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|u/RebeccaBlue - 15 hours
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|Should read "rice quality \*will\* decline as climate change goes
|unchecked", because no one with any real power is ever going to take it
|seriously. (at least in the US)
|u/FireMaster1294 - 10 hours
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|Bold of you to think the US is gonna be the only issue here. China and
|India give *zero* fucks about the world and have over a quarter of the
|global population. So…yeah…
|u/optiplex9000 - 9 hours
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|Since we currently live in bizarro world, China is looking like it
|might be the next leader in the flight against climate change
|https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/14/trump-might-cede-climate-leadership-
|to-china-.html
|u/JMEEKER86 - 7 hours
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|Yeah, China went hard on coal in order to industrialize as quickly
|as possible, but since becoming industrialized they have been
|making a hard push for better solar and battery technology.
|They're positioned to make some big changes as long as demographic
|collapse doesn't get them first, although that would also decrease
|their carbon footprint...
|u/jazzwhiz - 5 hours
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|Of course they're doing so by buying up Africa anyway they can.
|u/BuzzBadpants - 6 hours
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|It will be the next hegemonic superpower. Better start learning
|Mandarin.
|u/AtotheCtotheG - 5 hours
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|Too hard, good luck to ‘em though
|u/-JustPassingBye- - 2 hours
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|They are not. It’s a facade. They are creating mass amounts of
|pollution compared to what their image shows. China is a very
|sneaky country, and not denying all the evils of the US, but
|people need to open their eyes to what China is up to.
|u/devilkazama - 9 hours
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|Ironically they eat the most rice
|u/Turbo_turbo_turbo - 5 hours
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|What a stupid American-centric comment. China , love em or hate em,
|is far exceeding the US when it comes to climate change. But that
|doesn’t sell as well as them being evil villains so go off ig
|u/TurtleMOOO - 8 hours
|
|From what I’ve heard, china is making changes. Hard to say what is
|true when it comes to news about china.
|u/CuriosTiger - 5 hours
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|I visited China this year. I was expecting Beijing to be super-
|smoggy. It was not. Clean air and blue skies. I was genuinely
|surprised.
|u/Several_Puffins - 3 hours
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|I lived in China 2007-2009. I realised I had heard birdsong for
|the first time in 6 months while walking in a park, then found a
|speaker in a rock that was piping the "birdsong" in. Went to
|visit in 2018 and there were just birds everywhere. It's way
|better than it was. A lot of media coverage wants to
|scaremonger about fake bad things so the narrative can be pushed
|that we shouldn't fight climate change, because China won't and
|we'll fall behind. Not like there aren't plenty of very
|sinister things to talk about, like Uyghur concentration camps
|and the politburo executing its rivals for corruption and giving
|itself a life term of office.
|u/bpsavage84 - 4 hours
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|If you watch any Western media coverage on China, they will
|often use stock footage from a decade ago to make it seem like
|China is still drowning in pollution. While China is still
|polluted, they've been making progress every year to reduce it,
|and it's very noticeable to anyone living or regularly going
|there for business.
|u/CuriosTiger - 4 hours
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|Indeed. Not just media coverage, but travel guides and the
|like all warned about smog in Beijing. And I have asthma, so
|it was something I was concerned about. I was pleasantly
|surprised, to put it mildly. Now if they could only make the
|same kind of progress with smoking..
|u/Kaymish_ - 2 hours
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|Here in New Zealand it has taken decades upon decades of
|bipartisan work on smoking cessation to get to the point
|where a rising age floor and eventual ban is plausible.
|Unfortunately the cigarette companies bribed the incoming
|government and broke the cycle, but they will be gone year
|after next and progress can resume. China will also need
|years and years of work to even begin seeing any progress.
|u/bpsavage84 - 4 hours
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|Smoking has to take it's course. It's a habit thing so the
|older guys have to die out. Young people smoke a lot less
|and vaping is niche due to a general ban.
|u/CuriosTiger - 4 hours
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|Somehow, in Europe and North America, "older guys" who
|smoked in the 50s, 60s and 70s have largely managed to
|quit. Public health campaigns work. This is one area where
|China doesn't even seem to be trying.
|u/bpsavage84 - 4 hours
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|Agreed. That's because Big Tobacco is state-owned.
|u/RebeccaBlue - 6 hours
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|Where did I say the US was "the only issue here" ?
|u/ohnofluffy - 7 hours
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|Yeah, look at Delhi today and tell me something isn’t wrong.
|u/A_Vespertine - 11 hours
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|Or, you know, we selectively breed crops to be better suited for their
|environment, like we've doing for literally thousands of years.
|u/HugoCortell - 10 hours
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|No. When the climate changes suddenly, plants will simply die. They
|can't adapt fast enough, not even with human intervention. This
|exact thing happened during the Bronze Age collapse. The only way
|current crops could have any change of surviving the predicted
|scenarios for climate change would be genetic editing. Nature is not
|fast enough this time around, not with such an extreme event on the
|horizon.
|u/ItGradAws - 10 hours
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|I’m pretty sure the Bronze Age plebs didn’t have GMO’s
|u/TactlessTortoise - 10 hours
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|They also didn't have coal plants and oil refineries chugging
|dino juice to generate enough energy to keep billions of tons of
|steel moving day and night around the planet 24/7
|u/HugoCortell - 10 hours
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|That's what I am saying. Because they didn't have that, they
|experienced severe crop failures that became a major factor in
|the "systems collapse theory". That which happened to the
|civilizations of the Bronze Age could very well happen to us. It
|might be hard to picture, but our economies are balanced on a
|needle, and if the boat rocks too much, our systems could
|collapse too.
|u/pyrolizard11 - 9 hours
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|I've always thought standing on the shoulders of giants was a
|better analogy. We've risen so tall, we can see so far, that
|we feel as gods to those who came before us, those who planted
|their feet on the ground to act as our foundation. But the
|land beneath us is unchanged and, standing unsure on their
|shoulders, we face the real possibility of falling back down
|to their feet.
|u/PMTittiesPlzAndThx - 9 hours
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|Selective breeding is the original way to genetically modify an
|organism
|u/TurtleMOOO - 8 hours
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|Yeah they actually did. GMOs started before then. You don’t need
|anything other than seeds and a brain to genetically modify
|plants
|u/bbysmrf - 10 hours
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|That doesn’t stop the quality decreasing unless you find one that
|tastes just as good and suited for the new environment.
|u/A_Vespertine - 10 hours
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|That's how selective breeding works, yes. And on top of that, we
|have genetic modification.
|u/postmodest - 10 hours
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|Who will do the science if we've gutted the systems that pursue
|science in the name of "ignoring the sources of global warming
|to continue to earn income from them"?
|u/Psyc3 - 10 hours
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|People never like practical solution to problem on Reddit, that
|isn't enough doom for them so doesn't fulfil their perception.
|World beat a pandemic and they learnt nothing about what can be
|achieved when people have too...or at least the boomers are
|effected...
|u/Ianbillmorris - 5 hours
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|We didn't beat a pandemic. The pandemic beat us. If we had won
|against Covid, then we wouldn't be getting new waves every 6
|months. Instead, we would have wiped it out.
|u/A_Vespertine - 9 hours
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|Agreed. I was hesitant to even post a response at all. I know full
|well Doomers can't be reasoned with. They don't want solutions,
|because they want to view humanity only as making problems, not
|solving problems. But if that was true, none of us would be
|here. We've made it this far, and for me that's reason enough to
|believe we can go a ways yet.
|u/Legitimate_Mud_8295 - 10 hours
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|Couldn't we just grow it elsewhere in formerly colder areas that are
|now in the right temp range?
|u/Connect-Ad-5891 - 4 hours
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|I heard that Russia will be a prime benefactor of climate change as
|the permafrost melts it’ll give them more farmland
|u/Spiritual_Support_38 - 5 hours
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|They have money to have a controlled environment for their own
|produce. Why would they be worried
|u/BicycleGripDick - 8 hours
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|Headlines schmedlines as global warming uppy makes the not easy to
|read goodsies
|u/dysthal - 13 hours
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|--will continue to decline BECAUSE* climate change goes unchecked."
|fixed it.
|u/Electric_Bison - 17 hours
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|Theres a paywall, but couldn’t this also just be solved by using a
|different strain of rice? SEA/india grows rice too in warmer climates.
|u/NomadicEngi - 10 hours
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|Yes, but they also have to convince people in Japan and China to buy
|and cultivate it as well. Rice in SEA and India taste differently from
|Japanese rice.
|u/soup2nuts - 12 hours
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|From what I can tell the quality of rice will continue to decline.
|u/TylerBlozak - 10 hours
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|And brown rice will be more prone than white rice to arsenic
|contamination, which sucks because it’s leagues better in terms of
|overall nutrition than its white counterpart.
|u/CaribouHoe - 15 hours
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|I suggest the book 'The death of grass'
|u/kbean826 - 12 hours
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|Well. I have some bad news for billions of people.
|u/ohnofluffy - 7 hours
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|Can you imagine? Looking back and remembering when rice had flavor.
|u/Cactuas - 5 hours
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|Can anyone with access to the article explain what they mean by
|"quality" of rice? How is it quantified?
|u/seikenhiro - 8 hours
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|Climate change just bent on ruining everything I love and all I can do
|is watch the clowns running the show do not an iota.
|u/JustPoppinInKay - 17 hours
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|People will replant from the crops that did well and will eat, process
|or toss from the ones that did not. The rice will continue to be
|engineered to work as our crop. Nothing will change, except for the rice
|that will soon do well in higher night time temps.
|u/Cranberryoftheorient - 13 hours
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|Seems a little bit of an assumption to me. What if it cant keep up?
|u/ShootsTowardsDucks - 11 hours
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|If rice can be engineered the way corn has, then it has a big head-
|start on climate change.
|u/Xanjis - 11 hours
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|Humanity is not able to reliably predict technological
|development. The people that sucessfully gambled on if a new
|technology would succeed or not are incredibly wealthy.
|u/PatheticPhallusy - 10 hours
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|That is a tremendous and erroneous assumption you are making,
|presumably without any knowledge of plant physiology or biochemistry.
|Just take 30 seconds to Google "effect of high temperatures on rice".
|I found multiple high-impact papers that addressed this, such as [this
|one](https://ourworldindata.org/will-climate-change-affect-crop-
|yields-future#:~:text=Studies%20suggest%20that%20yields%20of,a%20world
|%20without%20climate%20change.) and [this one](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.ni
|h.gov/articles/PMC454199/#:~:text=Because%20the%20increase%20in%20mean
|,in%20growing%2Dseason%20mean%20temperature.) which clearly
|demonstrate how climate change will have substantial negative effects
|on rice/grain production. Enzyme kinematics, which is the chemistry
|of cellular reactions, shows that the enzyme in rice that creates
|branches of starch drops to 0% activity at 45 degrees Celsius. No
|starch, no calories. No calories, people die. Even for hardier grains
|like sorghum, these principles still apply. There is an upper limit of
|temperature, where physics prevents us from genetically engineering
|rice strains capable of *surviving* that temperature. And we're
|already very, VERY close to it.
|u/bearbarebere - 13 hours
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|What the hell is with this anti climate change rhetoric??
|u/Feminizing - 11 hours
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|The bad guys won,.climate change denial/doomism shall be the
|predominant rhetoric.
|u/Connect-Ad-5891 - 4 hours
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|This is the new wave of big oil propaganda, “it’s too late to do
|anything so who cares” and also “we’ll screw renewables, we can do
|nuclear energy for everything! (No we can’t btw)”
|u/Ateist - 2 hours
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|Plants were just fine in the dinosaur era that had much higher CO2
|levels... So Earth will be fine - it is only humans that are
|screwed.
|u/zehcoutinho - 11 hours
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|Don’t they acknowledge climate change in the last sentence though?
|It says rice will adapt to higher temperatures.
|u/bearbarebere - 11 hours
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|The idea that the climate is changing but that it won’t be that
|bad, that our crops can adjust just fine, is a form of denial.
|u/zehcoutinho - 11 hours
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|Since climate change can’t be avoided, isn’t it good to think
|about the adaptability of crops?
|u/Feminizing - 10 hours
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|The bad news is unless we take great efforts to avoid the
|worse of it.. no we all die. This is it.
|u/pointless234 - 3 hours
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|Consider it like this, if the crops were so adaptable, why
|haven't they been adapting to the already rising temperatures?
|We've standardized our crops so much that they don't change a
|lot by design
|u/samarijackfan - 16 hours
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|This is what I learned from the 70s scaring the world we were going to
|run out of grain to feed the world. Oh look, we engineeredcorn to grow
|on less land and made rice 4 times better than previous crops.
|u/Tearakan - 14 hours
|
|Except we are in a situation that is vastly different from previous
|famine scares. Our species has literally never seen this level of
|CO2 in the atmosphere. Last time it was this high the ice caps
|didn't exist and we literally weren't alive. Heat is rising rapidly
|in our most productive growing regions every year. Eventually it
|will rise past the limit that a lot of usable plants can handle.
|Hell India's heat wave this summer nearly got to the temperature
|that kills wheat crop in the fields. That was this year. And
|bioengineering has limits too. Each species has limits that can't
|just be "engineered away".
|u/runtheplacered - 14 hours
|
|Serious question, is this normal for this sub? It seems pretty
|clear they're denying climate change in a science subreddit of all
|places. I did not expect that.
|u/Tearakan - 13 hours
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|Normally no. I don't normally see those kinds of dumb comments
|but I am very quickly losing any faith I had left in people. At
|this point I see very violent collapse as invetible and just
|hope enough people survive to build something cool in the
|aftermath.
|u/runtheplacered - 13 hours
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|> At this point I see very violent collapse as invetible and
|just hope enough people survive to build something cool in the
|aftermath. I see we've landed at the exact same spot.
|u/Tearakan - 11 hours
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|Yeah. I tried to hold out hope for a soft landing fpr
|climate change. Now I think only extreme pain for our
|entire species stands a chance at waking people up.
|u/Buzz_Killington_III - 9 hours
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|I think people assume that human's will be able to adapt. And
|we will, we're extremely adaptable. But many animals and crops
|won't, and I think people over-estimate our capability to keep
|enough food for a growing population under those circumstances.
|Unfortunately, I don't see that changing until we are seeing
|real, tangible, catastrophic impacts.
|u/Connect-Ad-5891 - 4 hours
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|I got here from all so it’s probably normies browsing and seeing
|the post
|u/esaks - 13 hours
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|Eh, the earth will be fine. Humans had a good run.
|u/Tearakan - 13 hours
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|Well yeah. I never said we are wiping out all life. Just ours.
|u/shadar - 13 hours
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|And millions of other species along the way.
|u/Tearakan - 11 hours
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|True. They will join the 99 percent of all species that
|have gone extinct.
|u/BeniaminGrzybkowski - 11 hours
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|Species come and go, it's only natural
|u/Xanjis - 11 hours
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|Humanity was already competitive with an asteroid strike
|or the great oxygen event *before* climate change.
|u/shadar - 10 hours
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|https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-prisms-
|extinction/article/forty-years-later-the-status-of-the-
|big-five-mass-extinctions/S2755095822000043_figAb.png
|What's happening is anything but natural.
|u/Talmirion - 7 hours
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|Humans will survive, with how adaptive we are. Civilization? Not
|so sure.
|u/Televisions_Frank - 15 hours
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|I'm sure Just-In-Time staple crop engineering won't fail eventually!
|u/Givemeurhats - 15 hours
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|It's more like the solutions are there but aren't implemented
|until necessary. Whether that's due to time, cost, politics, or
|whatever is up for debate.
|u/DanoPinyon - 14 hours
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|...and we overapplied nitrogen and pumped groundwater. Will it go on
|forever? No!
|u/pbmcc88 - 13 hours
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|Would we have run out of grain had those modifications not happened?
|u/war3rd - 8 hours
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|Bilderburg specifically promoted 2 billion people on the planet. There
|are 8 billion now. Do the math.
|u/agprincess - 8 hours
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|I won't pay that price to read it, but wouldn't they just eventually
|switch to rice strains that are more tolerant to warmer weather? Doesn't
|half of the worlds rice come much warmer countries like India?
|u/TheOptionalHuman - 7 hours
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|Addressing climate change might inconvenience some billionaires and
|enrage their supporters in trailer parks throughout America. Our
|incoming "administration" will never tolerate that. (/s but is it
|really?)
|u/Mindless-Day2007 - 5 hours
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|With sea level rise we will see lot of farming land turn into wasteland
|and rice production will suffer. Farmers will have to adapt and move
|from raise to whatever can adapt to new climate, for example they will
|do fish and shrimp farming instead.
|u/Sunny_McSunset - 2 hours
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|Western politicians seeing this like, "okay, so if we just continue
|climate change a little longer, we can make our competitors food supply
|chains break down, and then they'll have to import grains from us? Count
|me in!"
|u/Western-Monitor2957 - 40 minutes
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|Its not only rice but all kind of food items .....everything becoming
|unhealthy...fruits vegetables and sausages everything ...
|u/no-mad - 13 hours
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|Rice is a major world crop any percentage drop in production is a huge
|loss of food. Rice is not the only crop to be affected by increased day
|and night temps. We will breed better adapted plants, lose some foods
|and adopt different foods better suited to the heat.
|u/RationalKate - 11 hours
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|Hey lets just collect um all while we are here, Pasta, Bread, Tortillas,
|Dumplings, Nana, and any other
|u/Taronar - 8 hours
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|HAHAHAH we're so fucked, the carbon cycle is a 50 year cycle, the
|affects we are feeling now are caused by the pollution in 1975. We need
|to make a change YESTERDAY.
|u/ExtensionThin635 - 15 hours
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|Doesn’t matter people won’t change until they have literally no other
|alternative. Let em roast.
|u/soup2nuts - 12 hours
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|*Us*. Let *us* roast.
|u/swords-and-boreds - 7 hours
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|Some people knew about this and still had kids. Suckerrrrs!
|u/bust-the-shorts - 6 hours
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|Maybe china should do something about this. It’s their problem
|u/Alienhaslanded - 5 hours
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|Bye-bye rice. You will be missed.
|u/therealjerrystaute - 14 hours
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|Commercial/industrial scale farming is going to move indoors,
|underground, and underwater (aquaculture), where the environment will be
|much better controlled, and stuff like pesticide use will be rare.
|Micro-scale farming is going to blossom in households for certain
|fruits, veggies, and spices. These processes will be gradual, until
|climate change forces them to accelerate.
|u/MrPejorative - 13 hours
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|Rice is not good for the environment anyway.
|https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/06/how-rice-is-hurting-the-planet/
|u/DreiKatzenVater - 17 hours
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|What if they… dum dum duuuuum …grow it somewhere else
|u/boomer478 - 15 hours
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|You do realise that there isn't a "somewhere else" that isn't
|experiencing climate change, right?
|u/bkupron - 15 hours
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|Yes. The artic tundra is thawing. Smashing idea. Now where are we
|going to live to escape the giant hurricanes and tornados?
|u/Primedirector3 - 16 hours
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|And fight climate change at the same time
|u/Xanjis - 11 hours
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|Which part of the budget are you proposing we slash to pay for that?
|u/Mindless-Day2007 - 5 hours
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|Somewhere else is another nation land which likely they wouldn’t
|agree.
|u/londons_explorer - 16 hours
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|Or grow something else that prefers less rain and higher
|temperatures... Like wheat!
|u/coffeeguyq8 - 10 hours
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|Science sometimes is stupid
|u/Piper6728 - 13 hours
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|Or, quite possibly, farming will move indoors or underground in climate
|controlled areas
|u/Xanjis - 11 hours
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|Yearly income for billions of people: less then $5000 Yearly cost of
|a person to live needing underground-grown food and powerful AC:
|$6,000
|