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|u/GarysCrispLettuce - 19 hours
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|A much bigger problem for police in the UK in the 90's was the Ford
|Cosworth. Way more popular among car thieves than the infrequently-
|spotted Lotus. "Twocking" a "Cozzy" and joyriding it recklessly/ram
|raiding businesses was the #1 chav recreation of the decade.
|u/Mackem101 - 18 hours
|
|Northumbria police had a few Cozzies, at least one Escort variant was
|stolen, now that was a brazen 'twoc'.
|u/GarysCrispLettuce - 15 hours
|
|It was Northumbria police chasing a couple of twockers in a Cozzie
|that started the Meadowell riots in the early 90's. They wrapped it
|around a lamppost and got burned alive and the chav community went
|nuts...
|u/Donnermeat_and_chips - 14 hours
|
|North Shields, Meadowell, Percy Main...
|u/ballisticks - 13 hours
|
|It's a trip seeing my local shitholes mentioned on Reddit.
|u/GarysCrispLettuce - 11 hours
|
|Cowgate
|u/Jarramag - 12 hours
|
|were the fuck you think am going
|u/ProjectedEntity - 11 hours
|
|See me mum.
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 53 minutes
|
|The area of Sunderland I live in is a pain in the arse of
|residential streets with concrete bollards at the end as a
|legacy of the joy riding years and the council blocking off all
|of the "rat runs". To get to the main road from my house it's
|a 2 mile drive, in the 80s it would have been about 500m but all
|of those roads are blocked off
|u/rockne - 14 hours
|
|Simple as.
|u/Mackem101 - 2 hours
|
|Yep, it kicked off where I grew up over that too, despite the fact
|I lived about 12 miles south (Pennywell). Although parts of
|Pennywell was also proper rough, and just waiting for a reason to
|explode against the police. There was also a copper nearly killed
|when a brick was thrown through his window during a chase, luckily
|the road he was on led straight to Sunderland hospital, or else he
|probably would have died, just about every house with teenage lads
|got a visit after that.
|u/h9um8 - 18 hours
|
|Real. 40RA was prolific, but on the whole there just weren’t that many
|Lotus Carltons for OCG’s to steal, never mind use in ramraids
|Sapphire cossies on the other hand…
|u/Dalemaunder - 15 hours
|
|Similar problem with the Subaru WRX STI. Very popular for ram raiding
|and had an excellent track record for getting away. There's a pretty
|decent youtube video about the whole thing
|[here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqrm5GzyJq0). Edit: Wrong
|link.
|u/HalfBlindAndCurious - 18 hours
|
|Aye or modding an Astra or Nova. I'm too blind to drive but all my
|pals as a teenager were running around either in these things or
|stealing these things.
|u/meshan - 13 hours
|
|I had an Astra GTE
|u/Adthay - 15 hours
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|I would never be able to tell if someone was just making up British
|slang, it all sounds equally fake
|u/diego_simeone - 15 hours
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|Twocking - Taken WithOut Consent
|u/Vehlin - 3 hours
|
|Yup. They needed a law to cover joyriders because theft didn’t
|apply as there was no intent to permanently deprive the owner of
|the vehicle.
|u/APacketOfWildeBees - 48 minutes
|
|What a silly way to constitute the law of theft, would have been
|better to reform it than introduce a new specialised law I've
|always said.
|u/antmakka - 13 minutes
|
|Taking Without Owners Consent.
|u/guycg - 13 hours
|
|We like to assign cutesie names to things that are actually quite
|serious.
|u/MolemanusRex - 10 hours
|
|cozzie livs
|u/joec_95123 - 9 hours
|
|It’s all a bit of a muddle, innit? You’re not the only one who’s had
|their head done in; every time I hear british slang, I think it's
|some barmy trollied yob being tosh. A real dog's dinner, and it
|belongs in the bog.
|u/JLammert79 - 4 hours
|
|Say that again and they'll yeet you. You have no rizz /s I do see
|your point though.
|u/jonitfcfan - 13 hours
|
|Chav. Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time.
|u/kurruchi - 11 hours
|
|My dad used to have 2 cars he said were his favorite. The Pagani
|Zonda, and the Ford Cosworth. I can guess why the latter was up there
|lol
|u/Silverdarlin1 - 11 hours
|
|What didn't help the cause of the Cozzy was that it was rare,
|desirable, and very easy to steal
|u/BlowOnThatPie - 7 hours
|
|Wasn't every car before factory fitted immobilisers? I had a Mazda
|323 you could start the ignition with a table knife.
|u/PTSDaway - 33 minutes
|
|It is/was the most common right handed drive car in mainland europe
|after delivery trucks (news/mail/milk). No one in UK eventually wanted
|one as the insurance was scaled by product damage frequency -
|naturally it was fucking astronomical for the Sierra. A ton was sold
|to Scandinavia and Germany.
|u/JimPalamo - 19 hours
|
|This thing was a lunatic. A 4-door saloon that could match the
|performance of Ferraris of the time, for a fraction of the price I love
|it when otherwise mundane manufacturers like Vauxhall occasionally go
|bonkers and create something stupid like this.
|u/PoodleBeach - 19 hours
|
|When your car is so fast, the police just give up and start a new
|hobby.
|u/JimPalamo - 19 hours
|
|When your car is so fast the British government tries to ban it.
|u/Da_Osta - 15 hours
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|No, only rich people should be able to speed! - UK government
|u/Silent-Hornet-8606 - 11 hours
|
|This car was priced at 48,000 pounds - in 1990 that was a
|serious amount of money. The car didn't sell well because it
|was so expensive..
|u/Win_an_iPad - 9 hours
|
|Yep and at that time you could have bought a Ford RS200, or a
|small fleet of Metro 6R4's, for the same money. Either of
|which are worth orders of magnitude more today.
|u/muskag - 7 hours
|
|The "worth a magnitude more" might be because only 148
|RS200s were ever assembled.
|u/Win_an_iPad - 6 hours
|
|Yes but you could still buy one brand new from your local
|Ford dealer in 1990 for the same money as this. I believe
|the last RS200 sold new was in 1994.
|u/muskag - 6 hours
|
|There is currently 10,000 ford dealerships. Even if you
|cut that in half to account for 1990, the chances of
|your local dealership getting a 1990 RS200 are still
|slim to none.
|u/Win_an_iPad - 6 hours
|
|I thought we were talking about the UK, where the
|Lotus Carlton was sold? And obviously you would have
|to special order it.
|u/GolemancerVekk - 3 hours
|
|In case anybody's curious why, it's because the RS200 was
|actually meant to be a rally car, and regulations required
|200 kits to be manufactured and be ready to be sold to the
|public, and one road-worthy car to be assembled.
|Naturally, Ford took the opportunity you actually sell the
|car as well, but it wasn't a great car in the great scheme
|of things which is why they only sold so few. It was their
|first AWD car, it was too heavy for the engine but the
|engine also had crazy power so it was not a great
|combination. It never achieved great results in rally
|but was involved in a couple of gruesome accidents in the
|year it competed that actually led the entire Group B to
|be abolished.
|u/Box_Maze - 7 hours
|
|I'm not sure either is a fair comp, they only made about 200
|of those things each, and both stopped production years
|before the Carlton went on sale. Plus many of both of those
|cars were the 250hp versions which don't really compare as
|well.
|u/Win_an_iPad - 6 hours
|
|No those two Gr.B cars were still available to buy brand
|new from the dealership in 1990. They couldn't move them.
|So I'm just reinforcing that you would have to have been
|mad to buy a Lotus Carlton over what was available brand
|new at the same time for the same money.
|u/Box_Maze - 4 hours
|
|I believe those had to be the 250hp version as only 20
|of the 410hp version were made. They also cost 40k
|which makes it unsurprising they had trouble moving
|them, given the Lotus had much more power at 50k. I'd
|take the 410hp version over the Carlton though for sure.
|Per Wikipedia: The 6R4 appeared in two guises. There was
|a so-called Clubman model which was the road going
|version which developed in the region of 250 bhp (186
|kW), of which around 200 were made and sold to the
|public for £40,000 (the homologation version). A further
|20 were taken and built to International specifications
|which had a recorded output of over 410 bhp (306 kW; 416
|PS) edit: Any idea what the 410hp version cost?
|u/Win_an_iPad - 3 hours
|
|Yes for Gr.B Homologation they had to build 200 road
|legal cars. Of which the "EVO" models were converted
|for racing. Basically just engine mods were allowed,
|the rest of the car had to remain basically "stock".
|So converting from stock to EVO was trivial as it was
|only engine mods. Notably the Clubman 6R4's could be
|bought for only £14k in the late 80's. I'd rather have
|3 of those than a Carlton lol. The rumour is thats
|when Walkinshaw bought the remaining stocks of 6R4's
|for their engines, to use in the XJ220 development.
|u/intercontinentalbelt - 9 hours
|
|£115,330.61 in today's money or $145,616.41 US Dollars. Not
|cheap for most folks.
|u/Analysis-Klutzy - 11 hours
|
|Useful tool for crims to a degree
|u/Mimshot - 14 hours
|
|You can out run the police car but you can’t out run the radio.
|u/x31b - 13 hours
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|As the US police used to say “No one can outrun Motorola.”
|u/ngyeunjally - 12 hours
|
|I guess it’s used to because those mopar guys are doing it all
|the time now.
|u/K4NNW - 10 hours
|
|We would say GE. The Lynchburg bias was strong back in the day.
|u/sireatalot - 9 minutes
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|“It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar”
|u/Fish_Fellatio - 10 hours
|
|I always could if I wanted to. Would mean breaking a few federal
|laws in the process.
|u/wow_itsjustin - 12 hours
|
|Maybe that's why they wanted to ban it. At that speed, the only
|description the police will get is "black sedan"
|u/sideone - 4 hours
|
|"Black saloon doing 170mph" is going to narrow it down somewhat
|u/RO-HK - 13 hours
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|You can if you go fast enough
|u/HiveMindKing - 16 hours
|
|Harassing the elderly
|u/djshadesuk - 19 hours
|
|Trying to think of any other absolute mundane shit-boxes that were
|turned into lunatics. Not BMW or Mercedes, just common-or-garden
|brands that churned out something where you thought "What the F were
|they smoking?"
|u/JimPalamo - 19 hours
|
|My favourite one is when Renault made a Clio that had a big V6 where
|the rear seats should have been. VW did a similar thing where they
|put a W12 from a Bentley in the back of a Golf.
|u/therealhairykrishna - 18 hours
|
|That was the spiritual successor to the mid engined Renault 5
|Turbo which they basically only built to go rallying.
|u/Pan_Doktor - 18 hours
|
|Speaking of Renault, they also put a F1 engine into an Espace
|u/Smithy2997 - 13 hours
|
|Yeah but that was just a one off, the V6 Clio was a production
|car that you can see on the road if you're lucky.
|u/Rustrage - 13 hours
|
|Bizarrely the area I live in has probably just about every hot
|hatch imaginable.. including 2 V6 clios, a phase 1 and phase 2
|u/Smithy2997 - 13 hours
|
|Holy shit. I think I've seen a V6 on the road twice in my
|life. Though I have seen a couple of Renaultsport spyders
|(one several times since it lived just around the corner
|from me until the owner was inconsiderate enough to move)
|u/Rustrage - 12 hours
|
|Yeah I live in a smallish town but it seems to be a pretty
|cool spot for cars.. There's an RB5 Impreza knocking
|about, a couple i20N's (which I've never seen anywhere
|else) some Delta Integrates and it seems about 2/3 of the
|UKs supply of GR Yaris's.
|u/sideone - 3 hours
|
|There's a few for sale http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-
|details/202410185334494
|u/Smithy2997 - 3 hours
|
|Blimey, they were only £30k a few years ago
|u/Peterd1900 - 14 hours
|
|Thankfully someone didn't misread the brief. Otherwise we could
|have ended up with an Espace engine in a F1 car
|u/Pan_Doktor - 13 hours
|
|Judging by their lack of pace for most of this year, I think
|it ended up like that Tho they seem to be on the up,
|especially after that 2-3 in Brazil
|u/Megamoss - 11 hours
|
|Unfotunately it is their last gasp. Renault are pulling out
|of the sport at the end of 2025. Alpine, their own premier
|sporting brand, will also not be using Renault engines after
|the end of the season and will be using Mercedes engines
|instead. Renault really shit the bed in the hybrid engine
|era of F1, even though they were the most insistent on the
|formula. Hopefully Enstone can be bought up by an
|organisation that actually gives a damn.
|u/Pan_Doktor - 4 hours
|
|Knowing Renault, they'll be back for 2030
|u/Gr1mmage - 16 hours
|
|The ultimate insanely fast shitbox
|u/joecarter93 - 18 hours
|
|I think I remember the Golf on Top Gear/The Grand Tour. That thing
|was ridiculous.
|u/JimPalamo - 18 hours
|
|Yeah Clarkson tested it on Top Gear and found that it was pretty
|much undriveable
|u/quondam47 - 18 hours
|
|He described the brakes and suspension as [“not finished
|yet.”](https://youtu.be/X9TjPGY-38M?si=Q8oLsLZ8eAH8W11f)
|u/thecauseoftheproblem - 14 hours
|
|I had the slightly more sensible clio cup. Based off the normal
|clio 172 (which was a mad amount of hp for a tiny car), but then
|with any heavy stuff ripped out. No AC, no sound deadening. It
|even had thinner glass!
|u/speculatrix - 3 hours
|
|You can buy a Mazda MX-5/Miata with a V8, which seems crazy.
|6.3L and 525hp. https://youtu.be/8CdOlX1iq_0 I have the same
|model, 4th gen (ND), upgraded from 180 to 220 by BBR, and I
|almost never think it could do with more power, the idea of more
|than doubling it seems insane.
|u/dizzley - 13 hours
|
|I went to a rallycross event where someone had a brand new Clio
|V6. He ran it into a pothole in the gravel and I watched it
|athletically flip forward onto its roof.
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 1 hour
|
|Funny thing is, the V6 Clio (especially the phase 1) wasn't really
|that much faster than the Clio 172. More powerful and RWD, but
|much heavier (300kg). 6.2 sec Vs 6.7 to 60 and 146mph Vs 138mph
|top speed Beautiful cars though, especially the phase 2 in Liquid
|Yellow. If I had lottery money to buy a bunch of cars this would
|be high up on the list.
|u/aerfen - 18 hours
|
|My dad had a Ford Sierra Cosworth when I was young that was quite
|bonkers.
|u/Ohiolongboard - 14 hours
|
|Yes! Those cars where nuts. Either banned or just not available in
|the US
|u/I_probably_dont - 13 hours
|
|Merkur XR4Ti not the cosworth model but it did have the big
|turbo. They’re cheap when you find them. Idr the other merkur
|model
|u/pretendviperpilot - 13 hours
|
|Those were everywhere back in the days. I always thought they
|were so cool.
|u/ihateslowdrivers - 10 hours
|
|Nice try, Jim Rome
|u/DixonLyrax - 14 hours
|
|Faster around the Grand Tour Test Track than a Countache. My Dad
|had one too.
|u/doctor6 - 1 hour
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|Cozzeh
|u/ScissorNightRam - 16 hours
|
|Ford Australia and Holden allowed you to spec performance V8 engines
|in a base model. These were not the fairly well known HSV and FPV
|sports versions. Just humdrum fleet vehicles that could breathe
|fire. Here’s one: https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-10313860/motor-
|vehiclesmotor-cycles/2003-holden-vy-commodore-executive-v8-sedan
|u/pretendviperpilot - 13 hours
|
|That's awesome and a true sleeper with the 350.
|u/ScissorNightRam - 12 hours
|
|Right?! Everything is base except the engine and exhaust. Tyres,
|brakes and suspension are all base. And yet it has a 50%+ boost
|to hp and torque, while still being the lightest of the breed
|(because it has no extra equipment). It goes to another level
|too. Almost all commodores were automatic, but you could always
|option a manual. But it was rare on the base ones. Yet, there’s
|a handful of base Commodores with the LS1 and the manual box.
|u/AnonymousEngineer_ - 12 hours
|
|I'm pretty sure that base-spec V8 engined production options
|existed purely to supply vehicles to the Highway Patrol, but
|it was open to anyone else who wanted one (e.g. as a tow car).
|u/ScissorNightRam - 12 hours
|
|Could be. Could very well be. The highway vehicles seemed to
|get suspension and brake upgrades too. So maybe the “cop
|spec” was a bundle of options and regular joes could pick
|and choose - if they had an indulgent dealer. I’ve seen a
|few base model Falcons around too with the 5.4 V8. But I
|don’t know much about them.
|u/hellcat_uk - 15 hours
|
|Lancia Thema 8.32. A very 'of the time' boxy dull 80s saloon, with
|a genuine Ferrari V8 in the front.
|u/Visible-Disaster - 8 hours
|
|A Ferrari V8 in front wheel drive. 🤮 Of all the cars on that
|platform, I think the 164 is the best choice.
|u/SurealGod - 14 hours
|
|GMC's 1991 Syclone and Typhoon came to my mind. They could do 13
|second quarter miles and they were beating nearly everything at the
|time for a mere $25k. They had a turbocharged 4.3L V6 that made
|280HP and 350Ft/lb of torque, they were AWD, had low gearing for
|quick launches and only weighed 3600Lbs and this was all STOCK from
|the factory.
|u/old_righty - 16 hours
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|Buick Grand National.
|u/Fishyback - 15 hours
|
|Have a neighbor with one. It always makes me smile to see it go
|by. A few houses down a guy has the ctsV-wagon which is one of my
|favorite "sleepers" car people know but your average person in
|their mustangs and shit have no idea that lady driving her kids in
|a station wagon can blow their doors off.
|u/MentokGL - 15 hours
|
|Best American car of the 80s aside from the viper
|u/fantasmoofrcc - 15 hours
|
|1991 feels like the 80s, close enough :)
|u/MentokGL - 13 hours
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|That's how damn cool the GN is
|u/Mackem101 - 19 hours
|
|Renault 5 turbo, and the Metro 6R4 come straight to mind.
|u/Rustrage - 13 hours
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|The Metro 6R4 was just insanity
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 18 hours
|
|The Charger/Challenger Hellcat is a recent example imo. Even in
|2015, the LX platform was aging pretty badly. Instead of fixing its
|glaring issues, they just threw power at the problem and it worked!
|No one cares if a muscle car handles like a boat if it makes 700hp.
|u/VitaminDprived - 13 hours
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|"She's built like a steakhouse but handles like a bistro!"
|u/Eokokok - 15 hours
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|Most people care, but the US still thinks that acceleration to 60
|is what make cars fun...
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 15 hours
|
|Probably why it only sold well in the U.S. and Canada. If all
|you're surrounded by are 4 lane stroads and empty 75mph
|highways, a handling focused car seems kinda silly. There's
|nowhere to actually enjoy it.
|u/Ohiolongboard - 14 hours
|
|Oh I can assure you there are more roads in the US that would
|be perfect to test the handling of a good car than there are
|in the entirety of the UK. The real reason is the history of
|muscle cars and drag racing. That’s the basis of the street
|scene here. Look up “tail of the dragon” it’s a road that
|people travel 1000+ miles just to test their skills.
|Maintenance aside there are tons of roads just like that in
|that state alone, never mind out west in california.
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 14 hours
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|I'm aware that there's lots of good roads in the U.S., it's
|just that places like Houston exist lol
|u/Ohiolongboard - 13 hours
|
|Two things can be true at once, the existence of one thing
|doesn’t nullify the other? I’m confused by your reasoning…
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 13 hours
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|That's not what I'm trying to insinuate.
|u/Rover45Driver - 16 hours
|
|Not on the scale of the Carlton but the MG ZT V8 might be half way
|there.
|u/HoveringPorridge - 16 hours
|
|The supercharged ones would fit the bill, but they only made two
|before Rover went under. Around 400bhp from memory, Roush tuned
|Ford modular in the front! The standard ones are still a lot of
|fun though, great for drifting. I really miss MG and Rover, they
|made some really cool cars.
|u/illogict - 6 hours
|
|The land speed record for non-production tourers (estate/station
|wagons) is still held by the MG ZT-T.
|u/illogict - 6 hours
|
|The land speed record for non-production tourers (estate/station
|wagons) is still held by the MG ZT-T.
|u/Bumblemeister - 15 hours
|
|Late 90s / early 2000s Ford Taurus SHO. IIRC, it was a ridiculously
|twin-turbo'd Japanese engine (Mitsubishi?) in a sleeper sedan. Edit:
|Looked it up. Yamaha V6, naturally aspirated. I think I got some
|wires crossed with the Dodge Stealth / Mitsubishi 3000GT.
|u/iexiak - 15 hours
|
|Later model Taurus sho is a twin turbo V6 and it's pretty great
|u/Bumblemeister - 14 hours
|
|There it is.
|u/ahorrribledrummer - 10 hours
|
|Late 90s oval Taurus actually had a small V8, still FWD. Weird
|car.
|u/usm_teufelhund - 12 hours
|
|Good 'ol Taurus SHO. Where Ford took a 4-door sedan, and had Yamaha
|build it a 3.0V6. Then a couple generations later put in a 3.4V8. Of
|course the most modern version got a little more sensible with AWD
|3.5TTV6.
|u/cat_prophecy - 18 hours
|
| Chevy Cobalt SS, Saturn ION come to mind.
|u/Turmfalke_ - 18 hours
|
|[From the German youtube
|corner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiuLvLobAs4)
|u/renatoram - 13 hours
|
|I think the Skoda Octavia VRS qualifies... Take a very sensible
|estate/wagon, make it aggressive and with a 261bhp turbo engine (a
|sedan version exists, in some markets: here it's basically non
|existent). I routinely see them used to drive kids to school or to
|shop for groceries, around here (Switzerland).
|u/rayalix - 9 hours
|
|The Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9 was a flying machine. A friend in the motor
|trade once told me that 60 percent of them were written off in
|accidents.
|u/IphoneMiniUser - 18 hours
|
|Even though it wasn’t built by Ford, the Shogun was pretty insane.
|https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a1844816/jay-leno-shows-his-sho-
|powered-ford-festiva/
|u/pinerw - 17 hours
|
|The Kia Stinger comes to mind. Not that its performance ceiling is
|all that high in the grand scheme, but it was a *Kia* you could
|legitimately cross-shop with an Audi A5 Sportback.
|u/ufotheater - 17 hours
|
|LOL "mundane shit-box" is so accurate
|u/halfpipesaur - 15 hours
|
|The only current car that would fit this description would be the GR
|Yaris, I guess For the past cars I'd definitely say: VW Passat W8,
|the twin engined first-gen A-class AMG (unfortunatelly didn't make
|it into production), Lancia Thema 8.32
|u/Megamoss - 11 hours
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|There's also a new Skoda Superb estate that has 447hp.
|u/RocketTaco - 9 hours
|
|I was going to say the GR Yaris. It's not as disproportionately
|fast as the Lotus Carlton, but it's an even more comically
|inappropriate starting point for a serious racing car. It's hard
|to imagine a more "an car" than a Yaris - remember [these sidebar
|ads](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsbap3M
|1FCnvzo03wh_jO53hvdUwzmob56kdsvv_6kYWiEwqDhXwWfL_gS-
|xqXUK7xLRQ&usqp=CAU) from years ago? They went that tack because
|there's literally no other way to market a Yaris than "buy it
|because you need transportation".
|u/Cicero912 - 15 hours
|
|The Mondeo? Ford basically used high performance saloon cars to
|market the normal line since the Cortina
|u/suverz - 14 hours
|
|Nissan Pulsar GTI-R, Toyota Starlet Glanza Turbo 4x4. Both highly
|tunable four wheel drive beasts in the 90s. Also the Vauxhall
|Calibra Turbo 4x4. Very fast car when it wasn’t broken.
|u/IamUzziel - 14 hours
|
|They didn't make a 4x4 Glanza, only a normal starlet without a
|turbo :(
|u/TheKingMonkey - 15 hours
|
|Ford Sierra. They decided to make it into [an absolute
|monster](https://youtu.be/srZrC98E0W4?si=kij_qq6hJXOWvaVb).
|u/pretendviperpilot - 13 hours
|
|Oh man there's a few. The 90s Taurus SHO, Renault 5 Turbo, Dodge
|Neon SRT4 JCW Mini, etc. Dodge does a lot of this now with things
|like the 392 Rubicon. If you like Mopar or not, you have to admit
|they aren't afraid to be wacky.
|u/TheCarm - 13 hours
|
|Ford cosworth?
|u/RikF - 7 hours
|
|There was a murder case I remember from way back where (memory not
|perfect, so don’t quote me) a woman killed her (husband?
|boyfriend?) but claimed they had been chased down by another
|driver who killed him. Problem was they were in a Sierra Cosworth,
|so right away the police were… mildly suspicious of her story!
|u/FiddlerOnThePotato - 11 hours
|
|GMC Syclone/Typhoon comes to mind. A regular old Chevy S10 or Blazer
|with a turbo 3800, AWD, and a nice and slippy automatic so the revs
|can stay up and keep the turbo in boost.
|u/AlwaysBagHolding - 8 hours
|
|Turbo 4.3, not 3800.
|u/FiddlerOnThePotato - 8 hours
|
|Oh shit that's right. Honestly that's even more interesting.
|u/Hirsuitism - 9 hours
|
|Juke R
|u/turtlerunner99 - 9 hours
|
|MGC?
|u/CapitalElk1169 - 1 hour
|
|Dodge Omni GLHS definitely fits that bill haha
|u/CanadianDragonGuy - 18 hours
|
|337Speed has a few vids on cars like that, fucking bonkers the shit
|car manufacturers can do when you give the engineers too much coffee
|u/tmiwi - 14 hours
|
|Rover had a few, the 620 ti, the 420 turbo, and the 220 coupe and
|GTi all had top speeds in the 140s I think
|u/brnr918273 - 14 hours
|
|Dodge Omni GLHS has to be included in the list
|u/prancing_moose - 14 hours
|
|The Audi RS2 Avant was a bit like that. In the early 1990s, the
|Audi brand didn't have the same luxury and sportive automotive image
|as it does today. Of course there was the legendary Group B Audi
|Quattro, but Group B was banned in 1986, and by the 1990s, Audi
|generally wasn't associated with performance cars. Until the RS2
|Avant arrived on the scene. Maybe 315 HP AWD doesn't seem like
|something special nowadays, but back in 1994, even a 100 HP was
|considered pretty nippy. Remember that in those days the Golf III
|GTI only produced 116 HP, with the 16V GTI being considered very
|fast at 150 HP and the 2.9 VR6 was the ultimate unicorn at a
|whopping 189 HP.
|u/Piltonbadger - 19 hours
|
|It was technically a Lotus car, as they took stock Carltons and
|upgraded them into a sports sedan. These things could shift and
|were a blast to drive. Not that I ever owned but, but got to drive
|one!
|u/JimPalamo - 19 hours
|
|Only 950 ever built. Bet they're worth a fortune now.
|u/stupre1972 - 18 hours
|
|£60-80k They come up at auction occasionally
|u/Stonefly_C - 14 hours
|
|The last f couple I've seen were up for (doesn't mean sold for)
|£100k+
|u/Beefstah - 11 hours
|
|I had a chance to buy one at auction about 15 years ago, with an
|expected sell price of £15k. I'd always wanted one, and heck,
|even the missus was kinda onboard with the idea I always
|slightly regret not going for it. It'd have to have competed for
|driveway space and budget with the Supras, and I was concerned
|about parts availability...but damn, I'm sure we could have made
|it work
|u/PyroTech11 - 15 hours
|
|I saw one parked in a Tesco near me. I thought it was really cool
|to see one. Didn't realise how rare it was
|u/SkrakOne - 3 hours
|
|This is ooel omega uk version, right? Looks like the b model omega I
|think
|u/SommWineGuy - 15 hours
|
|But Vauxhall didn't go bonkers though, right? They made a boring
|sedan and Lotus did "hold my tea" and modified it.
|u/GhandiHadAGrapeHead - 14 hours
|
|This is a lotus though who make sports cars
|u/Peterd1900 - 14 hours
|
|Lotus who took a Vauxhall Carlton and modified it Vauxhall and
|Lotus collaborated to turn the standard Vauxhall Carlton into the
|Lotus Carlton The car wouldnt have existed without Lotus but it
|also wouldnt have existed without Vauxhall The official name of the
|car is the Vauxhall Lotus Carlton
|u/IFLCivicEngagement - 18 hours
|
|I know people in Mississippi might disagree, but drinking and driving
|is unwise, and a 4-door saloon is just outright.
|u/schmyle85 - 18 hours
|
|90s Chevy Impala SS. Basically a Caprice with a LT1 Vette engine
|u/TJtheBoomkin - 18 hours
|
|These two cars are not even on the same playing field to be
|compared.
|u/T-Bills - 9 hours
|
|It's like that time when Chevy put a V8 in the Cavalier and called it
|a GTO /s clearly
|u/cocoagiant - 8 hours
|
|Lotus is a pretty niche automaker though, so I would think that the
|number of these that were out there was fairly low.
|u/A_Queer_Owl - 7 hours
|
|see also the Buick GNX. a two door luxury coupe with a twin turbo V6
|tuned by McLaren (not that McLaren, a different McLaren that just also
|happened to do performance tuning) that was the fastest production
|vehicle in the world in 1987.
|u/salizarn - 4 hours
|
|There were a few around that time. Combination of lightweight General
|Motors frames and smaller engines. No Ferrari but I had a Vauxhall
|Nova in the early 90s that was pretty nimble.
|u/VikingBorealis - 3 hours
|
|Mundane car manufacturers... Lotus... Ummm...
|u/jesonnier1 - 2 hours
|
|Vauxhall didn't make it. Lotus took the vehicle and modded it.
|u/Astrium6 - 14 hours
|
|>4-door saloon New term for drunk driving?
|u/Peterd1900 - 13 hours
|
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedan\_(automobile)
|u/Astrium6 - 13 hours
|
|Huh, I figured it was just a silly typo. Didn’t realize the Brits
|actually call sedans saloons for some reason.
|u/Happy-Engineer - 12 hours
|
|TIL Americans call saloons sedans for some reason :) Just wait
|till you hear about estates and hatchbacks.
|u/Actual-Money7868 - 5 hours
|
|I only know about the word sedan because of Simpsons hit and
|run.
|u/HalJordan2424 - 18 hours
|
|Lotus strategically put up a billboard showing their newest sports car
|in the mid 70s right outside the window of the James Bond producer
|Albert Broccoli. Sure enough, that’s the car that was used in The Spy
|Who Loved Me.
|u/Boggie135 - 17 hours
|
|The Esprit?
|u/HalJordan2424 - 14 hours
|
|Yes.
|u/raspberryharbour - 13 hours
|
|Just don't try and copy the one in the film, or you may get wet
|u/Pootle001 - 13 hours
|
|IIRC they parked the actual car outside.
|u/Rd6-vt - 13 hours
|
|that’s how I heard this story too, Lotus went to the director to ask
|if they wanted to have their new road car in the movie and the
|director said no. So Lotus parked a brand new Esprit eithout badges
|or Logos outside the directors house for 2 weeks and after that the
|director was asking everybody if they knew what car that was
|u/RhetoricalOrator - 8 hours
|
|I would be asking around, too, if there was a completely blacked
|out car parked near my home. That's how you get on Unsolved
|Mysteries.
|u/Rd6-vt - 5 hours
|
|if I recall, it was white
|u/sami2503 - 8 hours
|
|That's like some Derren Brown shit, fair play.
|u/Boggie135 - 17 hours
|
|Lotus should let the engineers loose again
|u/SirNurtle - 13 hours
|
|I am absolutely convinced that the HR at Lotus has banned its
|engineers from doing LSD because the shit they cooked in the 60s was
|batshit insane, like: You need an F1 car? Cool, here's this super
|fragile frame that will shatter at the slightest breeze of wind, 2
|engines stakced atop each other that are so overcomplicated not even
|the people who built it know how it works yet it somehow pumps out
|over 450HP, it breaks down 90% of the time for no reason, the gearbox
|has a tendency to somehow fall out and there's a chance that the fuel
|injection system will fail meaning if you corner to hard the G forces
|will cause a catastrophic explosion. **Fun**
|u/dalenacio - 13 hours
|
|When you let a coder design a car.
|u/lzcrc - 13 hours
|
|Just make sure to put Jim Clark or Jochen Rindt in it.
|u/therealhairykrishna - 18 hours
|
|Relevant video; https://youtu.be/6yptiCYBSZo?si=eoURWJkCJxcEtHMk
|Attempted police stop...
|u/Barbarian_818 - 14 hours
|
|I remember the fuss at the time about "super saloons". US cops in some
|states are dealing with the same problem today with Dodge Hellcats.
|And the problem isn't that they can outrun police cruisers. You can't
|outrun a radio after all. The problem is that the basic body is so
|common that if you lose sight of the speeder and then intercept him with
|another cruiser, it can be tough to prove in court that they are the
|same car. There are probably hundreds of late model Dodge Challengers in
|LA. On the other hand, some idiot driving super fast in an exotic
|supercar is almost certainly the only instance of that model the cops
|will see that week. And they are produced in such low numbers that just
|sending cops to the registered address is feasible. There might be only
|100 examples in the entire world. A green Ferrari Modena? There might
|only be one ever made or only one ever registered in your state.
|u/IvyImpulse54 - 19 hours
|
|just let the engineers go bonkers again.
|u/Megamoss - 11 hours
|
|I mean, have you seen the power figures that are bouncing around in
|the super/hyper car bracket at the moment? It's absolutely insane.
|Along with that you have active suspensions, active aerodynamics, full
|carbon fibre tubs and enough technology to make NASA blush. Even at
|the lower/medium end of the market you have crazy power and
|performance figures compared to a decade or so ago. Not to mention
|the insane performance and efficiency of electric drivetrains.
|u/RikF - 7 hours
|
|You can buy a golf that will do 0-60 in under 4.5 seconds stock, and
|sub 4 with just a stage 1 tune. Absolutely bonkers.
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 1 hour
|
|The R is listed at 4.7, but bone stock they're closer to 4.0. [Car
|Wow did a 4.03 0-60 and a 12.4
|1/4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9LEro19Ues&t=597s). 320hp
|and 420Nm of torque. I have one, it's mildly terrifying at times
|because I have absolutely no idea where the limit is with it.
|Even with traction/stability control off the AWD and torque
|vectoring keep it pointed where you tell it.
|u/Techrocket9 - 10 hours
|
|Lucid Sapphire has entered the chat.
|u/Kenny_log_n_s - 16 hours
|
|Why though? Max road speeds are 130kph. Why do cars need to be about
|to go 250kph?
|u/ElSapio - 15 hours
|
|It’s very cool
|u/BrandoSandoFanTho - 14 hours
|
|Shhhhh let people enjoy things that don't affect you
|u/Kenny_log_n_s - 10 hours
|
|Oops, except reckless people in fast cars directly endanger my
|life and the lives of those I love
|u/BrandoSandoFanTho - 9 hours
|
|Womp womp skill issue
|u/moonLanding123 - 8 hours
|
|guy can't even double jump.
|u/BrandoSandoFanTho - 8 hours
|
|Literally just has to get the Morph Ball then go to the
|Alcove to get the Space Jump Boots on Tallon Overworld. Ffs.
|u/BRMacho - 15 hours
|
|Because redlining for 5 hours on a roadtrip is awful to an engine's
|durability. Vehicles need to be faster than the speed limit.
|u/Skog13 - 11 hours
|
|There are other ways to limit speed than using a weak engine. FYI.
|u/AgrajagTheProlonged - 15 hours
|
|Because it can
|u/what_if_you_like - 12 hours
|
|vroom vroom
|u/Chicago1871 - 10 hours
|
|Tracks exist
|u/affordableproctology - 18 hours
|
|We have cars like the model S plaid. Even the model 3 is pretty nutty
|u/Rustrage - 12 hours
|
|The entire Tesla range is just so dull to look at though. It's like
|they designed the model S and then loaded it into paint and just
|used the little sliders to squish it and stretch it to design each
|model.
|u/affordableproctology - 12 hours
|
|Elon bad is strong on reddit. The model S is a good looking car,
|extremely heavy because it's electric but still fast and it is a 4
|door 5 seat comfortable sedan mind you.
|u/Rustrage - 12 hours
|
|Elon is a massive cockwomble, but not why I dislike Tesla's.. I
|just think they're dull, although it's not my cup of tea I will
|say the S is by far the best looking. But naturally they don't
|sell them here anymore anyway, so we're plagued with a million
|model 3s which are all the exact same colour and spec.
|u/Beefstah - 11 hours
|
|Clarkson summed it up: they're appliances. Very fast,
|capable appliances. But still appliances.
|u/Eokokok - 15 hours
|
|No, they are not. Both handle like a garbage truck. You can somehow
|overcome weight issue with clever (expensive) suspension. Tesla
|though has garbage suspension even in terms of normal daily car.
|u/StevenMcStevensen - 12 hours
|
|Electric cars may be able to get impressive numbers, but for the
|most part they’re just boring cars for people who want an appliance
|to take them to work. And almost all of them look like ugly
|jellybean blobs.
|u/Megamoss - 11 hours
|
|Disagree. Take a deeper dive in to the physics and engineering of
|the batteries and motors. Just as much depth and intrigue as
|combustion.
|u/lad_astro - 17 hours
|
|40 RA
|u/Shabingly - 14 hours
|
|Came to say this 😂
|u/bucket_of_frogs - 8 hours
|
|[40 RA is currently assigned to another green Lotus
|Carlton](https://www.check-
|mot.service.gov.uk/results?registration=40ra&checkRecalls=true)
|u/crucible - 15 hours
|
|The British comedian Jasper Carrott had a joke about the car: “Vauxhall
|have launched a four-door family car that can do 170 mph. Who’s the
|family? Fittipaldi?!”
|u/PapaGuhl - 14 hours
|
|Unless you’re British, have a passing interest in F1 and are at least
|40, 99% of the world won’t understand that joke. (I do).
|u/DickRiculous - 13 hours
|
|Thanks for granting the necessary context
|u/RikF - 7 hours
|
|I remember another of his about driving with his mother-in-law at 70
|and being passed by a 911 doing 140. “He won’t get there any faster!”
|Yes he will you daft bat. He’s going twice as fast as us! Somewhere
|back at my Dad’s place in England I have a couple of his books. Must
|dig them out next time I visit.
|u/Angry__Marmot - 10 hours
|
|There is a famous video in sweden featuring a Lotus Omega and a Police
|car. I believe the Police car is a SAAB 9000 Turbo with 200+ hp. A fast
|car of it's day but it doesn't stand a chance.
|https://youtu.be/6yptiCYBSZo?si=Bn2jLePhYwTA-cIN
|u/SmallRocks - 16 hours
|
|Even if police vehicles could have matched or exceeded that speed, what
|the hell were they going to do about it? Perform a pit maneuver, killing
|everyone involved and likely some bystanders?
|u/d4nfe - 16 hours
|
|Pit manoeuvre isn’t routinely used in the UK, where this car was sold.
|Even pursuit policy was completely different in the 1990s. Today,
|there are plenty of tactics available to the Police that don’t involve
|pit manoeuvres. The blame when someone comes to harm, usually lies
|with the person failing to stop.
|u/SmallRocks - 16 hours
|
|That still doesn’t answer the question.
|u/L1A1 - 15 hours
|
|Eventually most escaping criminals will bottle it or make a
|mistake, the idea is to be able to follow them and catch them when
|they bail if they’re unable to use a stinger or do a rolling
|roadblock.
|u/Nooms88 - 14 hours
|
|If the driving is so reckless that it endagers lives, the police
|will pull back any kind of pursuit and station vehicles at likely
|exit points of the road to monitor it's position, along side high
|priority lvid cctv feeds, they will call in a helicopter where
|available The idea being that the driver will likely slow down
|when not being overtly followed whcih is safer for the general
|public. You're right, the police won't engage in high speed
|pursuits thst are too dangerous. They'll wait for the suspect to
|get to where he's going and then pounce. In emergency situations
|they will close off forward roads where possible to perform slow
|down box maneuvers, get vehicles in front and force them to a stop
|u/d4nfe - 16 hours
|
|Rolling road block, bring the speed down, then stinger or a box.
|At 175mph, there aren’t many options. There are plenty when you
|bring the speed down.
|u/cpufreak101 - 15 hours
|
|Arkansas State Police: "yes"
|u/BlowOnThatPie - 7 hours
|
|LOL. The Lotus Carlton looks like a Chav Holden Commodore SS.
|u/Thanks_Obama - 1 hour
|
|They’re the same platform.
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 1 hour
|
|That's because they're vaguely related. Built on the [same platform as
|the latter Commodore
|SS](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_V_platform_\(RWD\))
|All owned by GM.
|u/Clear_Runway - 18 hours
|
|smells like bitch in here
|u/Helmett-13 - 14 hours
|
|NASCAR comes to England: *A West Midlands Police officer said, “We
|simply haven’t been able to get near the thing and it looks unlikely
|that we ever will”, as their police cars were incapable of safely
|pursuing the stolen Lotus Carlton.* The fact they stole booze along
|their plunder makes it even more appropriate.
|u/alexjav21 - 15 hours
|
|Just buy ferraris for the police like dubai
|u/Captain_English - 15 hours
|
|Someone with their finger on the pulse of the UK economy
|u/cool_slowbro - 10 hours
|
|> Nobody buying this car could possibly argue he either needs or will be
|able to use a top whack which is claimed to be around 180 mph Can say
|that about every street car, lol.
|u/madsci - 13 hours
|
|Where the hell in England can you go 176 MPH for more than a few miles
|at a time?
|u/Beefstah - 11 hours
|
|From my experience: The M20, especially down Wrotham Hill. The M1,
|although it needs to be empty. I 'made progress' during the England-
|Germany game England won 5-1. Had the radio on listening, and did
|Dartford to Billing Aquadrome during the first half, with the ref
|blowing the whistle as I rolled up to the gate. Core memory that. The
|M26 now and then. Hard to count this one as it's only 3 inches long,
|but you could extend to/from the M20/M25 on occasion. The M55. For
|best results do it late at night in the middle of a week in a TVR, but
|they didn't give too much of a shit regardless provided you played
|fair and gave due respect by slowing below triple digits if you saw
|them on a bridge and for junctions. M40. Nuff said. The A1(M). A
|mate regularly did Southend to Newcastle, and typically in 3-4 hours.
|Oh, and most importantly - do all of this in the late 90's/early
|2000's. Wouldn't recommend trying it today.
|u/CartersXRd - 19 hours
|
|I appreciate the charm and wolf-in-sheep's-clothing aspect, but, lord,
|is it the ugliest Lotus ever?
|u/Team_Ed - 18 hours
|
|Your taste is your taste. I love the look of that thing.
|u/CartersXRd - 17 hours
|
|AGREED! Go for it, Bro!!
|u/JimPalamo - 19 hours
|
|[Nah](https://www.uksportscars.com/wp-
|content/uploads/2021/12/IMG_6867-1536x1022.jpg)
|u/CartersXRd - 18 hours
|
|looks like a Mustang
|u/Miss_Speller - 18 hours
|
|Looks like a [Lotus Europa
|Twincam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Europa) - they were
|definitely odd-looking, but they were great little mid-engine
|sports cars.
|u/CartersXRd - 17 hours
|
|That was my love/hate car - '71 Europa.
|u/Thekingoflowders - 18 hours
|
|Looks like a mustang mixed with one of those casket carrying cars
|used for funerals
|u/pichael289 - 14 hours
|
|Those are called a hearse. The shitty dishonest rich part of my
|family owns a bunch of funeral homes and were bitching about the
|cost of hearses going up because the goths/wiccans or whatever
|you call them were buying them up. Funeral home owners are
|typically really scummy and in my personal experience tend to
|die from covid more frequently because they took medical advice
|from Tucker Carlson.
|u/roguespectre67 - 15 hours
|
|It’s an early-90s hot sedan dude, I dunno what you want. Doesn’t look
|that far off a 190E, and those are sick.
|u/Solid_Bake4577 - 4 hours
|
|It’s not a Lotus - it’s a Vauxhall. Lotus messed with the oily bits
|to make it go fast. I had the big brother to this about 25 years ago,
|which was the Vauxhall Senator. It has the same stock Vauxhall 3.0
|straight six, 24-valve pushing out about 220 hp. It was quick in
|standard form - a lot of fun. Huge inside - like a 150mph gentlemen’s
|club!
|u/WasterDave - 16 hours
|
|Lotus made some fugly cars. Everything made in the 70’s was worse than
|this.
|u/Tobias---Funke - 15 hours
|
|My local drug dealer had one.
|u/AlDente - 12 hours
|
|Ah I’d forgotten about this craziness
|u/CausticThoughts - 9 hours
|
|Wonder how many Carlton’s have survived to this day.
|u/Djinjja-Ninja - 1 hour
|
|[60 left on the road](https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/vauxhall_l
|otus_carlton_turbo) 123 in garages in various states of disrepair.
|Out of 223 originally registered.
|u/bigbangbilly - 8 hours
|
|Reminds me of the reputation the Ford Bronco have in the states
|u/MidnightNo1766 - 6 hours
|
|Ok, so they couldn't catch it. But let's be real, they wouldn't be that
|hard to find.
|u/heisdeadjim_au - 4 hours
|
|Exactly 💯
|u/TheCatWasAsking - 5 hours
|
|>a Lotus Carlton registered "40 RA" was reported stolen Trying to
|google images of this car, I came across this: [Exclusive Interview With
|The Owner Of The Original Lotus Carlton
|40RA!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMolhAxm06w) r/mildlyinteresting
|u/Qontherecord - 3 hours
|
|so the british police didnt understand how their police radios worked?
|u/sjw_7 - 34 minutes
|
|My local Vauxhall dealership had one of these. It wasn't for sale but
|was kept in the show room. It was a hell of a bit of kit. It had the
|widest rear wheels I had ever seen. I used to look round it fairly
|regularly when my piece of crap 1.6l mk2 Astra was in there for yet
|another thing being repaired.
|u/squigs - 15 hours
|
|They don't really need to though. The police can radio to another force
|if and head them off further up the road if they must.
|u/ThugLy101 - 15 hours
|
|32 ish years ago not so much
|u/squigs - 15 hours
|
|They had radios by then. I think they've had radios in cars since
|the 1960s.
|u/Peterd1900 - 15 hours
|
|Before that Police had radios in cars from about 1934. it was the
|1960s when they started using personal hand held two-way radios.
|u/inaccurateTempedesc - 14 hours
|
|If you aren't a panicked idiot like a lot of criminals are, it's not
|that impossible to outrun the radios.
|u/BlowOnThatPie - 7 hours
|
|Yeah, I've watched Drive and am ready to slip the cops.
|u/Asleep_Management900 - 19 hours
|
|So if they can't win, they just cheat? Seems about right.
|u/Thewalrus515 - 18 hours
|
|Yeah, they’re cops. What did you expect?
|u/ProperPerspective571 - 18 hours
|
|Looks like they mixed an old BMW and a Mustang from the 80’s
|u/x3nopon - 17 hours
|
|It's a tiny island. Where would they drive away to.
|u/lad_astro - 17 hours
|
|It's the largest European island and the ninth-largest in the world,
|it's not exactly like people are just doing laps of it when they've
|got a bit of time to kill 🤣
|u/Boggie135 - 17 hours
|
|Its not 2 miles wide
|u/WasterDave - 16 hours
|
|It’s still longer than a tank of petrol. Not wider though :)
|u/Nooms88 - 14 hours
|
|Na you're actually correct, when someone is driving too erratically to
|safely chase a heli is called in and you wait for them to get where
|they're going. The UK is very densely populated, they can't hide out
|in a desert 200 miles from civilisation
|u/dhuntergeo - 16 hours
|
|Aww, ease up with the downvotes. This is funny Yes, I'm an American.
|Was there on my honeymoon My wife and I still laugh about the couple
|in the pub just outside of London where we stopped for lunch who
|expressed surprise that we had a B&B booked for the night in
|Wales..."that's almost 3 hours driving" We stopped at Stonehenge for
|two hours and still made it to the B&B around 6 pm We had a shit box
|Vauxhall that I ran the hell out of all over that tiny island
|u/cpufreak101 - 15 hours
|
|If the Hellcat sold in the UK, I guarantee exactly this would happen
|again. Edit: why the hell the downvoted, is my point not true?
|u/Stonefly_C - 14 hours
|
|The roads aren't wide enough
|u/PapaGuhl - 14 hours
|
|We also have these pesky things called ‘corners’ in the UK.
|u/Stonefly_C - 14 hours
|
|Is that fun but in an incorrectly typed way? 'Corners' indeed...
|u/DeviousMelons - 14 hours
|
|Petrol too pricey.
|u/Stonefly_C - 14 hours
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|It's what the UK is used to
|u/The_SaintXVI - 12 hours
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|They are sold over here we just don't drive them
|u/madrussianx - 9 hours
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|According to the wiki it was basically the Hellcat of it's day
|u/HolySmokesItsHim - 8 hours
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|GNX enters the chat.
|u/cata2k - 14 hours
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|Imagine doing 176 mph in a British car
|u/Redsetter - 14 hours
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|Like a McLaren?
|u/Best-Dragonfly - 13 hours
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|Is the idea of a Aston Martin/Bentley/Rolls
|Royce/McLaren/Noble/Jaguar/Radical/TVR/Ultima/Lotus really that
|abstract to you?
|u/Houseofsun5 - 12 hours
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|Wait till they find out where most F1 teams are located and cars are
|built.
|u/Nimmy_the_Jim - 15 hours
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|Looks like a pos
|u/redpat2061 - 18 hours
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|In America we had helicopters
|u/mybeatsarebollocks - 18 hours
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|Well, thats nice, but totally irrelevant.
|u/Boggie135 - 17 hours
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|Okay. And?
|u/d4nfe - 13 hours
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|We had Police airships in the 1920s, and autogyros in the 30s.
|u/redpat2061 - 13 hours
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|But then you stopped being cool
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