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|u/ezrec - 15 hours
|
|So what’s the -minimum- remaining F1 you need for rebuild? Engine and
|frame? Just the frame? Just the VIN plate?
|u/cannedrex2406 - 15 hours
|
|Theseus' McLaren F1 Paradox
|u/Handmotion - 14 hours
|
|Trigger's McLaren F1 broom.
|u/drfsrich - 11 hours
|
|My McLaren F1 only has 3 wheels and is registered in Peckham.
|u/Anonandonanonanon - 8 hours
|
|This time next year, you'll be a millionaire!
|u/ChimpBrisket - 10 hours
|
|Only Fools and Horsepower
|u/passengerpigeon20 - 10 hours
|
|There is now a company that makes the full chassis of a 1970 Dodge
|Charger, and other companies that make replicas of or replacements
|for *every other* component in the Charger, so it is now
|theoretically possible to build an entirely new 1970 Charger.
|Original cars in poor condition aren’t yet so expensive that anybody
|with restoration skills has ever been motivated to try this, though.
|u/Plenty-Mess-398 - 9 hours
|
|Not theoretically. It‘s already happening quite a lot. And it goes
|beyond just rebuilding cars that crashed or pretending a piece of
|sheet metal with a vin on it makes your brand new recreation
|original, cars like Shelby Cobras are valuable enough to just
|build 1:1 entirely new original vehicles so there‘s several dozens
|if not hundreds already. Audi picked up a project they never
|finished and built a prototype car from 80-90 years ago. Because
|of the pipedream of petrol sanctions which ends in an effective
|ban of petrol in the EU, manufacturers will start building all
|kinds of retro models trying to add soul to the EV blobs of
|tomorrow, or building niche products (hypercars, reimaginations)
|or avoiding regulations by selling kit cars or something like
|that.
|u/ConstableBlimeyChips - 15 hours
|
|Essentially yes, the VIN plate and number is all that matters. With
|it, even if you replace everything else, you have a genuine McLaren
|F1. Without it, it'll never be more than a replica. Though with the
|way people keep up with the whereabouts and condition of these cars,
|it'll be widely known you have a rebuilt F1 and it'll be worth quite a
|bit less than one in more pristine condition (though still much more
|than the replica).
|u/ensalys - 15 hours
|
|So what if I build a perfect replica, and trade VIN plates with
|someone with a genuine one, who will have a genuine F1 after the
|trade?
|u/PrometheusSmith - 14 hours
|
|Legally, or practically? If you took an F1 and cut out the
|portion of the frame that had the VIN and sent it back to be
|rebuilt, then patched in the frame where the VIN was located and
|compared the two they would both practically be F1s. However only
|the one that was rebuilt from the VIN plate would legally be an
|F1. The one it was removed from would be spare parts.
|u/Aeredor - 12 hours
|
|that’s a fast lot of spare parts
|u/Bigdaddyjlove1 - 10 hours
|
|It's nice if your spares can keep up.
|u/greenskinmarch - 8 hours
|
|If you break the VIN plate in half, can both halves regrow into
|full VINs?
|u/Spork_the_dork - 14 hours
|
|I'm no expert but I would guess the person with the VIN plates. If
|that's all you need for essentially an entirely new build of the
|car then that's what makes it genuine.
|u/bucket_of_frogs - 13 hours
|
|You wouldn’t be able to rebuild an F1 without access to the same
|technology that McLaren used the first time around. Only McLaren
|themselves can manufacture the main panels and parts necessary and
|there are a limited number of independent specialists who can
|access these from the factory and have the knowledge to rebuild
|one. If it were a replica, it wouldn’t fool anyone.
|u/blackdynomitesnewbag - 14 hours
|
|You sure it would be worth less? It would basically be a brand new
|F1.
|u/Bazurke - 12 hours
|
|I beleive I read that Rowan Atkinsons F1 became more valuable
|after he crashed it
|u/ThePublikon - 12 hours
|
|Exactly. It's a brand new factory built car but now it has a
|cool story of a celeb wrapping it round a tree or something.
|u/Glyphmeister - 13 hours
|
|So it’s an NFT
|u/ThePublikon - 12 hours
|
|>it'll be worth quite a bit less than one in more pristine condition
|Or more, depending on who crashed it and how etc. 2nd hand market
|loves a story.
|u/Gnonthgol - 13 hours
|
|The VIN plate is indeed the valuable piece of the car. However it is
|enough to show proof of the VIN plate having been destroyed. You can
|literally go to McLaren and say you dropped your car into a volcano
|and they will repair the vehicle for you from whatever proof of
|ownership you have left. These cars are essentially collectors items
|so what is most valuable is the paperwork that comes with the car, not
|the car itself. If somebody tries to sell such a car in pristine
|condition but without the right paperwork it will be sold as a replica
|and be worth a fraction of what it actually is.
|u/Reversi8 - 10 hours
|
|Start up a stock car race series of "Not McLaren F1s"
|u/Individual_1ne - 7 hours
|
|Do you have proof McClaren will build an entire f1 for someone if
|they have the vin plate? I find that hard to believe.
|u/greenskinmarch - 8 hours
|
|> what is most valuable is the paperwork that comes with the car,
|not the car itself So it's basically a car NFT.
|u/anor_wondo - 3 hours
|
|most collectors items work this way. Which is why 'I copied your
|jpeg' is a joke within the nft community itself
|u/Card_Board_Robot_5 - 7 hours
|
|McLaren is not going to manufacture you a new F1 from the ground up.
|Doing so would reduce the value of all other F1s. They likely don't
|even possess the capability to do so anymore. Keeping parts stocked
|and techs to work on them is a far cry from manufacturing a whole
|new one. You're making things up
|u/wk2012 - 15 hours
|
|Something something ship of Theseus
|u/BfutGrEG - 11 hours
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|Theseus nuts
|u/Specialist-Ideal-577 - 15 hours
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|Documentation of the vehicle's existence.
|u/Wingnut762 - 13 hours
|
|No frame, it’s famous for being the first car built around a carbon
|fiber monocoque, so basically impossible for almost anyone to
|replicate.
|u/Skodakenner - 11 hours
|
|For Ferrari it only needs a VIN id guess its the same for mclaren.
|Someone for example recently bought this ferrari because they will
|restore it. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/retro/sold-burnt-out-
|ferrari-fetches-19m-monterey-auction
|u/human-potato_hybrid - 7 hours
|
|All you need is a situation where it's obvious that the car is
|destroyed. I'm sure they will even make you a new VIN plate as part of
|their "repair" of an obliterated vehicle. Ferrari has been known to
|do this. Crashed ones that have split in half and burned to the
|ground, 2 years later they are back on the road with the same VIN.
|Sort of an open secret that they just build a whole other car.
|u/BigLan2 - 15 hours
|
|It's the same with almost any limited-run super/hyper car. Ferrari
|will do it with the Enzo - a guy in Utah split one in two (the tub was
|intact but the engine was on the other side of the road) and he had it
|rebuilt and put another 65,000 miles on it.
|https://www.hagerty.com/media/people/after-a-near-fatal-200-mph-wreck-
|this-enzos-owner-rebuilt-that-was-65000-miles-ago/
|u/Ap0ph1s_Jugg - 14 hours
|
|I read about a tuned Enzo (tuned to basically be a FXX) a couple of
|years ago that crashed on a test drive, landed in the Atlantic and
|still got rebuilt. Edit: Found a Top Gear article about it:
|https://www.topgear.com/car-news/enzo-crashes-ocean
|u/Octavus - 13 hours
|
|This Ferrari sold for $1.875 million and it is just a rusted and
|crumpled body. https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/mo23/lots/r0058-1954
|-ferrari-500-mondial-spider-series-i-by-pinin-farina/
|u/m2ljkdmsmnjsks - 12 hours
|
|I watch car auctions and this one was interesting. Lots of "junk"
|selling for 6-7 figures.
|u/just_another_jabroni - 9 hours
|
|Like the art industry it's either some sort of money laundering
|or just utter madness
|u/Weak_Bowl_8129 - 6 hours
|
|Tends to be billionaires or hundred millionaires that already
|have everything else, and really want a specific car, that
|only goes for sale once every few years
|u/iPon3 - 5 hours
|
|If I was a billionaire and really wanted a specific car, I
|would happily pay two million for the destroyed hulk of an
|authentic one driven by a famous driver, and another few
|million rebuilding it to the original blueprints if Ferrari
|wouldn't do it for me. I'd pay Ferrari to get their team to
|do it. I'd pay for them to make it a netflix documentary.
|(If I was a multibillionaire I'd pay Lockheed-Martin 100
|million for a custom built demilitarised F-35B, the vertical
|takeoff version)
|u/wormat22 - 5 hours
|
|Imagine what else you could fit into an F-35 if you took
|out all the military stuff
|u/iPon3 - 4 hours
|
|Just a cheaper price, I suspect. The super expensive and
|classified military stuff is about as compact as such
|equipment can be made while still being robust. The
|internal weapons bays would be good place for a SICK
|baggage compartment though
|u/Cheddartooth - 11 hours
|
|The sad face that crumpled body is making. Lol. Also kinda looks
|like a shark.
|u/4SakenNations - 11 hours
|
|And that’s just cause they know that Ferrari will fix it up from
|the decrepit state?
|u/welcometothewierdkid - 9 hours
|
|For this specific car it's that yes they can pay ferrari to
|repair it, but really the reason is the VIN. Even if the car is
|fully new, the VIN of an original means it will be eligible for
|entry to historic races like Mille Miglia
|u/4SakenNations - 9 hours
|
|So even though it will basically be repaired from the ground
|up entirely new, it is still “technically the same car” so it
|can be counted as being as old as it is, sounds kinda like the
|ship of Theseus
|u/TheOneTonWanton - 8 hours
|
|Think of the VIN as something of an *actual* NFT.
|u/AvatarOfMomus - 12 hours
|
|Nah, none of thus is 'the same' for any of these cars. The guy who
|crashed this one paid an extorsionate amount of money to rebuild the
|car after. The total in parts was probably more than a whole
|replacement Enzo would have cost, never mind that some of those parts
|had to be custom fabricated.
|u/h0nest_Bender - 15 hours
|
|> McLaren will fully repair a crashed F1, no matter how substantial the
|damage. Cut a McLaren F1 in half. Send both halves to McLaren for
|repair. BOOM! Now you've got two F1's.
|u/helveticanuu - 15 hours
|
|Why stop there? Cut the car into four!
|u/SufferNotTheHeretic - 15 hours
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|Bring them just a wheel.
|u/Aiken_Drumn - 15 hours
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|Wheel Nut.
|u/hordak666 - 15 hours
|
|deez wheels
|u/blackjack1977 - 15 hours
|
|And deez nuts
|u/ThaiJohnnyDepp - 14 hours
|
|That's the joke
|u/jamesz84 - 14 hours
|
|And my axe!
|u/HairballTheory - 12 hours
|
|And this thermos
|u/blacksideblue - 12 hours
|
|thats not a thermos...
|u/mouthful_quest - 13 hours
|
|Ferrari Car Printer go BRRRRRRR
|u/Fresh_shank - 15 hours
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|Picture of a wheel nut.
|u/Chispy - 14 hours
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|They wheel nut accept that
|u/boipinoi604 - 14 hours
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|Grains of the brake pads
|u/my__ANUS_is_BLEEDING - 13 hours
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|The exhaust smoke
|u/Jesus_on_a_dinosaur - 12 hours
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|username does not match
|u/gangstasadvocate - 15 hours
|
|Gang gang!
|u/Habaneroe12 - 15 hours
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|Nah it’s like money one side needs to be bigger than 50% I tried it
|u/G2theA2theZ - 14 hours
|
|Cut 40% off and send the 60% for repair Cut 20% off the repaired
|F1 and add it to the 40% you kept from the original. Send the 80%
|of the car you have for repair followed by the 60% of an F1 you
|made.
|u/YoungBockRKO - 14 hours
|
|This guy mafs REAL hard
|u/No_Mistake5238 - 12 hours
|
|I love a hard mass airflow sensor
|u/whufc76 - 12 hours
|
|I laughed far too much at this...thanks!
|u/todd0x1 - 14 hours
|
|Isnt this the puzzle from Die Hard With A Vengance?
|u/Purplociraptor - 11 hours
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|The trick is you can leave the fox and the grain together on the
|other side of the river.
|u/Plenty-Mess-398 - 9 hours
|
|That doesn‘t make any sense. A rabbit is faster than a turtle.
|u/Krayvok - 13 hours
|
|You know. You got me thinking…
|u/Brave_Negotiation_63 - 12 hours
|
|Legendary car manufacturers HATE this simple trick. Please click
|for more …
|u/Nay2003 - 14 hours
|
|bro said send them a kitcar and most of a real one. u better do
|this with lms
|u/S_A_N_D_ - 14 hours
|
|That just means you need two cars and cut them into three cars
|each with 66% of a whole car.
|u/SargeUnited - 14 hours
|
|Clearly that intellect is what enabled you to afford the three
|McLarens required for such a scheme. Why not cure cancer
|instead?
|u/stoneraj11 - 13 hours
|
|Ok so hear me out…we cut the patients in half…
|u/SargeUnited - 13 hours
|
|I’m listening…
|u/jce_ - 12 hours
|
|If you cut them in half the cancer won't kill them
|u/CanAhJustSay - 12 hours
|
|r/technicallythetruth
|u/AnAttemptReason - 14 hours
|
|Who do you think funded the cervical cancer vaccine?
|u/fly1away - 14 hours
|
|What did you do with the pieces of car afterwards?
|u/Truckyou666 - 14 hours
|
|Throw a couple of bolts in both halves.
|u/Moist_Haggis - 14 hours
|
|Sorry I could only eat 2. 4 parts is too much for me
|u/pichael289 - 15 hours
|
|Back in the days of reading uncanny X-Men comics with my friends we
|always brought up the "what would happen if you cut wolverine in half
|vertically?". Would you get two wolverines? I swear I saw a Deadpool
|comic later on there this happened and there were just two of him,
|annoying the shit out of everyone and creeping on spiderman and
|whatever nonsense he did.
|u/Azara5 - 14 hours
|
|I saw a post on here last week (can't remember where, unfortunately)
|from a manga where the MC's regeneration always goes from the bigger
|piece. So, they send his severed hand into the enemy's base, and
|shredded the rest of him in a woodchipper. He then grew from the
|hand, and successfully infiltrated them
|u/JesusInStripeZ - 14 hours
|
|That's Ajin. Very fun manga
|u/Deep90 - 14 hours
|
|They did cut the anime sadly, but Sato was a total
|[menace](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6UH15ogwoo) in it.
|u/_neemzy - 13 hours
|
|The anime was cancelled? This thread just reminded me that
|I've been expecting new episodes for years haha
|u/Deep90 - 11 hours
|
|I mean who really knows. One thing that annoys me with
|anime is that they'll take forever to produce a new season,
|or suddenly decide to renew a show that was cut because they
|figured out people like it 5 years later.
|u/Wermine - 13 hours
|
|I don't quite understand. Why did the needles fly off when he
|hit the ground after the headshot? Couldn't he just.. dropped
|on the ground without the headshot? Are those some kind of
|"smart needles" that detach if the body doesn't have a pulse
|or what? Or maybe it's just "rule of cool" and I overthink it.
|u/OldSchoolNewRules - 13 hours
|
|Third one, yeah.
|u/Deep90 - 12 hours
|
|Rule of cool. The thud of him hitting the ground just throws
|them off I guess. Technically he has regeneration on death
|so you could argue that pushes the needles out as well.
|u/OperaSona - 13 hours
|
|And the really great thing about Ajin isn't the "yo we've got
|these characters that can regenerate after death" thing. We've
|seen that many times and we're used to it now. No, the great
|thing about Ajin is that unlike Wolverine or Deadpool or most
|other characters with a crazy strong superpower, some of the
|characters in Ajin really want to understand the "rules" of
|their power as best they can so that they can exploit them in
|crazy ways. These characters, if you ask them "what happens if I
|cut you in half, do I get two of you?", they'll know. They've
|got the rule-lawyer or the powergamer attitude of someone that's
|going to read every rule, every wiki, spend days just gathering
|data about the mechanism of some detail, because they've got a
|far-fetched idea that maybe if it works this or that way, I can
|exploit the way it works to do something completely crazy. I'm
|not going to spoil anything, but it's really awesome. Reminds me
|of the vibes of Death Note in a way. And people should read the
|manga, the anime stops pretty early and I think the storytelling
|isn't quite as good.
|u/Diz7 - 5 hours
|
|>These characters, if you ask them "what happens if I cut you
|in half, do I get two of you?", they'll know. Isn't it
|because many of them end up guinea pigs for the various
|governments and companies? They know exactly how much
|punishment their body can take and how the regen works because
|they were being put through experiments and tests.
|u/ShitImBadAtThis - 14 hours
|
|Oh damn, like the Netflix series? Maybe I gotta check that out,
|was disappointed they axed it
|u/JesusInStripeZ - 14 hours
|
|Oh right, I forgot it got an anime. I don't think it covers
|the whole manga
|u/djshadesuk - 13 hours
|
|How does the biggest piece know it's the biggest piece though??
|u/NeverComments - 13 hours
|
|[It’s magic.](http://i1.kym-
|cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/816/its-magic-i-aint-
|gotta-explain-shit2.jpg)
|u/menomaminx - 11 hours
|
|I've seen that character before - which cartoon is it from?
|u/DeltaVZerda - 11 hours
|
|Dungeons and Dragons
|u/menomaminx - 11 hours
|
|thank you :-)
|u/trashacc0unt - 11 hours
|
|Quantum entanglement
|u/demonshonor - 11 hours
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|Probably by the same mechanism that lets them regrow half their
|body.
|u/frozendumpsterfire - 11 hours
|
|Quantum entanglement obvs
|u/Dd_8630 - 12 hours
|
|I fucking love this. Shit I love this. It takes a basic,
|seemingly sensible rule on a supernatural ability. "They
|regenerate. If a piece is severed, the bigger piece regenerates".
|Clean and tidy way to avoid multiple copies right? WRONG
|Scientists have found a clever way to exploit this rule. Ninja in
|a box! Faster than light communication! Infinite organs for
|transplant! Deadlock for some weapon! There's a severed hand
|somewhere in a sealed location with a billion nukes. Destroy the
|city and we kill Wolverpool, and he blows it up. Hell, let's get
|more clever. Severe a finger, a hand, and an arm. Depending on how
|much of the original body you destroy, they regenerate at the arm,
|the hand, or the finger. That let's you signal how severe
|something is! This is why I love reading the SCP Foundation. It's
|basically all this. Clever ways to exploit an occult objects rules
|to contain it or exploit it.
|u/Grey-fox-13 - 8 hours
|
|> Hell, let's get more clever. Severe a finger, a hand, and an
|arm. Depending on how much of the original body you destroy,
|they regenerate at the arm, the hand, or the finger. That let's
|you signal how severe something is! Wouldn't it out of these 3
|by default regenerate at the severed arm since it'll always be
|bigger than the hand or finger?
|u/State_secretary - 10 hours
|
|> This is why I love reading the SCP Foundation I did too,
|until the depicted SCP characters (at least the most popular
|ones) got gradually too OP and I lost all interest. It was like
|my kid nephew telling "nuh-huh, it can't be killed cuz... Cuz it
|has xray vision, and... And it's fire proof too!" Instead of the
|inescapable threat the writers were probably after, they made
|the stories annoying and too incredible as they added new powers
|on the go. The mysticism around The Foundation was ruined when
|they constantly took the L against the monsters -- and somehow
|managed to always rebuild their facilities that got destroyed on
|the regular.
|u/its_justme - 13 hours
|
|What if you shredded the hand immediately after? The random
|biggest piece of skull left in a landfill would begin to grow I
|guess lol
|u/T-Dot-Two-Six - 13 hours
|
|That’s fucking brutal, goddamn
|u/CHKN_SANDO - 13 hours
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|naked?
|u/Azara5 - 12 hours
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|Yep
|u/CHKN_SANDO - 12 hours
|
|Take that, Bruce Banner!
|u/ZXVIV - 10 hours
|
|It's a different series but there's also the webtoon Epic of
|Gilgamesh where the MC figures out various rules of his
|immortality, such as by putting something in front of the parts
|where he is supposed to regenerate, he can "buffer" and control
|which parts regenerate and when, such as by cutting off his hand,
|blocking the stumps, and then throwing the hand somewhere to let
|him regenerate out of it instead
|u/D-Angle - 14 hours
|
|That's Evil Deadpool. A shady organisation followed Deadpool around
|collecting up all the body parts he discarded after they were
|severed and stored them in a freezer. After they had enough body
|parts to make an entire other Deadpool, the freezer broke and the
|parts thawed out and merged together to make a second Deadpool.
|u/NBAccount - 12 hours
|
|Wolverine's healing factor follows the "Master molecule" method.
|There is one part that has the smallest essence of 'Wolverine' and
|that is the part that will heal and grow into a new Logan.
|u/FragrantExcitement - 10 hours
|
|Essence of Wolverine, by Calvin Klein.
|u/goodfellaslxa - 7 hours
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|60% of the time it works every time.
|u/Geminii27 - 14 hours
|
|I wonder if each new Wolverine would have a skeleton that was half-
|adamantium plated. Blade-claws on one hand, bone claws on the other.
|u/ARflash - 14 hours
|
|One creepy fangirl collected Deadpool body parts and preserved it.
|She was able to Frankenstein a new one who became Evil Deadpool
|u/CountVanderdonk - 14 hours
|
|What I've heard is that as long as you have the piece of the car with
|the original stamped vin, it can be 98% rebuilt and still considered
|as a repaired original. In your ploy only one half would have the
|vin so the other half would be just scrap salvage.
|u/herodothyote - 14 hours
|
|easy, just start by repairing only one. then when it's done, tear
|out the part with the vin and have them rebuild you a second car
|around that vin. then engineer a way for you to remove the vin and
|carry it with you to whatever car you wish to drive. pop it in, and
|boom! you have an infinite car glitch.
|u/CountVanderdonk - 14 hours
|
|Hey that sounds airtight. You should go for it! I'll subscribe to
|your Insta to see the progress.
|u/RogueIslesRefugee - 14 hours
|
|Once upon a time we used to be able to do that with our dollar bills
|(Canada). So long as you had a piece with at least one full serial on
|it (the bills have two), you could take it into any bank and exchange
|it for a full bill. So, you and your buddies need some more beer
|money? Tear a 20 in half, each half gets taken to a different bank,
|boom, 40 bucks for beer. Sadly the Bank of Canada became wise to this
|in the late 90's or so and changed things to require both serials for
|an exchange. Edit: Should have mentioned, there was a requirement
|for at least half the bill, but that was IME loosely enforced. Unless
|it was obviously less than half, and you weren't doing this every
|weekend or so, the banks would just swap them anyways more often than
|not.
|u/Scoot_AG - 14 hours
|
|Lol seems like a very major oversight
|u/Winjin - 13 hours
|
|Indeed, I was just thinking how in Russia the Banks would accept
|"70% or more" of a bill. You could tape it all together and it
|would pass, too, they were always glad to receive the whole bill,
|even if it's in a horrible condition. BUT you needed way more than
|half the bill. Because this is some friggin infinite money glitch.
|Get two bills, cut each in half, boom, 4 bills. Cut each in half,
|8 bills...
|u/Responsible_forhead - 12 hours
|
|Well with 4 bills you can make a 5th one
|u/terminbee - 11 hours
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|I think it works for smallish amounts but you can't really bring
|in a suitcase full of perfectly cut 100s and turn 10k into 20k.
|u/Winjin - 11 hours
|
|Yeah, it would be hilarious Makes me think of the infinite
|money glitch in Fable: The Lost Chapters, where the shopkeeps
|had the mechanic of higher-lower demand, and if you bought all
|the apples he had, it would increase the demand for selling
|apples to the seller, but if he has a lot of apples (because
|he just bought a lot from you) he'd have a surplus and a
|discount... So basically he's buying them from you for more
|than what he sells them to you. It would take me about 20
|minutes to set me for the whole playthrough basically
|u/_TheDust_ - 14 hours
|
|Similar rule her in Netherlands. Except you have to have at least
|51% of the bill, otherwise its invalid
|u/OldManFire11 - 13 hours
|
|The US also requires more than half of the original bill to
|replace it.
|u/intangibleTangelo - 11 hours
|
|it's important that the 51% is a single piece of paper, otherwise
|you can obtain the additional 2% from other bills
|u/Master-Reach-1977 - 14 hours
|
|Just cut it in half across the serial. So one piece has the first
|half of the serial and the other has the second half. Lool
|u/RogueIslesRefugee - 13 hours
|
|Wouldn't work that way, especially with our current plastic
|Monopoly money. [See here.](https://banknotenews.com/wp-content/u
|ploads/2015/09/Canada_BOC_20_dollars_2015.00.00_B376a_P111_FWT_036
|1300_r.jpg) With the current requirement of two complete serials,
|and presumably still at least half a bill, it wouldn't work. My
|business has exchanged some pretty minimal pieces, but I'm
|assuming our bank just is being nice and not enforcing the 51%
|minimum on torn fivers we find on the bar floor after close of
|business.
|u/No_Rich_2494 - 14 hours
|
|Dollar dollar bill y'all!
|u/delciotto - 13 hours
|
| Pretty sure the requirement is atleast one SN and more than 50% of
|a bill.
|u/faceplanted - 13 hours
|
|Britain solved this by making each serial number worth half the
|value of the note, got the left half of a £10 note? That's worth £5
|u/aquatone61 - 14 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinson, aka Mr Bean, famously wrecked his twice and had it
|fixed each time. When I say wrecked, I mean *wrecked*, like any other
|car would have been written off.
|u/bobby_hills_fruitpie - 14 hours
|
|I love seeing him pop up at the F1 races. Dude is an absolute petrol
|head to the core.
|u/mrvile - 13 hours
|
|His Top Gear reasonably priced lap is an all time moment on that
|show. Dude just Mr Beans his way around the test track and ends up
|posting one of the fastest times ever.
|u/dafzor - 11 hours
|
|https://youtu.be/JOg_smPzq5A
|u/Tifoso89 - 12 hours
|
|>Mr Beans his way around the test track r/BrandNewSentence
|u/LickingSmegma - 11 hours
|
|Brundle also lights up upon seeing him in the crowd, among the
|usual rappers and movie stars.
|u/teaandviolets - 13 hours
|
|I'll just leave this here. Never would have guessed Mr. Bean was
|such a good driver https://www.google.com/search?q=rowan+atkinson+
|top+gear&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS932US932&oq=rowan+atkinson+top+gear&gs_lc
|rp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyCggBEAAYiwMYgAQyBwgCEAAYgAQ
|yBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyCggHEAAYgAQYogTSA
|Qk3OTg4ajFqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=ci
|d:f77dec9b,vid:JOg_smPzq5A,st:0
|u/aquatone61 - 13 hours
|
|100%, he’s big into classic car racing.
|u/Akiias - 11 hours
|
|I don't know why but this seems like one of the weirdest things.
|u/redpandaeater - 12 hours
|
|He really should try driving it from inside of the car instead of
|from a lounger on top of it.
|u/Zippy-do-dar - 14 hours
|
|I’m sure it was the most expensive insurance claim at the time
|u/garrisontweed - 8 hours
|
|And he sold it for a profit, $11 million.
|u/Gainz13 - 14 hours
|
|Theseus’s McLaren F1
|u/T0mbi - 14 hours
|
|I JUST SAWED THIS BOAT IN HALF!!!
|u/RBeck - 15 hours
|
|I forget which, but legend has it there are more of a certain car out
|there than the manufacturer made, because one or two "starfished" like
|this.
|u/Consistent-Annual268 - 12 hours
|
|Enzo Ferrari. VINWiki has some investing stories about this on their
|YouTube channel.
|u/issacoin - 14 hours
|
|i believe it is ferrari
|u/Fairuse - 15 hours
|
|Who says the repairs are free?
|u/AltKite - 15 hours
|
|They aren't, but as the article says, the cost of the repair never
|exceeds the value of the car. So in this silly hypothetical, you'd
|have 2 F1s worth more than the repair cost.
|u/pm_me_construction - 15 hours
|
|Unfortunately both ends would have to have different VIN’s for it
|to work. This Ferrari has the same situation:
|https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/hagerty-insider/even-
|crashed-and-burnt-this-barn-find-ferrari-is-worth-millions/ If it
|has a VIN, you can pay Ferrari to make it whole.
|u/TheReaIOG - 14 hours
|
|Except for the fact that there are indeed more Ferraris in
|existence than Ferarri itself will admit to - we'll go ahead and
|gloss over that one, lol.
|u/wolf550e - 14 hours
|
|Do they have duplicate VINs? Fake unassigned VIN? No VIN at
|all?
|u/TheReaIOG - 14 hours
|
|https://youtu.be/k-k0lrsFxm4?si=JXHkeX3owHbZy3C6
|u/Scoot_AG - 14 hours
|
|Sounds like a mix of duplicated vins for totalled vehicle
|replacements, and just more production than they say
|u/cohrt - 13 hours
|
|they have vins. its just ferrari will make more cars than
|they say they will. Ferrari will say Model X will have a run
|of 500 cars but actually build 600.
|u/AltKite - 14 hours
|
|I think you're taking this too seriously
|u/el_americano - 15 hours
|
|doesn't matter since the value of the car is going to be more than
|the repairs
|u/ZugaiSenpai - 15 hours
|
|they only made 106 McLaren F1 so they would be 107 if they did that
|u/MattR0se - 14 hours
|
|People have tried this with banknotes, and it's the reason that you
|need more than half of the note to reimburse it.
|u/urfuc - 14 hours
|
|McMitosis F1
|u/WeirdAvocado - 14 hours
|
|Cut McLaren in two pieces for an extra transport!
|u/MrPogoUK - 13 hours
|
|I seem to remember reading that happened with some ultra limited
|edition Ferrari that got totalled. The owner sent in basically half
|the car to Ferrari and they rebuilt it, then a few years later he sold
|the rest of the smashed up remains to someone who also managed to get
|Ferrari to rebuild it, so now there are 51 cars in existence out of
|the 50 originally made.
|u/Errosine - 14 hours
|
|Ackchualy in the lore McLaren works on the master particle rule so the
|half with the badge is the only half to regenerate
|u/jeffeb3 - 14 hours
|
|This is why the keychains are so popular.
|u/Individual-Main-5036 - 13 hours
|
|Wouldn't they just put the 2 pieces back together?
|u/Cptn_BenjaminWillard - 13 hours
|
|You're doing it all wrong. Pick up a bolt at the local hardware
|store, take it to McLaren: "Unfortunately, this is all that remains."
|u/jeef16 - 13 hours
|
|if only king solomon had to deal with these problems instead of nurses
|mixing up babies all the time
|u/MarxisTX - 12 hours
|
|Hey man, you wanna come work for my company?!
|u/gerbilownage - 11 hours
|
|F1 mitosis
|u/DavidBrooker - 15 hours
|
|Years ago, I knew something of an F1 superfan. Give him a number between
|1 and 67 (the number of 'regular' F1s manufactured), and more often than
|not he could tell you the ownership history for that chassis number -
|from memory. The value of the car is interesting, but I don't know
|another car that also generated the same level of fandom, either.
|u/Wreny84 - 15 hours
|
|There was one owned by a Japanese fan who kept it in the original
|wrapping so it was utterly pristine mint condition perfect. When he
|went to sell it he unwrapped it and the paint came off!!!🤣
|u/BristolShambler - 14 hours
|
|This is massively off topic, but this reminds me of one of our
|customers from back when I sold cameras. He’d bought a boxed Leica
|M6, still sealed. We were joking with him that somebody sold him a
|brick in a box. He assured us that wasn’t the case, as he’d paid
|to have it x-rayed…
|u/Ihatedominospizza - 14 hours
|
|Honestly that’s baller af
|u/ICC-u - 12 hours
|
|Considering the value of an M6, let alone boxed and sealed, it's
|worth getting it x-rayed.
|u/fantailedtomb - 12 hours
|
|One casual google later….. A Leica M6, sealed in box is worth
|around $5800, with loose models going for somewhere in the
|range of $3800-$4500 ….Jesus.
|u/Ihatedominospizza - 11 hours
|
|Cameras are ridiculous. It makes the cost of an iPhone seem
|trivial just from a camera perspective (not trying to even
|remotely imply an iPhone camera is anywhere comparable to an
|actual camera) But like a Sony Venice is over a hundred
|grand for the body. Imagine buying a video camera for over a
|hundred grand and it can’t even record a video yet. You’ve
|gotta shell out another 50k for a lens. Which will be good
|for whatever that lens is good for. You’re going to need
|plenty more for different shots. And then you still need a
|monitor to actually see what you’re recording. Cameras in
|general are just ridiculous. In the video word, you’re
|arguably not even out of the “budget camera” range until you
|hit like 3 grand Obviously this camera doesn’t belong to
|that kind of class though. It’s valuable because it’s a
|collectors item, not because it’s a good camera
|u/SamiraSimp - 11 hours
|
|it's one thing when expensive technology is expensive.
|it's another thing when a camera company forces you to buy
|a proprietary storage device that costs 10 times what a
|normal storage device does, because the camera only works
|with their special product that only they sell. THAT is
|the scam. or a "special camera grip" that costs thousands,
|when the parts and labor cost hundreds.
|u/Hidesuru - 8 hours
|
|One reason I'm happy I'm into stills. Still expensive (no
|pun intended) but not as ridiculous. A 1-2k body will do
|you great.
|u/ElephantsGerald_ - 10 hours
|
|It’s incredible how these things become so relative, and
|it’s instruments that blow my mind. A £500 guitar feels
|great. A couple of grand and you’ve got a beaut. But I
|know a double bassist whose instrument cost more than my
|pal’s house.
|u/DoingCharleyWork - 11 hours
|
|That's a lot cheaper than I thought honestly. My dream
|camera is a Sony a1 and it's 6500 dollars. I have a Sony A7
|mark IV and it was 2500 dollars. That's body only prices
|too.
|u/blackglum - 9 hours
|
|I have a Leica MP worth 50k lol.
|u/aerovirus22 - 13 hours
|
|That makes me think of Eurotrip, and how he got a BJ because he
|had a Leica M7.
|u/AlligatorTree22 - 13 hours
|
|Don't tell Scotty. Also, I just rewatched that movie the other
|day and somehow completely forgot that the lead singer of the
|band was Matt Damon. Threw me for a loop!
|u/aerovirus22 - 12 hours
|
|Scotty doesn't know, Scotty doesn't know.
|u/kippy3267 - 13 hours
|
|Whats so great about that camera?
|u/Frostwick1 - 13 hours
|
|They’re like Rolex watches. Precision built and repairable.
|Look up Leica cameras on eBay and sort by most expensive.
|u/One_Strike_Striker - 12 hours
|
|It's got a built-in light meter and makes a Nikon look like a
|disposable.
|u/hoopstick - 11 hours
|
|Did Frommers tell you that?
|u/ElfangorTheAndalite - 14 hours
|
|I’ve heard Leicas make Nikons look like disposable cameras.
|u/billsbro - 13 hours
|
|Nowhere. Near. Berlin.
|u/star_trek_lover - 14 hours
|
|Why buy a new in box camera if not to take photos with? Do they
|appreciate massively in value?
|u/BristolShambler - 14 hours
|
|Yeh, Leicas (and *especially* the M series) are highly
|collectible. They’re like an expensive watch - completely
|mechanical, machined out of brass. They have a massive cult
|following among camera nerds who keep them in a glass cabinet
|and never actually take photos.
|u/LadyParnassus - 13 hours
|
|Do you think there’s a market for photographs *of* the camera?
|🤔
|u/Noodlesquidsauce - 12 hours
|
|Using a camera to take photographs? What a novel concept.
|u/phatelectribe - 13 hours
|
|That's so tragic to me. Like a thing is actually made to
|capture the world in all it's glory and the thing sits ina
|box never being used for what it was intended.
|u/reluctant_return - 13 hours
|
|As someone who loves to actually play old games, I feel the
|same about people who buy new-in-box games and just sit them
|on a shelf. I understand the appeal of having something
|valuable that's no longer made, but...it's meant to be
|played and enjoyed. If you want an investment buy an index
|fund.
|u/Skerzos_ - 13 hours
|
|A lot of these people will just buy two copies one for
|display, one for use.
|u/BrothelWaffles - 13 hours
|
|On the other hand, people like this are why we end up having
|pristine examples of things to put in a museum down the
|line.
|u/phatelectribe - 13 hours
|
|Manufacturers always do this, they don’t source from the
|public.
|u/OliveBranchMLP - 13 hours
|
|they don't always do this. preservation is not a
|profitable venture. see: Dr Who
|u/Wermine - 13 hours
|
|Reminds me of some old Scrooge comic. He doesn't like
|numismatists because they just collect the coins and never
|even touch them so the coins won't lose any value. Scrooge
|wants to literally swim in it.
|u/LucretiusCarus - 12 hours
|
|I vaguely remember something this. Wasn't there a point
|where the three grand nephews learn that some coins have
|more than nominal value and exchange them under his nose?
|u/Wermine - 12 hours
|
|Nephews figure it out and then Donald starts to abuse
|it, yes.
|u/soulsides - 13 hours
|
|People don’t collect out of utility though. Book collectors
|don’t read every book they buy for example. I know record
|collectors who collect sealed albums with no intention of
|opening them to listen to. Collecting is about the object
|not its use.
|u/paythe-shittax - 13 hours
|
|1. Acquire collector camera no one actually uses 2. Actually
|use it so you have the only used one in existence 3. ??? 4.
|PROFIT
|u/Chicago1871 - 14 hours
|
|Idk maybe? As a professional photographer I only buy used
|cameras and lenses and I always end up beating the shit outta
|them in a way that would make collectors gasp.
|u/star_trek_lover - 13 hours
|
|Same thing goes for most collectible hobbies I think. Rare
|Porsches drive amazingly and true drivers beat the crap out of
|theirs, while the collectors get mad when a kid puts his hand
|on the carbon fiber hood at a car show.
|u/Annath0901 - 13 hours
|
|I learned the basics of photography on my grandad's Pentax
|K1000. It was one of the OG all-metal ones from when they were
|still made in Japan. Thing was, and is, a fucking tank. I had
|it checked for damage/repair needs after he passed away, but
|they said it was in good condition and still perfectly usable,
|so I shoot with it every once in a while.
|u/tehpwnage7 - 15 hours
|
|Yeah you’re supposed to get the PPF wrap redone like every 5 years
|or else when you finally do go to change it some of the paint comes
|off
|u/DepressedElephant - 13 hours
|
|That's absolutely not true for modern PPF. It was true before in
|the case of the plastics that would essentially break down into
|yellow goop that was bonded to the paint. The XPEL PPF I have on
|my car has a 10 year warranty - and still looks perfect 2 years
|years in.
|u/BizzyM - 13 hours
|
|> and the paint came off That’s not very typical, I’d like to make
|that point.
|u/QuiteAffable - 12 hours
|
|Is it made to any standards?
|u/K4NNW - 10 hours
|
|Yes, very rigorous automotive engineering standards.
|u/houseswappa - 14 hours
|
|Auto autism is real
|u/burf - 14 hours
|
|One of the original socially acceptable forms of nerdiness for men.
|u/say592 - 12 hours
|
|WWII and baseball (sports in general, but baseball is stat
|heavily) being a couple others.
|u/ashrak - 9 hours
|
|> WWII Acceptability depends on which side you're nerdy about
|u/Canis_Familiaris - 10 hours
|
|Trains too
|u/Positive-Attempt-435 - 11 hours
|
|And Roman empire for some reason.
|u/Dragonsandman - 14 hours
|
|Autotism, if you will
|u/RhandeeSavagery - 13 hours
|
|Rizz’em wit tha Tism
|u/DoorHalfwayShut - 13 hours
|
|Autosm
|u/morsmordr - 12 hours
|
|Autism
|u/intergalactic_llama - 13 hours
|
|How many years did you wait to use that one in a conversation?
|u/_CatLover_ - 12 hours
|
|Gran Autismo
|u/Acolytis - 14 hours
|
|Brother that man had a whole ass flavor of autism
|u/VinceAutMorire - 15 hours
|
|> but I don't know another car that also generated the same level of
|fandom, either. Ferrari 250 GTO enters the chat
|u/SuperMundaneHero - 15 hours
|
|I think those are a little more specific to Ferrari guys, while the
|F1 is basically the universal dream car.
|u/Echovaults - 11 hours
|
|The story of the F1 is absolutely insane. Here’s a good YouTube
|video about how it came to be if you’re interested. It’s super
|entertaining and well made.
|https://youtu.be/i9KyjQKIMLE?si=V5cg4YLuRbZ1OHKX
|u/Guac_in_my_rarri - 15 hours
|
|Considering most of the gto's are owned by a couple folks, yes it's
|easy to tell who's the owner.
|u/suchtie - 14 hours
|
|Also the F40. If you want to farm some easy karma, just post a pic
|of an F40 in r/carporn, you won't fail to get hundreds of upvotes.
|u/Zassolluto711 - 14 hours
|
|Yeah but there’s over 1000 F40s vs. less than 40 250 GTOs.
|u/Plastic_Composer9475 - 14 hours
|
|Is your friend u/peloton25 ? Lol
|u/World_of_Warshipgirl - 14 hours
|
|I have never heard of this car. What is it that makes it so special?
|u/DavidBrooker - 10 hours
|
|There are a couple things about it. 1. When it was released, it was
|the fastest production car in the world, with a top speed of about
|240 miles an hour. It is still, to this day, the fastest naturally-
|aspirated production car (meaning no turbo or supercharger),
|although the Bugatti Tourbillon is expected to beat it, some 34
|years later. 2. The racing version of the car won the 24 Hours of Le
|Mans *in their first ever attempt at the race*. McLaren and Ferrari
|are the only two manufacturers who have won the race on their debut
|attempt. If you're unfamiliar with racing, this is one of the
|'triple crown' of motorsport - along with the Monaco Grand Prix and
|Indianapolis 500, the three most prestigious races there are. Its
|worth adding the context that endurance racing is unique because
|multiple classes compete at the same time: purpose-built racing
|prototypes, which are the fastest, run at the same time as
|production-based cars, which are much slower. The F1 was one of
|these slower GT class cars, and it nevertheless beat purpose-built
|prototypes (2nd place that year, 1995, was taken by none other than
|Mario Andretti in a prototype). In the 30 years since, only one
|other time has a GT-class car taken the overall win at Le Mans, and
|never since 1998. 3. It was extremely exclusive, with only 64
|standard road-going examples being produced. 4. Despite this racing
|and performance pedigree, it was known for being a very sedate and
|well-behaved as an ordinary car when used on ordinary streets - with
|a similar cargo capacity to some economy cars. The designer, Gordon
|Murray, claimed he wanted to build a "better car than the Honda
|NSX", which for car-people is understood to be a very, very high
|bar. 5. The engine was considered an achievement unto itself.
|McLaren tried to secure an engine from the Formula One engine
|department of Honda, who refused (basically saying the specification
|was impossible). BMW, who provided the engine, also failed to meet
|the original specification - they came in 35 lbs over weight, but 80
|horsepower over asking. 6. It was fundamentally uncompromising in
|its design, with no expense spared in any aspect of its design.
|Famously the engine bay was lined with gold for its heat reflective
|properties, and McLaren would fly out technicians to work on
|customer cars personally. It had an internet-connected diagnostic
|system, so McLaren could diagnose issues remotely, which was
|remarkably rare in 1992 when its production began. 7. Among these
|uncompromising elements, it was one of the first cars produced using
|a carbon fibre monocoque construction, although that is more common
|today (still limited to extremely expensive sports cars, though). It
|is also one of the only production cars ever made with a center
|driving position (three seats across, driver is in the middle and
|slightly forward of the passengers) 8. This was the first ever road-
|car produced by McLaren, which was at the time known for being a
|Formula One racing team. The idea of them producing a road car, let
|alone a good one, was seen as absurd - so to produce one that was so
|well received on its first try was very surprising. The list
|actually goes on. It is definitely unique in the history of
|production cars.
|u/the_421_Rob - 14 hours
|
|I own a type RZ rx7 low production run car ~25 a year where made. I
|had someone DM me on the rx7 club forms years ago who has narrowed
|down the vin to one of 3 potential options and wanted to confirm which
|one I had. There’s some weird people out there
|u/YeahIGotNuthin - 14 hours
|
|It was that extraordinary a car. It was one of the winningest race
|car builders at the time, building the best cost-no-object street
|performance car they could build. One of the car magazines asked "is
|this car your answer to Ferrari's F40?" and Gordon Murray's answer was
|*"We are not attempting to answer Ferrari, we have nobody at McLaren
|who can weld that poorly."* In an era where the fastest exotic cars
|were just scratching at 200 mph, this car would top 230 mph -
|effortlessly, quietly.
|u/Andynath - 15 hours
|
|Are you talking about u/peloton25 by any chance?
|u/tjrileywisc - 15 hours
|
|I have a McLaren F1 that's rusted so bad it looks like a 2013 Volkswagen
|Passat which I am willing to part with for a reasonable sum
|u/Boomer848 - 15 hours
|
|Rusted so bad that the engine slumped to the front, and the iconic 3
|seats got so lonely they found a friend? Never mind, I’ll take it
|anyway!
|u/crowcawer - 14 hours
|
|Just happens to have been in a minor fender bender when someone was
|filming me drive around, so the tail is a little scrunched—kind of
|like a hatchback.
|u/Scarbane - 14 hours
|
|I went to a VIN-swapping party with an F1. Every put their VINs
|in a bowl and we each went home with a different piece of
|tail(pipe).
|u/GennyGeo - 15 hours
|
|Mine rusted so bad I had to put the pieces back together and repaint
|it to look like a 2019 Rav 4. Also willing to part with.
|u/CONSTANTIN_VALDOR_ - 13 hours
|
|RAV4 slander will not be tolerated I will personally send you to the
|Toyota re-education camps
|u/FUTURE10S - 12 hours
|
|Mine needed some bodywork done, so I replaced it with steel, now it
|kinda looks and performs like a Soviet Lada VAZ-2106.
|u/narwhal_breeder - 15 hours
|
|You must live in an incredibly caustic environment to be able to rust
|carbon fiber, aluminum and magnesium.
|u/arvidsem - 15 hours
|
|I live by the fluorine factory. Left it parked outside just one time
|and this happened. It's s tragic really
|u/narwhal_breeder - 15 hours
|
|At least yard maintenance is probably a snap for you, also
|unlikely to have any pest problems.
|u/arvidsem - 14 hours
|
|The yard is a huge issue. I keep laying turf down, then I come
|out in the morning and the entire yard is on fire. I'm beginning
|to suspect that the factory may have some containment issues. I
|tried reporting them to the EPA and they told me that my lot
|sounds "super fun" and I shouldn't sell it at any price. But
|you are right about the pests, I've never been bitten by a
|mosquito here
|u/FallenNZ - 15 hours
|
|They live on Venus
|u/laetus - 15 hours
|
|Especially since rust is an iron oxide. Maybe they're doing some
|fusion shenanigans.
|u/Random_frankqito - 15 hours
|
|I totaled mine, strange that it looks like 98 civic when crushed to
|bits
|u/pirfle - 15 hours
|
|If you can't be bothered to read the article, the cheapest one is $18
|million and the most expensive is $27.5 million.
|u/auron_py - 13 hours
|
|Jay Leno said that the most he was offered out of the blue was $24
|million for is car. He loves the car, and used to drive it all the
|time, but now it is almost not worth it to take out such a ludicrously
|expensive car.
|u/Pifflebushhh - 12 hours
|
|Fucking hell his whole collection is guessed to be worth 50-100m so
|that's a huge chunk of it
|u/SnarkDolphin - 11 hours
|
|He also has a Bugatti Type 57 SC Atlantic. Even though it's a
|regular 57 with an Atlantic body added later, it was a real
|factory body from Bugatti. The one original I know of (Ralph
|Lauren's) is estimated in the $40M range so Leno's is probably
|worth at least $15M. He has another type 57 (at least $2M last I
|checked) a type 37 ($1M) and I think he has a type 35 ($3-5M?) He
|has at least 8 Deusenbergs which are worth minimum $2M each, some
|are definitely worth more. He owns what is almost definitely the
|best running Doble Steam Car on Earth (call it $2M) and another
|one he uses as a cutaway engine (few hundred thousand-ish... did I
|mention that they only made 20 of these?) Original Jag E-type
|half a mil to $1M, McLaren P1 probably at least $2M, he has TWO
|Lamborghini Miuras (getting close to a million each these days, if
|not over) Most of them are pretty high mileage (I mean,
|relatively speaking) but "owned by Jay Leno" is basically the best
|assurance you could get that they've been impeccably maintained,
|so at auction most of those cars would probably go at the higher
|end of the range This is all off the top of my head btw, I'm sure
|I'm off on some of the values but he has many, many other
|extremely valuable cars besides
|u/Eritar - 12 hours
|
|I think much much more, 50m could be covered by like 5 his cars
|u/Saint_Rizla - 12 hours
|
|I wonder how much the Blastolene Special AKA the tank car would
|go for at an auction
|u/Echovaults - 11 hours
|
|There’s no way, his collection is worth way way more than that. He
|has some of the original cars ever made, we’re talking about steam
|cars. The list is endless.
|u/triton2toro - 12 hours
|
|I would imagine he still drives it from time to time. He strikes me
|as a type of guy who wants to drive what he owns, not keep it hidden
|behind some plexiglass enclosure.
|u/jsabo - 12 hours
|
|Given some of the things I've seen him driving around Burbank, I
|believe this statement is accurate. I've seen the guy pull up to
|BBQ in a steam-powered car. He doesn't buy these to look at them.
|u/Echovaults - 11 hours
|
|That’s kind of his thing. He’s known as the car collector that
|drives his cars. He almost finds it insulting to own these cars
|without driving them.
|u/pm_me_ur_demotape - 11 hours
|
|It also seems to me that miles Jay Leno puts on cars wouldn't
|hurt their value. Like, if he wants to sell it, you're not just
|buying the classic car, you're buying Jay Leno's classic car and
|the miles on it we're put there by him. Almost a selling point.
|Plus some 25 year old Saudi Prince would have probably driven it
|hard and clumsy, but you know Jay miles would have been driven
|with care.
|u/jsabo - 7 hours
|
|You also know that Leno maintained the living hell out of it.
|His used car is probably in better condition than half the new
|cars at the dealership.
|u/NocturnalPermission - 10 hours
|
|I knew a guy who was an intern at NBC when Leno was there. He’d
|come in every day with a different car and he LOVED to talk about
|it. If anybody asked him about the car he’d tell them to hop in
|and take a ride with him. Became of a bit of a problem and they
|let it be known to not bother Jay with car talk because he could
|go on and on.
|u/toss_me_good - 12 hours
|
|Not only that but it would bankrupt almost anyone that accidentally
|crashes into it... Yikes
|u/Pnw_Golf - 12 hours
|
|I just watched him get it detailed on his YouTube channel and he
|said he still drives it at least once a month.
|u/Nero_Wolff - 9 hours
|
|The F1 LM is definitely more expensive than 27.5m. Its the best road
|going version and the most rare. They only made 5 + 1 prototype. The
|prototype is retained by Mclaren HQ. 3 LMs went to the Sultan of
|Brunei, locked away in a vault never to be seen again. That leaves
|just 2 LMs for the public to buy, both owned in America, Ralph Lauren
|has one of them. Due to the rarity value is unknown but if one were to
|ever sell it would be far higher than a regular F1 or even an F1 HDF
|(high downforce). There are 12 HDF cars that mimic the LM’s aero
|u/Boggie135 - 15 hours
|
|I think Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) crashed his twice
|u/KilllerWhale - 15 hours
|
|Elon Musk as well
|u/Magic_flip - 13 hours
|
|Elon musks old one also caught fire after he sold it. I think I’ve
|seen 5 or 6 of them in for extensive structural repairs now, fire
|damage, crash damage etc. The Atkinson repair was the most expensive
|uk car insurance claim at the time, something like a £945,000 repair
|bill.
|u/crucible - 13 hours
|
|Rowan’s was the largest payout for a *single car*, I believe.
|Gary Hart left Munich Re on the hook for around £25 - 30 million
|after he crashed his Land Rover onto railway tracks and caused the
|Selby Rail Crash.
|u/Magic_flip - 12 hours
|
|Just read about that accident, madness
|u/Lipophobicity - 15 hours
|
|I'd prefer he used a Ford Pinto
|u/schnapsideer - 13 hours
|
|If you want him to suffer, statistically, it's more likely if he
|drives his own cars
|u/mobileuseratwork - 10 hours
|
|Elon crashed his right after he got it. Without insurance. After
|gloating about having the fastest road car in existence. It's on
|YouTube if you search for Elon and McLaren F1
|u/Only_Caterpillar3818 - 13 hours
|
|He probably put his couch on the roof of his McLaren because he was
|moving to a new apartment and things just got out of hand.
|u/meshedsabre - 14 hours
|
|Not surprised celeb owners crash them. Supercars are no joke. Just
|hopping in one and trying to drive it without experience and/or
|training is a recipe for disaster. It's NOT like driving a normal car.
|It's not even like driving a sports car. They are *beasts* and are
|easy to lose control of if you don't know what you're doing. I
|remember years back getting to drive a first gen Dodge Viper, which
|isn't even *remotely* in the same class as these cars, yet even that
|packed a punch. I had a Mustang and thought I knew what was up, but
|that didn't prepare me for a 400hp monster that could do 0-60 in 4.2
|seconds. You *breathed* on the gas pedal and you were pinned to your
|seat. Being able to chirp the tires at highway speeds was nuts. When
|I was young, I daydreamed about being rich enough for a supercar. Now
|that I'm older, no thanks. They're amazing machines, but I'd likely
|have run mine into a guardrail or something without even being
|reckless.
|u/TheNewJasonBourne - 14 hours
|
|Also, Vipers had no ABS, traction control or any electronic aids
|u/PainStorm14 - 13 hours
|
|*No airbags, we die like real men* 💪
|u/hell2pay - 12 hours
|
|And get a nice leg scar when you step out of it from the
|exhaust. That's how to know it's a Real Man Car ™️
|u/Ser_Danksalot - 13 hours
|
|The McLaren F1 didn't have any ABS, traction control or electronic
|aids either. And thats in a car that could hit 60 mph in a mere
|3.2 seconds and top almost 240mph against the same era Viper's 4.5
|seconds and 165 mph top speed.
|u/SingleQuality4626 - 12 hours
|
|I worked at a dealership where someone traded in an early
|viper(had the original tires too). My job was to drive lot cars to
|other dealerships. This one needed to go 200 miles down the
|freeway to a dealership and it was raining. I said I was sick and
|couldn’t do it. Some other guy took it and called twenty minutes
|later saying to send someone to pick him and the car up and he’s
|not driving it anymore. He said it was like trying to roller skate
|on ice driving that thing.
|u/MyOtherSide1984 - 13 hours
|
|Also a bad example because those were hobbled together cars that
|were never supposed to be produced. They're nice and all, but
|compared to other production vehicles, they're pretty low on the
|list for being designed with intent and specifications. At least
|the super cars and high end sport cars are thoroughly tested and
|designed for their use case. All the same, if it's anything like
|riding a 1000cc+ motorcycle, then yeah, it's a fucking terrifying
|experience that could quickly get out of hand. And even more so
|when you consider that they're not built for comfort, so they have
|really heavy clutches and are extremely stiff
|u/Echovaults - 11 hours
|
|You know what’s crazy? I had owned many very fast bikes
|(VTR-1000, 190 HP ZZR1200, RF900R, V65 Sabre which was one of
|the fastest bikes of its time, the list goes on) and I was a
|good rider too, I could wheelie most of those bikes. One day I
|got on my friends modern CBR1000 and pinned it in second gear
|and the front wheel came up so abruptly it caught me off guard
|and I went over. It was a mild crash but it really surprised me
|as I had been riding for about 5 years and had never crashed.
|u/LyrMeThatBifrost - 14 hours
|
|A first gen viper is harder to control than most supercars built in
|the last 30 years lol
|u/PainStorm14 - 13 hours
|
|Gen 1 Viper is basically a Chrysler truck engine converted into a
|sports car engine by engineers at Lamborghini and installed into a
|perfunctory car chassis It's amazing
|u/Punkpunker - 13 hours
|
|Didn't the chassis like to flex a lot making it hard to drive
|too?
|u/Pifflebushhh - 12 hours
|
|Speaking from gran turismo experience, I agree
|u/fuck_ur_portmanteau - 14 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinson has driving and racing fast cars for decades, he’s
|not just some celebrity who went out and bought a hypercar with no
|idea what they were getting into, he doesn’t needs advice from
|Redditors.
|u/Mama_Skip - 13 hours
|
|Just let us speak into the void nobody has spoken to us irl for
|decades.
|u/Gareth79 - 10 hours
|
|Also at the time his F1 was probably the most-driven example at
|the time, it was his daily driver.
|u/GenericHuman1203934 - 13 hours
|
|Reddit users try not to give backseat advice challenge:
|u/wilted-dev - 12 hours
|
|And Rowan's actually a competent driver, topped _Star in a
|Reasonably Priced Car_ of Top Gear, I think he was faster than Tom
|Cruise and Michael Fassbander both. Fassbander professionally raced
|with Porsche and Cruise, he's Tom Cruise.
|u/LickingSmegma - 11 hours
|
|Cruise raced two seasons in SCCA in the 80s, in the team of Paul
|Newman. Apparently he wanted to go too fast a lot of the time,
|such that other drivers had a standing joke about ‘See Cruise
|Crash Again’.
|u/cbelt3 - 13 hours
|
|Vipers, man. I had a coworker who had one. He sold it after a year.
|“Damn car kept trying to kill me”.
|u/kearkan - 13 hours
|
|I'm in the same boat. As a kid I had my bedroom poster cars. Now I'm
|much more in the "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast
|car slow" camp. Give me a modified civic or a Miata over a super car
|any day of the week.
|u/Billy_McMedic - 12 hours
|
|A few months ago I was able to drive a few super cars around a short
|circuit on like a day’s experience. I always had someone in the car
|with me telling me exactly what to do. When to accelerate, when to
|break, shift gears, steer, everything. First lap I did was
|absolutely terrifying. Just getting out of the pitlane was an
|experience as I had to be very very gentle with the throttle, put
|ever so slightly too much pressure and it wanted to shoot off, but
|conversely tapping the breaks was a right jolt with how much
|breakforce it had. I can fully understand why people say driving
|high performance cars is like taming a beast. But it was an
|experience I’d love to do again some day. Especially after I had
|learnt the track and become slightly more comfortable with driving
|such powerful vehicles I grew to appreciate the ability they held.
|But conversely coming to understand that even with all the money in
|the world, I’d never buy one unless I had easy access to a track
|where I could fully unleash one in a safe and controlled
|environment, a track car rather than as a vehicle I’d take on the
|road
|u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho - 14 hours
|
|4.2 is pretty slow by today’s standards. As someone else said, it’s
|as fast as a base mustang, and much slower than 911 turbo, that can
|do that in 2.7 seconds.
|u/Spikes252 - 14 hours
|
|The old Viper had no traction control, no abs or electronic
|stability, and was basically down to the driver to keep it on the
|road. Way different than modern cars with all the tech to keep it
|locked in on the road. Thing was a widowmaker lol
|u/meshedsabre - 14 hours
|
|I know, that's why I said it was years ago and that it's not even
|remotely in the class of these cars. Fast in 1993 is not the same
|as fast in 2024. In its time, though, it was a huge step up from
|your average street sports car.
|u/TheDaysComeAndGone - 14 hours
|
|No need for a “supercar”, just rent a modern electric car. It’s
|crazy how quickly they accelerate while making barely any noise and
|not requiring any gear shifting. Even with a Cupra Born when you
|accelerate after a red traffic light it’s easy to accidentally end
|up 20km/h over the speed limit if you don’t pay close attention to
|the speed display.
|u/YogurtclosetAny1823 - 15 hours
|
|Mr. Bean aka Rowan Atkinson crashed his McLaren F1 twice and had it
|repaired. He sold it in 2015 for 12 million bucks.
|u/Statement-Acceptable - 16 hours
|
|Tell that to Mr Bean..
|u/lazybeef - 16 hours
|
|…..they did. So he crashed it twice and still sold it for over 12
|million
|u/jxl180 - 15 hours
|
|I looked it up and it took 2 years to fix and insurance paid out
|$1.4 million
|u/MeccIt - 14 hours
|
|Still the highest claim* on a UK insurance policy, and they paid
|for the repair because it was still 10x cheaper than the multi-
|million 'write-off' cost *Edit: highest claim for a car repair.
|Yes there have been higher claims for a building and rail disaster
|(see below), and no doubt, lifetime medical costs.
|u/Repulsive-Lie1 - 12 hours
|
|The most expensive UK car insurance claim is the Selby rail
|crash
|u/dw82 - 11 hours
|
|Is that more than the insurance claims for the car that burned
|down the mscp in Liverpool? Estimated total bill of £20m for
|vehicles after a fire in a land rover destroyed 1400 cars. The
|car park was also destroyed and rebuilt at a cost of £30m. All
|insurance claims must have gone after the policy on that land
|rover. Imagine having to declare that when obtaining insurance
|quotes.
|u/epic_feel_time - 15 hours
|
|Crazy that he was able to crash the car twice when the show was only
|15 episodes total.
|u/Fit-Engineer8778 - 14 hours
|
|He’s an electrical engineer so very smart for money!
|u/epsilona01 - 12 hours
|
|He bought chassis 061 in 1997 the paint job and the interior are
|unique, so he made a hell of a profit on the car which had over
|40k miles on the clock.
|u/tribesman2004 - 15 hours
|
|Also, if memory serves, he put a lot of miles on his car. Really
|raises the chances of crashing a 600+ hp car with no traction
|control.
|u/sendmeyourcactuspics - 15 hours
|
|He had 65k on it
|u/tribesman2004 - 14 hours
|
|In super car terms, that odometer is about to roll over lol
|u/fragmental - 15 hours
|
|The character, or the actor? The actor is a huge car guy.
|u/Ohiolongboard - 15 hours
|
|Yeah he had one and wrecked it
|u/Jazzlike-Duck-7257 - 14 hours
|
|Twice.
|u/Busy-Ad2193 - 14 hours
|
|The character drove a yellow mini (the original tiny mini of course
|not the BMW monstrosity).
|u/3HunnaBurritos - 15 hours
|
|That happend over 20 years ago so it’s kinda pointless to bring it up
|in this post, even more when even then it wasn’t written off
|u/Jaggedmallard26 - 15 hours
|
|Next you'll tell me that Mr Bean isn't actually a fly on the wall
|documentary about an eccentric man.
|u/Taramasalata_Rapist - 15 hours
|
|It isn’t?
|u/jxl180 - 15 hours
|
|He crashed it twice, the second time was about 10 years ago
|u/Andynath - 15 hours
|
|McLaren goes to great lengths to look after the F1s. Here's a ([great
|article about the
|restoration](https://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/legal-
|files/a-mclaren-f1s-rise-from-the-ashes)) of the ex Elon Musk McLaren F1
|that caught fire under it's new owners. They practically rebuilt half
|the car! People speculate that it is worth it to get the entire car
|rebuilt even if only the VIN plate and Carbon tub survive given their
|extraordinary values now. Sadly the value also means that many owners
|don't drive it so much now.
|u/Flaky-Wallaby5382 - 15 hours
|
|I sat in the tour la mans McLaren it was the most uncomfortable but
|amazing looking car… gulf blue orange racing stripe… beaut
|u/PainStorm14 - 13 hours
|
|>The 1995 F1 GTR created so much downforce that it was claimed to be
|able to drive upside down along a ceiling at 100 mph (161 km/h)
|u/Flaky-Wallaby5382 - 12 hours
|
|It was the 75 actually! This is where it lies now.
|https://blackhawkcollection.com/project/gulf-mirage-gr8/ I was
|wrong about a lot of facts
|u/DustyBusterson - 16 hours
|
|I was always told if the frame is damaged that’s it there’s no bringing
|the car back to ever drive the same again.
|u/thisdopeknows423 - 16 hours
|
|Probably because the amount of work required to ensure it is straight
|and true is never worth it…unless the car is a McLaren F1
|u/Wafkak - 15 hours
|
|Or Mclaren is willing to build you a new frame.
|u/XchrisZ - 15 hours
|
|They'll build you a whole new car and just put the old vin on it.
|u/DrR0mero - 15 hours
|
|Thesus’ McLaren
|u/Groezy - 15 hours
|
|theseus'
|u/RoarOfTheWorlds - 15 hours
|
|And they’ll build it in a cave! With a box of scraps!
|u/SkyJohn - 15 hours
|
|It's a carbon monocoque. I'm sure if you had enough money you
|could get McLaren to build you any new parts you need.
|u/DontTellHimPike - 15 hours
|
|When Rowan Atkinson [crashed his
|McLaren](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rowan-atkinson-sets-
|record-for-biggest-ever-car-insurance-claim-091922086.html) (the
|second time) it ripped the engine out and completely destroyed
|the back of the car. Became the largest insurance claim of all
|time at £910,000. McLaren rebuilt it and Rowan later sold it for
|8 million. With 41,000 miles on the clock.
|u/clive_bigsby - 10 hours
|
|Definitely nowhere near the largest insurance claim of all
|time, but *maybe* the largest first-party single vehicle
|property damage claim of all time.
|u/Wreny84 - 15 hours
|
|They will certainly phone around every single person who owns
|that car to see if they can buy the part from a museum
|collector!
|u/Wafkak - 15 hours
|
|They literally have a facility to build custom carbon fibre
|parts.
|u/Illum503 - 16 hours
|
|No bringing back *at a reasonable expense*
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 15 hours
|
|It *depends*. It's 100% possible to repair frame damage, it's just
|that you can't really trust a lot of auto body shops to do it
|properly, so it's best to avoid used cars that had frame damage in the
|past.
|u/Abracadabra-B - 15 hours
|
|THIS is the correct answer. It’s very possible to repair anything in
|a car. But the industry is designed to not take the time to do
|things properly. It’s why the industry is dying. Gonna be
|interesting in 10-20 years when no one has the skills.
|u/0x080 - 15 hours
|
|You’re saying the mechanic industry is dying?
|u/Abracadabra-B - 15 hours
|
|The auto body industry is. Mechanics are doing fine.
|u/Sciuridaeno3 - 15 hours
|
|Body shops in my area are incredibly busy and have been for
|the past year.
|u/Abracadabra-B - 15 hours
|
|Absolutely! But the people who can repair them are getting
|fewer and far between! It’s interesting to see from this
|side. Go into any shop and ask!
|u/beepos - 14 hours
|
|Why is that? Is the pay low or something so people dont
|wanna do body work?
|u/xxSeymour - 14 hours
|
|It's flat rate. If you don't get the job done, you don't
|get paid. Encourages techs to cut corners and do
|whatever they can to get the car out faster. It also
|causes the techs to always be stressed if they will
|"make hours" for the pay period. It's a cancer in the
|automotive industry, and it's why mechanics/autobody
|guys are known for scamming people.
|u/Abracadabra-B - 14 hours
|
|That last sentence hurt my soul. But sadly, you are
|correct. Crazy some of the shady shit I’ve seen over
|the years!
|u/FrenchFryCattaneo - 13 hours
|
|It's the same as any other job that gets paid on
|commission. Customers hate it. Employees hate it.
|Quality is low. But bosses like it because it means
|they can pay less.
|u/FlokiWolf - 15 hours
|
|Which is causing other problems. If the car can not be
|driven, then you get a courtesy car. If the cost of a
|courtesy car for 3-6 months is too much, then your car is
|written off. So now a car is written off even though it can
|be repaired, not because of the cost of the repair, but just
|because it will take too long.
|u/CandyCrisis - 15 hours
|
|Paying for 3-6 months of a qualified person's time is
|really expensive, after all.
|u/calmbill - 15 hours
|
|Body shop labor is a real bargain around here at
|$50/hour. Most of the time the car is at the shop, it
|isn't being worked on, though. They're waiting for shop
|space to work, waiting for parts, waiting for paint to
|dry. They don't charge you for all of that waiting, but
|rental car charges can get pretty high while you wait.
|u/crappyoats - 15 hours
|
|Yea but the amount damage they’ll say is totaled out means
|they’re doing a lot less of the kinds of repairs like
|straightening a frame than they used to
|u/Abracadabra-B - 15 hours
|
|Not true. We are straightening more frames now because the
|value of cars is way more.
|u/jimicus - 15 hours
|
|I'm going to stick my neck out and say that if it's a McLaren F1,
|you ship it to McLaren and they of all people should be able to do a
|good job.
|u/Pantssassin - 15 hours
|
|Yep, I had a truck that was totaled after the frame bent slightly in
|an accident. We bought it back and took it to a family friend that
|we knew could do it right and had it back on the road for less than
|the insurance payout
|u/The_Grungeican - 14 hours
|
|meanwhile, we once had a Jeep Wrangler in our shop that was hit so
|hard the frame diamonded out a bit, and it could only turn left.
|after me and my co-worker looked it over and gave our evaluation,
|we were so sure the insurance company was going to total it. our
|shock when they didn't was palpable. we didn't do the work on it
|though. i believe it was sent to another shop with a better frame
|machine than we had. they may have swapped to a new frame or
|something, because the rest of the Jeep was in surprisingly good
|shape. it blew our minds though, as we couldn't figure out any
|good reason it wasn't totaled. it wasn't anything particularly
|special. just a regular early 2000's Jeep Sahara.
|u/bartios - 15 hours
|
|That's not necessarily the case with composite materials, the stuff
|the f1 "frame" is made of fails in a completely different way than
|metals.
|u/F0xl0xy - 15 hours
|
|IIRC the “Frame” of the McLaren F1 is a carbon fiber monocoque? I
|believe they are impossible to repair minus maybe some very minor
|damage. An entirely new monocoque would have to be made if it was
|seriously damaged even in a single area
|u/BumHand - 15 hours
|
|It doesn’t have a frame but rather a carbon fiber tub.
|u/Faptastic_Champ - 16 hours
|
|It’s a bit different when the frame is a carbon tub instead of metal
|that, once damaged can’t ever really be stretched and forced back into
|place and retain its initial strength. Carbon can be removed and
|rebuilt in sections to exact dimensions without losing its strength
|and stiffness properties. So yeah. No total loss on these guys.
|u/Dune1008 - 16 hours
|
|Have you heard of the ship of Theseus?
|u/sysvival - 15 hours
|
|If the car is worth $100.00 and it will cost $200.000 to fix, then
|there is no point in bringing it back. If the car is worth
|$10.000.000 and it will cost $200.000 to fix it, then its another
|story.
|u/therealhairykrishna - 15 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinsons insurance payout for repairs on his was £900k.
|u/VikingBorealis - 15 hours
|
|Congrats, you read and understood the title of OP
|u/ClassicPart - 15 hours
|
|Because in almost all cases it would cost more to repair the frame
|than it would to just replace the car with another. Like... the
|title of this thread alone gives you enough information to work that
|one out.
|u/democracywon2024 - 15 hours
|
|In a conventional sense, yes. If you try to "repair" a frame, you're
|simply going to be welding it or bending it and never going to get it
|completely right. The low end on a McLaren F1 is $15 million.
|Chances are most are worth $20 million plus these days but it's hard
|to say since they don't trade hands all that much. With a McLaren F1,
|if you literally submerged this thing in the bottom of an ocean after
|hitting a guardrail at 200mph... It would still be worth your family
|pulling it out of the ocean and rebuilding from the ground up. As long
|as you've still got the proof of ownership and bits of the car, it's
|gonna be worth completely rebuilding every single piece required to
|put it back together. As an example, Rowan Atkinson managed to rip
|basically the entire rear end of the car off:
|https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/09/rowan-atkinson-crashes-
|mclaren-f1-supercar-twice-sells-for-122-million.html $1.4 million
|later and that car still sold for $12.2 million back a decade ago and
|would be worth far more today.
|u/RunninOnMT - 15 hours
|
|No, OP is correct. I used to work with a dude who asked for a raise
|and upon not getting it said “peace out! Im going to work for a local
|billionaire, taking care of his car collection!” Then he’d come by his
|old work in a (non-replica) 289 cobra or [Ferrari 250
|GTO](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthiscar/s/8rq5mVQ84x) and be like
|“hey how’s everyone doing?!” He explained to me that even if the cars
|were wadded up into tiny balls, they’d get rebuilt. Doesn’t matter
|what kind of damage there is.
|u/Boggie135 - 15 hours
|
|I think the frame is a carbon tub
|u/ErikRogers - 15 hours
|
|So that's something I have in common with a McLaren F1.
|u/therealhairykrishna - 15 hours
|
|The F1 doesn't have a frame - it's a carbon monocoque. I believe that
|when they were repairing Rowan Atkinsons crashed one they made a new
|one as part of the rebuild. Does beg the question when does
|'insurance repair' becomes building an entirely new car of course.
|u/PCMR_GHz - 15 hours
|
|Nah frame pullers exist. They use hydraulics and pulleys to bend the
|frame back into place after a collision. Our machine uses reflectors
|with special lasers to ensure it’s put back to where it it’s supposed
|to be but we are talking about a few inches at most. If it’s bent too
|far the frame won’t retain its original strength for the next
|collision. Source: my family has owned an auto body shop for 30
|years.
|u/ButthealedInTheFeels - 15 hours
|
|McLaren will literally just make a new frame and throw the old vin on
|it
|u/creepin_in_da_corner - 15 hours
|
|The idea of a car being “totaled” has been ruined by insurance
|companies. When I was young, I used to think it meant a car received
|an insane amount of damage, roof caved in, front ripped off, etc.
|Insurance companies have decided that “totaled” means “we don’t want
|to pay to fix this.” Hail dents will total a brand new, perfectly
|drivable car. My car was “totaled”, and all it needed was a new bumper
|and a dent in the truck bed hammered out. If you want to pay a couple
|of million dollars, anything can be fixed. They could completely
|disassemble the car, bend everything back into place, and even re heat
|treat all of the metal. That being said, there is no frame on cars,
|anymore, so you’ll be replacing the entire body if you tried this on
|your Honda.
|u/Youutternincompoop - 14 hours
|
|well yes 'totaled' just means the value of the car is less than the
|cost of repairs, you can still absolutely get it fixed but the
|insurance is only gonna pay the value of the car rather than the
|cost of the repairs.
|u/scumbagstaceysEx - 15 hours
|
|A vehicle frame is made of metal (iron or aluminum or whatever metal
|composite). There’s nothing magical about it. It can be repaired like
|anything else. It’s just usually too costly to remove everything from
|the frame to fix it and then put everything back together.
|u/getthedudesdanny - 15 hours
|
|When I was a cop we responded to a crash with a hypercar that caught
|fire where a salvage service came to get the parts with VINs so that
|they could rebuild the car around it. It was pretty wild to see.
|u/fishinfool561 - 15 hours
|
|I had a 2001 F-150 and I hit a tree and bent the frame. The truck was
|3 months old and less than 2k miles on it. $17k in damages, insurance
|covered the repairs, and then dropped me. Truck was valued at $23k at
|time of accident. I traded it in 2 years later
|u/tesmatsam - 15 hours
|
|Not for rare cars, you have no idea, they basically remake the car
|from scratch
|u/EmEmAndEye - 15 hours
|
|At that point, they will build an entire new car from warehoused
|parts and simply reuse the original serial number. It’s been done for
|several models of cars, so why not this one?
|u/Aarxnw - 15 hours
|
|McLaren are certainly capable of doing it even if it takes a new frame
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 12 hours
|
|A McLaren F1 doesn't have a frame. It's a monocoque with a carbon
|fibre tub and the rest superstructure is the engine, the rear
|suspension is literally attached to the block.
|u/AvatarOfMomus - 13 hours
|
|There basocally isn't, at least without a massively invasive amount of
|work or sourcing a new frame, both of which generally cost more than
|the vehicle for any normal car, and even most high priced collector's
|cars. This is an exception because of its extreme value and the
|apparent willingness for McLaren to do those repairs.
|u/makenzie71 - 12 hours
|
|Most cars are unibody and the "frame" is a single superstructure that
|encompasses the entire car. Significant damage to this structure
|makes it impossible to replace the damaged area and repair is often
|going to be FAR outside the cost of the vehicle. A McLaren F1 is
|worth so much now that a new superstructure could be purchased from
|McLaren for less than the value of the car. On top of that, the F1
|uses a multi-piece CFRP structure. If a 2015 Ford focus gets hit hard
|in the rear quarter, it's done. If the rear quarter of a McLaren F1
|gets smashed, they can unbolt it from the rest of teh structure and
|put a new one on. It's a difference of construction technique and
|overall value.
|u/derpplerp - 11 hours
|
|If there's a vin , there's a way.
|u/0OKM9IJN8UHB7 - 11 hours
|
|When the car is worth over a million, probably closer to 200k really,
|it isn't a huge expense to have a single frame hand built. Then there
|are certain popular classic cars where demand is high enough entire
|bodies are still produced, something like 10-20k, e.g. I think you can
|build a 1st gen Camaro entirely out of parts from catalogs.
|u/BatmanBrandon - 11 hours
|
|That’s a myth from the old days, anything can be repaired for the
|right price. Total loss on insurance claims is dictated by the
|state/province/country you’re insured in. In my state a vehicle is
|deemed a total loss when repairs exceed 75% of the pre-loss value.
|Unless the OEM says a part/panel is non-serviceable, we’ll (I work for
|a big insurer) pay to fix the vehicle as long as repairs stay below
|75% of that ACV. Most places allow you to “construct” a total loss
|by accounting for additional expenses, like rental, salvage value,
|diminished value, etc… In those cases if it all adds up over 100% of
|ACV then a car is a total since when the dust settles it costs the
|insurer less to buy the total loss than pay out the repair and
|associated costs. The question Id have here is, what is the salvage
|value of a wrecked F1? I total high end cars all the time as a
|constructive total loss because we often get 35%-50% of the ACV back
|at auction. I totaled a 2023 BMW M340i earlier this week because even
|with $20k in damage we were still guaranteed $25k for the car as is at
|auction. So damage was under 50% of the ACV, but once the car is sold
|at auction the total amount paid out on the claim should be less than
|if we’d paid to repair the car.
|u/tehpwnage7 - 15 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinson trashed his twice, and it would’ve been totaled if it
|wasn’t for that McLaren fixed it entirely both times Edit: the car’s
|Achilles heel in that it’s one of the last cars to run OBD 1 meaning
|McLaren has to maintain a handful of computers that can run windows 98
|at best in order to properly service an F1
|u/PotentialAnt9670 - 15 hours
|
|You guys crashing your McLarens often?
|u/PainStorm14 - 13 hours
|
|Twice last year
|u/LikeAnAdamBomb - 15 hours
|
|GOOD. These cars are iconic.
|u/jetsetninjacat - 11 hours
|
|I used to buy luxury car sale magazines in the late 90s to 00s just to
|look at these in them. By the early to mid 00s i think they were going
|for 2 to 3 million. So i went to a catholic school with a lot of
|rich kids. One of my friends there lived in a neighborhood known for
|its excessive wealth. He had a huge half pipe in his backyard kind of
|money. His bedroom was like the kids bedroom you see in disney movies
|but way bigger and with way more cool stuff. One day i was over his
|house and his dad saw me looking at a McLaren in the magazine and
|talking about it. He told me the neighbor a few doors down had one.
|Now this kids had had a few different super and luxury cars over the
|years and would take us for rides in them. He set it up one day where
|the neighbor took us out one by one for a 20 minute drive in the F1.
|26 years later and I still remember that drive and sound of that
|engine. Sorry, just had to tell someone that story. I still cheese
|when i randomly remember it.
|u/Fullmoongrass - 12 hours
|
|The body shape is pretty gangster I guess. Gotta partially used bar of
|soap in my shower that looks exactly like this
|u/ekinria1928 - 14 hours
|
|Does anyone know how many times Rowan Atkinson's F1 was rebuilt? I
|appreciate he actually drove it
|u/spezial_ed - 11 hours
|
|Yeah I wish someone in the comments would mention this wtf
|u/Tomi97_origin - 13 hours
|
|Twice
|u/Naps_and_cheese - 13 hours
|
|I remember reading a out how they "repaired" one that had literally been
|airborne. I'm pretty sure the "repair" was taking the VIN plate off and
|putting it on a new one because the engineers went "yeah, the entire
|chassis is cracked around the suspension mounting points."
|u/429300 - 15 hours
|
|\>In popular culture, the McLaren F1 has earned its spot as 'The
|greatest automobile ever created' and 'The Most Excellent Sports Car of
|All Time' amongst a wide variety of car enthusiasts and lovers.
|\*\*Notable past and present McLaren F1 owners include [Lewis
|Hamilton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton), [Elon
|Musk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk), [Rowan
|Atkinson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_Atkinson), [Jay
|Leno](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Leno), [George
|Harrison](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Harrison), [Ralph
|Lauren](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Lauren), [Nick
|Mason](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Mason), and the [Sultan of
|Brunei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassanal_Bolkiah) Hassanal
|Bolkiah.\*\*
|u/crucible - 14 hours
|
|Nick Mason owns one that was converted from competition specification
|- an F1 GTR that was built for the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
|u/accuratedious - 15 hours
|
|[chapo](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn742vmAbEA)
|u/thekevingreene - 15 hours
|
|I read the sultan of Brunei had at least 10 of them at one time!
|u/adoodle83 - 15 hours
|
|5 for sure. each in different colours.
|u/Biscuitsandgravy101 - 13 hours
|
|I don't get to brag often but I was talking to Jay Leno in his garage
|a couple years ago and he said someone offered him 20 million for his
|F1.
|u/Wreny84 - 15 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinson we’re looking at you!
|u/EnvironmentalCut6789 - 13 hours
|
|I can imagine that call to the insurance company. "Hello, I'd like to
|get an insurance quote for my '92 McLaren F1". Click.
|u/GullibleDetective - 15 hours
|
|They'll send em to tavarish
|u/subtechii - 12 hours
|
|I need to get McLaren to repair my F1. Unfortunately the damage is so
|substantial I only have a single bolt left
|u/cholula_is_good - 11 hours
|
|You can buy a pile of burnt rust for $1M if it’s attached to the vin of
|some collectible cars. Brands like Ferrari and McLaren will help rebuild
|and restore original vins on some of their highly valuable models.
|u/TunaOnWytNoCrust - 11 hours
|
|So as long as McLaren the company exists, every McLaren F1 ever created
|will continue to exist? That's fucking awesome.
|u/xX609s-hartXx - 15 hours
|
|Do they burn out as fast as other super cars? I remember a video of a
|ferrrari who got some debris stuck in its brakes and the entire thing
|turned into a blazing inferno within like 2 minutes. Good luck repairing
|that!
|u/topasaurus - 11 hours
|
|At this point, wouldn't be surprised if an Internet person bought one
|and cubed it to see if McLaren would fix it. Maybe nevermind, just
|saw that one sold recently for almost $28M. I heard once that GM, I
|think, kept sufficient parts on hand once a model is discontinued to
|be able to build some more if they want. Imagine if McLaren did this
|and an employee kept stealing parts until they could build one. Like
|a Far Side cartoon, with them each day walking out with large objects
|under a huge trenchcoat. And maybe they drop a bolt or something and
|the security guard runs up saying "Hey, I think you dropped this!".
|u/mscarchuk - 14 hours
|
|That was the 458 i believe and was a recall on that
|u/Majestic-Fermions - 11 hours
|
|This was my dream car as a kid in the 90’s. Still is. Just a beautiful,
|technical and timeless design.
|u/Honda_TypeR - 14 hours
|
|\> The reason this land rocket can’t really be totaled is that one in
|the lowest quality rating on Hagerty (fair) is still worth $18,000,000.
|If you have a perfect one at the highest level, they are valued at an
|unreal $27,500,000. This is crazy high, but it's got a long way to go
|to get up to the price of the rarest collector cars. It's getting there
|though. The current most car expensive sale were 1955 Mercedes-Benz
|300 SLR “Uhlenhaut Coupe” — $143,000,000 (auction in 2022) 1963 Ferrari
|250 GTO – $70,000,000 (private sale) 1962 Ferrari 330 LM / 250 GTO –
|$51,705,000 (RM Sotheby’s, 2023) Looks like the highest an F1 actually
|"sold" for now is 20.4 mill in 2021, so that puts it at 17th place. (it
|will move up for sure) [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/List\_of\_
|most\_expensive\_cars\_sold\_at\_auction](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/ar
|ticles/List_of_most_expensive_cars_sold_at_auction)
|u/tokyo_engineer_dad - 10 hours
|
|That same car was on an auction this year, but it's a sealed result,
|so it likely went for substantially more than $20m. Haggarty estimates
|a "good" condition example to go for over $20m, so I imagine an
|excellent condition one will be $30m+.
|u/VictoriousStalemate - 16 hours
|
|We need Whistlin Diesel to test this theory.
|u/BlueFalcon142 - 15 hours
|
|He was pushing it with the R32 GTR tomfoolery I think people might
|actually murder him if he destroys an F1.
|u/Mihnea24_03 - 15 hours
|
|Willingly thrashing an F1 is akin to burning down a church
|u/ImBadWithGrils - 14 hours
|
|I would actually cringe if he did, the other cars not so much
|u/Ultra_Noobzor - 12 hours
|
|It costs about three fiddy
|u/Silly-Bug-929 - 13 hours
|
|What about the F1 that was found in Sinaloa Mexico. Its owner probably
|got arrested or killed, and whoever was selling it didnt have the keys.
|Any update on the story?
|u/TheRealBryguy - 13 hours
|
|Oh no I destroyed my McLaren F1 and it's just a bag of dust. If I send
|it in the McLaren will they repair it for me?
|u/Loose-Garlic-3461 - 12 hours
|
|Huh. The only McLaren in my area is a juvenile detention center.
|u/keeponrunnning - 12 hours
|
|Outside of the very special ultra-rare Mercedes and Bugattis, there’s
|two cars which really stand above all others in terms of desirability
|and value considering their production numbers - the Ferrari 250 GTO
|(36/39 made) and McLaren F1 (64 standard + the less valuable variants
|made). Both works of automotive art. I think the family of George
|Harrison still own his F1.
|u/qqererer - 12 hours
|
|Supermarine Spitfires and P51 Mustangs are also in the same category.
|u/cwestn - 12 hours
|
|So... you're saying it's uninsurable.
|u/JamieRRSS - 7 hours
|
|So that means, we can build our own by gathering all the parts and it
|would cost less than getting the original. I gonna check the part shop.
|(and my bank too)
|u/Deaner3D - 7 hours
|
|I got $10 from Mom in 1994 to go to the school bookfare. I spent $7 on
|a McLaren F1 poster. She was pissed but it was totally worth it.
|u/Lussypicker1969 - 4 hours
|
|My McLaren f1 disappeared, will they rebuild a new one?
|u/RenagadeRaven - 3 hours
|
|I’ve never been into cars, but I used this on one of the old Need for
|Speed games as a kid and something like 25 years later it’s still my
|dream car.
|u/arc88 - 15 hours
|
|"You don't even know what a write-off is." "Do you?" "No, I don't"
|"But they do, and they're the ones writing it off."
|u/AssassinPhoto - 14 hours
|
|Valued between 18m - 27.5m Saved you a click and a read
|u/p8ntslinger - 10 hours
|
|so if I took a cutting torch to one and snagged the VIN plate off of it,
|then put the rest of it into an industrial crusher and then into a
|crucible at a steel smelting furnace, and melted it into a a single
|solid block of metal, it would *still be cheaper* to manufacture a
|completely new one and tack-weld the VIN plate onto it? I find that
|hard to believe.
|u/VetteBuilder - 15 hours
|
|McLaren will do anything but build a reliable car Reviewed a new 650 S
|and the gas filler lid fell the F off
|u/Vantagonist - 13 hours
|
|I valeted a 570S and the backup camera wasn't working so we had 4 of
|us taxiing it like an airplane. I bet my butt cheeks left a crease in
|the seat
|u/yellowking38 - 15 hours
|
|Mr bean has one I believe…
|u/Tobias---Funke - 15 hours
|
|He crashed it twice and still made £7 million profit when he sold it.
|u/Guac_in_my_rarri - 15 hours
|
|I'll leave [this](https://imgur.com/a/M2BZbKr) here. Go to the second
|photo to see insurance shit the bed.
|u/Witty_Ticket_4101 - 14 hours
|
|Imagine if every car had that kind of love from the manufacturer.
|McLaren really knows how to treat their legends!
|u/Jaek-Rose - 14 hours
|
|This has been my favorite car since I was 10 years old and got
|introduced to it on Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 (PS2). I think it’s
|the greatest naturally aspirated car that ever has or will be made. I
|also consider it my genesis of being a car enthusiast, gear head, and
|from there a love of machines and engineering! It’s a lot more than
|“just a car” for me and I imagine many others too.
|u/TheNewKidOnReddit - 14 hours
|
|Put Nicholas Goatifi in one if em badboys and see how long the policy
|lasts
|u/new_for_confession - 14 hours
|
|Next on Tavarish "Hey guys, I bought the cheapest F1 McLaren in
|America"
|u/R-Didsy - 14 hours
|
|What happens if one catches fire and completely burns up?
|u/vanillagorilla999 - 14 hours
|
|Gordon Murray sold his F1 because the insurance got too expensive to
|enjoy.
|u/jerkularcirc - 13 hours
|
|I mean if they can repair any condition it means they can build from
|scratch
|u/shiningbeans - 13 hours
|
|Until I sink my McClaren at the bottom of the Marianas trench to test my
|insurance company’s limits
|u/DiddlyDumb - 13 hours
|
|Rowan Atkinson will be pleased to hear that
|u/-sexy-hamsters- - 13 hours
|
|Iam a 100% sure that this is not true, i can prove it by burning down a
|F1 of anybody that owns one and believes this
|u/Boggie135 - 13 hours
|
|Gordon Murray will made something special there
|u/JoshSidekick - 13 hours
|
|Wasn't there a Ferrari frame that was mangled, but still had the vin
|tags on it and sold for like 2 million bucks at Barrett Jackson for the
|same reason?
|u/Mr-Blah - 13 hours
|
|That's... Interesting. So basically these are financially eternal
|basically. The price of these will probably plateau since rarity will
|stagnate at the current quantity of cars. Cool!
|u/Ancient-Builder3646 - 13 hours
|
|So can you dupe one? Ride against a tree spliting the car in two. And
|McLaren repairing it In two cars?
|u/kdubstep - 13 hours
|
|So you’re saying I should buy one of I’m reading this right.
|u/hoxxxxx - 13 hours
|
|basically the ultimate dream car for people of my generation.
|considering my generation is stepping into having the most purchasing
|power combined with how few of these were made in the first place, it's
|hardly surprising.
|u/Sillyness5 - 13 hours
|
|I am so happy to read this. I can now buy that F1 and relax.
|u/ElvenEclipse1 - 12 hours
|
|Wild to think that the McLaren F1 is so valuable now that even if it
|gets into a major accident, repairs are more economical than declaring
|it a total loss..... when you're talking about a car worth $20+ million,
|it like every single part of it is a treasure
|u/Gadgetman_1 - 12 hours
|
|Did Richard Hammond ever drive one? (I know he Raced the Stig, but
|then it was The Stig driving the F1, and Hammond drove a Veyron)
|Ever seen anyone with more talent for smashing cars?
|u/leto78 - 12 hours
|
|Apparently, Ferrari used to get crashed cars from the US and send new
|ones made from spare parts with the VIN replaced in order to avoid
|paying import taxes, as well as keeping the the limited production
|numbers at the same value in order to not increase scarcity.
|u/FullDance6858 - 12 hours
|
|Interesting. So they’re sitting on a gold mine they can make, but aren’t
|allowed due to safety and emission regulations. So they can only
|repair currently vin’ed cars. I wonder if they could make a track only
|version?
|u/afCeG6HVB0IJ - 12 hours
|
|This is what I hate you see, I would have totally bought one when it
|came out except the barrier of entry is so high... but the rich can get
|richer.
|u/cactusplants - 12 hours
|
|Id love to see the process of rebuilding. How much is repaired and how
|much is replaced etc. Nowadays a little dent in the tub and it's a
|write-off because it's too complex and unsafe to repair.
|u/Shanarelle1 - 12 hours
|
|Test it in Oregon https://oregon.public.law/rules/oar_735-024-0050 mash
|the body enough and it’s a total, value and repair cost do not matter.
|u/HammertownchevyZ88 - 11 hours
|
|Infinite F1 cheat
|u/drdildamesh - 11 hours
|
|Do they just replace the frame when it's even remotely bent?
|u/GrandpaJoeSloth - 11 hours
|
|So how much does insurance on an F1 cost?
|u/HeaddHunterzz - 11 hours
|
|God, I would be high-tailing it into a tree at the first possible
|moment.
|u/Yapnog2 - 11 hours
|
|Can someone explain this to non-car guy like me? I want to understand
|how huge this is
|u/DarthBankston - 11 hours
|
|There are many cars out there like this. You can basically rebuild any
|vehicle for 2 mil.
|u/ycnz - 11 hours
|
|This also just makes sense from an aesthetic perspective. We'd always
|try to repair the Mona Lisa.
|u/Osiris_Raphious - 10 hours
|
|TIL the solution fo rhealthcare, housing, basic human rights.... Make
|the costs of these services and products cheaper than the liability of
|not having it, but for the corporate state... I guess it only works
|for expensive cars because the rich people can pay equivalent of years
|worth of wages a year to ensure that F1 evey year making the insurance
|more money at the end. Repair costs are minimal, but they will charge
|2.5m for bodywork alone no doubt.
|u/toofasttofall - 10 hours
|
|So if I understand correctly, and any repair would cost less than the
|total price, that means that the total price is a scam.
|u/BiggC - 10 hours
|
|What an unsubstantial article. No interesting stories about extensive or
|expensive repairs, just a long way to say “these cars are expensive”.
|There’s nothing in the “article” that isn’t captured by the post title.
|u/DickweedMcGee - 10 hours
|
|Nothing's impossible. Dump one in the Mariana's Trench. Boom, done.
|u/angelwolf71885 - 9 hours
|
|Ok so here’s what we do to test this…we get a rocket sled like the
|mythbusters used in compact compact car We get a cement clock 20 ft x20
|ft x 20 ft for the F1 to be set in front of And a steel plate to attach
|to the sled We fire the steel plate sled at mach 2 Into the concrete
|block with the F1 between the sled and concrete block We fully
|pulverize and vaporize 99% of the F1 We gather all the pieces we can
|find And place them in a box and have Meclarian “ repair “ the F1 😈😈😈
|u/carlcjon - 9 hours
|
|LOW CREATIVITY IN COMMENTS SHOWS YOU OP REDDITORS ARE GETTING OLD NOW
|u/MyKidsArentOnReddit - 9 hours
|
|Meanwhile here at the other end of the spectrum I ran out of gas in my
|2006 Honda Odyssey and it was declared totalled.
|u/Labudism - 9 hours
|
|What's the worst state a vehicle has ever been rebuilt from? Burned out
|husk? Turned into a cube?
|u/Cake-Over - 8 hours
|
|Do they still require a 30 year old Compaq laptop for servicing?
|u/ayeno - 8 hours
|
|Yes they do
|u/EmperorThan - 8 hours
|
|Could McLaren make a car even an online streamer couldn't total?
|u/human-potato_hybrid - 7 hours
|
|All you need is a situation where it's obvious that the car is
|destroyed. I'm sure they will even make you a new VIN plate as part of
|their "repair" of an obliterated vehicle. Ferrari has been known to do
|this. Crashed ones that have split in half and burned to the ground, 2
|years later they are back on the road with the same VIN. Sort of an open
|secret that they just build a whole other car.
|u/VirtualAnteater2282 - 7 hours
|
|I saw one of these in queens NY about 3 years ago on the road. My wife
|couldn’t understand why I was so shocked.
|u/FSGMC - 5 hours
|
|GET THE LUDES
|u/Pgreenawalt - 3 hours
|
|What about a lightly water damaged P1?
|u/BakaDida - 3 hours
|
|No fucking shit. How young are people here? This has been true for 30+
|years…
|u/akiva23 - 1 hour
|
|Even if i spilled cola i the uhh..weird middle seat thingie. .?
|u/UninspiredDreamer - 1 hour
|
|So technically if the whole car fell into the sea, and flattened beyond
|all recognition, the repair costs will still "always be less than the
|value of the car", despite having to replace practically every single
|part?
|