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At least 3 Russian oil refineries on verge of closure, Reuters reports
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|u/Buck_Thorn - 15 hours
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|Gee, that's a real shame.


  |u/SheepSurfz - 12 hours
  |
  |Anyway...


    |u/IndependentVoice3240 - 1 hour
    |
    |Now watch this put


|u/minkey-on-the-loose - 14 hours
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|Someone mentioned here that this has repercussions in the petroleum
|extraction part of the supply chain.  If they have to turn off a pump in
|the tundra because they have no refinery capacity, the pump or pipeline
|freezes up and cannot be restarted.  Is there a better description or am
|I not fully understanding the issue?


  |u/HecticOnsen - 10 hours
  |
  |You’re kinda right. Oil and gas production is exceedingly hard to
  |‘turn off’ and just as hard to restart. In normal circumstances you
  |don’t stop production even if you aren’t selling the product, you
  |stockpile after refining. When you run out of storage space, you lower
  |the price. You can control the pace coming out of wellhead but
  |stopping it creates all sorts of problems. Some field compositions are
  |easier than others.


    |u/Sayakai - 9 hours
    |
    |[With gas you may go even further once you run out of storage and
    |literally just set it on fire.](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-
    |environment-62652133)


      |u/HecticOnsen - 9 hours
      |
      |Which is also my go-to solution for nearly any problem!


        |u/mothtoalamp - 6 hours
        |
        |Yep. Then I have a different problem.


        |u/acchaladka - 8 hours
        |
        |Unexpected r/TheGoodPlace


        |u/myusernameblabla - 3 hours
        |
        |You deserve a top government position!


          |u/HecticOnsen - 3 hours
          |
          |While my skills at burning everything to the ground are
          |certainly relevant, will my lack of criminal history, or
          |extremist affiliations be a roadblock? I can probably ramp up
          |my discrimination against minorities if it will clinch the
          |deal…


            |u/myusernameblabla - 2 hours
            |
            |I’m afraid that’s too far left communist. If however you can
            |follow commands like ‘JUMP!’ and are willing to work free
            |and pass on information for example then I might be able to
            |refer to you for a staffer position.


      |u/Jet2work - 3 hours
      |
      |the ukrainians are trying to assist with this solution


  |u/leshake - 14 hours
  |
  |I would doubt that. Generally you don't plug a well even if you are
  |losing money. If they can't refine it they will sell it crude for less
  |money just like Iran does.


    |u/Usernametaken1121 - 6 hours
    |
    |That's assuming they have the infrastructure to sell it crude to
    |make a profit. Their infrastructure is conditioned for refining, I
    |don't think it's as easy as flipping a switch and selling it crude,
    |they would have done that the moment refineries were closing for
    |spans at a time and other were working at half capacity due to low
    |profitability.


    |u/minkey-on-the-loose - 14 hours
    |
    |I guess they have storage or a market then.


      |u/leshake - 14 hours
      |
      |They can always sell to China and India. In fact, India will
      |relable it as Indian and sell it to Europe. Same as it ever was,
      |just more expensive.


        |u/MaybeCuckooNotAClock - 8 hours
        |
        |So, is this why all of our clothes come from Pakistan, and are
        |made with polyester now instead of cotton, as a resident of
        |North America? Is it due to laundered Russian oil being refined
        |and entering the textile manufacturing industry, and what I
        |might have read once, a tariff on Chinese cotton?


          |u/onlyhammbuerger - 3 hours
          |
          |No, this is purely down to greed and no ecological
          |responsibility in the textile industry. Cheap synthetic fibers
          |"help", but have been available for longer than the russian
          |invasion.


      |u/AnEvilMrDel - 9 hours
      |
      |Storage has limits (capacity) so yeah - it’ll need to be marketed
      |elsewhere and probably heavily discounted.  Pushing crude is much
      |different than pushing refined product especially if there’s any
      |residual water cut


      |u/Evening-Abies-4679 - 6 hours
      |
      |They sell it's to BRICS Brazil, India, China and South Africa and
      |other allies.


  |u/Guac_in_my_rarri - 8 hours
  |
  |Turning off extraction is the last thing any supplier wants to do.
  |It's extremely expensive to start and end extraction.   It's just like
  |flying, the most fuel intensive part sof the journey are take off and
  |landing.


  |u/FNA_Couster - 9 hours
  |
  |It's not impossible, but it's time consuming and expensive as fuck.
  |And that's assuming you have correct & working equipment, which they
  |likely don't. Usually the best option in a scenario like this is going
  |into low idle but who knows if that's even an option for them.  Used
  |to work in O&G.


    |u/thekernel - 5 hours
    |
    |> going into low idle  just put it in H


  |u/Long_Entertainer_420 - 13 hours
  |
  |I think if it’s somewhere cold like Siberia they have to cap it
  |because the water in the oil will freeze


  |u/PrivateWilly - 6 hours
  |
  |This is correct for a lot of their infrastructure. The real kicker is
  |that to restart everything they would need western companies whom are
  |currently sanctioned as the only home grown engineers capable of
  |restarting the systems are all retired or in their 60’s. If the pipes
  |back up and freeze they’re gone, and for a while.


  |u/djfreshswag - 5 hours
  |
  |Production facilities and the wells that feed them shut in several
  |times a year. Typically you just don’t want a well sitting idle for
  |months. So say they have 10 wells, they may switch which one is shut
  |in every couple weeks or month.  It also depends on what the field is
  |producing. We shut in our gas fields in West Texas for months at a
  |time when prices go negative because of pipeline maintenance. There
  |are fields we used to operate that the well performance is permanently
  |reduced from frequent extended shut ins during Covid.  So in summary,
  |Russia likely knows which fields don’t have issues when shut in for
  |extended periods, and shuts in those instead of the ones that may
  |require costly work overs to return wells to prior performance. I
  |would expect low to no impact on their overall production capacity
  |from cutting production say 10% for an extended period


  |u/StrangeBedfellows - 14 hours
  |
  |Crap, I can't subscribe to a comment for replies can I    Edit - yes
  |you can I'm dumb. It's just "reply notifications" instead of follow or
  |subscribe


    |u/Showmethepathplease - 14 hours
    |
    |Save it 


    |u/Public-Eagle6992 - 14 hours
    |
    |I‘m pretty sure you can. On the three dots and then there should be
    |a button for that


    |u/minkey-on-the-loose - 14 hours
    |
    |Idk


  |u/Statertater - 3 hours
  |
  |Wont be tundra forever!


  |u/candya_pple - 2 hours
  |
  |If they mentioned it already, why are you repeating it? Just upvote.


|u/Direlion - 10 hours
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|They must be champing at the bit to get Trump back into office so he can
|start working for the Russian people again.


  |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 10 hours
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  |You get an upvote for correctly using "champing"


    |u/iwatchcredits - 8 hours
    |
    |I prefer to chomp


    |u/CEZ3 - 9 hours
    |
    |Ditto!  And  WonderfulPlace7225 gets an upvote for up-voting
    |Direlion.


      |u/Aggressive-Will-4500 - 8 hours
      |
      |Trippo! Upvoted for up-voting the up-vote.


        |u/Statutory_Apes - 7 hours
        |
        |Quatro! I just want to be part of it!


    |u/rybeardj - 5 hours
    |
    |it can be both


      |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 4 hours
      |
      |yes, but one is correct and the other was used by the ignorant
      |masses so much that it's been fudged into being an acceptable
      |variant   Edit: for the ignorant masses, no this is not how
      |language works. One is correct and one is wrong despite being
      |culturally acceptable.  >In the end, it’s just wrong to say
      |“chomping,” because “chomping” is a transitive verb, or a verb
      |that needs an object for it to make sense. In other words, you
      |have to have something to chomp on if you want to use “chomp.” A
      |horse doesn’t chomp, or bite, the bit—he champs, or grinds, his
      |teeth. No bit is necessary for a champing to happen, so champing
      |is an intransitive verb, which means no “object” is required.  >
      |https://www.portablepress.com/blog/2014/04/chomping-vs-champing/


        |u/arkezxa - 4 hours
        |
        |That's literally the stupidest thing we've ever done with our
        |language.  We capitulated to the worst of us -- I'm starting to
        |notice a trend...


        |u/rybeardj - 4 hours
        |
        |that's how language works though, words constantly being
        |changed/added/replaced...like, "ignorant", "mass" and "variant"
        |all used to have an 'e' at the end but they don't
        |anymore...doesn't mean that you didn't use the correct spellings
        |though or that you're one of the ignorant masses


          |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 3 hours
          |
          |Horses don't chomp, they champ. Uneducated and horse-ignorant
          |people say "chomping at the bit".  "You sound like a damn fool
          |when you say it wrong." - Old Biff  No, [they are not intercha
          |ngeable](https://www.portablepress.com/blog/2014/04/chomping-
          |vs-champing/)  > In the end, it’s just wrong to say
          |“chomping,” because “chomping” is a transitive verb, or a verb
          |that needs an object for it to make sense. In other words, you
          |have to have something to chomp on if you want to use “chomp.”
          |A horse doesn’t chomp, or bite, the bit—he champs, or grinds,
          |his teeth. No bit is necessary for a champing to happen, so
          |champing is an intransitive verb, which means no “object” is
          |required.


            |u/rybeardj - 1 hour
            |
            |dictionaries say it's fine:  [Merriam-
            |Webster](https://www.merriam-
            |webster.com/thesaurus/champing%20at%20the%20bit)  [Cambridge
            |](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cha
            |mp-at-the-bit)  Or just type "chomp at the bit" into google
            |and you'll see the definition they pull from Oxford.
            |Personal blogs tend to be poor conveyors of how language
            |actually works. For example, "chomp" [can be transitive or
            |intransitive](https://www.merriam-
            |webster.com/dictionary/chomp), which defeats the premise of
            |your blogger (also, please note in the 2nd intransitive
            |definition that "chomp at the bit" is referenced).  If
            |you're interested in language, I highly suggest [reading
            |this](https://www.dictionary.com/e/getting-words-into-
            |dictionaries/), which goes into the prescriptive (you) vs.
            |descriptive (me + every English dictionary editor out there)
            |debate.


              |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 1 hour
              |
              |Again, I am not interested in language. As a turn of
              |phrase you are correct, morons have taken an actual horse
              |dental/medical term and abused it into a new phrase that
              |is literally incorrect  if you are interested in not
              |sounding like an idiot, please read the link I shared
              |instead of "doing your own research"   Jfc no wonder Trump
              |won


        |u/nav17 - 4 hours
        |
        |Love it or hate it, that's how languages work. This is exactly
        |how we came to speak the language we do today...


          |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 3 hours
          |
          |No, it's not. Champing is a physically different process than
          |chomping. Horses do not chomp at the bit. They grind their
          |teeth on the bit, which is called champing  It's the
          |difference between biting and grinding   - You wouldn't say
          |grind the bullet, you say bite the bullet   - You don't say
          |chomping at the bit, you say champing at the bit  It's not a
          |language evolution thing, it's a red/ blue thing. Just because
          |a person with full color vision sees red and mistakenly calls
          |it blue doesn't mean that red and blue are the same, the
          |person is just an idiot. Even if everybody agreed, they're
          |still wrong. Red and blue are different colors even if you
          |call them the same.


            |u/nav17 - 3 hours
            |
            |Sure, but again, that's how languages work. Check out
            |Italian dialects for more clear examples. Words that sound
            |similar are mixed and misconstrued over time, all the time,
            |to eventually create new dialects and change common
            |expressions altogether.


              |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 3 hours
              |
              |No, this is not a language problem, this is an ignorance
              |problem.  you go to your dentist for a mouthguard because
              |you grind your teeth, the dentist tells you to stop biting
              |ice, do you see the difference?   Champing means grinding,
              |chomping means biting /chewing  You can grind/champ your
              |teeth, but you can't chew/chomp your teeth


                |u/mad_m4tty - 1 hour
                |
                |The dentist analogy doesn’t quite work here, though.
                |People aren’t debating whether “grinding” and “biting”
                |are different actions—they’re using “chomping at the
                |bit” as a common phrase, even if it’s not the original
                |term. Language is about communication, and if most
                |people understand “chomping” to mean eager or impatient
                |in this context, it’s not ignorance—it’s just linguistic
                |evolution. Words often shift over time, and insisting on
                |strict definitions when the meaning is clear doesn’t
                |make the usage wrong, just different.


                  |u/WonderfulPlace7225 - 1 hour
                  |
                  |it's literally a dental term  chomping is biting
                  |champing is grinding  HORSES DO NOT CHOMP THE BIT   IT
                  |WOULD BREAK THEIR TEETH  the common phase is "champing
                  |at the bit"  the idiot's common phrase is "chomping at
                  |the bit"  so many idiots exist that it became a phrase
                  |if its own to inform educated people of one's
                  |ignorance by using the wrong word


|u/I_might_be_weasel - 14 hours
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|Neat.


|u/nathingz - 7 hours
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|Shut. It. Down. 


|u/MassiveKratomDump - 14 hours
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|Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!


  |u/oeeiae - 11 hours
  |
  |New Jersey?


    |u/Master_Debatin - 8 hours
    |
    |Austria!!


|u/Adept-Mulberry-8720 - 7 hours
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|Good job!


|u/906805 - 8 hours
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|How many refineries do they have?


  |u/schlitz91 - 8 hours
  |
  |Surprisingly, only about a dozen.  They are a net exporter of crude
  |oil.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries


    |u/Usernametaken1121 - 6 hours
    |
    |That's more than most. Saudias have five. Brazil- 18 US has 130.


    |u/906805 - 7 hours
    |
    |Thanks. Good info.


|u/Psweeting - 3 hours
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|Don't let anyone else in the UK know please. Any excuse to hike energy
|prices will be taken.


|u/Pexkokingcru - 1 hour
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|Got shipped overseas


|u/Fahslabend - 10 hours
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|It's not just a message for Russia. It's for all Europe.   >In 2021, it
|[Russia] was the largest exporter of oil and natural gas to the European
|Union, (90%)[1][2] and 40% of gas consumed in the EU came from
|Russia.[3][4]
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_sector


  |u/KnowledgeAmoeba - 9 hours
  |
  |Here is some updated information. [In 2023, gas imports from Russia to
  |the European Union was
  |8%](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-supply/)
  |>The share of Russia’s pipeline gas in EU imports dropped from over
  |40% in 2021 to about 8% in 2023. For pipeline gas and LNG combined,
  |Russia accounted for less than 15% of total EU gas imports.


    |u/Usernametaken1121 - 6 hours
    |
    |It kinda sucks the blockade on Russian energy caused UKs economy to
    |break, but it's a noble sacrifice.


      |u/MasterSpliffBlaster - 4 hours
      |
      |Completely ignoring Brexit are we?


        |u/Usernametaken1121 - 3 hours
        |
        |I never said Brexit didn't play a major part. I just said the
        |end of Russian energy imports was the final nail, everything
        |would have been relatively fine without that.  UKs economy was
        |poised for a rebound until they had to import alternative energy
        |sources at higher and higher interest rates (caused by Brexit)
        |creating massive amount sof debt the government can't pay back
        |while at the same time funding all the other things it needs to.
        |This isn't a political take or a jab at Ukrainian support, it's
        |merely an economic reality.  Google "uk debt caused by high
        |interest rate borrowing" if you're curious.


|u/Large_Mud4438 - 14 hours
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|Don’t worry Germanys Scholtz will send part’s…


|u/Anasmasia - 12 hours
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|Bro wtf is this fake ahh news?? There exists no other news source to
|corroborate this one. Additionally the Russian economy has been one of
|the fastest growing economies in Europe this year and in 2023.
|(https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399.amp), as well as having
|record low unemployment
|rates(https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/unemployment-rate). If these
|facts exist it just points to the Russian oil and gas export industries
|are in fact growing, and thus this news source is pretty much 100% fake
|or just misleading. Maybe 3 refineries are closing due to being outdated
|or smth like so, but the news article mentions none of that, and
|contradicts the aforementioned facts. Its just fake and I want people to
|be more critical whilst reading a news source for I see many in the
|comments have just chosen to accept it blindly.


  |u/Lord_Frederick - 11 hours
  |
  |> There exists no other news source to corroborate this one.
  |https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-refineries-cut-oil-
  |runs-due-losses-closures-loom-2024-11-15/  > Russian economy has been
  |one of the fastest growing economies in Europe this year and in 2023
  |Because they went into a war economy  > having record low unemployment
  |rates  Because a huge chunk of the workforce got drafted or fled the
  |country  > If these facts exist it just points to the Russian oil and
  |gas export industries are in fact growing, and thus this news source
  |is pretty much 100% fake or just misleading.  [Russia is one of the
  |most expensive places in the world to produce oil, new analysis
  |produced for Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco has
  |found. The cost of producing a single barrel of Brent crude oil came
  |in at around $42 for Russian onshore projects, and $44 for offshore
  |projects, IHS Markit estimated. That was more than twice the $17 per
  |barrel production costs in Saudi Arabia — the cheapest in the
  |world.](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/12/russian-oil-
  |production-most-expensive-world-saudi-aramco-ipo-a68132)


    |u/LMurch13 - 10 hours
    |
    |"Hello, 911? I'd like to report a murder...."


    |u/Anasmasia - 10 hours
    |
    |Ah alr I didn’t really exactly know how a war economy works but yes
    |this explains a lot thx I was just taking the stats at face value
    |there lol kinda hypocritical of me, but damn the increase in prize
    |for Russian oil and how it has made it less viable on the
    |international market is interesting af. Will props look into that
    |side of global trade sometime in the future but yes again thx. Sucks
    |how you are like the only guy to comment smth useful tho wish more
    |people did that and with sources to. Genuinely big respects for you


  |u/AdorableBowl7863 - 10 hours
  |
  |Get in that trench Boris. Join your North Korean friends and get in
  |that trench. You’re wasting time here


    |u/Anasmasia - 10 hours
    |
    |Damn lil bro I was just pointing out the discrepancies in the
    |article and how it went contrary to facts I personally believed
    |painted an entirely different story on the state of Russia’s oil
    |industries.  But like actually your implying that I should go kill
    |myself like wtf can’t we be civil?


      |u/Sanity_in_Moderation - 9 hours
      |
      |All you do is post Kremlin propaganda and lies.  No.  We cannot be
      |civil.  The world will be a better place when you are not in it.


        |u/AdorableBowl7863 - 9 hours
        |
        |Russian troll fucked itself


        |u/Anasmasia - 9 hours
        |
        |That shi is straight up messed up tho. There are many MANY
        |people I don’t agree with but I believe discourse of all types
        |only help strengthen our democracies. Wishing death upon those
        |you don’t agree with is simply another level of stupidity,
        |pettiness, vanity, and childishness.


          |u/AdorableBowl7863 - 8 hours
          |
          |Little bro, we are not playing tick tack toe. This is war
          |little homie. Your country has declared mine an enemy.
          |Therefore we are enemies. Put on your big boy pants and accept
          |responsibility. If you didn’t have a job trolling the internet
          |you would be in a trench. Simple as that. It’s funny to see
          |you crying after your country is blowing up dams and killing
          |innocent people. Get out of here with your crap crybaby


            |u/Anasmasia - 8 hours
            |
            |Umm I ’m not Russian tho?


              |u/AdorableBowl7863 - 8 hours
              |
              |Are you asking me? Your grammar and comment history says
              |your a kremlin loving, Putin sucking, vodka drinking
              |Sputnik fan. Your lies don’t fly here little bro


                |u/Anasmasia - 46 minutes
                |
                |Liksom du kan enkelt gå inn på google translate å finne
                |ut om hvilket språk det er jeg snakker nå men poenget er
                |at du må være mer sivilisert med online diskusjoner. Det
                |og jeg tror ikke jeg har så fucka grammatikk, fikk en
                |nice karakter i engelsk i fjor. Fortsatt vær
                |respektfull, med respekt så kan vi skape en bedre verden
                |Edit: your comment history doesn’t portray much in terms
                |of cognitive independence either. Most of it you don’t
                |even put sources for your statements. Are you sure I’m
                |the bot here?


      |u/AdorableBowl7863 - 9 hours
      |
      |Listen here Russian cosmonaut, nobody wants to hear your fake
      |news. There is a war happening as we speak. Russian bot trolls are
      |all over Reddit and I don’t have time to deal with all of you.


        |u/Anasmasia - 9 hours
        |
        |I provided reliable sources for my info tho to prove that shi
        |wasn’t fake :/  That and I’ve already admitted there were things
        |I didn’t know to another commenter, I really am struggling to
        |understand your aggressiveness here. First you tell me to
        |essentially die in a trench and now your pretty much
        |dehumanizing me by calling me a bot? And propagandist???


  |u/giabollc - 12 hours
  |
  |The lady doth protesteth too much, methinks.


    |u/Anasmasia - 12 hours
    |
    |It is like the king behind the arras


  |u/eagleshark - 10 hours
  |
  |You have a point that the constant stream of gloomy forecasts for
  |Russia are often extremely misleading.      I am especially annoyed at
  |any article that claims something is “on the verge”, or “about to” or
  |“could” happen.  Until something happens, it’s all just predictions
  |and wild speculation.  On the other hand , these three refineries have
  |already cut production this year due to low profitability, so
  |*something* is clearly happening.   It’s something to keep an eye on.