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|u/SendStoreMeloner - 15 hours
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|That's great. I hope they catch as many as they can and all the
|important ones.
|u/Balbuto - 3 hours
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|Wish the same thing could be done for all the politicians around the
|world as well
|u/thisideups - 8 hours
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|#AMEN
|u/ClockworkViking - 14 hours
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|Russia is running a 2 pronged operation before negotiations try and take
|place. * Take back all Russian territory before negotiations. To lose
|territory during negotiations will be seen as weak to the Russian people
|and the "Other guy" coming out on top. * Insert as many spies and moles
|in Ukrainian Military and government to sow discontent and shake faith
|in Ukrainian institutions. Ukraine must stay very vigilant and not
|negotiate for anything less than all Ukrainian territory being returned.
|u/T-A-W_Byzantine - 8 hours
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|> I'm not sure of the best thing to come from Russian culture in the
|last 50 years. Tetris!
|u/oxkwirhf - 7 hours
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|It's amazing how I've not played Tetris since I was a kid and I
|can still hear the music when I see the word.
|u/csimonson - 6 hours
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|The Metro trilogy (and games, though made outside Russia) are
|fantastic. Also the author is wanted in Russia. So he's a good one
|lol
|u/EmergencyCucumber905 - 9 hours
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|Returning Russian territory will be part of the negotiation. Ukraine
|won't be allowed to hold it.
|u/OnlyLosersBlock - 9 hours
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|And they can have it back in exchange for all of Ukraines occupied
|land including Crimea.
|u/XG32 - 5 hours
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|i think if negotiations go that far, the talking point could
|actually be whether ukraine gets crimea back or not, then ukraine
|will have a tough choice.
|u/EmergencyCucumber905 - 8 hours
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|Ukraine is never getting that back.
|u/PhilosophizingCowboy - 8 hours
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|Then Russia's never get their back, lol.
|u/CandidateOld1900 - 3 hours
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|You saying what should happen from moral standpoint. What do
|you think realistically can be exchanged if negotiations were
|to happen right now?
|u/JoseCansecoMilkshake - 8 hours
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|and the negotiations have immediately come to an impasse
|u/alterom - 3 hours
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|>and the negotiations have immediately come to an impasse Not
|necessarily. That's where they start. If both sides could
|have what they wanted, there'd be no war.
|u/EmergencyCucumber905 - 7 hours
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|Ukraine doesn't have any leverage here. Their only choice is
|to give up and accept a deal (assuming Russia even agrees) or
|continue fighting without US support.
|u/ProjectBOHICA - 5 hours
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|I’ve taken sh*ts more binding than most Russian agreements.
|u/Hepful_Idiot - 5 hours
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|The world is not that black and white
|u/TheMinister - 5 hours
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|The Russian land they're holding isn't leverage? Fucking lol
|u/Correct-Explorer-692 - 4 hours
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|Look at the map, at the size of it. It’s nothing compared
|to what Putin took from Ukraine.
|u/Carasind - 1 hour
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|You’re underestimating how much leverage Ukraine actually
|has. The withdrawal of U.S. aid wouldn’t end the war—it
|would simply mean Ukraine gets less help but is also no
|longer bound by the U.S. rule book. This could pave the way
|for strikes on previously off-limits targets, potentially
|causing significant disruptions to global markets and
|increasing pressure on all parties. Good luck to Trump
|explaining to his voters why gas prices suddenly exploded
|when he became president. Moreover, there’s no realistic
|deal Ukraine can accept without reliable security guarantees
|(which are highly unlikely under Trump) or a nuclear
|deterrent. Without either, any agreement is worthless and
|doomed to fail.
|u/whoanellyzzz - 1 hour
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|best thing ukraine can do is limit misinformation their civilians see.
|u/wtaaaaaaaa - 13 minutes
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|Just like they are shaking faith in us institutions.
|u/MagicMushroomFungi - 15 hours
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|"You think you have a Russian mole problem ..." USA
|u/OldCatPiss - 13 hours
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|We don’t even hide our cards, we play open face.
|u/sharpshooter999 - 11 hours
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|The call is coming from inside the White House!
|u/pull01 - 9 hours
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|You meant the Florida White House .
|u/DeFex - 7 hours
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|The beige house.
|u/oxkwirhf - 7 hours
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|The biege resort
|u/MonkeyExp227 - 8 hours
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|Tucker Carlson 24/7/365
|u/OmiSC - 3 hours
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|*Shrieks in propagandist*
|u/MarshyHope - 8 hours
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|Are they really moles when they're that obvious?
|u/whoanellyzzz - 1 hour
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|they arnt moles by a deal or loyalty. They are moles by benefitting
|from russian misinformation, making them beholden to Russia to win
|future us elections.
|u/Electrocat71 - 15 hours
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|So sick of this conflict. Russia is so clearly in the wrong, but trump
|will be the dick that screws them sideways.
|u/MyOwnDirection - 11 hours
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|… and the rest of the world does just slightly more than the minimum
|to help.
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 2 hours
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|France should do a lot more.
|u/Electrocat71 - 7 hours
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|Yup
|u/Mela-Mercantile - 10 hours
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|it is irrelevant who is right only who has more guns an money (and yes
|ukr is right)
|u/kiwiprepper - 15 hours
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|Execution. It's the only way.
|u/adumbfetus - 13 hours
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|I agree, though it says in the article that he faces life in prison.
|u/Deady1138 - 11 hours
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|Easier to bargain with a living prisoner
|u/chickenstalker99 - 8 hours
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|Ukraine, as part of its bid to join the EU, has abolished the death
|penalty.
|u/PloppyPants9000 - 5 hours
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|Sort of. You should capture the agent, interrogate them for humint
|like their contacts and pass codes, whatever you might need to keep
|the communication channels open. Once you can verify you can maintain
|the contacts without the contacts realizing that they have been
|compromised, you quietly execute the traitor and make recordings of it
|(without time stamps). Then, you use your contacts to feed them fake
|and bad intel — some very secret “signature” unique intel, so if
|anyone on your side starts circulating it, you can expose more moles.
|Either you dont have more moles to expose, or you keep the enemy
|running around chasing their tails or falling into lethal traps. Once
|your opposition figures out that their asset was compromised, come out
|publicly and expose them and reveal the execution footage — this is to
|deter other would be traitors from betraying their country. This kinda
|plotting is easy peasy 4D chess.
|u/Delicious-Coconut570 - 11 hours
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|Teach America how to catch Russian moles.
|u/GrumpyOldGeezer_4711 - 11 hours
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|Step one: round the upcoming President and half the upcoming Congress.
|u/FIR3W0RKS - 3 hours
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|Step two: the half of the country that voted those morons in
|u/louisbo12 - 9 hours
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|The US currently is just another of the former dying empires. Doomed
|completely to fall into discontent, to be replaced by China in the
|next few decades.
|u/PloppyPants9000 - 5 hours
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|Every empire has their golden age and also their downfall… after we
|elected trump and proved we have an idiot majority, maybe america
|deserves to not be #1 anymore.
|u/OnceSpyteful - 4 hours
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|We were #1?
|u/PloppyPants9000 - 4 hours
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|Yes. We dominate the world both economically and militarily.
|u/MATlad - 2 hours
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|And culturally. Most people on Reddit write like they could
|be American and native speakers (maybe especially the ones
|that say, "Please excuse my post as English isn't my first
|language"), including pop culture references. Sure, it's
|self-selecting and if you're on Reddit and writing in English,
|you're absorbing and reinforcing your learning, but I still
|get taken aback sometimes when I follow threads and people
|just offhandedly mention that they're Norwegian or Ukrainian
|or Paraguayan or whichever. ...And I say that as a Canadian!
|u/ConfidentGene5791 - 3 hours
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|Are you stupid or just pretending?
|u/Enshakushanna - 9 hours
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|we're too busy with the 100s of secret chinese police stations across
|america
|u/TheArrowLauncher - 15 hours
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|The resilience of these people is amazing!
|u/lennydsat62 - 12 hours
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|Send him out a window….
|u/pnellesen - 15 hours
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|Slava Ukraini!!
|u/GoldenGlimpse14 - 15 hours
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|Ukraine has foiled a Russian mole operation targeting its special forces
|amid ongoing tensions between the two countries.
|u/Tedanyaki - 15 hours
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|"tensions"
|u/wriggles24 - 11 hours
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|You could say that
|u/LimmyPickles - 7 hours
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|Man the Ukrainian forces have always been baller
|u/soulsnoober - 6 hours
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|Ukraine OPSEC has been bonkers from the drop, truly. *Zero* ships sunk
|by loose lips over there. Unsurprising that they'd come up with this
|kind of W, besides.
|u/Skull_kids - 2 hours
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|Yeah, let's forget what happened at the start of the war. No mistakes
|ever.
|u/PloppyPants9000 - 5 hours
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|its easy to not have ships sunk by loose lips when you have no ships
|to sink…
|u/OnceSpyteful - 4 hours
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|Yes, but Russia sure does. Or did. How many ships do they have left
|in the Black Sea now?
|u/Zippier92 - 10 hours
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|I wish the US could get rid of the Russian moles !
|u/jmi60 - 2 hours
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|Moose and squirrel win again.
|u/carlcjon - 5 hours
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|all of you who take side with zelensky thus supporting military
|conscription are supporters of draconian era slavery laws. No one
|deserves to be forced to serve in military no matter whatever is the so
|called emergency is and this military conscription law was removed in
|ukraine only to be signed back in again by evil actor zelensky. Even
|russia does not do this , they have alternative service for men who dont
|want to fight in war. but ukraine men aged 18 and above got no choice.
|u/Afronerd - 5 hours
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|Conscription is bad but it's Russia's fault still. If Ukraine wasn't
|facing an existential threat then there would be no conscription
|necessary. If you think Russia is the less evil of the two then you
|can fuck right off. This war was 100% unnecessary for Russia so all of
|the death and suffering is because of Putin's choice.
|u/carlcjon - 4 hours
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|i am not saying whose fault is it, i am just saying ukraine men
|should have had the choice to just not fight if they did not want
|to. forcing someone fight in a war for a so called national security
|seems like justifying human slavery. After all its some politicians
|and lawmakers deciding on life choices of the ukraine men. nah hard
|pass justifying any of them be it russia or ukraine, neither putin
|or zelensky ever going to go to jail for their wrongdoings, does not
|really matter who we all think is at fault, it unsubstantial in
|reality
|u/Afronerd - 3 hours
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|Conscription is bad, but Ukraine isn't the only country with a
|draft/conscription during times of war. It's just that most
|countries aren't being invaded at the moment.
|u/carlcjon - 3 hours
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|i believe any form of human slavery is bad and can not be
|justified. we are debating over human slavery just giving it a
|name like military conscription does not change what it is.
|u/Afronerd - 3 hours
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|You're not going to get me to defend conscription because I
|don't like it either. Ukraine is in a desperate situation and
|it is one of MANY countries with a war-time draft. Ukraine
|isn't some unique evil country for conscripting soldiers,
|that's about par for the course for a country being invaded.
|Conscripted soldiers being forced to fight and getting harmed
|as a result is Russia's fault because Putin is an evil
|dickhead.
|u/carlcjon - 3 hours
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|> MANY countries with a war-time draft war-time draft is an
|evil practice turned into law in many countries and putin is
|evil yes zelensky is evil too since ukraine abolished the
|war-time draft law but then zelensky signed it as law again
|after an year when he knew the war would need more men than
|are willing to fight voluntarily. How is that not evil too?
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 2 hours
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|Because it is necessary to defend the country and family.
|u/carlcjon - 2 hours
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|Russia should have never been given so much time to keep
|advancing into ukraine like that. Not a single country
|has the balls to fight them directly ukrainians are
|doing that with or without their choice is still a brave
|fucking thing
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 2 hours
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|> Russia should have never been given so much time to
|keep advancing into ukraine like that. Not a single
|country has the balls to fight them directly
|ukrainians are doing that with or without their choice
|is still a brave fucking thing We don't because of
|nukes. That is why there are no boots on the ground.
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 2 hours
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|Some people cannot justify to go to war even to defend your family and
|country to their family without there is a law that tells them they
|have to. It's not draconian to defend your country by duty and law.
|>Even russia does not do this Loads of stories of Russians who are
|cheated into serving. Who are pressured and who are forced.
|