2256 - 8 hours
    |
    |Her vulnerability in that moment made her character even more
    |powerful. It wasn’t about proving a point; it was about her love
    |and determination to protect her family. That realness is what made
    |her such a great protagonist.


  |u/rkgk13 - 9 hours
  |
  |Mulan's major advantage is her ability to think outside the box. The
  |way she Macgyvers solutions for doing her chores in the first scene
  |was a great way to show that creative problem solving is Mulan's
  |gift. I love that every success she has in the movie is tied to this
  |trait. It's not that she's an impervious girl boss. It's that she
  |thinks different.


    |u/pcard2256 - 8 hours
    |
    |perfect reminder that being clever is just as powerful as being
    |strong


      |u/FUTURE10S - 4 hours
      |
      |Being strong doesn't give you the title of Disney protagonist
      |with the highest confirmed kill count.


    |u/Bakoro - 8 hours
    |
    |>It's not that she's an impervious girl boss. It's that she thinks
    |different.  Thinks different, *without* being quirky/kooky/wacky
    |and cutesy.


    |u/amican - 7 hours
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    |Understanding the difference between "You will need them both to
    |succeed" and "you have to carry the dead weight."


  |u/canadianlongbowman - 10 hours
  |
  |Exactly, that was such a fantastic portrayal because she had to
  |overcome her limitations, compared to her male counterparts. She
  |wasn't always successful from a physicality standpoint, but what's
  |inspiring about the film is that her grit and determination to
  |achieve a higher good is what carries her through, and that
  |automatically makes her a noteworthy, universal character. No chip on
  |her shoulder as to her motivations, and no condescension on the part
  |of the writers.


    |u/ShangWesternGeolo - 9 hours
    |
    |The live-action version, on the other hand, tries too hard to make
    |Mulan a "girl boss" by giving her innate superpowers in the form of
    |magical chi.   This undermines her growth and robs the story of its
    |central theme: the triumph of determination over adversity. Instead
    |of showing a relatable character who rises to the occasion, it
    |presents a dull, one-dimensional figure whose path is predetermined
    |by her abilities. It’s a flat narrative that lacks the emotional
    |depth and relatability of the original.


  |u/qfrostine_esq - 10 hours
  |
  |They did her so dirty in the live action.


    |u/One-Inch-Punch - 10 hours
    |
    |Yeah, the live action Mulan really pissed me off.  Like it's not
    |even remotely the same story.  Why?


      |u/Doom_Cokkie - 8 hours
      |
      |Honestly, live action. Mulan really showed me how far we as a
      |society strayed from the meaning of a strong woman. I mean, how
      |would any little girl relate to that movie. Hell, any woman. Oh
      |yeah, you can do whatever you set your heart to as long as you
      |were born with all the talent for it!


      |u/qfrostine_esq - 9 hours
      |
      |I thought the story that a woman can be strong with strength,
      |hard work, and grit was far more interesting than magical girl
      |uses super powers.


  |u/ceelogreenicanth - 9 hours
  |
  |Also she doesn't win in feats of raw strength which I don't think are
  |good most of the time anyway as a character trait for men even. She
  |wins with bravery and cunning. Universal traits we should all aspire
  |to.


  |u/cupholdery - 9 hours
  |
  |All of this!  She never tries to win with brute force because that
  |wouldn't be possible. So she uses intellect and strategy to cause an
  |avalanche, thereby getting the highest kill count of any Disney
  |protagonist lol.  Then, even in a one on one fight with the big bad,
  |she chooses to side step away to get him off balance rather than do
  |some unrealistic She-Hulk power move.   Too bad about the live
  |action.


  |u/Unnamedgalaxy - 9 hours
  |
  |They also put this story in the forefront rather than letting it take
  |a backseat to the romance like every other Disney princess movie.
  |And I'd even say the "romance" was handled well. Instead of just
  |being star-crossed and liking each other because they are hot they
  |actually like each other because of their strength of character and
  |it's not actual romance until the last moments of the movie. It was a
  |relationship built on admiration instead of school girl type crush.
  |The writers really constructed an amazing character driven story.


    |u/gingerzombie2 - 8 hours
    |
    |You trusted Ping. Why can't you trust me?


  |u/TheyStoleTwoFigo - 8 hours
  |
  |My absolute favourite Disney *scene is the "Decision" scene, her
  |finding her resolve under the Guardian Dragon statue in the
  |thundering rain(which I only later in my adult life interpreted as
  |her being the actual Guardian Dragon "awakening" to protect the
  |family), the camera angle of her footsteps walking to that bomb ass
  |synthesizer was a total boss moment, the elegant way she held the
  |incense and the little ritual/prayer she performed to the ancestors
  |for her safe journey, her reflection on the sword as she draws it to
  |cut her hair, everything, everything made it such an epic moment. The
  |cinematography, the dramatization, the symbolization, everything was
  |so damn good.


  |u/Regular_Ability116 - 9 hours
  |
  |The writers even opt for a bit of realism when she outright gets
  |kicked out of the army cuz she couldn’t physically keep up with the
  |men. She re-earned her place by proving her intelligence and
  |persistence (when she retrieves the arrow).


  |u/oishster - 7 hours
  |
  |I also loved that Mulan’s never actually shown as hating being
  |feminine - she wears feminine clothes at the beginning, and when
  |she’s supposed to go see the matchmaker, it’s not the clothing or
  |appearance she has a problem with, it’s stifling her own personality
  |and opinions. Also, when she first joins the camp of men, she’s
  |clearly bad at pretending to be masculine. They think she’s a weirdo
  |when she’s posturing and boasting, but accept her when she’s more
  |honest about herself.  However, the movie DOES have a bit of not-
  |like-other-girls-ish tendencies because there are so few female
  |characters other than Mulan, but in general is very pro-feminine
  |characteristics in a way that was kind of advanced for the 90s.  I
  |loved that at the end when she takes down Shan Yu, she’s actually
  |dressed in a feminine way, and she counters his giant wicked-looking
  |sword with her sweet feminine little fan. SO much cool symbolism
  |there!


|u/burnt_toasst - 13 hours
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|Clarice in Silence of the Lambs


  |u/Methzilla - 12 hours
  |
  |It's great because the movie acknowledges her strengths, weakness and
  |challenges as a woman. Often lazy writers make a woman character
  |strong by just making her more masculine. Clarice is a decidedly
  |feminine lead (petite, soft spoken, etc) yet still a complete badass.


    |u/Ezira - 12 hours
    |
    |I love how it acknowledges her challenges too. She's not constantly
    |complaining "ugh, men 🙄" to the audience, we're just shown her
    |actual world. The shot of her in the elevator at the beginning of
    |the film is one of my favorites.


      |u/Methzilla - 12 hours
      |
      |Absolutely. No amount of social equality can ever account for the
      |image of that elevator scene. It's great.


        |u/abqkat - 9 hours
        |
        |I'm 6'F and that scene really pointed out things that I'm
        |pretty insulated from on professional settings. Now, it goes
        |the other way for me, where I'm "intimidating" just for
        |existing.. but that scene prompted me to ask some of my smaller
        |friends about their experiences and how being physically small
        |can make people treat you small in affect


      |u/TransBrandi - 6 hours
      |
      |> She's not constantly complaining "ugh, men 🙄" to the audience
      |Honestly, I think that some of this is more a symptom of media
      |spoon-feeding the audience in general. Rather than just showing
      |them.  Like if they want to make a comment about how women are
      |treated in the work place you can just have a scene of male co-
      |workers belittling her in some way and her reaction to it. She
      |doesn't need to turn to the camera, roll her eyes and then make a
      |comment about men.


  |u/macacolouco - 13 hours
  |
  |Also, Dana Scully in The X-Files (inspired by Clarice).


    |u/Firelord_11 - 12 hours
    |
    |I fucking love Dana Scully. I know people always talk about the
    |"Dana Scully Effect" on women, but even as a guy, I really admire
    |and have been influenced by her. I think one of the hallmark of a
    |well written female character is someone who has appeal regardless
    |of gender.


      |u/Jeramy_Jones - 11 hours
      |
      |IIRC all STEM jobs and FBI saw increased female enrollment post
      |XFiles.


  |u/CheekyMunky - 13 hours
  |
  |This is the top answer imo. In the book particularly.   The movie did
  |a fine job of translating, and Jodie Foster played the character
  |well, but a always there's a lot of subtext and inner conflict in the
  |books that gets lost in movie form but adds a lot of depth to
  |Clarice's character.


|u/Expressdough - 12 hours
|
|Michelle Yeoh in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.   She’s not a one
|dimensional, no emotions having badass trope of a character. Her
|femininity wasn’t cut in order for her to be “strong”. She’s a whole
|human being.


  |u/essenceofmeaning - 5 hours
  |
  |Michelle Yeoh in everything! Also Everything Everywhere All the Time
  |- flawed, complex, loving, angry, funny, just absolutely incredible.
  |I’ll watch every single movie she’s in.


  |u/cafezinho - 6 hours
  |
  |And she's really the center of this story, more so than Chow Yun Fat.
  |Yes, it's as much about this unrequited love between his character
  |and hers that makes it heart-breaking.  There is a similar kind of
  |character of Maggie Cheung in Hero.  This is told almost Rashomon-
  |style as each recollection of the story comes close to the truth.
  |It is basically about how Tony Leung's character decides that having
  |an emperor, ruthless as he may be, is good for China (which is not
  |exactly a great message, but interesting in its moral choice), but
  |for that emperor to be effective, the heroes have to die so as not to
  |always present a constant threat.   And, of course, the movie is
  |amazingly beautiful.  There's a similar theme (but not to the same
  |degree) in Watchmen.


  |u/odd_lightbeam - 6 hours
  |
  |And, importantly, she has a fully-fleshed out and complex
  |relationship with another woman - and it's not a relationship just
  |about a man, it's actually about the conflicts between their
  |different stages in life. The differences of their perspectives are
  |because basically they have opposite life experiences and opposite
  |desires. Shu Lien wasn't a privileged noble with obligations, she
  |survived a "career" as a fighting woman and wanted to settle down and
  |retire with the man she loved - because she wanted to, not because
  |she had to. Jen was a privileged noble girl who wanted to control her
  |own destiny for a change, to have adventure and passionate sex with a
  |(very hot and young) scoundrel.  Their fights are about these
  |clashes, symbolized in the sword. It's literally named the Green
  |(jade) Destiny in the English version. The older, mature woman is
  |telling the girl to be responsible while lecturing her about what the
  |right thing to do is (chasing her and trying to get take back the
  |Destiny). Jen refuses to be told what to do, and refuses to give up
  |her right to self determination (the fight in the dojo, after which
  |she literally tells Li Mu Bai "not another lecture!").  Notice that
  |their relationship and conflict is not about a man.


|u/thebelsnickle1991 - 13 hours
|
|Ellen Ripley in Alien. She’s the OG.


  |u/fulthrottlejazzhands - 13 hours
  |
  |I rewatched Aliens incidentally a few days ago.  Ripley is not just
  |one of the best female protaganists in film, she is one of the best
  |full stop.  


    |u/FromundaCheeseLigma - 13 hours
    |
    |I guess she didn't like the cornbread neither


    |u/StarChaser_Tyger - 11 hours
    |
    |It's because she was written as a character first, not 'how many
    |feminist stereotypes can we jam into this?'. She is a character
    |that happens to be a woman, not a woman character.


      |u/Midstix - 9 hours
      |
      |If I recall correctly, Ripley was not gendered in the original
      |screenplay.


        |u/girl_im_deepressed - 8 hours
        |
        |According to the screenwriters O'Bannon and Shusett: **they'd
        |intentionally written all the roles generically; they made a
        |note in the script that explicitly states, "The crew is unisex
        |and all parts are interchangeable for men or women." This freed
        |Scott, Selway, and Goldberg to interpret the characters as they
        |pleased, and to cast accordingly.**


          |u/JoystickMonkey - 6 hours
          |
          |That is fucking rad. Thanks for sharing that bit of info.


        |u/Unnamedgalaxy - 9 hours
        |
        |I've read that all the characters were written blind of gender
        |and how they were cast ended up just being by chance.  Any
        |character could have been different


      |u/AVeryFineUsername - 10 hours
      |
      |When she’s going to go rescue Newt you can tell she’s scared, but
      |resolves to do it anyways.  A character with true bravery with a
      |strong will to overcome fear and do what needs to be done.  Every
      |other character would have written newt off as dead


  |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
  |
  |Ellen is honestly one of the best examples out there fr. They wrote
  |her character really well for sure.


|u/Independent_Lack_658 - 13 hours
|
|Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor.


  |u/Jahaangle - 13 hours
  |
  |Stabbed through the shoulder, one hand reloading her shotgun, almost
  |taking out the T-1000 herself only to run out of ammo.   Her first
  |instinct is to protect John before the T-800 shows up.   That scene
  |is brilliant.


    |u/Heiminator - 11 hours
    |
    |Icing on the cake is that John can immediately tell who the fake
    |Sarah is in that scene. Cause his mother would never dare to risk
    |his life to save her own.


      |u/pcard2256 - 8 hours
      |
      |That moment is *chef’s kiss.* John just *knows* because no one
      |loves you like your mom, especially when she’s willing to turn
      |into a one-woman army to make sure you’re safe. Fake Sarah didn’t
      |stand a chance!


      |u/MonotoneTanner - 11 hours
      |
      |Wow good point amazing observation


    |u/SayNoToStim - 12 hours
    |
    |Her escape from the mental institution is one of the best scenes in
    |film, across any genres. Watching the cause of all of your problems
    |walk around the corner just as she's escaping from those said
    |problems is going to break anyone, and two minutes later she's
    |leaning out a car window as it drives shooting at the T1000.


      |u/XchrisZ - 12 hours
      |
      |Her yelling at John to get back under the bullet proof vests
      |while shooting out of the back of a moving vehicle. Such a great
      |example of a mother being a mother and a bad ass.


        |u/JonDCafLikeTheDrink - 9 hours
        |
        |She's a bad-ass mother


      |u/Heiminator - 11 hours
      |
      |Full agree. When I was a kid I thought the intro and the ending
      |were the coolest parts. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that
      |Connor breaking out of the mental hospital is the best part in
      |one of the best movies ever made.   Few other scenes in all of
      |cinema make me physically wince like the one where she beats the
      |security guard with the broken broom handle during her escape.


        |u/DeluxeTraffic - 11 hours
        |
        |If you watch the extended edition then that broom handle
        |beatdown is actually incredibly satisfying


    |u/Grimdotdotdot - 12 hours
    |
    |It is _very_ hard to pump a shotgun with one hand. The lady was
    |_strong_.


      |u/GoblinKing79 - 10 hours
      |
      |Did you see Linda Hamilton's guns in that movie? And I don't mean
      |the firearms.


        |u/mlaislais - 8 hours
        |
        |I watched T2 before the first terminator so when I finally
        |watched the original it took a lot of convincing to get me to
        |believe it was the same actor.


          |u/nanie1017 - 4 hours
          |
          |Right!! She was so soft and vulnerable in the first film, and
          |such a trauma hardened person in the second. The scene where
          |the T800 comes out of the elevator and she skids to a stop
          |while running to escape is SO good. She goes from a totally
          |focused, organized and resourceful badass to a complete
          |puddle of fear in a split second.


        |u/A_of - 6 hours
        |
        |Yeah I remember her getting jacked for the second terminator,
        |she really looked like a rebel fighter.


        |u/robodrew - 5 hours
        |
        |She worked so hard for that because of Arnold and when she got
        |on set he said "'I cant believe that son of a bitch is fucking
        |more cut than me" lmao


  |u/IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES - 12 hours
  |
  |T1 to T2 is quite a change for the character too  T2 was my first R
  |rated movie. I was 8 or 9 and my grandmother took me as my cousin
  |said I’d like it and it wasn’t inappropriate for me. Gram said “oooh”
  |loudly when Sarah was doing pull-ups. 


    |u/Gram64 - 11 hours
    |
    |But it makes sense, she was just a normal 80s girl, and then with
    |everything that happens in T1, you aren't just going back to your
    |old life no matter how it ends.


      |u/McMetal770 - 5 hours
      |
      |It's easy to forget that the events of T1 take place over only a
      |few days. One moment she was waiting tables, then the surreal
      |"You're dead, honey" moment happens, and then everything in her
      |life turns upside down and changes forever. She almost dies
      |countless times, loses everyone she cares about, learns about the
      |horrific future that awaits humanity, falls in love, becomes
      |pregnant, loses that love, and kills a seemingly unstoppable
      |monster. That's a lot of shit to happen to a person in a
      |lifetime, much less a week.  And then in between the events of T1
      |and T2, she has to somehow put herself back together mentally and
      |dedicate the rest of her life to saving humanity, knowing that
      |she will die trying. Even when she loses custody of John and is
      |imprisoned in the mental ward, she never loses her will to carry
      |on. As soon as she knows John is in danger, she improvises a plan
      |on the spot, busts out of the place, and then carries on the
      |fight.  The mental and emotional fortitude it would take to turn
      |the nightmarish trauma of the first film into the driven, steely,
      |relentlessly competent woman we see in T2 is unimaginable.


    |u/GrallochThis - 11 hours
    |
    |Sounds like Gram had an awakening


  |u/PrestigiousBar5411 - 12 hours
  |
  |YES.  I can rewatch T-2 all day.  One of the greatest films ever made


    |u/FartKilometre - 8 hours
    |
    |It still blows my mind how well it holds up today from when it came
    |out in 1991. Its an absolute showcase for good practical effects.
    |The very first scene, with the single endoskeleton crushing the
    |skull and looking around felt way more menacing and dangerous than
    |the army of CG skeletons shown in T3.


  |u/DJLJR26 - 11 hours
  |
  |"A few days before we start shooting [director] Jim Cameron says to
  |me, let's all get together and have a nice dinner," the actor
  |recalls. "Linda comes in and then she takes her sweater off and I'm
  |looking at her arms. Veins on the biceps and then the triceps —
  |everything was like a bodybuilder except miniature."   "I said, 'I
  |cant believe that son of a bitch is f---ing more cut than me,'" the
  |actor recalled with a smile.     She put so much work in to look the
  |part that a former mr universe was impressed. She killed it in that
  |role.


|u/burtsdog - 13 hours
|
|She may not have been the 'main' protagonist but Rachel Weisz as Evelyn
|in The Mummy (1999) was for me the perfect mix of feminine, brains and
|grit. Just loved her. And she wasn't a mary sue either. She make
|mistakes.


  |u/KGBFriedChicken02 - 12 hours
  |
  |Follow up, it would have been real easy to create some sort of
  |relationship drama for her and Rick for the sequel, and instead they
  |made them a happy, successful, married couple that comunicates their
  |issues like healthy adults, raising a well adjusted, well mannered
  |son, all while hunting and killing an ancient evil for the second
  |time in a row, and none of it feels even slightly under done.


    |u/ChurchyardGrimm - 12 hours
    |
    |That dynamic is absolutely all I want from media, I am so tired of
    |getting-together stories and have a powerful need for secure
    |married couples being affectionate BAMFs together.


      |u/ArcadianBlueRogue - 10 hours
      |
      |that's one of the reasons the latest Spider-Man comics run is so
      |popular. We get an older Peter and MJ in a healthy relationship
      |being super supportive of each other and raising their kids. It's
      |amazing


        |u/ChillinChum - 9 hours
        |
        |You mean the writers have stopped being so sadistic to
        |spiderman?!


          |u/ArcadianBlueRogue - 9 hours
          |
          |I mean, the Amazing run still has that crap.  Ultimate
          |Spider-Man has a happily married Peter supporting MJ and her
          |fully supporting him. They got two kids and it''s not a bunch
          |of "keep everything secret from the family" stuff going down.
          |Been a great run so far.


    |u/Unicornmayo - 12 hours
    |
    |The first two movies are so damn great. 


      |u/Stillwater215 - 11 hours
      |
      |I wish they would make a third…


    |u/vonHindenburg - 8 hours
    |
    |I also love that they come up with a totally reasonable way for her
    |fop of a brother to be useful.  Sure he's an alcoholic party boy
    |who hates getting his hands dirty, but he was on the shooting team
    |in school and can snipe with the best of them.


    |u/The_Paprika - 6 hours
    |
    |This is going to sound very random but this is one of things I love
    |about the How to Train Your Dragon series. Once Hiccup and Astrid
    |get together you see them have a very healthy relationship over the
    |next two movies.


  |u/BigRedTeapot - 12 hours
  |
  |I…. Am… A librarian!


    |u/MonsiuerGeneral - 12 hours
    |
    |Ah. I know. You’re wondering... what is a place like me doing in a
    |girl like this?


      |u/SnidgetAsphodel - 12 hours
      |
      |One of the my favorite movie lines. She's fantastic haha


    |u/lyerhis - 11 hours
    |
    |No lie, I think that scene is what makes The Mummy one of my
    |favorite comfort-watch movies. Just the completely oblivious,
    |drunken pride she has about being a librarian makes me so happy
    |every time.


    |u/SirRuthless001 - 10 hours
    |
    |One of my favorite lines in the entire movie. The way her face
    |lights up with pride as she proclaims her profession lol. Great
    |movie.


  |u/javerthugo - 11 hours
  |
  |Patience is a vir-tue!


    |u/Yesitmatches - 11 hours
    |
    |Not right now it isn't!


  |u/ArcadianBlueRogue - 10 hours
  |
  |This is a good answer. She has every bit as much agency in 1 and 2 as
  |Rick does.  I rewatched the first one when it came back to theaters a
  |few months ago and it holds up so well. Just a super fun movie and
  |she and Brennan are so great in it.


  |u/JJBrazman - 12 hours
  |
  |Rachel Weisz is always fucking great. Have you seen her in the
  |Lobster? She’s such an original soul.


|u/Paxa - 13 hours
|
|Kim Wexler


  |u/ItsEarthDay - 13 hours
  |
  |I never realized just how strong her character was until she moved to
  |Florida and became a shell of the person she used to be, where she
  |became just an average person. Then, you see her old strong self
  |flare up when she returned to Albuquerque.


    |u/Specialist_Egg7117 - 10 hours
    |
    |I think her moving to FL was an example of how strong of a person
    |she was actually.  She had actual remorse for what she did, and
    |knew she didn’t deserve to practice law anymore. She resigned
    |herself to a simple life intentionally, unlike Jimmy, who was
    |addicted to chaos. 


      |u/the_pounding_mallet - 10 hours
      |
      |I think that’s why fun and games is my favorite episode. Kim
      |makes her decision while we see Saul, Mike, and Gus not be able
      |to change.


    |u/Shirtbro - 11 hours
    |
    |The decision to substitute Miracle Whip for mayonnaise is not taken
    |lightly


    |u/badger_and_tonic - 11 hours
    |
    |Yep. Yep. Yep.


  |u/SpicyAfrican - 11 hours
  |
  |A travesty that Rhea didn’t get an Emmy for Kim Wexler.


    |u/Sonjicak - 10 hours
    |
    |Or the whole show in general, didn't get a single one


      |u/Intelligent_Grade372 - 10 hours
      |
      |Lalo and Kim deserved multiple noms and multiple wins.


      |u/khaleesi_me_maybe - 7 hours
      |
      |isn’t that dumb? i believe it holds the record for most
      |nominations without winning. because this is the bad timeline!


    |u/Never_Gonna_Let - 10 hours
    |
    |Yeah, obviously Bob Odenkirk is a phenomenal actor, it's a big
    |chunk of why he got some movie deals and the spinoff happened in
    |the first place.  But his character wasn't as complex as Wexler.
    |She maintained that moral compass while doing some incredibly
    |immoral things, and all the conflicts, all the pride, sadness and
    |anger, guilt, fear were palpable when she was acting.  Michael
    |Mando and Jonathan Banks deserve shoutouts too, but one of Rhea's
    |three Emmy noms should have brought home the win.  She did such a
    |good job expressing a lot of complicated emotions in a character
    |that was written with a lot of depth.  I thought at the very least
    |she'd see more work after such a kickass performance.  Only thing
    |I've seen her in since was Kite Man: Hell Yeah (where she voiced
    |the insect queen).  That lady can act!  She should do it more.


  |u/CabbageStockExchange - 11 hours
  |
  |One of the most complex characters I’ve seen. She’s definitely a
  |great example of a strong female protagonists done right. I always
  |think of that line she says early on  “You don’t save me. I save me”


  |u/GeneralFuzuki7 - 12 hours
  |
  |Started watching for Saul and stayed because how great kim was in
  |that show


    |u/aretaker - 10 hours
    |
    |I’m watching it now and trying to perfect my Kim Wexler ponytail.


      |u/finally_wintermuted - 10 hours
      |
      |For my money, that’s a ponytail worth risking it all.


    |u/CaptainFilmy - 9 hours
    |
    |It's really as much Kim's story as it is Jimmy's


      |u/GeneralFuzuki7 - 9 hours
      |
      |100000% true. It was a great insight into how jimmy became Saul
      |Goodman, and without Kim it wouldn’t have turned out the same.
      |She was one of the most interesting parts of the entire show.
      |Seeing how her character developed over the seasons and her
      |relationship with jimmy was just perfectly crafted. I’d have
      |watched a Kim spin off if it was even possible to do.


  |u/hellomolly11 - 10 hours
  |
  |I finished Better Caul Saul about a year ago and I still think of how
  |composed and disciplined Kim Wexler is, and how much compromising it
  |must have taken for her to live a new, mundane life in Florida. She’s
  |actually inspirational in her professionalism and dedication.


  |u/explicitlarynx - 10 hours
  |
  |I don't think any female role I've seen in my life has even come
  |close to Kim Wexler.


  |u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 - 12 hours
  |
  |Great shout out. Phenomenal character and show.


  |u/Flat_Entertainer_937 - 8 hours
  |
  |The only correct answer.  I love that her draw to a “bad guy” isn’t
  |daddy issues. It’s a poor upbringing. Which is directly paralleled by
  |Jimmy’s relationship with his mom.  It’s SO rare that a woman gets to
  |be equally as damaged as the protagonist, and actually be the good
  |guy in the end. Without ever being a delicate little flower.


  |u/deusasclepian - 11 hours
  |
  |One of the best and most interesting woman characters ever written in
  |my opinion


|u/danklinxie - 12 hours
|
|Chihiro in Spirited Away… she starts out as a scared little girl who
|needs protection from those around her to becoming someone who, through
|her own decisions and courage, finds clever ways to protect herself and
|her loved ones.


  |u/Tsuhume - 5 hours
  |
  |Maybe its me but I like Chihiro in the ways that she doesn't change.
  |She grows as a character but she always feels like herself. Even in
  |the final scene, she holds her parents because she is unsure and a
  |little scared. Its moments like these that separates her and cement
  |her position in the zeitgeist.


|u/ZTH-Yankee - 13 hours
|
|Samantha Carter from Stargate


  |u/bitemark01 - 9 hours
  |
  |They were originally going to have her in a more revealing outfit
  |than the guys, but the actor protested, saying something along the
  |line of: this this is the military, we would all be wearing the same
  |thing.    Which I think ultimately helps with the show's credibility.


    |u/KesselRunner42 - 9 hours
    |
    |IIRC, they had to be strict about her hair style/length too because
    |they were trying to be realistic to what she'd be allowed in the
    |military


      |u/HookDragger - 6 hours
      |
      |Considering it was EXTREMELY well backed by the US Air Force,
      |they made sure to portray it as great as possible... but also not
      |100% unrealistic in how people look and act.


        |u/VampireFrown - 6 hours
        |
        |Indeed (ayy), every episode had an Air Force consultant on set.


          |u/MajorNoodles - 6 hours
          |
          |The actual Air Force Chief of Staff was in one episode


            |u/Jerithil - 5 hours
            |
            |Two different Chief of Staffs appeared in episodes.


    |u/No_Potato5806 - 8 hours
    |
    |I didn't know this, that makes her even cooler knowing the actress
    |did that


  |u/Paula92 - 9 hours
  |
  |Vala Mal Doran too. At first I didn't take her seriously because, oh,
  |she's the sexy alien fanservice girl. But then she grew out of it as
  |she got used to Daniel treating her like a person and friend.


  |u/TheSnackWhisperer - 12 hours
  |
  |Way too far down this post.


    |u/TrappedInABoxByMimes - 10 hours
    |
    |Exactly what I was gonna say. 


  |u/zyh0 - 9 hours
  |
  |I like how during the one season when she was in-charge of Atlantis,
  |she defeats the Replicators, defeats Michael and his hybrids, and the
  |Wraith are in-fighting.  As Jack O'Neill said it best when the
  |Atlantis team came to rescue him "Next time., bring Carter!!"


  |u/SmallBol - 10 hours
  |
  |Same with Dr Weir. And Teyla. Great female characters in the Stargate
  |series'


|u/DaMosey - 13 hours
|
|All the Ghibli protagonists


  |u/Soulerous - 13 hours
  |
  |I was going to say this.  The female stars in Hayao Miyazaki’s films
  |have concerns and fears, yet they also have the courage  and strength
  |to press through adversity and succeed. They are stoic at times, and
  |emotionally expressive—even to the point of tears—other times.  They
  |are real, flawed, relatable, heroic, and have noticeable character
  |progression and true strength. Some of the best examples of strong
  |female characters.


    |u/Kelter82 - 12 hours
    |
    |And their indentites/successes/motivations do not revolve around a
    |man.


  |u/kharmatika - 12 hours
  |
  |Absolutely. “I am a little girl and I’m going to set out to start my
  |own business and make my way on the world using my ~~creativity~~
  |magic but OH NO I have been struck by ~~depression and
  |disillusionment with adulthood~~ a magic sucking flu! Guess I’ll rely
  |on my community for support, find productive ways to keep moving and
  |visit a woodsy lesbian crow woman for a few weeks to do art therapy,
  |and eventually ~~come out of this depressive episode~~ get my magic
  |back!  Such a fucking g amazing story, she’s granted so much autonomy
  |as a character, all her decisions feel important, and her challenges
  |feel big enough that it’s significant when she is able to overcome
  |them. THAT is how you write strong women.


    |u/PlaguesAngel - 11 hours
    |
    |Was that supposed to be a metaphor…am I silly? I think I’m silly.
    |I’ve watched it so many times and never took it as a metaphor….im
    |silly


      |u/TheTwistedToast - 10 hours
      |
      |I think Kiki's delivery service is absolutely a metaphor for
      |depression


        |u/DandyLyen - 9 hours
        |
        |I felt it was more burnout in general. "Flying used to be fun,
        |until I started doing it for a living..."


          |u/oilofotay - 6 hours
          |
          |1000% this. When Kiki visits Ursula (her artist friend) she
          |even talks about artists block and burnout and how she fights
          |through it.


        |u/hannah_joline - 10 hours
        |
        |I think lots of people today will also relate it to burnout as
        |well.


    |u/2020popcicle - 9 hours
    |
    |You just blew my mind. I watched this movie so much as a kid and i
    |could NOT figure out why it resonated with me


  |u/FZ1_Flanker - 12 hours
  |
  |Nausicaä is one of my favorite characters in any piece of media!


    |u/blvcklite - 11 hours
    |
    |Nausicaa, Mononoke, and Chihiro are a legendary trio 


  |u/Delicious-Tachyons - 12 hours
  |
  |Question for you that it's semi-related. Is Mononoke a protagonist?
  |She's kind of one side of an argument about industrialization but
  |she's also a total badass.


    |u/SwampgrotSage - 12 hours
    |
    |Ashitaka is the protagonist of Princess Mononoke, as he comes first
    |and it is largely his perspective through which we experience the
    |story.  San (the wolf princess) and Lady Eboshi are both supporting
    |cast, but they are great, well-rounded female characters
    |nonetheless.


      |u/greywolf2155 - 8 hours
      |
      |> San (the wolf princess) and Lady Eboshi are both supporting
      |cast, but they are great, well-rounded female characters
      |nonetheless.  Add in Toki (the woman who is kind of the
      |unofficial leader of the women working the bellows) and you have
      |three "strong female" characters that are all strong in
      |*different* ways  Great fucking movie


  |u/NeitherSparky - 8 hours
  |
  |Miyazaki was at one of the San Diego Comic-Cons I went to. During the
  |Q&A a girl asked him why so many of his protagonists were girls. His
  |(translated) answer was “Because women are beautiful, and they are
  |strong.”


|u/Sudden-Suggestions - 13 hours
|
|Chrisjen Avasarala (The Expanse) - intelligent and ambitious,
|unapologetic, but also capable of personal reflection and growth.


  |u/Vexonte - 13 hours
  |
  |That show and book series just has generally well written characters
  |all around.


    |u/Cambot1138 - 12 hours
    |
    |The most notable thing is how much thought and effort that went
    |into minor and even single appearance characters. It always feels
    |like you’re just seeing another whole persons story intersecting
    |with the main characters. Examples: the big guy who helps Naomi
    |load the Weeping Somnambulist, the Doctors Without Borders guy who
    |wants to get into Eros, Lieutenant Lopez, etc.


      |u/Vexonte - 12 hours
      |
      |Its like how bioware used to make character that acted as
      |characters within themselves, introspections on their greater
      |cultures, and introspection on the tropes they represent.
      |Expanse has the added benefit of understanding how characters
      |work on a systematic level. Hey, beurucrats exist let's
      |demonstrate how an effective one works. Hey you can't have a
      |single character run every aspect of the ship. Here is how skill
      |pools are divided among the 4-man crew, and how Amos and Miller
      |demonstrate greater intelligence as characters that would be
      |useally be relegated to the dumb jocks.


  |u/AYASOFAYA - 13 hours
  |
  |Yeah all of the women in that show were good, but Avasarala is a good
  |example of how to do this without making her physically strong as a
  |trope.


    |u/Icandothemove - 8 hours
    |
    |They all are, except Bobby.   Even Drummer who's a certified bad
    |ass too isn't super powered. She's just tough as fuckin nails.


  |u/timtheonly - 13 hours
  |
  |Try not to put your dick in this. It's fucked enough already.
  |-Chrisjen Avasarala


    |u/Fearlessleader85 - 12 hours
    |
    |"Where are you going with this?"  "WHEREVER I GODDAMN LIKE!!" -
    |Avasarala


      |u/Afalstein - 12 hours
      |
      |The thing is just how sudden that line is.  Avasarala has been
      |polite, reserved, demure in the proceedings up to that point, and
      |then in a moment she immediately establishes that she's not in
      |the least fooled by this charade.  She knows the Martians are
      |rolling over for a reason and can't do anything to stop her.


        |u/Fearlessleader85 - 12 hours
        |
        |Yep, just "Sit down and shut up, little boy, I'm not playing
        |your game." Fucking brilliant.  And then right back to sweet
        |grandmother.


    |u/McMew - 12 hours
    |
    |"Where are going with this line of questioning?"   *"Wherever I
    |goddamn like!"*


  |u/ChronoLegion2 - 13 hours
  |
  |Bobbie Draper too


    |u/doctor_7 - 13 hours
    |
    |Shit, I think every woman in that entire show is power house.


      |u/GuestCartographer - 13 hours
      |
      |This. Naomi and Drummer were both badasses who got shit done.


        |u/LMurch13 - 12 hours
        |
        |I loved Drummer.


          |u/RizInstante - 11 hours
          |
          |I'd follow drummer anywhere


            |u/Beneficial-Truth8512 - 7 hours
            |
            |Same she was such a good leader character


          |u/bickspickle - 9 hours
          |
          |Cara Gee played the part so well too.


          |u/mr_blanket - 10 hours
          |
          |My Bossmang.   Beltalodah!


        |u/Fthku - 12 hours
        |
        |I liked show Naomi in the first season, but I felt like she got
        |really annoying in later seasons. Book Naomi is great, though.


        |u/blipblewp - 11 hours
        |
        |When I need to be brave at work I listen to Drummer's speech on
        |the bridge of the Behemoth and then I go kick ass.


      |u/Luxuriousmoth1 - 12 hours
      |
      |It's great because they all embody different forms of "strong
      |female protagonist". They're not just a female character written
      |as a guy.   Avasarala is cunning, politically devious,
      |extravagant, and fiercely dedicated to doing what she believes
      |needs to be done to protect earth.   Naomi Nagata is brilliant,
      |motherly, and while she hates being party to violence, she
      |understands it's importance.   Bobbie is tough, dedicated,
      |patriotic. She believes in the dream of Mars, and we see her grow
      |as a person though the series.


        |u/Fappy_as_a_Clam - 11 hours
        |
        |>Avasarala is cunning, politically devious, extravagant, and
        |fiercely dedicated to doing what she believes needs to be done
        |to protect earth.  And she was as well spoken as a poet. The
        |way she said things was incredibly thought out and and almost
        |like lyrics to a song. Her character was an amazing wordsmith.
        |At least she was in the books.


          |u/Kettrickan - 8 hours
          |
          |>And she was as well spoken as a poet. The way she said
          |things was incredibly thought out and and almost like lyrics
          |to a song. Her character was an amazing wordsmith.  She is
          |married to Arjun after all. His farewell haiku to her in book
          |2 is one of my favorite parting sentiments of all time.
          |Almost brought me to tears first time I read that chapter.  >
          |If life transcends death  > Then I will seek for you there  >
          |If not, then there too


    |u/Arbiter_89 - 12 hours
    |
    |+1 for both of these but especially Draper. I think all the women
    |in the Expanse are exceptionally well written. I can't read this
    |thread any further because I need to avoid spoilers.


  |u/SluggishPrey - 12 hours
  |
  |I also really liked Camina Drummer. On the surface she's cold and
  |practical, but her motivations are altruistic. I love the way she
  |negotiates the line between pragmatism and idealism.


    |u/Stampy77 - 11 hours
    |
    |It's absolutely mad when you hear the actress speak in real life.
    |Really shows how class she was in the role. 


    |u/dravas - 7 hours
    |
    |Listen up. This is your captain. And this is your ship. This is
    |your moment. You may think that you're scared, but you're not. That
    |isn't fear, that's your sharpness, that's your power. We are
    |Belters. Nothing in the void is foreign to us. The place we go, is
    |the place we belong. This is no different. No one has more right to
    |this. None more prepared. Inyalowda go through the ring, call it
    |their own, but a Belta opened it! We are the Belt! We are strong,
    |we are sharp, and we don't feel fear! This moment belong to us! For
    |Beltalowda!


  |u/SapphireWych - 12 hours
  |
  |Came here to mention The Expanse! Currently reading the series (and
  |concurrently rewatching the show) and the female characters are so
  |well written, while also being completely unique to one another.
  |They're all powerful in their own environments and don't let anyone
  |steamroll over them.


  |u/skipskedaddle - 11 hours
  |
  |The expanse generally.  Avasarala, Naomi, Drummer, Bobbie - all well
  |balanced in context.


  |u/CallMeKolbasz - 11 hours
  |
  |She's incredible both in the book and in the show. Shoutout to
  |whoever cast Shohreh Aghdashloo for her character, because she's a
  |perfect fit.  Honestly, the Expanse is a prime example of how to do
  |things right.


  |u/petethecanuck - 11 hours
  |
  |Just don't call her Chrissy.


    |u/Driftmoth - 11 hours
    |
    |I am the Secretary General, not your favorite stripper!


      |u/arena_alias - 10 hours
      |
      |You can be both.


  |u/Mercury756 - 11 hours
  |
  |She was just amazing. I could also just listen to Aghdashloo recite
  |the ingredients on cereal boxes, she has such a great voice.


|u/AlluringRocketry - 13 hours
|
|Elle Woods


  |u/Raktoner - 13 hours
  |
  |I love how feminine she is. An absolute girly girl and yet she
  |totally rocks as the main character. And when the other girl thinks
  |she's trying to sleep with the professor but instead they actually
  |just talk it out instead of use miscommunication as a plot device?
  |Such a good movie.


    |u/leobubby - 12 hours
    |
    |Yes 🩷 So happy this movie came out when I was 13 years old, her
    |persona and the way she handled being girlie and pinkish and
    |intelligent at the same time was so fundamentally important for my
    |self development. I can be girly and funny and interesting AND
    |smart all at the same time and I will not let anyone dull my shine!


      |u/trauma_queen - 11 hours
      |
      |And her innate kindness shows throughout the movie as well! It
      |comes off as true security - not feeling the need to put others
      |down or act superior, lifting others up! I am in a male dominated
      |profession, and I am so grateful that where I work currently, the
      |women are team players , secure, kind, and genuinely support one
      |another. Elle woods is interesting and smart and girly... And the
      |antithesis of a mean girl. I love that most of all


      |u/Tackybabe - 10 hours
      |
      |I had a group of students who bleached / highlighted their hair
      |blonde and had long nails and had … elaborate makeup - and this
      |was at maybe 14 years of age… those girls consistently got the
      |highest marks in the class and they had good attitudes and they
      |were involved in extracurricular activities - I don’t know how
      |they found the time, but they excelled at everything!


    |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
    |
    |This!! Especially since this is such a real issue so many women
    |face. If they had made “miscommunication” a plot device it would
    |have completely ruined (or at least taken away from) the
    |powerfulness of the movie.


      |u/bug--bear - 9 hours
      |
      |I love that in the musical it's Vivian, who _did_ assume a lot of
      |shit about Elle, that sees the situation for what it is (Callahan
      |being a creep and trying to force himself on Elle), goes to
      |encourage and apologise to Elle, and dumps her fiancee for making
      |fun of the poor girl who just got assaulted by their professor
      |Vivian will never be feminine the way Elle is, but she genuinely
      |tries to reach out to her through fashion in Legally Blonde –
      |Remix ("and you look great in dark blue!" + "you've got the best
      |freaking shoes!") because she recognises that it's important to
      |her to be seen as both intelligent and girly


    |u/ms-anthrope - 12 hours
    |
    |I love when girlie girls are portrayed as tough and smart and
    |strong.


      |u/truecreature - 8 hours
      |
      |Same. Most of the time when people try to write badass female
      |characters in their works, they think that means a gruff tomboy
      |who could just as easily have been written as a male character
      |instead. As if women can't be strong without being masculinized.


    |u/nowhereman136 - 11 hours
    |
    |She's also legitimately smart at the beginning of the film. She's
    |president of her sorority, on the Dean's list, and scores a 179 on
    |the LSAT, which puts her in the 90th percentile. This all before
    |she even steps foot into Harvard


    |u/rmk2 - 12 hours
    |
    |I love how she’s a girl’s girl and empowers the women around her.
    |Never catty or competitive, even when she could have been


  |u/EatYourCheckers - 12 hours
  |
  |I love how she is kind and nice. She could have been written as a
  |stereotypical stuck up bitch but she tries to be friendly to
  |everyone.


    |u/Rooney_Tuesday - 10 hours
    |
    |I’m struck by this every time I watch it. There are so many times
    |she could have been petty or rude back to people who were rude to
    |her, but she never was. Just an all-round good person who was also
    |not a doormat.  ETA Except the time she said, “I don’t use that
    |word. You must have heard it from Vivian.” But we can give that a
    |pass because let’s be honest: Vivian would totally call someone a
    |dyke. Elle was just being honest there.


      |u/jaygeebee_ - 9 hours
      |
      |Also, “when I dress up as a frigid bitch, I try not to look so
      |constipated” was ice cold but also well deserved haha


        |u/Vexonar - 8 hours
        |
        |I think it shows when people are pushed to their limits,
        |they're not afraid to show claws. Sometimes, you have to.


      |u/jimmyhoke - 10 hours
      |
      |Elle Woods is a brilliant character because she’s the inverse of
      |the stereotypical dumb blonde.


  |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
  |
  |LOVE Legally Blonde, one of my favorite movies of all time. I love
  |the progression of her character. Plus, the musical is an absolute
  |banger.


    |u/BrettAmbler - 11 hours
    |
    |Met my wife doing this musical!


    |u/50isthenew35 - 10 hours
    |
    |One of the few fond memories I have of my dad, an attorney, was
    |that he loved Legally Blonde & Elle Woods, oh how he giggled.


  |u/kharmatika - 12 hours
  |
  |When I was a kid, that was my favorite movie. I wanted to be a lawyer
  |because of her.  Then later I wanted to be a mathematician. Then a
  |chemist.  Finally, I ended up going into Cyber Security.   I got my
  |husband a job at my company after COVID, and one night, he had to
  |stay late with 4 other guys, to work on an issue that had bricked
  |network connectivity for a clients EMR software.  I thought I’d go be
  |a good wifey, and bring him some hot chocolate and dinner. That was
  |my express purpose of making the trip out there.  I get there, and
  |they’re all working, and I ask what the issue is.   “Oh the Dentrix
  |server will NOT get LAN connectivity to their endpoints. We’ve tried
  |every fix we can think of, it’s configured identically to everything
  |else, it should be working!”  Me: *does a google search* Dentrix’s KB
  |on that error code says to take down WDF. You already tried that I
  |assume.”  5 men and a combined 30 years of IT experience looked up at
  |me in that moment and realized they’d committed the ultimate male sin
  |of forgetting to ask directions.  2 clicks and it was resolved.  In
  |that moment, I felt something wash over me and realized what I had
  |been looking for my whole life. I hadn’t wanted to be Elle Woods,
  |Lawyer. I’d wanted to be Elle Woods, woman whose femininity is an
  |asset to her masculine driven career.  And I got it. If I hadn’t
  |decided to play good wifey and come give my hubby a kiss, 5 people
  |would have been working there all night.   Nothing better than
  |achieving your 8 year old self’s goals.


    |u/FixinThePlanet - 10 hours
    |
    |This was very rewarding to read


    |u/obligernotupholder - 10 hours
    |
    |I love this for you 💖


  |u/Richard_D_Lawson - 12 hours
  |
  |I actually liked her way better in Legally Blonde : The Musical.  She
  |had a better character arc and her romance with Emmett had more of a
  |chance to grow and develop.   And they accomplished all that without
  |lessening how strong a lead she was.


|u/Thrwwymc - 13 hours
|
|Buffy the Vampire Slayer


  |u/SmackedWithARuler - 13 hours
  |
  |She’s powerful, funny, witty, affable and resourceful.   She’s also a
  |bad student due to her slayer duties, looked down on by many peers,
  |sometimes awkward and indecisive, makes rash or chaotic decisions at
  |times..  She’s well-rounded with flaws and strengths so she’s
  |powerful but not Mary Sue incredible at everything. SMG was also
  |absolutely perfectly cast as her.


    |u/photomotto - 12 hours
    |
    |Buffy got beaten around by opponents more powerful than her
    |sometimes, but in the end she still won, not because she's all
    |powerful, but because she out-smarts her enemies and accepts the
    |help of her friends.  She's not unbeatable nor undefeated (homegirl
    |died twice after all), so when she still manages to win it feels
    |deserved.


      |u/SmackedWithARuler - 12 hours
      |
      |Definitely. She was allowed to be beaten. Such an important thing
      |that she had failings and weaknesses which required her to
      |develop, adapt and accept help. She doesn’t just “girl boss”
      |through everything.


      |u/Icy_Card5893 - 10 hours
      |
      |yeah she was even almost taken out by a standard day player
      |vampire a few times. job is dangerous. 


    |u/TheHammer987 - 10 hours
    |
    |Her best scene.  Looking her mom in the face: "do you think I want
    |to do this?! Do you have any idea how lonely it is?! How
    |terrifying!? Don't pretend like you didn't know. How many times
    |have you washed blood out of my clothes!?"


  |u/Psyker_girl - 13 hours
  |
  |100%   Buffy was allowed to be feminine, enjoying hobbies
  |traditionally seen for women, and was allowed to be soft-hearted and
  |emotional but determined and ruthless when needs be. She was a
  |badass, without having to be hugely jacked or macho etc.


    |u/KiltedLady - 11 hours
    |
    |"Don't worry. I've patrolled in this halter *many*  times."


    |u/Twistedjustice - 10 hours
    |
    |She just wanted to date and shop and hang out and go to school and
    |save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, girlie stuff


  |u/Jota769 - 13 hours
  |
  |Me: “I swear to god if Buffy isn’t the top answer…”  Top answer:
  |Ellen Ripley.  Me: ugh, all right…  2: Buffy  Fuck yeah


    |u/RoccoTirolese - 10 hours
    |
    |Is kinda sad that both are 20+ years old media...


  |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
  |
  |100% this. Buffy is such a badass and so well written.


    |u/Safety_Drance - 13 hours
    |
    |It's one of my favorite shows of all time because of how well
    |written she is.  She's up there with Drummer from The Expanse as to
    |how to write a good female character.


  |u/ChronoLegion2 - 13 hours
  |
  |I know Joss Whedon isn’t the most popular guy right now, but back
  |when he was respected, he was asked why he kept adding strong female
  |characters to his shows.  “Because people keep asking me thing
  |question”


    |u/Serenity-03K64 - 12 hours
    |
    |I love all the characters in dollhouse too.


    |u/ejp1082 - 11 hours
    |
    |It's still so perplexing to me that he turned out to be such a
    |creep given the way he churned out well-written female characters
    |across so many franchises that really set the gold standard for how
    |they ought to be done. Buffy is a stand-out feminist icon, but
    |pretty much all the female characters in Buffy, Angel and Firefly
    |were complex, strong, and fully realized three-dimensional
    |characters who nonetheless embraced their feminine qualities.  It's
    |just really hard to square that (as well as statements like the one
    |you quoted) with what we know about him now.  I don't know what the
    |lesson from that is other than people are weird.


      |u/Xyex - 11 hours
      |
      |Just because you're a toxic asshat of a bully doesn't mean you
      |can't like strong women.


      |u/ChronoLegion2 - 11 hours
      |
      |People and their art aren’t necessarily the same


|u/Knick_Knick - 13 hours
|
|I'm not overly fond of the movie overall, but Emma Thompson's character
|in Love Actually.


  |u/Orcapa - 12 hours
  |
  |Her strength to carry on for her children was amazing. I love it when
  |she bucks up with a stiff upper lip and puts on face to make her kids
  |happy. The acting is phenomenal.


  |u/Celtic-Brit - 12 hours
  |
  |That's why >!Snape got killed, he cheated on Emma Thompson !<


    |u/NeganTheVegan - 11 hours
    |
    |She plays Trelawney and the husband who actually cheated on her in
    |real life played Lockhart. Also love the spoiler tag still going
    |after 17+ years!


      |u/misslilley - 9 hours
      |
      |Spoiler tag? After all this time? ..... always.


      |u/Celtic-Brit - 11 hours
      |
      |I know. I am hoping Trelawney is watching that scene from
      |afar.😂😂. Emma Thompson refused to be on the set at the same time
      |as Kenneth Branagh or Helena Bonham Carter.


        |u/NeganTheVegan - 10 hours
        |
        |Oh yeah I forgot about the final part, the co-cheater being
        |Bellatrix! Also, knowing this, I would not have casted Kenneth
        |Branagh, he is not even good-looking enough to play Lockhart
        |lmao


          |u/acanadiancheese - 10 hours
          |
          |To be fair, Lockhart actually appears before Trelawney in the
          |books and the movie. They never overlapped in the movies at
          |all.


            |u/NeganTheVegan - 9 hours
            |
            |Ah true they skipped St Mungo's in the movie


              |u/acanadiancheese - 9 hours
              |
              |I honestly wish they hadn’t because I really though it
              |added a lot to Neville’s story, but yep


  |u/joanne122597 - 12 hours
  |
  |the strength she had to pull her shattered life together and do happy
  |family.  that is the one story of that movie that brought me to
  |tears.  she was strength personified.


|u/Ancient-University89 - 13 hours
|
|Olivia Dunham (Anna Torv) in Fringe is my go to example of a strong
|female protagonist


  |u/Magic_Fred - 13 hours
  |
  |Same. She seems like a real actual woman. I love that she dresses
  |like an FBI agent. She has sensible hair and shoes and a realistic
  |amount of makeup for someone to wear to work. She's a total bad ass
  |and while she has romantic plots, her story isn't just about how she
  |relates to the men in her orbit.   I started watching Blacklist and I
  |couldn't get past how much it seemed like a shit Fringe (despite
  |James Spader being incredible) because the female protagonist was
  |just so piss poor when I compared her to Anna Torv


  |u/SecondSaintsSonInLaw - 8 hours
  |
  |All of this. I also think Peter Bishop is one of the least toxic male
  |characters to ever exist. I really feel for him trying to come to
  |terms with the Olivia/Fauxlivia situation.  And the “What’s your
  |daughters name?! *BANG*” is still one of the most thrilling scenes
  |I’ve ever seen. Peter is THE MAN!  Easily one of my all time favorite
  |series


  |u/OctopusParrot - 10 hours
  |
  |Criminally underappreciated show.


  |u/SaintPeter74 - 7 hours
  |
  |I loved that they low key put Peter as the "damsel in distress" role
  |too. She was badass in ways that he was not.


|u/facevalue83 - 13 hours
|
|Dana Scully in X-Files.


|u/WaywardMind - 13 hours
|
|President Laura Roslyn from Battlestar Galactica.


  |u/Hoalatha - 12 hours
  |
  |Many of the women in BSG were incredibly written strong characters,
  |but Laura was the best. I like that she doesn't have to be carrying a
  |gun or punching people in the face to be considered strong.


    |u/Delicious-Tachyons - 12 hours
    |
    |I'd say a caricature version of Starbuck is what the shitty writers
    |of today feel is a strong female character. Take Starbuck's kickass
    |attitude and subtract any flaws and make everyone like her and
    |there you go. You've created a new Disney character lol


      |u/we_are_sex_bobomb - 11 hours
      |
      |99% of the time the problem with strong female characters is that
      |they’re just totally focused on their mission and they have
      |nothing else going on in their life. They come across as flat.
      |That’s definitely not the case with Starbuck. She’s an amazing
      |pilot who is also nursing a crush on her dead fiancé’s kid
      |brother, she’s got mom issues, and she definitely has undiagnosed
      |ADHD. There’s a lot going on there.


      |u/captbollocks - 11 hours
      |
      |Starbuck is the perfect example for this list.  Everyone was so
      |angry when they switched genders from the original BSG, but she
      |shut everyone up after her first performance.


    |u/Firelord_11 - 12 hours
    |
    |I like her because she's a female leader who doesn't pull any
    |punches. She wasn't afraid to make difficult or controversial
    |decisions to protect her people. I don't always personally agree
    |with what she did, but I can't deny that every single decision she
    |made was calculated to ensure the survival of the human race and
    |that it *worked*\--and that's something I can massively respect her
    |for.


  |u/mrg80 - 13 hours
  |
  |Beautiful. And together with Adama, one of the best love stories I've
  |ever seen in TV.


  |u/Random-Cpl - 11 hours
  |
  |Laura Roslin is an amazing character. She goes from this naive
  |schoolteacher who got into politics to (correctly) advising a
  |Commander that he was going to have to kill a rogue Admiral in like 2
  |seasons. By the end she’s the leader they all depend on.


|u/bread_idiot_bread - 12 hours
|
|Fiona from Shrek. She was willing to admit when she was in the wrong
|and grow personally, stood up for herself and her friends and didn't
|get sucked in by the pretty boy show off, she actually kicked his butt.


|u/One_Prune_6753 - 13 hours
|
|Veronica Mars


  |u/the_real_dairy_queen - 12 hours
  |
  |Underrated show, underrated character, underrated comment. That was
  |such a good show!


    |u/Beginning_Film7975 - 11 hours
    |
    |Underrated actor. Loved her in Good Place too


      |u/PvtSherlockObvious - 7 hours
      |
      |She's at the very top of my "phone book list," those actors I'll
      |watch in absolutely anything just because it's them.


|u/schorschico - 13 hours
|
|Amy Adams in Arrival


  |u/JimTheJerseyGuy - 12 hours
  |
  |Such an awesome film. Even more so because the short story it is
  |based on is, itself, awesome and they managed not to shit all over it
  |and instead craft a beautiful movie around it.


    |u/calvin73 - 11 hours
    |
    |Watched this with my kiddo this summer. At the end, kiddo said,
    |“She knew?? *The whole time*??”  Absolutely incredible film.


      |u/Capital-Fennel-9816 - 11 hours
      |
      |Even more heartbreaking is the book, where the incident with her
      |daughter is totally avoidable (an accident), rather than an
      |unavoidable medical issue. It really drove home much she knew and
      |had to accept to grow the aliens mode of thinking. And also fully
      |explains the husband's disdain for her.


    |u/Breakspear_ - 12 hours
    |
    |Ted Chiang, baby!!


  |u/pepperjones926 - 11 hours
  |
  |So I watched that movie knowing nothing about it when I was about
  |seven months pregnant.  It DESTROYED me.  I sobbed for about an hour
  |afterwards. It was so beautifully done, but man - it hit HARD.


|u/Wormverine - 13 hours
|
|Judy Dench as M


  |u/SquashyDisco - 11 hours
  |
  |**M :** You don’t like me, Bond. You don’t like my methods. You think
  |I’m an accountant, a bean counter more interested in my numbers than
  |your instincts.   **James Bond :** The thought had occurred to me.
  |**M :** Good, because I think you’re a sexist, misogynist dinosaur. A
  |relic of the Cold War, whose boyish charms, though wasted on me,
  |obviously appealed to that young woman I sent out to evaluate you.
  |**James Bond :** Point taken.  **M :** Not quite. If you think for
  |one moment I don’t have the balls to send a man out to die, your
  |instincts are dead wrong. I have no compunction about sending you to
  |your death. But, I won’t do it on a whim. Even with your cavalier
  |attitude towards life.


    |u/popejupiter - 8 hours
    |
    |Anyone else hear Dame Dench's voice reading her lines? God what a
    |woman!


    |u/Warhammer517 - 9 hours
    |
    |M: Bond, come back alive.


    |u/stray1ight - 9 hours
    |
    |The "Evil Queen of Numbers" fuckin CRUSHED that role.   The
    |exchange you posted is among my most favorite things in cinema.


  |u/Dependent_Cricket - 12 hours
  |
  |“And Bond…  … don’t ever break into my house again.”


  |u/ChronoLegion2 - 13 hours
  |
  |“God, I miss the Cold War!”


    |u/Far_Dragonfruit_1829 - 11 hours
    |
    |" Utter one more syllable and I'll have you killed. "


  |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
  |
  |I LOVED Judy Dench in the James Bond movies! Such a badass.


|u/Hot-Negotiation3470 - 13 hours
|
|Xena-warrior princess.


  |u/BonhommeCarnaval - 11 hours
  |
  |Lalalalalalalalalala!!!


  |u/Ok_Blackberry_284 - 10 hours
  |
  |Xena and Gabrielle


  |u/10Panoptica - 11 hours
  |
  |She has many skills.


  |u/ladyforgravy - 11 hours
  |
  |How do I get this closer to the top of the list. Xena is the absolute
  |best


  |u/flicky2018 - 12 hours
  |
  |Scrolled too far for this


|u/masiker31 - 11 hours
|
|Wednesday and Morticia Adams. They both are strong willed, confident
|females who don’t give an F about what other people think about them.


|u/EndAlternative6445 - 13 hours
|
|Sidney Prescott


|u/Tidder802b - 12 hours
|
|* [Lisbeth Salander](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132620/characters/nm
|0636426/?ref_=tt_cl_c_2)


|u/stinky_cheese33 - 13 hours
|
|Does Frieren count?


  |u/Apex_Konchu - 12 hours
  |
  |✅ strong   ✅ female   ✅ protagonist  Yeah, I'd say she counts.


  |u/Peptuck - 9 hours
  |
  |Her *clone* is so powerful it gets a Dark Souls boss cutscene intro.


  |u/frozrdude - 11 hours
  |
  |Might as well count her disciple Fern, in as well.


  |u/tommoex - 11 hours
  |
  |Fantastic example. I've got to say every character is well done. No
  |one is especially flashy looking but they all have such unique
  |personalities, with strengths and flaws.


  |u/darryledw - 12 hours
  |
  |beat me to it, she is such a well written character because she is
  |badass/ interesting but the writers don't mind making her look
  |foolish and gave her flaws, I particularly like how lazy she is in
  |the morning lol.   Something most modern Hollywood writers don't have
  |a clue about


    |u/KP_Wrath - 10 hours
    |
    |I think part of it is that as a character, she’s nearly immortal,
    |powerful enough to screen against most things that could kill her,
    |and with 1500+ years under her belt, many things would be mundane.
    |Well, until her epiphany at the beginning of Beyond Journey’s End.


      |u/Benskien - 7 hours
      |
      |"what is 10 more years"   *Angry fern noices*


    |u/joepanda111 - 9 hours
    |
    |And because the story is set in the present, long after the hero
    |journey, and her long age, it’s believable why she’s so powerful.
    |She’s also not solving all the problems. Instead she often relies
    |on support from others, as well as propping up the next generation
    |to handle things on their own.  It’s like a passing of the torch
    |story, while also helping her learn to appreciate the bonds she
    |makes and fully understand how little time she has with them.


|u/Verzweiflungstat - 13 hours
|
|Avatar doesn't have a female protagonist, but all of its female
|characters are great 


  |u/ska2oosh - 13 hours
  |
  |God yes. Katara, Toph, Suki… all of them are great examples of female
  |leads done right.


    |u/Verzweiflungstat - 13 hours
    |
    |Great because they are all different, are all strong and overcome
    |their own struggles, and none of them had their femaleness erased
    |in the process.   A lot of the time, when writers try to make a
    |'strong female character', they just make her heartless, callous
    |and, well, masculine. That's not the case in Avatar.   Suki is part
    |of an all-female fighting squad that uses nimbleness to its
    |advantage, Katara had to grapple with having to basically mother
    |her older brother. Toph was kept at home as if she was a fragile
    |little princess.   Even with Azula, who *is* callous and efficient,
    |there is a shown moment where it is shown that she was dismissed by
    |her uncle for being female. Zuko got a dagger from Ba Sing Se,
    |Azula got a doll. This treatment may be part of what fueled her
    |ambitions.   It's great.


      |u/TomNookTheCook - 10 hours
      |
      |“I treated you like a girl, when I should have treated you like a
      |warrior.”  “I am a warrior ... but I’m a girl, too.”


      |u/Rozeline - 12 hours
      |
      |I don't think that was Iroh dismissing her as a girl, I just
      |don't think he trusted her with a knife and was hoping a doll
      |might bring out a bit of kindness, because even as a child she
      |was a vindictive little sociopath.


        |u/Eternal_Bagel - 11 hours
        |
        |Yeah pretty sure he knew back then that she was too much like
        |her dad and that’s not the kind of kid you gift a knife 


      |u/Dreadgoat - 4 hours
      |
      |My favorite is Toph because she's basically an inversion of the
      |poorly written heroine.    We get introduced to her as a tomboy
      |badass rowdy gal who just pretends to be feminine to appease her
      |family. We see little glimpses of weakness and insecurity here
      |and there, but for the most part the character can be naively
      |interpreted as "tough guy with a vagina"    Then like 9 episodes
      |in she comes out with a terrifying question: "Am I pretty?" And
      |she you can tell she is ready for her soul to be destroyed by the
      |answer. More afraid of that answer than any of the deadly threats
      |she faced without flinching.


    |u/WigglumsBarnaby - 12 hours
    |
    |This is so funny because I thought they meant Avatar by James
    |Cameron and I was like "oh yeah Zoe Saldana and Michelle Rodriquez
    |kill it in that movie."  But yes, the last airbender has incredible
    |female characters. I think Korra does as well.


  |u/Krail - 12 hours
  |
  |I'd still call them protagonists. Aang is obviously the *main* one,
  |but the story focuses on Katara almost as much as him. 


|u/lilacsprinklee - 13 hours
|
|LESLIE KNOPE.


  |u/Pink_Flash - 13 hours
  |
  |And Diane Lewis.  She's a middle school vice principal, she doesn't
  |screw around.


    |u/Funandgeeky - 12 hours
    |
    |Diane Lewis deals with hormonal psychopaths all the time. I love
    |her with Ron Swanson. 


      |u/enixius - 9 hours
      |
      |"Yes I want the cuffs off. I want this to be a fair fight."  It
      |was at that moment that (Tammy 2) knew she fucked up.


    |u/WineAndDogs2020 - 8 hours
    |
    |Xena truly is the only woman capable of "taming" Ron Swanson.


  |u/thepluralofmooses - 12 hours
  |
  |Season 2 and beyond Leslie Knope is a wonderful character. I’m glad
  |they got rid of whatever was going on in season 1


    |u/steveofthejungle - 11 hours
    |
    |Yeah. Making her female Michael Scott was not the move


      |u/Flavahbeast - 8 hours
      |
      |but Michael Scott also became more likeable after season 1


    |u/highapplepie - 10 hours
    |
    |I actually think it’s the Mark character that hurts the early
    |seasons. 


      |u/GeorgeStark520 - 8 hours
      |
      |Yup. Having Mark play the straight man in a town full of weirdos
      |really brought the show down. I love how later they leaned into
      |the wackiness of Pawnee.


  |u/LilSebastainIsMyPony - 10 hours
  |
  |Leslie Knope is amazing.


|u/SirVeritas79 - 13 hours
|
|Geena Davis as Samantha Caine in The Long Kiss Goodnight.


  |u/KoshiaCaron - 13 hours
  |
  |Geena Davis--no, screw it, ALL the main cast in A League of Their
  |Own.    Dottie and Kitt having their own ambitions and feelings about
  |baseball while also having to contend with the tensions of sibling
  |love and rivalry? Mae looking for a way to remake her life, and Hooch
  |finding purpose and acceptance when she couldn't get it the
  |traditional way? It's nuanced and real.    I CRY WITH BETTY SPAGHETTI
  |EVERY GODDAMN TIME.    Such a great movie and great characters.


    |u/SirVeritas79 - 13 hours
    |
    |Valid AF. That a woman could be strong yet vulnerable. IDK why
    |that’s such an anathema in modern movie making.


|u/rangerj1901 - 13 hours
|
|Samus Aran, in any game besides Other M, we don't talk about Other M.


  |u/IntercomB - 13 hours
  |
  |On paper I liked the idea of a younger and more vulnerable Samus with
  |PTSD from Ridley. The problem comes when you put the game in the
  |timeline and realize that, by that point, Samus has forced species
  |into extinction, destroyed multiple planets, and has beaten
  |(sometimes killed) Ridley multiple times.    I don't think seeing him
  |come back once more would make her feel like the powerless little
  |girl she once was when she already know she can just dunk on him like
  |every other instances.


    |u/Krail - 12 hours
    |
    |Yes. As dumb as her characterization was, that scene in particular
    |bugs me so much.  It could have worked if this was the first time
    |she ever fought him.     I could see them playing it as her losing
    |her shit that he keeps coming back no matter how many times she
    |kills him, letting her guard down because she's going guns blazing.
    |Given the life she's lead, I'd expect her PTSD to look more like
    |Rambo than "Scared Little Girl."


      |u/ClubMeSoftly - 9 hours
      |
      |I really liked the portrayal we got in Dread. Kraid shows up,
      |screams in her face, and her only reaction is "how many times do
      |I have to teach you this lesson"    Raven Beak is choking the
      |life out of her, and her reaction is incredible rage that unlocks
      |her Metroid DNA.    But also, earlier in the game, Quiet Robe
      |shows up, and she sits and listens like she's a little girl
      |again, hearing a story from Old Bird.


  |u/captbollocks - 11 hours
  |
  |The twist in the first game when you only realise the hero a woman
  |when she takes her helmet off at the end of the game was a genius
  |move and brave for 1986 where it was always male protoganists in the
  |gaming industry.


|u/YNot1989 - 13 hours
|
|Chrisjen Avasarala and Bobby Draper


  |u/_amosburton - 10 hours
  |
  |Really most women in the expanse series: naomi, camina drummer, nancy
  |gao, monica stuart, anna volovodov, even clarissa mao in her own
  |right.  Gotta be some of the best sci fi in decades. I love the show
  |and i love books more.


  |u/BlitheCynic - 10 hours
  |
  |Don't forget Camina Drummer.


  |u/Cheeseboarder - 10 hours
  |
  |“Don’t go sticking your dick in it, Holden. It’s fucked enough
  |already”


|u/ZotMatrix - 13 hours
|
|Lagertha in Vikings


  |u/Porrick - 11 hours
  |
  |My favourite part of that is how she's essentially unchanged from the
  |original saga. Saxo Grammaticus wrote her as an example of the moral
  |degeneracy of the pre-Christian heathens - "look, they let their
  |*women* do their fighting and rescue them in battle and command
  |armies, isn't that gross?" Completely by accident, he wrote a really
  |good 21st-century feminist hero!  Same thing happened to a lesser
  |degree with Queen Medb in the Táin Bó Cúailnge from Irish mythology -
  |it was also first committed to the page by a Christian scribe with a
  |strong editorial slant, and he also wrote Medb as a really great
  |female antagonist!  Medb and Lagertha are my favourite characters
  |from that whole period of medieval European literature. And the TV
  |show gets Lagertha pretty much exactly right. My only complaint is
  |that they left out how she meets Ragnar while freeing herself from
  |brothel slavery (he's also in the dungeon and she releases him on her
  |way out). The main change they make from the source material is that
  |they keep her in the story for longer. In the original saga she fucks
  |off to be Queen of Norway (I think she does that in the show too -
  |but in the saga after she murders her new husband for not being brave
  |enough, she just takes his throne and stays there, occasionally
  |sending Ragnar some troops when he needs help).


|u/benabramowitz18 - 13 hours
|
|Evelyn Wong in Everything Everywhere All at Once


  |u/Samstarmoon - 8 hours
  |
  |Best mother-daughter movie ever but I can’t get my mom to freaking
  |watch it bc the butthole stuff at the beginning triggers her to much.


|u/Ogodnotagain - 12 hours
|
|Did anyone say Princess Leia?


  |u/admiraljkb - 9 hours
  |
  |My wife was ecstatic when Star Wars came out.  The freaking princess,
  |instead of falling down or fainting,  took charge of her own rescue.
  |That was huge for her.    Then Leia snarks them a lot too the whole
  |time instead of the "my hero" lines normally done.   Huge paradigm
  |shift that allowed women to be normal heroes/characters visibly out
  |front afterward in SciFi.


  |u/Lasdary - 10 hours
  |
  |She had to save her rescuers' asses. And does it like the badass she
  |is


  |u/Use-of-Weapons2 - 11 hours
  |
  |Loved her at the beginning of ESB particularly. In control and
  |authoritative under very stressful circumstances, and yet still
  |finding time to worry about her friends and put Han Solo in his place
  |over and over again.


    |u/GonzoRouge - 9 hours
    |
    |Can't remember where I saw it, but there was the juxtaposition of
    |her introduction as a damsel in distress to when she gets rescued.
    |She immediately calls out Han and Luke for being kinda terrible at
    |playing knight in shining armor with a half baked plan and takes
    |the lead from the get go.  It's a pretty wild subversion of the
    |trope when you think about it.


      |u/pinesolthrowaway - 8 hours
      |
      |I’ve posted on here about it before  Star Wars puts her in
      |traditional damsel in distress situations, but every time she’s
      |in them, she’s never actually a damsel in distress. The second
      |she has an opening, she takes it, every single time  Take ROTJ
      |for example. She’s literally enslaved by Jabba, and what does she
      |do the second she has an opening? She uses the literal chains of
      |her enslavement to strangle Jabba! She doesn’t need a full blown
      |rescue, she just needs opportunity  She’s exhibit A of a well
      |written, strong female protagonist 


  |u/Ok_Blackberry_284 - 10 hours
  |
  |General Leia "Hutt Slayer" Organa.


|u/RedditT0M - 13 hours
|
|Furiosa from *Mad Max: Fury Road*—she doesn’t need a tragic backstory
|speech or a romantic subplot to prove her worth. She just drives into a
|post-apocalyptic wasteland, kicks ass, and liberates people while
|rocking a metal arm like it’s no big deal. That’s the kind of energy I
|aspire to bring when I tackle my inbox on a Monday morning.


  |u/mama-dingus - 11 hours
  |
  |My hot take is that I felt the role was miscast in the new “Furiosa”
  |installment in the series. The movie was still pretty good but Anya
  |didn’t hold a candle to Charlize’s performance.


  |u/sonic_tower - 12 hours
  |
  |I aspire to be her on Monday morning.  In reality I am Scrotus.


  |u/kindrudekid - 13 hours
  |
  |That scene where Max cannot aim with the sniper and they are down to
  |one bullet and gives it to her is the best.  Without any dialogue you
  |can see she is basically thinking “great this guys dick measuring
  |contest is gonna get us killed”  And then even max is like yeah she
  |is the boss, in the end we both want to be free…


    |u/IAmTheFlyingIrishMan - 9 hours
    |
    |This isn't at all how I think the scene is supposed to be read and
    |kinda insults their mutual respect. In my mind it's supposed to
    |show that Furiosa trusts Max to make the shot. She was the one that
    |handed him the rifle to begin with and let him take 2 out of the 3
    |available shots without a word. She was going to let him take the
    |last shot because she trusted him to do so, even though she knew
    |she could make the shot herself. You can see her move with unease
    |after the second shot, wanting to say something, but she lets Max
    |make the call. There's no reason to think she wouldn't say
    |something given what we've seen of her in the movie so far. Max has
    |seen her proficiency with the rifle already, realizes she's the
    |better shot and hands her the rifle.  They know and respect each
    |other's skills, it isn't about who's the boss, or who's got the
    |bigger dick, it's about two very capable and skilled people working
    |together toward a goal.


|u/HeartonSleeve1989 - 13 hours
|
|Ellen Ripley from the Alien franchise and Sarah Connor from the
|Terminator franchise.


|u/gordonfactor - 12 hours
|
|Captain Janeway on Star Trek: Voyager


  |u/afiefh - 12 hours
  |
  |Also Belana and Seven from voyager.  And Kira and Dax from DS9.


    |u/AOKaye - 11 hours
    |
    |Thank you! Love our strong DS9 women too!


|u/trickster9000 - 13 hours
|
|Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender


  |u/Small_Nugs_in_Jugs - 9 hours
  |
  |Almost every female character in Avatar. Every top fighter is female.
  |The Kyoshi warriors, Azulas minions, Katara and the blood bending
  |lady. The best man hunter in the world is the dope ass chick with the
  |giant lizard mount. There are so many amazing female characters in
  |that show!!!


  |u/not-strange - 8 hours
  |
  |More to the point, she’s disabled, and while she can use it to her
  |advantage. She’s also weaker at times because of it.   When they were
  |in the desert and she couldn’t feel vibrations, or when they’re
  |flying on Appa.   Or when she’s hanging from Sokka in the finale, all
  |she can see is his fear, she doesn’t know how far she is from the
  |ground, she only knows that he’s scared, but she trusts him. She
  |knows he wouldn’t let her get hurt as long as she’s breathing.
  |She’s a badass character who has weaknesses and strengths, and she’s
  |perfectly written


|u/shimmertoyourshine - 13 hours
|
|Tiffany Aching.


  |u/Use-of-Weapons2 - 11 hours
  |
  |Granny Weatherwax for me. She just takes no shit from anyone.


    |u/nunya_busyness1984 - 10 hours
    |
    |I'm a Gytha Ogg guy.  Granny can Headology anyone.  Gytha can
    |Headology Esme


  |u/JerseyGirl4ever - 9 hours
  |
  |All of Pratchett's witches. And Angua. And Sybil.


    |u/GuadDidUs - 9 hours
    |
    |Don't forget Cheery!  And Monstrous Regiment.  Pratchett is such a
    |treasure.


|u/arctic_penguin12 - 13 hours
|
|Lucy MacLean from Fallout


  |u/Vegetable-Set-9480 - 9 hours
  |
  |Oh yes. I’m not a gamer, so my only introduction to the world of
  |Fallout has been the show. I loved how she is a total naive idealist
  |(well trained in a sort of academic way, and knowledgable about the
  |theory of fighting, but far more clueless in real world settings)
  |And kind of has constant mental breakdowns and total worldview-
  |shattering experiences that change the way she sees herself before
  |she begins to become kick ass.  And it takes her forever to become so
  |kick ass and tough. It isn’t some 3 minute timelapse montage of her
  |training with some wise tutor and suddenly becoming awesome at
  |everything.  Her transition from innocent to capable takes a long
  |time, has many setbacks, causes her immense emotional upheaval,
  |breaks her down, she fails often, and she doesn’t come out unscathed.
  |She becomes a very different person by the end of it.


|u/Deadpoulpe - 12 hours
|
|Any woman written by Terry Pratchett, really.  My favorite is Granny
|Weatherwax tho.


|u/13SpiderMonkeys - 13 hours
|
|Vin from Mistborn! Or Jasnah Kholin from the Stormlight Archive!


  |u/DangTaylor - 10 hours
  |
  |Lotta great ladies in the cosmere, honestly. Shai from the Emperor's
  |Soul and Sarene from Elantris are  awesome too.


|u/No-Body8448 - 13 hours
|
|Offbeat choice, but Helen Hunt's character Carol in As Good As It Gets.
|She deals with all the crap life has handed her, constantly cares for
|her son, deals with a horribly difficult man, and manages to maintain
|her sunshine and cheer in the face of it all. She lays down strict
|boundaries and gets right in Melvin's face when he crosses the line.
|She doesn't allow herself to get pushed around, but she doesn't retreat
|into being a bully either. She's amazingly patient and loving, and I
|love her.


|u/burtsdog - 13 hours
|
|Elinor Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility (1995). So strong, charming
|and thoughtful. What a lovely person.


  |u/Afalstein - 12 hours
  |
  |She's not what people will think of, but absolutely, yes.  She held
  |her family together when everyone else was falling to pieces.


    |u/SubatomicSquirrels - 11 hours
    |
    |Jane Austen created some incredible characters


|u/ChanSungJung - 13 hours
|
|Clarice from The Silence of the Lambs  She stands up for what she
|believes in and sees things through. She calls her superiors out on
|their behaviour and being treated differently for being a woman. She is
|one of my favourite characters in all of cinema because of her
|tenacity.


|u/Tom-Pendragon - 12 hours
|
|Avatar the last airbender. Katara was GOAT.


|u/SneakyAbyssinian - 13 hours
|
|Katara from ATLA. And NOT the live-action!


  |u/Red_Like_Ruby - 8 hours
  |
  |There is no live action in Bah Sing Sei


|u/GroshfengSmash - 10 hours
|
|Leela, Futurama


|u/sillygreenfaery - 12 hours
|
|Xena Warrior Princess


|u/Vargsvans - 13 hours
|
|Erin Brockovich


  |u/Scorpiodancer123 - 12 hours
  |
  |Hell yes!!! Badass in film and reality.


|u/RecoveringRed - 13 hours
|
|Emily Blunt in Sicario.


  |u/zeebious - 12 hours
  |
  |Probably my favorite because she’s not portrayed as a super human
  |capable of taking down men twice her size. She also doesn’t show
  |disdain for her feminine qualities. However, she’s unquestionably
  |tough as nails and smart as shit.


    |u/Toby_O_Notoby - 10 hours
    |
    |There’s a show on paramount called Lioness starring Zoe Saldana as
    |a special forces operator. The whole point of the show is that
    |there are situations where having a woman on your team could be
    |advantageous for going undercover, etc.   On one of the latest
    |episodes they get into a firefight and she naturally holds her own.
    |Later she’s yelling at the CIA/Delta guy who got them into the mess
    |and hauls off and hits him. He just looks at he for a second and
    |shrugs before he knocks her on her ass.   I liked the fact that she
    |can hold her own with guns but they acknowledge that in a fist
    |fight Zoe Saldana isn’t beating up some spec ops guy.


  |u/Content-Passion-4836 - 10 hours
  |
  |She was also  good in edge of tomorrow.


|u/ImmigrationJourney2 - 13 hours
|
|Selene In Underworld


|u/Electronarwhal - 13 hours
|
|Both Jinx and Vi, whichever one you count as the main protagonist of
|Arcane.


  |u/mofnladie - 11 hours
  |
  |Vi seriously makes me want to pick up boxing, what a bad bitch I love
  |her.


    |u/Enkundae - 6 hours
    |
    |Her first fight with Sevika in season 1 is one of my favorite
    |fights in animation. Not flashy, no real powers or anything on
    |display. Just an incredibly well animated street brawl.  Also
    |whoever designed and animated Vi deserves a medal. Fuckin hell
    |those arms.


  |u/DemostenesWiggin - 6 hours
  |
  |Both are, after all, it's their story. Also, every single female
  |character in Arcane is so good! Male characters too, but the female
  |characters are just perfect in their own way.


|u/Hedgehog_Insomniac - 11 hours
|
|Jo March.


|u/pretendimcute - 10 hours
|
|Brienne from game of thrones. She was a large, strong and capable
|warrior and could dispatch people with ease. She was not unrealistic
|however. If enough guys took her on in a fight she could get
|overpowered and has been taken hostage as well. So she wasnt portrayed
|as a ridiculously OP girlboss who cant lose. She was handled in the
|same way as a strong male character would have been except with the
|barriers unique to being a female knight


|u/Dzanibek - 13 hours
|
|San in Princess Mononoke


  |u/Blackdragon1221 - 10 hours
  |
  |One of my favourite films, and San is awesome.  I do, however, feel
  |like Lady Eboshi is the most compelling character in the film. She
  |has understandable motivations, even if you don't always agree with
  |them. She leads with competence. She can be powerful and
  |intimidating, but also compassionate. She can sympathize with others,
  |both friend and foe. She is not irredeemably evil. A perfect
  |antagonist for the type of story that the film is telling.


|u/haileyskydiamonds - 12 hours
|
|The ladies of *Steel Magnolias* and *Fried Green Tomatoes*.  Siddalee
|and the YaYas in the NOVEL version of *Divine Secrets of the YaYa
|Sisterhood*.  Katniss Everdeen, The Hunger Games series  Mattie Ross,
|*True Grit*  Ree Dolly, *Winter’s Bone*  Anne Shirley, *Anne of Green
|Gables*  Astrid Magnussen, *White Oleander*  Abilene Clark, Minny
|Jackson, and Celia Foote, *The Help*


|u/tomaesop - 13 hours
|
|Disney's **Moana**. Y'all don't have kids?    That girl speaks truth to
|power, finds evidence, heads off on a dangerous trek, saves the world
|(basically), returns home and makes her small town better. And the
|whole time there's no distraction from any romantic interest. 
|Badass.


  |u/Bweeze086 - 12 hours
  |
  |Oh man that moment where she just belts out "I AM MOOAAANNAAAAA!"
  |Goose bumbs everytime. Such a powerful moment of self realization.


  |u/ska2oosh - 12 hours
  |
  |Truly a great example, Disney did Moana right with her character.
  |Great example for young women.   I’d argue this with a lot of the
  |more modern Disney princess movies, honestly. Most of them are very
  |strong characters, whether they have a love interest or not.


    |u/kjerstih - 12 hours
    |
    |Lani in Lilo & Stitch is also a great example. She became the legal
    |guardian of her little sister Lilo at a young age when their
    |parents were killed in an accident. She had to sacrifice a lot and
    |become an adult fast to keep what was left of the family together.


      |u/ska2oosh - 12 hours
      |
      |Lani is a PERFECT example. She’s truly one of the best examples
      |of a female protagonist and a great example for young women. Back
      |in the days before Netflix, my family bootlegged the entire TV
      |series so we could watch Lilo & Stitch at any time. Her character
      |has stuck with me my entire life, how dedicated she is to her
      |family and how much she loves her sister.


      |u/weirdwolfkid - 11 hours
      |
      |I think Nani was only like 19 in the movie. She was VERY young,
      |and grieving her parents while trying to learn how to BE a parent
      |to a traumatized child.


    |u/Nashatal - 12 hours
    |
    |Merida is pretty great too in my opinion.


      |u/ska2oosh - 12 hours
      |
      |Absolutely Merida counts! Mulan, Pocahontas, and Meg from
      |Hercules as well. And maybe not to the same extent as the others,
      |but Belle from Beauty and the Beast fits too!


        |u/Nashatal - 12 hours
        |
        |Meg is awesome! Need to rewatch that movie. Oh and while we are
        |at it: Elsa and basically every woman in Encanto.


          |u/ska2oosh - 12 hours
          |
          |Yessss, and I’d argue Anna too! The second movie is a given,
          |of course, but even in the first one Anna proves that despite
          |being sheltered (and very naive) she would do anything,
          |including leaving the castle (for the first time!!) in a
          |frozen waste land to help her sister. It’s exactly as Anna
          |says in the second movie when Elsa says it’s too dangerous
          |for Anna to come: “I climbed the North Mountain, survived a
          |frozen heart, and saved you from my ex-boyfriend. And I did
          |it all without powers. So, you know, I’m coming”


    |u/xallanthia - 12 hours
    |
    |Rapunzel! Maybe the most traditional love story of the modern
    |bunch, but she’s still a great character whose story is advanced
    |and deepened by Flynn, but not defined by him.


|u/AnneBoleynsBarber - 12 hours
|
|Capt. Kathryn Janeway in *ST: Voyager.*   There's the right way, the
|wrong way, and the Janeway. Only Nixon could've gone to China, and only
|Janeway could've made a deal with the Borg and lived to tell the tale.
|She's smart, capable, sensitive to the needs of her crew, morally
|resilient, willing to protect the vulnerable, and able to make
|difficult decisions under trying circumstances. Forget cruising through
|the galaxy on a five-year mission with room for 400 or 1500 crew, she
|was basically stuck in space on a glorified Federation Winnebago that
|was never intended for long-haul voyages. And she got the ship home in
|the end.   I have a soft spot for James Tiberius Kirk, I really do, but
|Janeway would've eaten him alive.


|u/roguefrog - 13 hours
|
|Charlize Theron in anything.  Fury Road, Atomic Blonde, Old Guard, etc


  |u/PurpleIsALady1798 - 13 hours
  |
  |I cannot wait to for the next Old Guard movie. I’m *so* ready.


|u/WassupSassySquatch - 13 hours
|
|The Bride and O-Ren from *Kill Bill*.


  |u/Funandgeeky - 12 hours
  |
  |Their duel, and the lead up to it, is epic moviemaking. It’s the best
  |fight of the entire saga. 


|u/WarriorJax - 12 hours
|
|Eowyn


  |u/Plenty_Pie_7427 - 8 hours
  |
  |“I am no man.” Iconic. Love her.


  |u/admiralholdo - 11 hours
  |
  |I loooooove that she ends up with Faramir. One of my favorite
  |literary couples of all time.


|u/Resident_Second_2965 - 13 hours
|
|Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn is pretty fantastic.


|u/limbodog - 13 hours
|
|Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind


|u/spicysanger - 13 hours
|
|Captain Janeway from star trek voyager


|u/youlookyummy - 12 hours
|
|Jolyne Kujo


|u/MemeOverlordKai - 13 hours
|
|Akane Tsunemori from PSYCHO-PASS


|u/Weary-Fan9678 - 13 hours
|
|Mizu from Blue Eye Samurai.   The whole show is incredible


  |u/MikeMazook - 12 hours
  |
  |The princess as well, two very different, very well done
  |protagonists.


  |u/butholemoonblast - 12 hours
  |
  |That show is art. I was trying to get my coworker to watch it and
  |explain it’s a cartoon but it never feels like a cartoon.


    |u/alltherobots - 10 hours
    |
    |The puppet show episode is the only time I’ve ever seen a *three-
    |timeline* simultaneous reveal in a show. I had to sit quietly for
    |like 10 mins after that.


|u/Routine_Service6801 - 13 hours
|
|The girl from Prey (2022) is well developed, strong, she literally
|fights predators without falling into the sassy boss girl archetype.


  |u/SnidgetAsphodel - 11 hours
  |
  |Oh yes I loved her. She also was allowed to make mistakes, learn from
  |them, and use her wits.


|u/moonbeamlight - 13 hours
|
|Viola Davis in How to Get Away with Murder. She is incredible.


  |u/yancyfry6 - 8 hours
  |
  |Why is your penis on a dead girl's phone? That whole make-up removal
  |scene...With so many comments about how pretty and feminine
  |characters are... I think that was very well-done and courageous.
  |Still a woman without the beautifying stuff.


  |u/IronChefJesus - 12 hours
  |
  |Rogue, Storm, even Jean Grey in between deaths. And those are just
  |some examples. Overall the Xmen characters are great.


|u/Waste_Atmosphere_967 - 13 hours
|
|Katniss Everdeen from the Hunger Games


  |u/DIEHOBOCOLLECTOR - 12 hours
  |
  |Yes she is mentally strong enough to support her family and volunteer
  |instead of her sister, she fights, falls in love tries to protect her
  |loved ones with all her might but she also has human sides , makes
  |mistakes or be depressed.    I just love her character , there aren't
  |enough of this type of characters


  |u/strauss_emu - 12 hours
  |
  |I'm surprised I had to search for this comment for so long. She's one
  |of the best female characters ever


    |u/Balance4471 - 12 hours
    |
    |Same! I was scrolling through to find her.


|u/wwaxwork - 13 hours
|
|Amy Dunne in Gone Girl.   Protagonist doesn't mean good person and I
|like that you can relate and even cheer at some of the points she makes
|but also understand she is very much not a good person.


  |u/hiveechochamber - 12 hours
  |
  |She's a great example of great female characters do not have to be
  |good people.


|u/Some_Shame9545 - 13 hours
|
|Lots of them in Fargo universee


|u/pnellesen - 13 hours
|
|Ripley.


|u/jwagne51 - 12 hours
|
|Gracie Hart from Miss Congeniality.


|u/The_Nunnster - 11 hours
|
|Princess Leia from the Star Wars franchise


|u/LittleBraveButton - 10 hours
|
|Olivia Benson from Law and order svu,  I mean, 25 seasons! She's my
|hero


|u/lallifelix - 13 hours
|
|Saidie Adler in Red Dead Redemption.


|u/Numerous-Pipe9196 - 13 hours
|
|Commander Shepard


|u/frodiusmaximus - 12 hours
|
|Captain Janeway.


|u/DominicPalladino - 12 hours
|
|Marge in Fargo. Smart. Kind. People trying to dupe her and she accepts
|them for who they are but then sees through it. Bad ass takes down the
|killer while pregnant. But also a great wife.


|u/lawnguylandlolita - 12 hours
|
|Fleabag


|u/HerbaceousMongoose - 13 hours
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|Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West.


|u/cookerg - 12 hours
|
|Olivia in Law and Order SVU


  |u/Worth-Possibility369 - 10 hours
  |
  |Can’t believe this is so far down!! Detective Olivia Benson is the
  |definition of strong female protagonist


|u/Capybara_Squabbles - 12 hours
|
|Sailor Moon


|u/Comfortable_Ad2908 - 12 hours
|
|Lilo from Lilo and Stitch


|u/SnoeLeppard - 10 hours
|
|Might be an odd one, but Marta from Knives Out.


|u/ShadedBloonm - 2 hours
|
|I'd say Jessica Jones from the Netflix series. She's flawed, complex,
|and powerful without losing her vulnerability. She tackles real issues
|like trauma and recovery while still kicking ass. It's refreshing to
|see a character who's not perfect but still incredibly strong in her
|own way.


|u/Shrikeangel - 13 hours
|
|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace 


|u/BeautifulArtichoke37 - 13 hours
|
|Captain Janeway


|u/Peeeing_ - 12 hours
|
|Michonne


|u/PeriwinkleShaman - 12 hours
|
|Scarlett in Gone with the wind.


|u/Cat-guy64 - 12 hours
|
|Coraline Jones (Coraline). I also funnily enough think The Other Mother
|in that same movie is an excellent female antagonist.