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|u/leggitysplit - 20 hours
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|Manipulation tactics never seem to change, sadly.
|u/Punta_Cana_1784 - 19 hours
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|"united states wasted 20 years in Afghanistan. I was laughing at them
|the whole time. Man, they are so stupid. Why would a country invade
|another country and stay for 20 years accomplishing nothing? Only an
|idiotic country with stupid leaders would do a thing like that. So, I
|decided to invade Ukraine almost 11 years ago now! Wow! time flies!
|In another 9 years we will be in Ukraine for 20 years! And please
|don't forget to keep laughing at how stupid the US was for invading a
|country for 20 years! I will never make same mistake as US! Who would
|ever invade a country for so long for purely stupid braindead reasons?
|Who wants a meaningless braindead war for that long?" - Putin
|u/Gnidlaps-94 - 14 hours
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|Hilarious Joke: ask what the Soviets were doing 1979-1989
|u/Janitor_ - 14 hours
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|the soviets or Russians, whatever joke you want to call them. Lost
|in Afghanistan multiple times.
|u/leauchamps - 2 hours
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|EVERYONE loses in Afghanistan! Even the Afghanistanis, if they
|are female
|u/Open_Pineapple1236 - 14 hours
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|Losing badly. Not as bad as Ukraine, but bad.
|u/RampantPrototyping - 12 hours
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|Dont forget they collapsed right after
|u/TheKanten - 12 hours
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|But surely the problem was "the West", not the system of
|government being inherently unsustainable to the point the
|same collapse happened in nearly *every* Communist nation.
|u/Leon-the-Doggo - 9 hours
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|The Russians lost badly because Rambo was helping the Afghans.
|u/Ok-Friendship1076 - 11 hours
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|The US lost like what, nearly 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan over 20
|years, and of those, 2,000 were in combat?
|u/GayPerry_86 - 19 hours
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|Setting the stage for a deal and a declaration of victory perhaps? Why
|suggest that the war was going well if not to claim victory when it
|ends. Russian tea leaf reading is tough. Counter arguments?
|u/Aggravating_Set_8861 - 17 hours
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|Putin's out is Trump. But its really not an out. Putin is way smarter
|than Trump. The US is being eviscerated by Trump, and will be putting
|Trump "loyalists" into cabinet and positions of power. A true,
|absolute, tragedy. Embarrassing. Putin will reconstitute and attack
|again, most likely witihin the next two years. It will definitely
|occur while Trump is in power. You see, I dug trenches. Fired various
|weapons. Spent weeks eating MREs. Went to uncomfortable places. Trump
|is a bitch. A coward. And he will give up a "little" to placate Putin.
|Trump would be throwing women and children aside to get to a rescue
|boat on the Titanic. A true coward. Putin is smart, brutal, and
|egotistical. He can be defeated. Ukraine has been doing it, with help,
|but its Ukrainian badasses on the front lines; with support from rear
|echelons, fucking shit up. Trump is a bitch. Putin is a bitch. They
|will combine to the detriment of Ukraine, and the rest of the world in
|the
|u/GayPerry_86 - 17 hours
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|I completely agree, but I’m more interested in what this propaganda
|means.
|u/internet-arbiter - 12 hours
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|I dunno guys trying to call out propaganda that could be
|detrimental to Ukrainian moral while going right to the comments
|to spread Russian propaganda that would be detrimental to
|Ukrainian moral.
|u/Punta_Cana_1784 - 16 hours
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|Join together and call it The RUkraine (roo-kraine)... much better
|idea than Trump's. Countries joining together should be seen as a
|good thing....i'm talking about a democratic agreement or
|something....not by force. U guys might think im joking, but im not.
|(Im also applying this idea to countries in general...not just
|russia and ukraine)
|u/calrogman - 15 hours
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|It never even occurred to me that you might be smart enough to
|intentionally joke.
|u/ImaginationSea2767 - 18 hours
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|Media and online tiktok youtube reports breaking the news for Putin.
|Putin wants to stop the count for the war right here, just like Trump
|wanted to stop the count on the 2020 election.
|u/PragmaticSparks - 17 hours
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|Yeah the real news. Totally disinformation and manipulation prove.
|u/TonySu - 11 hours
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|Do you honestly think that if this drags on, Russia would lose? With
|Trump’s election and the rise of the right throughout Europe,
|Ukraine’s days are numbered. Trump’s allotments are literally filled
|with anti-Ukraine people, can you honestly say Ukraine can win
|without US aid?
|u/Nanyea - 8 hours
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|They can, but the EU would really need to step up and may even
|need a direct hand :(
|u/andreasbeer1981 - 15 hours
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|I mean, with that kind of leadership, you just need to fallback in the
|center rapidly, wait for them to advance down the road, cut off the
|retreat and then clench em from all sides until they surrender.
|They're more afraid of being shot from the back then walking into a
|trap.
|u/Basketbally - 15 hours
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|That's nice and all but I heard about Ukrainian soldiers surrendering
|en masse after U.S. election!
|u/PragmaticSparks - 18 hours
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|Damm, yeah the REAL news. There's no disinformation in TikTok and
|Instagram.
|u/MeanMomma66 - 17 hours
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|Disinformation is on MSM too! There’s plenty of it to go around,
|can’t leave anyone out!😔
|u/pnellesen - 19 hours
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|So when Katarina's son doesn't return to Moscow from the front in 2
|weeks, what are they gonna tell her? Oh wait, Moscow residents don't
|have to serve, do they?
|u/Punta_Cana_1784 - 19 hours
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|Force Putin to go the frontlines and he'd be shitting his pants
|screaming to bring the troops home. Probably be sitting knee deep in
|his own shit.
|u/According_Smoke1385 - 17 hours
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| so wtf Does Russia have a dept of misinformation? Like office
|buildings just full of Russians on computers interfering with
|everything? Or do they get to work from home.
|u/Rogthgar - 16 hours
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|They do have bot-farms for these kinds of things. Probably makes up a
|huge chunk of the X audience now.
|u/Banksmuth_Squan - 15 hours
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|That's exactly what they have
|u/manfromfuture - 15 hours
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|https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-
|propaganda-report/
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
|u/TheKanten - 11 hours
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|They're not even trying to disguise the Communist symbolism, just
|throw that shit right in your logo.
|u/Aggravating_Set_8861 - 17 hours
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|Yeah, they probably have a department for that.
|u/plumbbbob - 5 hours
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|A lot of news about these operations came out in 2015–2017 — that's
|exactly what they have. The "Internet Research Agency" and other
|"troll farms" are easy to search up. At one point a (Dutch?) newspaper
|had footage from, I think, an unsecured webcam that oversaw one of the
|offices. I think their main focus at the time was Ukraine, but the USA
|was also a major target.
|u/Torak8988 - 19 hours
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|that's a bit desperate by russia so they want to shape the idea that
|ukraine is somehow losing and that the war must end now but at the
|same time, they demand kursk back without anything in return i feel
|like we are going to get another episode of russia shooting itsself in
|the foot by the different propoganda offices making material that
|conflicts with one another, russia lacking a united vision and just
|wasting money on failed efforts
|u/Punta_Cana_1784 - 18 hours
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|Im just waiting for Zelenskyy to write a declaration saying " Ukraine
|recognizes the independence of Russia as Ukrainian territory and Putin
|is illegitimate President." I wonder if Putin would agree with that.
|u/PorkyPorquinho - 16 hours
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|Russia is the mother of lies
|u/Tooterfish42 - 16 hours
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|Must have been [the
|IRA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency)
|u/azraelwolf3864 - 16 hours
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|You do that, then they would let the nukes fly. How about no.
|u/Rogthgar - 16 hours
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|Last time they tried to test one of those, it blew up in the silo.
|u/azraelwolf3864 - 15 hours
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|Do you want to run the risk that all of them will fail?
|u/Ami00 - 14 hours
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|That's nonsense. Everyone knows that Trump promised to end the war in a
|matter of days.
|u/magicfitzpatrick - 7 hours
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|In your dreams Russia
|u/rainbow_killah - 3 hours
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|More like Russian soldiers being decimated by increased meat attacks!
|u/leauchamps - 2 hours
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|They have forgotten about the fact that their troops have been murdering
|Ukraine POWs, so why would they do this. Also the news from Kursk belies
|this bollocks
|u/gachiweeb - 5 hours
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|They've been spreading this fake news en masse before U.S. election too,
|but I guess we focus on the "after U.S. election" part because we got an
|agenda to push?
|u/M1R4X - 20 hours
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|Most shit in the media atm seems to be propaganda from either side
|u/FarawayFairways - 19 hours
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|To a large extent it always has been but a big part of the problem is
|that facts, truth, and well researched information are behind paywalls
|and subscriptions. Bullshit, lies, and conspiracies by contrast are
|both plentiful, accessible, and free to view. America is particularly
|vulnerable in so much as the country confuses 'freedom of speech' with
|'freedom to lie, mislead or ignore unfavourable reporting', so when it
|allows a more powerful medium such as television to openly campaign
|without consequence, the population can be much more easily played by
|private plutocrats I think the rot starts with Reagan, but you can
|definitely draw a line to GWB and the big Iraq lie which caused a lot
|of hitherto trusting believers to start to lose confidence in the
|media, as they came to realise they'd be put away (more palatable to
|accept you were cruelly deceived than admit you were stupid in the
|first place). There was a time when Americans in particular chanted
|the mantra of "freedom" and seemed to be genuinely believe it.
|Nowadays it seems the more frequent use of the word is laced heavily
|with sarcasm
|u/alppu - 18 hours
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|>mantra of "freedom" Freedom is thriving in US. At least the
|freedom from consequences on the top.
|u/jagcalle - 16 hours
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|It started in 1865 when there were no real consequences for the
|politicians and officers on the loosing side…
|u/Syn7axError - 19 hours
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|Totally. And then you have places like Reddit that filter it all with
|upvotes and creates bubbles. But there's still a big difference with
|something like Russia, where the propaganda is legally enforced.
|u/Exciting_Bat_2086 - 19 hours
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|there’s something to be said about media illiteracy aswell
|u/The_Man11 - 16 hours
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|YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, it has all ramped up since the
|election, and it’s all unwatchable.
|u/FickleRegular1718 - 18 hours
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|As far as I can tell Ukraine seems to wield the truth as a sword
|outside of like weapons deliveries timelines and such...
|u/Ok-Maybe6683 - 13 hours
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|the Ukraine info we consume is unbiased
|u/gbs5009 - 6 hours
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|Yeah. Better swill some flagrant Russian propaganda to "balance
|things out" \s
|u/SinkTheBoatsLOL - 8 hours
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|Trump is going to end this war.
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