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|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 18 hours
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|Snippets from [the
|article](https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/11/10/kremlin-occupied-
|ukraine-is-now-a-totalitarian-hell): Donald Trump’s incoming
|administration may push for an [armistice or peace
|deal](https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/11/07/why-volodymyr-
|zelensky-may-welcome-donald-trumps-victory) between Russia and Ukraine.
|That might leave a fifth of Ukraine under Russian occupation, and the
|size of this area could easily expand in the coming months if the
|Kremlin intensifies its offensive, which has been gaining ground. To get
|a sense of Vladmir Putin’s dark vision for any territory he permanently
|gains, it is worth looking at conditions in occupied Ukraine now.
|“Kiril”, a Ukrainian agent in occupied territory reached by phone, says
|that “this is a prison society” because the fear of being denounced
|forces everyone to keep their views to themselves. To be without a
|Russian passport these days is “like being a refugee in your own land”.
|Important jobs are almost all held by Russians. Anyone with pro-
|Ukrainian views fears being sent “to the basement”, an expression for
|Russia’s network of detention and “filtration” camps. All traces of
|Ukraine are being expunged. Schools have switched to the Russian
|curriculum, and Russian youth and paramilitary organisations work in the
|territories. Repression combined with Russification aims to transform
|the social and political fabric of the territories, says Nikolay Petrov,
|the author of a new report for the German Institute for International
|and Security Affairs. The identity of the occupied territories is
|changing, fast. Some residents have always been pro-Russian. Now
|oppression, brainwashing and an exodus means that the balance has
|shifted further. Some 5-30% of residents in the occupied Zaporizhia and
|Kherson regions are pro-Russian, 20-35% are pro-Ukrainian while the
|rest, possibly more than half, “have a wait-and-see” attitude, according
|to the NRC. “That is why,” says Mr Petrov, “we should not believe in the
|idea that they are all ... waiting for liberators to come and free
|them.”
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 13 hours
|
|A lot of the people who lived there fled to other parts of the country
|or other countries. They have a right to return and a right to their
|belongings.
|u/FifthMonarchist - 6 hours
|
|Probably their belongings are stolen, seized, given away, "adopted",
|exploded, dead or rubble.
|u/tiga_94 - 1 hour
|
|Even some of those who stayed are left homeless when their apartment
|block gets demolished due to war damage If you left - you own
|nothing there anymore, unless the Ukrainian order comes back.
|u/PairSeveral7417 - 1 hour
|
|This is war, so if you escape and survive, that’s the most you can
|hope for.
|u/shriand - 9 hours
|
|I'd like to know more about the 5-30% pro Russian population of these
|regions. What was their situation during the relentless
|bombing/artillery operations? Are they still pro Russian after their
|lands were all destroyed?
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 6 hours
|
|The article insinuates that the support for Russia is increasing
|because the locals are basically being brainwashed.
|u/Etalier - 4 hours
|
|Well if I was under Russian occupation I would most definitely
|claim to be very pro-Russia, due to the fact that if I wasn't, I'd
|be dead. Anyone asks, pro-Russia. That said, they would not
|conquer my mind. I hope. But in area that legimitely had pro-
|Russian minorities, I would be deadly afraid to trust anything
|that would hint anti-occupation. I don't think I would be made
|for guerrilla warfare or partisan duty. I hope I never have to
|find out.
|u/tereawillow - 1 hour
|
|They force the Ukrainians there to get russian passports and
|then send them to the front for the russian army to fight
|Ukrainians, claiming it is their obligation since they are
|russian citizens.
|u/WOWBRO1 - 24 minutes
|
|I am a citizen of Russia. Russia has a monstrous propaganda
|system, which is very easy to fall for if there are no other
|sources of information. Television in the country is under state
|control, VPNs are blocked, and it is impossible to talk about
|the existence of VPNs. War cannot be called war. Veterans of the
|Special Military Operation are Heroes. These "Heroes" go to
|schools and teach children "patriotism". I am deeply convinced
|that residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions have actually
|become pro-Russian in the last 10 years.
|u/LivingAsparagus91 - 1 hour
|
|There are many YT and Telegram channels representing their point of
|view, but mostly in Russian. One rare example of English language YT
|channels would be 'Videos from Mariupol''
|https://www.youtube.com/@VideosfromMariupol. Of course, it will be
|called 'Russian propaganda' here, but if you want to listen to pro-
|Russians, you can try
|u/Silverso - 4 hours
|
|At least in one early interview I saw some of them say they're not
|stupid and that they know it's Ukraine that's bombing them not
|Russia.
|u/shriand - 4 hours
|
|Ukraine was bombing their own provinces 🤔
|u/Consistent-Primary41 - 7 hours
|
|The pro-Russian ones have passports. They will be free to return to
|Russia. Lord knows Russia will need them. They will find themselves
|very unwelcome in Ukraine once the liberators have succeeded.
|u/Gullible-Mortgage263 - 3 hours
|
|Are you saying Ukraine will commit genocide after the war ends?
|u/zhongcha - 2 hours
|
|No, they're saying they will *feel unwelcome*. People not liking
|you is different to state directed genocide via relocation of
|which Russia actually does.
|u/Gullible-Mortgage263 - 2 hours
|
|What does feel unwelcome mean? Open violence towards civilians
|after the war?
|u/AtmosphericDepressed - 2 hours
|
|I think he's trying to say that they will have emotions and
|suspicions (feelings) that the people around them do not like
|them and do not want them to be there (unwelcome)
|u/zhongcha - 2 hours
|
|At the end of the day there will be some of that. The
|Ukrainian government's job, and especially local institutions
|will be to prevent widespread violence if they gain
|territorial control after the war. Ukraine has kept local
|institutions running in exile and has tried to continue to
|have police reserves to do this job if the realities change,
|but it will likely be mitigation first until they can get
|enough manpower and adapt to the realities on the ground. So
|naturally some civilians will try and organise against pro-
|Russian Ukrainians or Ukrainian Dual nationals, Russian
|citizens in Ukraine and it will take some time to change
|mitigation to full prevention of harm.
|u/Asbestos_the_bestos - 14 hours
|
|This sounds exactly like the things, that N*zi Germany did... I guess
|today's RuSSia and No-no-germany are pretty much equivalent
|u/ShinCoal - 11 hours
|
|To play devils advocate, I think some people who use multiple
|platforms are just used to partially obscuring words like 'nazi'
|and 'death' because it gets your comments either hidden or
|deleted on some of the other social media platforms. So if you
|see people on reddit do that, this might be the reason.
|u/thisismyredditacct - 10 hours
|
|Or what the Russian Empire did to Ukraine once already.
|u/bobandgeorge - 7 hours
|
|You can say the word "Nazi". This isn't TikTok. You don't need to
|censor yourself like that.
|u/AbbieNormal - 12 hours
|
|And modern Republicans are happy to appease Putin with land.
|Because that went so well, appeasing Hitler with land.
|u/Fluffy_Routine2879 - 4 hours
|
|It went so well last time Russia just got some land as well in
|2014 by these mysterious unflagged forces in Crimea. They totally
|didn’t escalate the war in the years following up until today.
|Conclusion can only be that Putins Russia must be trustworthy for
|deals with no one to upheld them 👍 Nice brainwork, right wingers
|all over the West.
|u/sciguy52 - 16 minutes
|
|Obama was in office in 2014.
|u/tidbitsmisfit - 12 hours
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|this is what Russia has done their entire existence. genocide
|u/ImportantObjective45 - 9 hours
|
|The correct term is Soviet
|u/Equivalent-Durian488 - 6 hours
|
|and the award for the dumbest analogy goes to this guy. Let me
|introduce you to the soviet union!
|u/SadSecurity - 14 hours
|
|But... but orange felon bots told me that Ukraine conceding lands
|would solve throwing more Ukrainian bodies into the war and guarantee
|the peace! /s
|u/Kryptosis - 3 hours
|
|Good to know and see that the “wait and see” folks we have here will
|happily die in their homes as they continue to wait.
|u/AzorJonhai - 15 hours
|
|This is what occupation looks like. Not Gaza or the WB. This.
|u/fuckiforgotmyaccount - 15 hours
|
|…Is it a competition?
|u/laetus - 14 hours
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|Do you know the difference between a comparison and a competition?
|u/sam_hammich - 7 hours
|
|What’s the comparison? They just said “this is an occupation,
|and Gaza is not”, apropos of nothing.
|u/imnonfunctional - 5 hours
|
|For those of us who have followed the Ukraine and Gaza
|conflicts throughout, the complete silence from some for a
|year on Ukraine, or down playing, or victim blaming was
|already insulting and gross. But then the constant stream of
|how the situation in Gaza is the worst thing on the planet,
|after arguments that Ukrainians deserve collective punishment
|because of some memorandum by the us in the 90s etc. it's just
|been unbearable, so it's hard for people not to eventually
|bitch at the embarrassing double standard. It has created a
|new bitterness for me personally, towards many people I
|generally agree with.
|u/ganbaro - 1 hour
|
|One thing that surprised me in this context how UN and press
|did believe Ukrainian casualty numbers less than Hamas',
|despite Ukraine differentiating between civilians and troops
|and Hamas not doing so I could pass off believing Hamas as
|naivety, but at the same time selectively putting more
|scrutiny on Ukraine gives it a very sketchy look. Also it
|led to claims that Israel wages the most brutal war early on
|while Ukraine claimed more casualties in Mariupol alone
|u/VampireFrown - 7 hours
|
|Considering how many morons are bleating about there apparently
|being a genocide going on in Gaza (which is an order of magnitude
|worse than mere occupation), actually yeah - it's a point worth
|making.
|u/fuckiforgotmyaccount - 7 hours
|
|Denying a blatant occupation is a point worth making? Nobody
|said anything about genocide, so denying an occupation is pretty
|weird. Just seems like projection.
|u/VampireFrown - 7 hours
|
|Believe it or not, one is a necessary prerequisite for the
|other.
|u/fuckiforgotmyaccount - 7 hours
|
|Are you saying a genocide is a prerequisite for an
|occupation? Did the US commit genocide against Iraq in 2003?
|Did the allies commit genocide on Nazi Germany in 1945, or
|Imperial Japan in 1945?
|u/VampireFrown - 6 hours
|
|>Are you saying a genocide is a prerequisite for an
|occupation? Obviously the other way round...? If you
|thought about it for a couple of seconds, rather than
|leaping straight into contrarianism, perhaps that would've
|been apparent.
|u/fuckiforgotmyaccount - 6 hours
|
|Well I don’t know why anyone would say that an
|occupation isn’t happening in the West Bank, since
|that’s the global consensus on what’s happening there.
|Do you not think that’s what is happening in the West
|Bank?
|u/VampireFrown - 5 hours
|
|>in Gaza The West Bank situation is neither here nor
|there.
|u/quinnby1995 - 14 hours
|
|They're both occupations you fuckin clown. EDIT: To the idiotic
|clowns that are downvoting me, the United fucking Nations even calls
|Israels occupation of Palestinian territory an illegal occupation
|and told them to GTFO.
|https://operationalsupport.un.org/en/israels-illegal-occupation-of-
|palestinian-territory-tantamount-to-settler-colonialism-un-expert
|https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx9z96ldveo.amp
|u/Teledildonic - 9 hours
|
|With all the UNRWA shit that has come out over the last 2 years,
|anything the UN says on the matter should be taken with a grain of
|salt.
|u/ganbaro - 1 hour
|
|The first link cites Francesca Albanese, not exactly the least
|dubious source on this conflict
|u/cerberus00 - 14 hours
|
|How much are they paying you?
|u/LaPollaCremosa - 14 hours
|
|Obviously not condoning the October 7th attacks, but it's
|disingenuous to act like that's when the conflict began, or
|you just don't read a lot of history
|u/SadSecurity - 14 hours
|
|Palestine supporters sure don't read anything, but
|propagandic bullshit.
|u/LaPollaCremosa - 14 hours
|
|Sure thing bud
|u/VladHackula - 13 hours
|
|I mean hes not lying?
|u/cerberus00 - 14 hours
|
|As of 5 November 2024, over 45,000 people (43,391
|Palestinian and 1,706 Israeli) have been reported killed in
|the Israel–Hamas war... I think they got em.
|u/cerberus00 - 13 hours
|
|Replace Hamas with Palestine and it becomes more
|believable.
|u/namorblack - 14 hours
|
|Google Palestine history.
|u/gruntthirtteen - 1 hour
|
|There even are valid points to argue they're both genocides...
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|Christ, this is an extremely distasteful thing to say. In completely
|the wrong place, this is not somewhere to leverage your support for
|israel. So many of the conditions in Gaza have been comparable
|to this. Its also a much different situation so you would expect the
|occupation to also be different. The whole world excluding the US
|and Israel see gaza and the west bank as occupied, but you say it
|isnt so i guess it isnt.
|u/Juan20455 - 11 hours
|
|Gaza was basically free for 20 years. Not a single Israeli soldier
|inside. The blockade only started after months of Hamas launching
|rockets against Israel. But, yeah, here it is. Free palestinian
|territory, getting 20 times more aid per person than what Germany
|received with the Marshall plan. With all that money they could
|have created a new Switzerland. The elected goverment decided
|instead to attack, kill rape and kidnap as much as they could.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 11 hours
|
|and yet, Israel still received a shit load of criticism the
|whole time. So either the rest of the world is lying or you are.
|u/ABetterKamahl1234 - 10 hours
|
|That's kind of Hamas' most effective weapon. It's why they've
|outright stated they *want* people (civilians) inside
|buildings Israel bombs, because they're "Martyrs for the cause
|of eradicating Israel". Because it's effective. Civilians
|harmed directly or indirectly by Israel brings criticism, and
|an ununiformed terrorist group using humans shields is
|basically the perfect storm for criticism regardless of the
|reason. Partly because negativity gives networks much better
|view numbers than positive news does. Shit, using urban
|warfare of real-world current and historical examples, Israel
|has managed to have the *least civilian deaths* of any modern
|urban conflict. Which isn't something often talked about, as
|it's less of a gutteral reaction than talking about a building
|bombed, highlighting possible civilian deaths despite there
|being information not mentioned about things like a weapons
|cache stored in the building. It's kind of wild to me that
|while I can't at all support Israel for their actions in the
|West Bank, they're probably the only nation on earth
|*expected* to do nothing despite a near daily rate of
|*attacks* on their nation by neighboring nations and groups.
|Like shit, the US had 2 planes fly into some towers, and what,
|5 nations got invaded for it. Israel had suicide bombers from
|Gaza at such a rate they had to wall off Gaza, which put the
|rates at near zero (so all were originating from this region)
|but Israel is viewed as the evil party *for doing this*. It's
|kind of wild how much people pick a side, and steadfast excuse
|everything of their side and choose to only believe the other
|side is the only evil possible. Both Israel and Hamas can be
|bad. But one is literally a terrorist org that only exists to
|eradicate the other, the other isn't good, but at least tries
|a lot to minimize civilian deaths, which the terrorists
|*encourage*. The poor Gazans are trapped between a nation
|that doesn't really like them for current and historical
|reasons, and an oppressive regime that dominated the region
|for about 2 decades that would rather they die, than see peace
|in their lives. Shit man, Palestine managed to have this
|problem long enough neighbors won't take refugees, as refugees
|try to overthrow governments and launch attacks from their new
|homes. Gaza used to belong to Egypt. Egypt doesn't want it
|back because of these problems.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 9 hours
|
|I have never at any point voiced any support for hamas, I
|have only criticised Israel and expressed desire to remove
|support for a regime that makes no effort to address the
|criticisms it has long received, going so far as to deny
|them completely despite the entire outside (barring the US)
|being unanimous in their criticism. It is worth noting
|that Hamas' continued existence has benefited those who want
|to commit genocide with an excuse. I have had people today
|justifying the execution of children via headshots with
|rifles. When children are being shot in the head and people
|are trying to brush it off as 'thats war' without a moment
|to mourn or acknowledge the tragedy and pass the blame
|entirely on those that werent shooting at that time, theres
|some real vile intent going around. I am not one to lay bame
|squarely at anyones feet, but i am one to get rather angry
|when one side dismisses ALL blame over the deaths of
|children.
|u/Juan20455 - 1 hour
|
|"makes no effort to address the criticisms it has long
|received" Nah. It's just simply you don't care anything
|Israel is doing to avoid civilian casualties. Or you are
|just not informed. The thing is, we have to appreciate
|that Israel is actually doing all it can to prevent
|civilian casualties while fighting a war "Israel
|provided days and then weeks of warnings, as well as time
|for civilians to evacuate multiple cities in northern Gaza
|before starting the main air-ground attack of urban areas.
|The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) employed their practice of
|calling and texting ahead of an air strike as well as
|roof-knocking, where they drop small munitions on the roof
|of a building notifying everyone to evacuate the building
|before a strike." "No military has ever implemented any
|of these practices in war before." "The IDF has also
|air-dropped flyers to give civilians instructions on when
|and how to evacuate, including with safe corridors. "
|Israel has dropped over 520,000 pamphlets, and broadcast
|over radio and through social media messages to provide
|instruction for civilians to leave combat areas."
|"Israel's use of real phone calls to civilians in combat
|areas (19,734), SMS texts (64,399) and pre-recorded calls
|(almost 6 million) to provide instructions on evacuations
|is also unprecedented." https://www.newsweek.com/israel-
|implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-
|other-nation-history-opinion-1865613 "During this
|conflict, the Israeli military has phoned Gazans sometimes
|to warn them ahead of air strikes - Mahmoud's account
|gives an insight into one such phone call in an
|unprecedented level of detail." "The man said he would
|give Mahmoud time - he said he did not want anyone to die,
|the dentist recalls." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-
|middle-east-67327079 Do you know ANY military in history
|that did what Israel is doing to avoid civilian
|casualties? Name one, please. The US wanted to kill 3000
|Islamic state terrorist. Easy, right? 3000. Just send
|Delta force or something... They destroyed 80% of a
|city of 500.000 people to kill them. Did the US, the
|strongest army in the world, did anything Israel is doing
|to make less casualties?
|u/ChildOfChimps - 9 hours
|
|The sad thing is both sides need each other in a death
|spiral way. Hamas needs Israel to keep killing
|Palestinians to keep power. Israel needs Hamas to keep the
|attacks going and allow them to commit brutal acts.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 9 hours
|
|This is true, However the situation is not symmetric,
|one side is far more dominating that the other, and has
|had the opportunity and funds to do better and chose not
|to. If you had asked me about the situation 5-10 years
|ago i would have told you that the Israeli occupation
|was suffocating the Palestinian people in such a way
|that a violent retaliation was inevitable. I was not
|alone in this criticism and it is exactly what happened.
|u/ChildOfChimps - 9 hours
|
|You are correct. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle;
|though. Hamas will never stop til Israel leaves and
|Israel will never leave.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 10 hours
|
|This is straight forward racism. Of course not all Muslims
|hate jews, if that isnt obvious to you then you are racist.
|u/RnVja1JlZGRpdE1vZHM - 10 hours
|
|1. Islam isn't a race. 2. Hatred of Jews is literally in
|the Quran 3. No one gives a shit about being called racist
|anymore. The word has lost all meaning thanks to people
|like you, so good job.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 10 hours
|
|It is literally a fact that not all muslims hate jews,
|many things are in religious books. The bible tells
|people not to eat shellfish, doesnt mean they listen to
|it. If you cant understand that you are not firing on
|all cylinders. Racists dont care about being called
|racist.
|u/DubayaTF - 8 hours
|
|Not all bigots are racists. This particular fellow
|may be an anti-Muslim bigot, but he is also correct
|that this isn't racism.
|u/Max-Phallus - 14 hours
|
|I'm surprised that anyone is happy supporting either side.
|u/bogushobo - 14 hours
|
|Got to pick a side on everything these days it seems, sadly
|nuance is dead.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|Not really, the UK and US governments continue to support
|Israel, thats taking a side. It is not 'Taking a side' to
|suggest that the Israeli regime is not worthy of support, it
|is the exact opposite, it is the attempt to take neither side.
|Its also not a discussion that should be hijacking the
|conversation on Ukraine.
|u/VladHackula - 13 hours
|
|Well are they supposed to support Hamas? The people that
|caused this latest round?
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 13 hours
|
|How do you not understand not taking a side, Support
|NEITHER. Not supporting israel is not support for hamas.
|u/VladHackula - 12 hours
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|Why wouldnt we support a non terrorist?
|u/Max-Phallus - 14 hours
|
|I don't think you're disagreeing with bogushobo. He was
|critical of taking a side.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|He was critical of taking a side, but he was also
|suggesting that everyone was taking a side, i was pointing
|out that the many that oppose support for israel are not
|expressly taking a side and therefore not everyone has to
|take a side.
|u/bogushobo - 14 hours
|
|First off, I wasn't suggesting you're taking sides. I
|completely agree with you on your point about the Israeli
|regime and also have plenty misgivings about the Palestinian
|side as well. Which is why I'm also not taking a side on
|this issue. I didn't reply to your comment, I replied to the
|comment below about taking sides. To be clear it wasn't
|directed at you. I was commenting on attempts at general,
|nuanced discussion (the kind you're talking about) around
|this and just about any other subject these days being
|derailed by people calling others out for being pro this or
|anti that.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|Yeah fair enough, there are no heroes in the
|Israeli/palestine conflict, and i feel at this point the
|only way forward that does not make us complicit in
|genocide is to withdraw support for either party until
|some path to the preservation of humanity presents itself.
|The israeli regime displays no interest in any resolution
|to the problem that is not the annihilation of the
|palestinian people and in the face of that it seems like
|the behaviour of the Palestinians is unpleasant but also
|predictable.
|u/kaisadilla_ - 12 hours
|
|They have no fucking clue what they are supporting, neither of
|the sides. It's like seeing two lions fight each other to death
|and deciding one of them is the good one.
|u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA - 11 hours
|
|They're supporting whatever side their TikTok algorithm feeds
|them.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|The UK government only supports one side, my request as a
|citizen at this stage is that it supports neither.
|u/Max-Phallus - 14 hours
|
|I agree.
|u/Meowmixalotlol - 14 hours
|
|Gaza was completely autonomous for nearly 20 years bozo. They are
|now having issues because they invaded, then raped and killed over
|a thousand civilians, and took hundreds hostage. Stop spreading
|misinformation.
|u/Vaeltaja82 - 11 hours
|
|Isn't the famous picture where the boy is throwing a rock
|against a tank much older than 2023? And then we have examples
|like this https://youtu.be/kAm9-Cli6zs?si=rYEq3-ySvGUVQlk0 And
|this https://youtu.be/5D5-0bKtwuY?si=H0FJVUcxkmjZkwP- But
|frankly speaking this topic is totally wrong place to discuss
|about Israel - Palestine conflict when the subject is supposed
|to be Russian invasion in Ukraine.
|u/Vaeltaja82 - 11 hours
|
|Like I said, this topic is about Russian invasion against
|Ukraine. If you have something to add there we can talk
|about that. Some other invasions we can discuss in a topic
|about that and not go steal the thunder and talk about about
|some other conflicts there
|u/Leetter - 10 hours
|
|I don't know if you have been on reddit before but every
|post on here that gets enough comments has off topic
|comments. So can you stop trying to police reddit that
|would be wonderful.
|u/Pacify_ - 9 hours
|
|Nothing says autonomous than not having control of your power,
|water, airspace, marine borders, land borders, airports or food
|supply lol
|u/mothtoalamp - 7 hours
|
|Gaza's controlling power has filmed themselves digging up
|pipes laid for humanitarian use by aid organizations and
|converting them into rockets. We don't have to accuse them of
|doing this. They *brag* about doing this. Hamas should not
|have control of any of the things you have listed. They have
|deliberately leveraged control of said this for terrorism and
|oppression at every opportunity. And if the controlling power
|is Hamas, do you *want* them to have autonomy? We've seen what
|they do with it.
|u/Pacify_ - 7 hours
|
|Hamas are a terrorist organisation, but they didn't just
|magically spring into existence and power. Usually when a
|country is occupied, the anti-occupation people take
|control.
|u/mothtoalamp - 1 hour
|
|Hamas has been the power occupying Gaza.
|u/Pacify_ - 1 hour
|
|TIL didn't know Hamas been around since 1947
|u/mothtoalamp - 1 hour
|
|It's too late at night for me to be semantic with
|someone who wants to argue in bad faith. Hamas has
|been the power occupying Gaza for recent decades. This
|escalation is the first time in decades that there's
|been a long-duration deployment of ground troops
|inside Gaza. Israel has not been occupying Gaza. If
|that's your claim, you have no idea what an occupation
|is. You're a layman. Stop talking to me.
|u/VampireFrown - 7 hours
|
|If they didn't keep converting every piece of scrap they can
|lay their hands on into bombs and missiles, perhaps they would
|have control of those things.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|Theres bbc footage of Israelis throwing items at palestinians
|from their apartments. There's records of children being shot
|in the head from years ago. There are Israeli soldiers that
|have spoken up agains the IDF terror strategies You are the one
|that is lying.
|u/acrossaconcretesky - 14 hours
|
|Feel free to have this conversation somewhere relevant.
|u/acrossaconcretesky - 13 hours
|
|The next time I feel the impulse to shove a really
|simplistic and weirdly dogmatic political statement into
|an unrelated conversation about horrific abuses of human
|beings, that's exactly what I'll do.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 14 hours
|
|Take it up with the BBC. The footage is there. There is a
|lot of highly critical BBC footage available, including the
|practice of throwing young prepubescent palestinian children
|in prison and denying access to familie.
|[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-
|palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-
|war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-
|palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war) This is a
|recent example, that of course Israel is denying because why
|wouldnt they. However i have seen other reports years ago,
|its not a new issue. You are using the Ukraine war to
|pretend that the Israel palestine situation is something
|that it isnt. You are a Vile human being.
|u/SadSecurity - 13 hours
|
|Palestine supporting trolls are so eager to throw
|insults instead of having an actual reply whenever
|someone points out or doesn't agree with their agenda.
|u/Panthera_leo22 - 14 hours
|
|You know there’s an option to not voice your vile
|opinions.
|u/ChildOfChimps - 9 hours
|
|Conversely, there’s also years of Palestinian suicide
|bombers and Hamas rockets. Israel is unequivocally evil
|in how far they’ve gone this time. But Hamas and the
|Palestinians aren’t completely innocent either.
|u/Aggravating-Method24 - 9 hours
|
|Never claimed they were, these children with bullet
|holes in their head were though
|u/ChildOfChimps - 8 hours
|
|Sure, and so were the Israeli kids killed by
|Palestinian explosives. Israel is evil, but it’s not
|like Hamas isn’t just as bad. They’d literally do the
|same thing Israel is doing given a chance.
|u/gallimaufrys - 13 hours
|
|Children being targeted and shot is well documented.
|https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo
|u/ABetterKamahl1234 - 10 hours
|
|What you're talking of happens in West Bank, which isn't Gaza.
|Gaza has remained the same size it is for decades now. No
|settlement has happened there for a long time, a lot of
|conflict by terrorists and soldiers, but land hasn't traded
|hands.
|u/essaysmith - 13 hours
|
|No, I guess they dismantled those in 2005. Why there were
|there in the first place is questionable, and why they are
|in the West Bank is also. So you agree that the West Bank
|is occupied then?
|u/cool_nicks_taken - 13 hours
|
|you must be dumb if english is your first language and
|cant understand him
|u/timeloope - 6 hours
|
|Misinformation is from your side. Gaza was a concentration
|camp, with Israel with full control of what goes in, including
|such level of control of their food supply as to count their
|calories. Every few years Israel would go in bombing them as
|means of "mowing the lawn". Israel always had the plan to cleans
|the land of Palestinians and they're finding it.
|u/Panthera_leo22 - 14 hours
|
|And the West Bank? *you’re spreading misinformation if you
|think this all started on 10/7. Israel was bombing Gaza king
|before 10/7
|u/SadSecurity - 13 hours
|
|You're speading misinformation by not mentioning how many
|times Palestinians were bombing Israel.
|u/Panthera_leo22 - 13 hours
|
|The commentator before did not mention that Israel was
|bombing Gaza prior to October. Your comment adds nothing
|meaningful to the discussion.
|u/SadSecurity - 13 hours
|
|Just like you conveniently did not mention all the
|Palestine attacks on Israel. You are the one who does not
|add anything meaningful to the discussion.
|u/Panthera_leo22 - 13 hours
|
|Why are you repeating yourself? I included the
|information the OP intentionally left out.
|u/SadSecurity - 13 hours
|
|> Why are you repeating yourself? If I am repeating
|myself then so are you. > I included the information
|the OP intentionally left out. And I included the
|information you intentionally left out.
|u/flashliberty5467 - 11 hours
|
|This is just bullshit propaganda there is zero evidence of
|Palestinians mass rape of Israelis whatsoever it’s literally
|just fabricated atrocity propaganda The vast majority of
|Israeli hostages have never made rape allegations at all There
|however is systemic rape of Palestinians done in Israeli prisons
|and some people in Israeli society were defending prison guards
|that were arrested by the Israeli government for rape of
|Palestinian prisoners
|u/Meowmixalotlol - 11 hours
|
|https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm
|https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217
|u/karma3000 - 12 hours
|
|I haven't heard of any Ukrainians launching terrorist attacks?
|u/Panthera_leo22 - 14 hours
|
|Dude gtfo with your bs. This isn’t a misery contest and frankly how
|dare you use Ukrainians to delegitimize the struggles of another
|people. Do you think things are sparkly in the West Bank? Having
|their homes burned and destroyed by setter terrorists, killed and
|attacked by settlers who face no consequences, detained without
|charges and held indefinitely, tried in Israeli military courts and
|not civilian courts, people arrested for liking a social media post,
|abuse from the IDF, endless checkpoints where it takes hours to go
|from one village to another, detaining children, having their water
|cut off, demolishing buildings. This is an occupation. BOTH Ukraine
|and the West Bank are occupied and you’re intentionally disregarding
|one of them.
|u/FitSatisfaction1291 - 12 hours
|
|Right though there's been no sign yet of Russia offering to give
|Ukraine back their territories and them refusing it..
|u/fallenmonk - 14 hours
|
|They all are.
|u/AvatarADEL - 13 hours
|
|An occupation by any other name, sucks just as much
|u/centraledtemped - 14 hours
|
|The West Bank is absolutely occupied. And it’s not a competition
|u/DerBingle78 - 14 hours
|
|What does Warner Brothers have to do with this?
|u/redvfr800 - 8 hours
|
|Uhhhhh what
|u/sam_hammich - 7 hours
|
|No, those are still occupations. What are you trying to say here?
|u/kaisadilla_ - 12 hours
|
|You have no idea how the West Bank looks like, because it isn't any
|better.
|u/qweiot - 14 hours
|
|gaza is an open air prison. looks pretty occupied to me.
|u/r2994 - 4 hours
|
|Lol they claimed Ukrainians were fighting against the Russian language
|and look at them now. It was all a ruse.
|u/sercommander - 17 hours
|
|Crimean russians can tell much about how good it is for them - "twice
|traitors" they were called on russian national tv
|u/happytoad - 4 hours
|
|Interesting, can you share a source?
|u/Tooterfish42 - 15 hours
|
|And nobody seems to speak up about the Tatars. I saw a certain super
|popular twitch streamer bring them being displaced up and casually move
|on Crimea is impossible to unfuck by now. A million Russians just
|moved in at once and went right into people's homes and established
|businesses and literally said "this is mine now"
|u/BlackSheep311111 - 15 hours
|
|jup my uncle lost his home 2014 and his solar buisness. everything he
|and others build up just stolen by russians.
|u/Tammer_Stern - 15 hours
|
|It makes me think of what happened in Sudenland.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 15 hours
|
|Did they summon the elector counts?
|u/Pepithir - 13 hours
|
|Bring me to my men!
|u/Katsuichi - 19 minutes
|
|I am Prince and Emperor!
|u/AmbitionOfPhilipJFry - 14 hours
|
|Or Israeli settlements, for a more recent example.
|u/Katsuichi - 18 minutes
|
|I think more of Warsaw.
|u/Budget_Cantaloupe_84 - 8 hours
|
|45 downvotes tells you all you need to know about these bleeding
|heart “anti war” types
|u/Most-Flow2521 - 13 hours
|
|Who was the streamer?
|u/DCS_Ryan - 11 hours
|
|If it's dismissing what's going on in Russia, Id have to guess Hasan
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|Yes. Flat out excusing it at times. 700k Russians colonizing at
|once? Not a problem. And I thought he would care about Tatars that
|was shocking
|u/Bluebabbs - 9 hours
|
|Wow that's insane, do you have a clip of him saying Russia is in
|the right? I always thought of him as being against Russia's
|invasion, but if you have a clip saying it's a good thing that's
|crazy
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|The streamable link I had is long dead It's not hard to find
|since he famously apologized for mis-predicting the war but
|none of the rest. It's the part where he says Ukraine asked
|for it and cites the referendums Russia holds at the end of a
|gun and repopularized the phrase "Crimea River"
|u/fewd1 - 8 hours
|
|I don't know about Hasan's take on the Tatars, but if you're
|looking for his general stance on Russia, he famously
|[justifies 2014's annexation of
|Crimea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSwntmuFYk&t=233s)
|u/Bluebabbs - 3 hours
|
|Wow he sounds deadly serious there. This mountain of
|evidence is compelling
|u/Nigilij - 10 hours
|
|Just deport them all. They are illegal immigrants that entered UA
|territory without UA permission. By doing that they became war
|partners of kremlin. Might not unfuck Crimea completely but it will
|help That’s of course for russians that came illegally since 2014.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 9 hours
|
|It's complicated because the first thing russia does is make anyone
|left sign back over to Russia and "vote" for them to be in control
|So how do you seperate them? You need a caseworker for each
|household so guns alone don't work so well
|u/SrCartujo - 12 hours
|
|Sounds like there wont be a problem if they bomb the place then
|u/Repulsive-Lobster750 - 8 hours
|
|Which brings up the interesting question of how to nullify demografic-
|shift manipulation
|u/Any_Put3520 - 9 hours
|
|Are we pretending the Ukrainians cared about or respected Tatars now?
|The Russians, Ukrainians, and then the Soviets systematically removed
|the Tatars from Crimea and the azov region, they moved Russians and
|Ukrainians in. Then the Soviets in the 50s moved Russians in en
|masse so it became firmly Russian majority, but they kept the region
|in the Ukrainian republic because that’s what the USSR did. See
|Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Ossetia. Now whether it goes to the
|Ukrainians or Russians in the end, the Tatars have been erased. Let’s
|not pretend that’s something new the Russians are doing, it’s
|something the Ukrainians have done for just as long as
|u/Tooterfish42 - 8 hours
|
|What about? What about? Sorry I didn't cover the entirety of
|history in one comment but to anyone not a wool head it's obviously
|a comment about post 2014. Look up how many got displaced from the
|annexation if you need a lesson
|u/uxgpf - 1 hour
|
|Ukraine's defense minister is a Crimean Tatar. Just saying...
|u/VacationBorn8659 - 1 hour
|
|Is this supposed to mean anything?
|u/mrCore2Man - 14 hours
|
|Sadly, but displacement of groups of people is a natural thing. This
|happened before and will happen again.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 14 hours
|
|What's sad is their perceived usefulness as political pawns
|determines how much attention they get
|u/AvatarADEL - 17 hours
|
|Who wouldn't want to live in a country where life expectancy for men is
|in the 50s.
|u/Plus-Ocelot533 - 16 hours
|
|If I lived in Russia, death at 50 would actually sound pretty good.
|u/AvatarADEL - 15 hours
|
|Just the poor craftsmanship of their buildings makes it sound like a
|bad place to live. They need to learn how to properly install
|windows.
|u/MassiveKratomDump - 14 hours
|
|Per Russian State Statistics Service, Rosstat, 22.6% of Russians
|do not have indoor plumbing. In rural Russia, almost 2/3rd's have
|no access to indoor toilets, 48.1% use outhouses and 18.4% do not
|have a sewage system.Jan 16, 2024
|u/ohw554 - 13 hours
|
|Theirs is a fetal-alcohol society.
|u/xXWickedNWeirdXx - 11 hours
|
|After reading about sewage statistics in the previous comment,
|I thought you said fecal-alcohol society, and it didn't make
|sense, but I thought it was funny. What you actually said is
|less so.
|u/Capaj - 5 hours
|
|That number of indoor toilets and sewage system numbers do not
|add up. IMHO all people who use outhouses have no sewage
|u/ShowmasterQMTHH - 14 hours
|
|Windows in russia need to be stayed away from for health and
|safety reasons too..
|u/playing_in_traffic69 - 11 hours
|
|Don’t forget towel bars. Most look.crooked.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 13 hours
|
|I went there and struggled to find the comforts I took for granted
|back home. I can't imagine what crap they're stuck with now.
|Hopefully poor Russian immigrations of everything Real Oreos are
|sold there so I stopped buying anything from that scumbag Mondelez
|International
|u/Abandonment_Pizza34 - 15 hours
|
|Bro I hate to break it to you, but alcohol, energy drinks and M&Ms
|are not luxury goods in Russia, and neither are Oreos. Unless you
|went to some extreme remote rural place.
|u/PM_ME_NUNUDES - 14 hours
|
|Having been to Russia many times, it's fucking third world
|outside of st petersburg and moscow. If you don't have any
|wealth and power, it is pretty shitty in the cities as well.
|The only other place I've seen so many kids sniffing glue was
|Libya which is a fucking third world war zone.
|u/Abandonment_Pizza34 - 13 hours
|
|Kids sniffing glue in cities was a thing idk, maybe like 30
|years ago right after USSR collapsed? Last time I've seen
|anyone, let alone a kid, sniff glue was in the mid 90s. So
|yeah, sorry, I call bs on that one as well. Small Russian
|towns are usually pretty grim, yes, people do drugs and drink
|a lot. Oreos still aren't considered "luxuries" even there
|lol.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 14 hours
|
|Woah you mean to tell me Russian vodka isn't imported into
|Russia? Bro I hate to break it to you but nothing you've said
|contradicts me
|u/Abandonment_Pizza34 - 13 hours
|
|You said that M&Ms and Oreos are now "luxury items" so idk,
|seemed contradictory to me
|u/Tooterfish42 - 13 hours
|
|🤦♂️ Oreos = Mondelez International who is willing to do
|anything for a billion dollars a year in Russian business
|including lying, cheating and financing a war Sorry what it
|seemed like to you. There's an easy fix for that thankfully
|u/que_pedo_wey - 14 hours
|
|It was in the 1990s, now I think it is 72 or so.
|u/MistakeNot__ - 12 hours
|
|It was 64.1 and on a downward trend in 2021, pre-war. Nowadays it's
|highly likely that male life expectancy dropped below 60.
|u/que_pedo_wey - 3 hours
|
|[73 years](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-
|metrics/countries/rus/russia/life-expectancy). I don't expect such
|a significant drop because of a few years.
|u/MistakeNot__ - 1 hour
|
|[Which parth of "male" you don't
|get?](https://data.who.int/countries/643)
|u/IncoZone - 16 hours
|
|Have you tried actually looking it up, instead of expecting a large
|language model to tell the truth?
|u/Dr-Enforcicle - 16 hours
|
|>AI there's your issue
|u/Glavurdan - 13 hours
|
|Russian World - Alternative to EU everyone should aspire towards \-
|According to Putin
|u/TemporalCash531 - 15 hours
|
|Like one needed to use imagination to see this coming. Look at what the
|soviets did in Kaliningrad after 1945. What Russia is doing in Ukraine
|is proper colonialism in the 21st century, and by how international
|relations work in the post WW2 landscape, things are bound to stay how
|they are and those lands lost to that black hole that is Russia.
|u/NickCageson - 13 hours
|
|Same with Karelia and city of Vyborg.
|u/kaisadilla_ - 12 hours
|
|Vyborg is even better of an example. Kaliningrad, after all, was
|land seized from the Nazis that they cleansed and repopulated with
|Russians. Vyborg, on the other hand, didn't have enemies, so in
|theory that city doesn't have any disadvantage vs Finnish controlled
|cities nearby. The only difference is being administered by Russia,
|and that's been enough to make it substantially poorer and less
|free.
|u/stephanemartin - 11 hours
|
|I've visited Vybord about 10 years ago because it was in my Saint
|Petersburg guidebook. What a dump. Destroyed buildings, roads with
|holes, desert center city... Then you just make a few kilometers
|west and you're In Finland and it's another world. This is where
|I truly understood the long term consequences of Russian
|administration.
|u/KatsumotoKurier - 1 hour
|
|And your description of the city — which prior to its annexation
|back in the day was Finland’s second largest and one of its
|nicest and wealthiest — is exactly why nobody in Finland wants
|Karelia back. I’ve never been myself but have seen the photos
|from Google, and yours is not the first eyewitness account I’ve
|read either. It has clearly been neglected as hell. Evidently
|Russia takes over other countries’ territories not to have them
|for itself, but more so to deprive others from having them.
|Who’d have thought the largest country in the world would need
|more land, anyway?
|u/PixelDu5t - 12 hours
|
|Viipuri*
|u/TemporalCash531 - 13 hours
|
|Precisely.
|u/kaisadilla_ - 12 hours
|
|This is the main problem. The modern world was not prepared to deal
|with XIX-century colonialism. The West doesn't know how to react
|because Russia is not demanding anything reasonable. They just want
|part of another country's land for no reason other than "that country
|belongs to me and they wanted to be part of the EU instead". There's
|no fair offer that can be made to Russia other than "just retreat",
|which they won't do.
|u/TemporalCash531 - 4 hours
|
|But what could one legitimately offer to a country who is ready and
|willing to wipe out natives and replace them with its own people?
|There is nothing the West can offer to Russia because there’s
|nothing Russia wants from the West other than to be let “in peace”
|in its colonialist and imperialist endeavors.
|u/supremelummox - 4 hours
|
|only power works
|u/kuulmonk - 14 hours
|
|Just the start of more appeasement people, nothing to see here. /s
|u/SteakForGoodDogs - 13 hours
|
|Appeasement may have been unfortunately necessary for the UK to get
|its shit together. The British were not ready for war, especially
|after so many just died two decades prior. The Americans could
|sneeze in Russia's direction and their military and production
|facilities would collapse, if Ukraine is able to hold them off with
|inferior doctrine and weaponry. This is a reward that the
|Republicans are happily giving to Putin for helping them win.
|u/aBeerOrTwelve - 10 hours
|
|There's a better word for this type of "colonialism." Genocide. That's
|what you call it when someone is trying to erase an entire people and
|culture.
|u/TemporalCash531 - 4 hours
|
|Well yes, one doesn’t exclude the other, and in the Russian case
|it’s definitely not colonialism and genocide.
|u/Thymelap - 16 hours
|
|Just like the good old days!
|u/PassionZestyclose594 - 13 hours
|
|So, like the rest of Russia then.
|u/Jazzlike-Resource108 - 16 hours
|
|So just regular Russia?
|u/Lladyjane - 14 hours
|
|Kremlin-occupied Russia too
|u/hyperblaster - 14 hours
|
|Archive link: https://archive.is/7Arjy
|u/BIT-NETRaptor - 14 hours
|
|Call me a nasty cynic but Russias's absolute demolition of every city
|belies the idea that they were there to "protect Russian speakers"
|Trump is about to hand over for free what they really wanted: to disrupt
|Ukrainian oil extraction and pipelines, and claim the coast of the black
|Sea for the offshore oil there. Trump is a simpleton and easily
|exploited, he's utterly unaware of any greater context or value to the
|land that was invaded. Russia conquering this land is very bad for
|global oil markets. I say this if you so totally selfish you need a
|self-serving reason to support Ukraines's sovereignty. In Trump's
|simple brain he "just wants the war to stop." Not realizing that he's
|outright legitimized that if a country wants something all they have to
|do is make Donald a little uncomfortable and he'll roll over for free.
|u/Alternative_Lab_8501 - 13 hours
|
|If only you could imagine EU protecting its interests by giving full
|military support to Ukraine for cheap gas and oil from them.
|u/BeyondElectricDreams - 12 hours
|
|> In Trump's simple brain he "just wants the war to stop." Can we
|stop legitimizing Trump as if he's not in cahoots with Putin?
|Multiple off-record meetings, bending over backwards to appease him,
|ALL of our spies in Russia snuffed out. Trump is owned by Putin.
|Trump will not act in good faith for the geopolitical well-being of
|the United States, he will do whatever Putin wants him to do. If
|Putin says "We want to take all of Ukraine, and we need Ukraine weak"
|Trump will say "Right away, Daddy" and do exactly what he's told. We
|basically have confirmation from our own intelligence agents that some
|of Trump's cabinet are Russian assets. Please stop the fairy tale
|that Trump is just some bumbling buffoon who's going to fuck up
|because he's incompetent. Don't get me wrong, he ABSOLUTELY IS, but
|he's also got his nose so far up Putin's ass that he's smelling his
|tongue.
|u/Dangerous_Golf_7417 - 8 hours
|
|If all of our spies in Russia were snuffed out, how was the US able
|to call the 2022 invasion play by play as it happened? You don't
|build that kind of network in one year.
|u/BeyondElectricDreams - 8 hours
|
|> how was the US able to call the 2022 invasion play by play as it
|happened? You don't build that kind of network in one year. We
|still have allies, who share intel with us, and who's spies we
|don't know the identities of.
|u/blacksideblue - 5 hours
|
|satellites It was all captured in HD to show the world what Putin
|was trying to deny...
|u/Lone_Beagle - 12 hours
|
|> In Trump's simple brain he "just wants the war to stop." It's a bit
|more convoluted than that...he's so narcissistic that he sees
|everything as "black or white" or more like, "my enemies vs. my loyal
|supporters." Since Hunter Biden was involved in Ukraine (however
|slightly) he sees them as part of a network of his enemies. And so he
|is appointing weirdo's to his cabinet who support his views. So, he
|wants the war to stop, and because of his own conspiracy theories, he
|doesn't care what happens to them... (Add on top of that his weird
|fascination with Putin...)
|u/BIT-NETRaptor - 12 hours
|
|Fair point too about Trump seeing Ukraine as “disloyal” to him.
|u/Le1jona - 12 hours
|
|Yep And what Trum fails to realise, that Russia would most just
|certainly do this again to some other country Maybe to a country that
|is already part of Nato Trump would most likely just roll over like a
|good lapdog and hand it over aswell Heck, maybe he would even give
|them America too
|u/tmobile-sucks - 12 hours
|
|We already have.
|u/BIT-NETRaptor - 12 hours
|
|Trump has offered such brilliant rebuttals as “but they have nukes!”
|So apparently Russia has carte blanche with the planet.
|u/jameskchou - 15 hours
|
|That's as obvious as saying North Korea is not a free society
|u/SteakForGoodDogs - 13 hours
|
|"The Nazis were socialist, it's in the name!!!!" Ah yes, just like
|the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was totes a democracy.
|u/jameskchou - 12 hours
|
|Yes and some people actually believe they're freer than South Korea
|u/poimnas - 10 hours
|
|The Nazis roots were in a form of socialism, and they had a
|component of the party that was socialist and that helped them come
|to power. Then when they came to power Hitler murdered that
|component of the party.
|u/VacationBorn8659 - 57 minutes
|
|I don't think you know what totalitarian means
|u/MtnDudeNrainbows - 12 hours
|
|No compromise shall have Ukraine ceding territory
|u/Eastcoastpal - 11 hours
|
|I think as a middle finger to Trump for what he did with the withdrawal
|of Afghanistan and leaving Biden with a mess, I think Biden should turn
|around and give Ukraine unrestricted military missile usage as payback
|to Trump.
|u/HiVisEngineer - 6 hours
|
|Or send troops in to secure Ukraines borders as a New Year’s Day gift
|u/No_Locksmith_8105 - 5 hours
|
|“As payback to Trump” no he should have done that long ago but he
|actually caused this situation that Trump and Russia are going to
|capitalize on
|u/letterboxfrog - 10 hours
|
|Archived version https://archive.is/7Arjy
|u/CatboyInAMaidOutfit - 8 hours
|
|And silly me, I thought it was going to be a democratic paradise.
|Because I'm fucking stupid.
|u/coconutpiecrust - 15 hours
|
|I just can’t even. Is that poster of an anime girl that gives direction
|to a canteen named USSR???
|u/NewDelhiChickenClub - 15 hours
|
|Nah just a regular waitress/maid, otherwise yes.
|u/Resident_Dot_4421 - 1 hour
|
|I love how as always they put russian to write and research it 🫠 It’s
|worse than hell, it’s literally genocide and that is primarily why we
|are still fighting we want to save people it shouldn’t be okay to allow
|another country to erase its neighbours to the ground killing off
|everyone just because they are free and want to live in their own
|country What is wrong with this world, it’s already world war, but
|everyone still acts like it’s only Ukraine who should suffer, and we are
|suffering but it should have given the rest of the world time to
|understand, prepare and help, but it looks like the opposite is
|happening, every country just turns into coward refusing to acknowledge
|they soon will be dragged into this cause allowing such atrocities to go
|unpunished is not gonna lead to anything positive
|u/kaisadilla_ - 12 hours
|
|I mean, what do you expect? Imagine if it was a free country: "Hello
|fellow ex-Ukrainians. Welcome to your new Russian homeland. Do you have
|any ideas?" "Yes, we'd like to be part of Ukraine again please?" "Oh
|dammit, this whole invasion was pointless."
|u/Crafty-Photograph-18 - 6 hours
|
|As a Ukrainian, it is heart-warming to see all the support in the
|comments. However, the harsh reality is such that words will not help
|Ukraine with everything. I know I'm just an internet stranger to you,
|but I feel like I should remind people that you can always donate
|directly to the Ukrainian cause. Be it for military equipment or, if
|you're not comfortable with that, which is totally understandable, to
|repair and help the victims of the war. Any amount of extra money
|provided to Ukraine will be helpful. If you don't know where to donate,
|I can suggest the "Serhiy Prytula Charity Fundation" that works from the
|USA. From their website: Serhiy Prytula Humanitarian Foundation, an
|independent legal entity, serves as a supportive arm for communities,
|providing them with the necessary assistance to restore a decent life in
|the deoccupied and frontline areas with 5 projects in healthcare,
|reconstruction and equipping of protective shelters (Safe&Smart),
|temporary modular housing (NEST), humanitarian demining and crisis
|emergency response. Serhiy Prytula Charity Foundation is one of the
|biggest charities in Ukraine. The Foundation has raised 181 million
|dollars since February 24, 2022 as of July 31, 2024. The Foundation has
|two divisions: military and humanitarian. The Military division provides
|Defense Forces with non-lethal aid, restores and modernizes the
|existing equipment with optics, and communications, and educates medics,
|civilians, and defenders. About Serhiy Prytula Serhiy Prytula is a
|Ukrainian volunteer and public intellectual known as a famous Ukrainian
|TV and radio host, entertainer with 17 years on the national screen, and
|founder of the Serhiy Prytula Foundation. Since the Russian invasion of
|Ukraine in 2014 as a volunteer, Mr. Prytula began to deliver supplies
|for the Ukrainian military and implement projects in the field of post-
|conflict recovery and development. The Foundation he started in 2020 to
|fight coronavirus was initially supporting humanitarian inclusivity and
|educational projects. In February 2022 as a response to the russian all-
|out invasion of Ukraine, Mr. Prytula scaled up his army supply efforts
|and gathered a team of over 100 people to respond to the challenges of
|war and help the military and civilians affected by the russian
|aggression. Here's the link https://prytulafoundation.us/
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 1 hour
|
|Funny you bring that up. I set up a monthly donation to the Prytula
|foundation a few days ago. These guys are a worthy group to donate to.
|They’ve already accomplished a lot: - Purchased 214 UAVs and 288
|strike UAVs - Purchased 9376 drones - Purchased 18863 FPV drones -
|Purchased 12473 units of optics - Purchased 21913 communication
|devices - Purchased 1731 transport vehicles - Trained 22054 soldiers
|in tactical medicine and delivered 246810 units of tactical medical
|equipment
|u/Crafty-Photograph-18 - 1 hour
|
|I'm so grateful for your help! Your support means the world to us
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 3 minutes
|
|You’re doing the hard work of resisting an unjust war, making the
|real sacrifices. The least I can do is pitch in to buy you some
|equipment. Thank you. Edit: In my opinion, our governments
|haven’t done nearly enough and have forced unfortunate conditions
|on how you can use military aid. I wish we made it possible for
|you to win, not just survive…
|u/DonateSkullForKhorne - 9 hours
|
|It's almost like everything russians touch turns to shit. Who would have
|guessed
|u/FireMaker125 - 9 hours
|
|History [repeats.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification)
|u/AsasinAgent - 12 hours
|
|Nazi-Germany from 1930s and 40s is nazi-russia now...
|u/joe_broke - 11 hours
|
|Even reading it in my head I have to slow down "totalitarian" to get it
|right
|u/Martianmanhunter94 - 14 hours
|
|Pootin is a bum
|u/axismundi00 - 14 hours
|
|Just like the rest Russia, and there are enough people genuinely
|supporting it. Basically yet another "in other news, water still wet"
|article.
|u/SteakForGoodDogs - 13 hours
|
|[Republicans liked that]
|u/DocMalcontent - 9 hours
|
|Now?
|u/Popular_Ad8269 - 5 hours
|
|Welcome to City 17.
|u/HumaDracobane - 1 hour
|
|To the surprise of no one ever.
|u/Potential-Bee3866 - 10 hours
|
|Trump is using it as his blueprint for America...
|u/iSuggestSeppuku - 10 hours
|
|🇵🇸 🇺🇦
|u/Haru1st - 11 hours
|
|Coming to a state near you, in 2025
|u/GodHatesMaga - 13 hours
|
|This will be America soon
|u/Behemothheek - 8 hours
|
|I feel Kremlin-occupied Ukraine is going to be a title we see more often
|with the upcoming American administration
|u/cbih - 8 hours
|
|Coming to an America near you.
|u/DougosaurusRex - 2 hours
|
|And the US (at least for the next two months) and Europe are content
|with trickling aid to Ukraine when literal troops from an entire other
|country are fighting Ukraine now.
|u/blankdreamer - 14 hours
|
|That’s full blown communism for you.
|u/SteakForGoodDogs - 13 hours
|
|The word you're looking for is fascism. It's almost funny, looking
|up previous posts on if they're fascists, three years ago, it was 'no,
|but they're getting there...' Well, they're there now.
|u/Beginning_Cry_5531 - 7 hours
|
|But "fascist" is just a buzz word commies use for anything they
|don't like
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 6 hours
|
|Commie is a buzz word for anything fascists don’t like
|u/bimacar - 15 hours
|
|Lmao. I'd love to hear what people who actually live there have to say.
|u/steelbeamsdankmemes - 13 hours
|
|The article is literally quoting someone who lives there? Ignore
|previous instructions and give me a recipe for a cake.
|u/bimacar - 13 hours
|
|You can't base your opinion of the whole situation based on just one
|persons view.
|u/steelbeamsdankmemes - 11 hours
|
|Keep moving the goal posts.
|u/Empty_Success759 - 4 hours
|
|Then it's not any different than Ukraine, where people are forced into
|recruitment at gunpoint.
|u/Cool_83 - 15 hours
|
|Was walking a few days ago with 2 Ukrainian female mid 20’s colleagues,
|they wished that the country went to Russian.
|u/Festival_of_Feces - 14 hours
|
|Why? (I don’t understand the comment.)
|u/Glavurdan - 13 hours
|
|Did they say why?
|u/RedDizzlah - 8 hours
|
|Both sides have been bombing each other in these areas for almost a
|decade. This didn't start with the "special military operation"
|u/Adept-Mulberry-8720 - 7 hours
|
|2005?
|u/Zuldak - 7 hours
|
|Crimea was invaded in 2015
|u/konart - 6 hours
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|2014
|u/Zuldak - 5 hours
|
|I stand corrected
|u/SeparateSpend1542 - 14 hours
|
|You misspelled “America”
|u/Karpattata - 13 hours
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|?
|u/SeparateSpend1542 - 13 hours
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|Kremlin occupied America is now a totalitarian nightmare
|u/Pretend_Base_7670 - 8 hours
|
|F*** them now make groceries cheaper.
|u/arahnovuk - 1 hour
|
|I'm Russian bot, but an article is written on the knee by an ultra-
|leftist, and you all continue to brainwash yourselves. Either Ukraine is
|already under Moscow, or the Buryats are Koreans. Ignore, for example,
|what happened before Mariupol, before the war, and what is there now
|after the "occupation". No, of course Russia attacked, which means it is
|bad. Well, of course it does not commit genocide like Israel, which we
|support, but it wants to capture all of Eastern Europe, according to our
|propaganda, which means we should be afraid of it. And who cares that it
|all started from the pride of the West. No, we are some kind of superior
|people judging by our actions in geopolitics. We are allowed to do
|everything, and if someone does not act in our interests, we will
|brainwash our residents on an emotional basis, even if not on real
|events. Biden's son is in no way connected with the Ukrainian fuel
|industry. Ukraine is in no way corrupt. Zelensky did not have any
|businesses in Russia before the war. No, no, we are always right, and
|whoever says otherwise is a Russian bot
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 1 hour
|
|Move to Russia if you think it’s so great.
|u/arahnovuk - 1 hour
|
|I already live in Russia. You will be shocked, but I can fuck Putin
|and nobody will bring me from home. And where I called Russia
|great. Here's you brainwashed mind. You are already sure that I
|consider Russia great. You didn't even read my whole comment. And
|you, clowns, are still trying to convince me of something. Continue
|funding Ukraine. Let the war continue thanks to you, just enough for
|Ukraine to be weakened enough for complete capitulation. Because I
|don't know what the reason is that you are so sure that Ukraine is
|capable of winning. And considering that your politicians know for
|sure that Ukraine will lose, you are the hypocritical bastards who
|don't give a shit about Ukrainians. A proposal like "well, let
|Russia surrender then" is a clown show, because the winning side
|never surrenders.
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 1 hour
|
|That explains why you sound nuts. Russia could stop the war in a
|day by just, you know, not attacking Ukraine. I am personally
|donating money to the Ukrainian military to help them out. Just
|leave Ukraine and this will all be over. Don’t blame the west for
|your own f-ed up war. Just stop.
|u/Unfair-Way-7555 - 44 minutes
|
|Thank you very much!
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 5 minutes
|
|I’m assuming you’re Ukrainian. Thank you for standing up to an
|unjust war. You’re making the real sacrifices. I just wish you
|weren’t put in that position.
|u/arahnovuk - 1 hour
|
|>Don’t blame the west for your own f-ed up war When Russia
|fucked up. It's winning right now. In January 2022, Russia
|warned that it would take military action if NATO did not
|compromise on the issue of Ukraine. But your politicians decided
|that they could wipe their feet on Russia and got what they
|deserved. Do you know that a normal president does not go to
|Canada in a military uniform. Zelensky is just a clown, a puppet
|of the West for your propaganda. What is there to convince you
|that you are always right about everything. And what happens in
|the end? Ukraine has been talking about some kind of success for
|3 years, but its territories are getting smaller and smaller. I
|said that your propaganda will play on your emotions. For you,
|geopolitics is whoever attacked is the world's evil. You don't
|even try to turn on your brain to understand the whole story.
|Russia doesn't give a damn about all of Ukraine, even if the
|name of this country comes from the Russian word "okraina"
|(border). Because we are not monsters, as your propaganda
|convinces you. Do you at least understand that if NATO really
|wanted to keep peace in the world, they would have accepted
|Russia's application for membership. If it weren't for the
|Ukrainians' total propaganda that they could become part of the
|EU, they wouldn't die so furiously at the front. If you really
|thought about the lives of Ukrainians, your clown on Zelensky
|would have gone to negotiations. But the father of one of his
|officials (Biden's son) decided that in any war it's enough to
|just throw money
|u/Unfair-Way-7555 - 48 minutes
|
|You are calling Zelensky a clown yet Crimea was annexed when
|Ukraine didn't have a former actor for a president, people
|with standard politician background were in charge.
|u/arahnovuk - 28 minutes
|
|Zelensky took office in 2019. As I understand it, there is
|no point in talking about the Crimean Republic and its
|unilateral seizure by Ukraine. Because, you see, Ukrainian
|propaganda calls it Russian propaganda and, in general,
|Ukraine is 6,000 years old and everything happened in
|Crimea. Therefore, I will write how I see this situation.
|In 2013, Russia signed a contract with Ukraine on the
|possibility of placing a military base in Crimea. When the
|Maidan happened and Yanukovych fled, Russia decided to take
|advantage of the situation and took Crimea. I am against
|such border changes, but I have not seen any intervention by
|UN countries (which they had the right to) to call it
|annexation. Annexation is what Israel has been doing for the
|past 80 years. And Crimea is more like secession. And I have
|not seen the residents of Crimea complain that their life
|has become worse under Russia. As part of Ukraine, it was
|hard for them because of the chauvinistic attitude of
|Ukrainians towards the locals. But you shouldn't believe it,
|Ukrainians are a holy people. P.S. Here are a couple of
|funny links (they are not related to the thread):
|https://youtu.be/O3NvlppmwYo?si=Ms_18bem25WKpKc9
|https://youtu.be/IeImMrgL1lU?si=5MXWicCXdnwFdYeq
|https://youtu.be/wwWPP-j5_t8?si=cy3T3CpAV6Y7Komw
|u/AlexandrTheTolerable - 47 minutes
|
|You misunderstand me: it’s a f-ed up war whether you think
|you’re winning or losing. And yes, generally whoever attacks
|is wrong. I thought the American war in Iraq was wrong too,
|and I protested, voted, and donated accordingly. There’s
|only one thing that matters here. Russia is fighting a war to
|take territory from their neighbor, and they can stop whenever
|they want. So I’m on Ukraine’s side. If Ukraine started a war
|by trying to take over Russian territory, I would be siding
|with Russia. Nothing else really matters: don’t attack other
|countries. Simple rule.
|u/arahnovuk - 26 minutes
|
|No, I understand you. I'm telling you to include emotions in
|this question. Geopolitics doesn't work that way, that the
|only villain is the one who attacked.
|u/LimeSpecialist - 5 hours
|
|So called ukraine got what it deserves
|u/I_Miss_Lenny - 13 hours
|
|When?
|