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|u/Mexer - 19 hours
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|And Ukraine wants its territories back before negotiations. Suck a fat
|dick.
|u/Arashmickey - 14 hours
|
|Kursk? Three words: "New territorial reality" Despicable words no one
|should use, but if you're currently under occupation and there's no
|better option...
|u/aDragonsAle - 13 hours
|
|Sounds like they should just Take Moscow If they can't take it,
|then just bomb it til Russia quits
|u/salad_spinner_3000 - 13 hours
|
|Like 1000 mercenaries almost basically did. Russia is not the big
|bad everyone portrays them as. But, you know, nukes.
|u/yoguckfourself - 12 hours
|
|It’s also incredibly irresponsible to downplay them as a global
|threat
|u/ApproximatelyExact - 11 hours
|
|when they just finished invading the US especially
|u/Hairy_Reindeer - 11 hours
|
|Can't invade the US from the sea or air. They came through
|communications infrastructure, traitors and the banking
|system.
|u/wowaddict71 - 9 hours
|
|Collapsing from within, like many other empires.
|u/space_for_username - 9 hours
|
|~~Guided missile~~ Unguided Idiot hits White House
|u/dead_ed - 9 hours
|
|you forgot churches
|u/Banana_Fries - 6 hours
|
|How has Russia invaded US churches? (genuinely curious
|as I'm mostly ignorant to this sort of news)
|u/Philip_Marlowe - 6 hours
|
|There may be definitive examples of this out there,
|but generally speaking, it's more of a transitive
|property thing. It's well-documented that Russia has
|its hooks in the Republican Party, which also has a
|very strong Christian conservative influence. Hardcore
|Christians almost exclusively vote Republican,
|therefore, they vote in favor of Russian-friendly
|policy that the Republicans push through government.
|u/SeedsOfDoubt - 9 hours
|
|They're not taking our best
|u/mechtaphloba - 8 hours
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|That's what makes it a vulnerability exploitation
|u/yoguckfourself - 8 hours
|
|Just like Hamas
|u/magicone2571 - 7 hours
|
|What I don't get is what they want with us. Like what is the
|end game here? To enslave the human race and worship Putin?
|u/ApproximatelyExact - 7 hours
|
|It's not that complicated. Interest rate of russian
|central bank is 21%, sanctions cause many assets to be
|under control of DOJ. Strengthening crypto, weakening
|the dollar, and as a bonus ensuring the US no longer sends
|aid to Ukraine means putin can have a chance at winning
|the war.
|u/magicone2571 - 6 hours
|
|I don't think that's going to happen personally. No
|matter how much they destabilize the US.
|u/ApproximatelyExact - 6 hours
|
|I don't think he'll win but he still has to do
|everything he can to try, it's his only chance to stay
|in power. Unfortunately I think the US still ends up
|weaker (probably helping China) even if it doesn't
|work.
|u/ieatthosedownvotes - 12 hours
|
|This is why Biden should give Ukraine a few dozen nukes as a
|presidential parting gift.
|u/Suspicious_Bicycle - 10 hours
|
|Well since Putin violated the agreement where Ukraine traded
|it's nukes for peace, how could Putin complain if Ukraine got
|some nukes back?
|u/Least-Cup79 - 11 hours
|
|lol wtf....???????
|u/Thelango99 - 11 hours
|
|That would be quite the move.
|u/Amazing-Treat-8706 - 9 hours
|
|Instant deterrence. You’re acting like they’d nuke each
|other. In reality it would neutralize russias nuclear
|threat completely.
|u/aDragonsAle - 13 hours
|
|I think if there's enough Intel and m40a5's with plenty of ammo,
|the nukes wouldnt be too big of a worry either.
|u/Lukas316 - 6 hours
|
|Which we wonder if they even work.
|u/xtothewhy - 4 hours
|
|I mean, honestly. At what point, does Ukraine say fuck it, this is
|bullshit.
|u/SomaforIndra - 12 hours
|
|General Arm Chair Idea: Ukraine pulls all the way back saves
|Resources Waits, until just be before negotiations complete, then
|pushes all the way to Kazakhstan, snipping off Russia's entire
|dick... and all supply lines and oil etc. OF course Russia will
|tear up the agreement, but who cares? haha As though they would
|have honored it anyway. And what an epic slap in the face
|beautiful psychological warfare.
|u/dpzdpz - 13 hours
|
|It worked against Hanoi /s
|u/emurange205 - 9 hours
|
|They quit bombing Hanoi every time the North pretended that they
|wanted to negotiate.
|u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT - 7 hours
|
|The only good thing about orange man coming back is that you
|little dweeby warhawks will have to find something else to jerk
|off to. I can’t wait until this war is over.
|u/Thymelap - 18 hours
|
|"We'll leave when you leave"
|u/LeoThePom - 16 hours
|
|No, you hang up. ☺️
|u/Temujhin - 16 hours
|
|No, you first
|u/Few-Percentage-3426 - 15 hours
|
|“I drone you” “No I drone you more”
|u/elralpho - 15 hours
|
|You would tell me if you wanted to annex a cuter former soviet
|republic, right?
|u/tinypluto - 13 hours
|
|Are you on about that again... I *told* you that Estonia
|means nothing to me. We just share a boarder.
|u/Osiris32 - 4 hours
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|Estonia doesn't like you, anyway! She's seeing NATO now,
|and quite happy.
|u/Myyrti - 13 hours
|
|I drone you always one more as you drone me
|u/Few-Percentage-3426 - 10 hours
|
|I drone you 3000
|u/blacksideblue - 8 hours
|
|"Would you intercept me?' "I'd intercept me"
|u/ScottNewman - 13 hours
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|Nyet
|u/fastRabbit - 12 hours
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|How bout neow?
|u/pyr666 - 13 hours
|
|and. then. they. *fucked.*
|u/Hyperious3 - 11 hours
|
|India has the chance to come out as a real geopolitical badass here
|and act as the supervisor force of a mutual demobilization by both
|Ukraine and Russia from occupied territory. China and the US are
|too far to either camp to be trusted, and no one else really has the
|capability to do a large deployment like that.
|u/InsanelyAverageFella - 16 hours
|
|This should be the literal words in the official reply.
|u/tilmanbaumann - 16 hours
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|That literally is the Ukrainian peace offer at this point
|u/waiting4singularity - 14 hours
|
|so thats why they went all in on that campaign, i guess.
|u/Valentiaga_97 - 13 hours
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|Back to the border of 2014, before the annexation of crimea
|u/lord_dentaku - 16 hours
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|Yeah, including Crimea.
|u/IllustriousAct1666 - 14 hours
|
|Exactly, return the territory taken from ukraine and you get kursk
|back.
|u/Juxtapoisson - 7 hours
|
|IDK, seems like Ukraine should demand for there to be new country so
|that it doesn't have russia on its border.
|u/dlanod - 5 hours
|
|Russia just invaded through Belarus. Having a puppet state in
|between means nothing.
|u/Aptosauras - 1 hour
|
|Ukraine successfully defends Kursk Oblast, takes Belgorod as well.
|Renames the area North Ukraine and treats it as a self governing
|territory of Ukraine. Ukraine gets accepted into NATO, but
|leaves North Ukraine under the protection of Ukraine but not NATO.
|Boom, Russia has a buffer state that isn't a part of NATO, but is
|defended by Ukraine.
|u/ieatthosedownvotes - 12 hours
|
|They should also give Ukraine their nukes back. And all the people
|that they kidnapped. Then negotiations.
|u/phormix - 15 hours
|
|Yeah, seems like a good point of those negotiations would be trading
|back territory. Ukraine would be foolish to give up something for
|nothing
|u/cornmonger_ - 15 hours
|
|a big ol' blue and yellow dick
|u/SeparateImpact4 - 14 hours
|
|Ewwww….
|u/VoidOmatic - 12 hours
|
|Yup Ukraine should actually get more land for Russia in any
|negotiations. They were just minding their own business before Putins
|'special' military operation.
|u/kaisadilla_ - 13 hours
|
|Yeah, what kind of bullshit is this? "First you give me everything I
|want and then we start talking about what you'll give me in addition
|to that to stop attacking you."
|u/alliewya - 7 hours
|
|The kind of bullshit you get when you own the incoming president of
|unified America
|u/Techn0ght - 13 hours
|
|"What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine".
|u/Nymaz - 6 hours
|
|Russia: "Your country my choice."
|u/justoneanother1 - 12 hours
|
|It's quite fitting that musk now defacto secretary of state in the US,
|because this is his kind of childish logic.
|u/thisideups - 8 hours
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|🤌👍
|u/Goku420overlord - 8 hours
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|Agreed. The hypocrisy.
|u/dared3vil0 - 7 hours
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|Kursk can be the Ukrainian Kaliningrad.
|u/ElliotAlderson2024 - 12 hours
|
|Ukraine isn't in any position to negotiate if Russia breaks through in
|the Donbas.
|u/VR_Zeus - 20 hours
|
|Wait what ? Russia want territory back but want to keep ulraine lands?
|... get out of here with this none sense
|u/ricobirch - 19 hours
|
|It's because they think Kursk will be retaken. Putin will keep
|throwing North Koreans at it until the lines shift back over the
|border.
|u/WindHero - 18 hours
|
|Also because regaining Kursk through negotiations rather than
|military force is a huge humiliation. They won't negotiate before
|they have Kursk. Asking for Kursk in a negotiation would make them a
|laughing stock in the current "strong man" led world order.
|u/Sunnysidhe - 15 hours
|
|The biggest issue is that to get Kursk back they would have to
|give up claims to some of the Ukrainian land they have made. If
|they give up claims to one piece then they are admitting that they
|don't have any right to any of it. They have no right to any land
|in Ukraine, but they seem to believe it is their right. Even to
|parts they do not even hold. That's the level of crazy you are
|dealing with.
|u/Longjumping_Whole240 - 13 hours
|
|>That's the level of crazy you are dealing with. Another crazy
|part, they written 5 Ukrainian oblasts including Crimea as
|"Russian territory" in their constitution. Even made Sevastopol
|a federal city, a status shared with Moscow and St Petersburg.
|u/Sunnysidhe - 13 hours
|
|They are basically just doubling down with "If I say it is
|mine, then it is mine"
|u/Startech303 - 12 hours
|
|I remember something like this at school, when I was about 5
|years old
|u/GalFisk - 11 hours
|
|Which is tragically the emotional age of many people in
|power these days.
|u/CrustyM - 10 hours
|
|Because geopoliticaly, that's how it works. When states
|decide to ignore inconvenient social or political
|contracts/constructs, it boils down to might makes
|right. You throw your flag in the ground and say,
|what the fuck you gonna do about it? Thankfully, those
|wonderfully crazy Ukranians did the exact same to
|Russia. It's not a fair exchange because I'd argue
|Russia has captured more value overall but it's
|incredible leverage.
|u/mothtoalamp - 7 hours
|
|They did this specifically so that they could have a formal
|(no matter how flimsy) justification for keeping the
|territory. It makes it harder to explain to someone uneducated
|in or unaware of the issue why it isn't okay, particularly
|anyone Russian.
|u/Ambitious-Reindeer62 - 11 hours
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|The one piece is reaaal!
|u/BubsyFanboy - 17 hours
|
|Yeah, that would be a surrender to the "other guys'" belief.
|u/jpw0w - 17 hours
|
|>Asking for Kursk in a negotiation would make them a laughing
|stock in the current "strong man" led world order. Except who are
|the actual ''strong man''? North Korea? China? lol. Russia is one
|if not the only trying to put on that facade, and we're seeing how
|well that's going for them
|u/Easy-Sector2501 - 16 hours
|
|There's a 250 lb oompaloompa about the take the White House that
|qualifies..
|u/fallwind - 16 hours
|
|He lost weight?
|u/dxrey65 - 15 hours
|
|You rarely see people who are very old and very fat. One
|reason is the effect of obesity on life expectancy, but
|another reason is that it is physically very hard for a body
|to maintain an obese state in old age. Losing weight is a
|part of the process of decline in advanced age.
|u/Sinaaaa - 15 hours
|
|yes actually, looks way less bloated
|u/WolfgangDS - 13 hours
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|That would be the girdle.
|u/thefifththwiseman - 16 hours
|
|He's between diarrhea and McDonald's so it's around that
|number
|u/2legit86 - 10 hours
|
|Still better than the alternative. Miss “in my term” blah
|blah blah. She’s the vice president of the country. Now is
|her term and they’re doing absolutely nothing.
|u/jdm1891 - 6 hours
|
|People always seem to think China is a big bad that is Russias
|greatest friend. China isn't a Russian friend. They like the
|west more than they like Russia. They tolerate Russia because it
|weakens the west. A weaker west is a stronger China. But they
|don't want a weak west, they want an equal west (or ideally,
|they want the west to be a "near peer"). That only works to a
|point though. China doesn't want war, they prefer diplomacy
|(aggressive diplomacy but still diplomacy). They'll never
|declare on Taiwan - they will just slowly gain influence over
|it's people until it turns. They'll promise the Taiwanese
|whatever they want. Generally they keep their promises too, a
|strategy the US has not yet figured out, because people will see
|that they keep their promises and make bigger pacts where China
|gets more. So if China is so nice, why do they help Russia?
|Simple: They want the war to continue so Russia is weakened. If
|you imagine power as a finite resource, russia and the west
|fighting and losing it means more for China. Their strategy is
|essentially exactly what the US's strategy was in WW1 and WW2.
|Back the side with the most to lose and give them just enough
|support for them to bleed themselves dry. Exactly what the west
|is currently doing in fact. Because the West is giving Ukraine
|weapons, China sneakily gives Russia some weapons so more
|Russians die. If China gave Russia no help, the war would be
|more one sided and that is bad for China. Making it as equal as
|possible is good for China. China does what is good for China.
|If the Russians were to suddenly get a lot more power, and had a
|chance of increasing their geopolitical influence greatly by
|winning. Such that their gained power is more than what was lost
|by attrition - just you watch how quickly they see China's
|wrath. China gives Russia weapons not because they want Russia
|to win, but because they want Russia to fight... as long as
|possible. To lose as much as men possible. To make the Russian
|population as war weary as possible. To make Putin as weak as
|possible. What about Ukraine? Why don't they give Ukraine
|weapons? The west is already doing that for them. They don't
|want their "ally" getting suspicious either. And the west? Why
|would China prefer the west over Russia? The west has money.
|China likes money. A strong Russia is still an oligarchal Russia
|which is not easy to trade with. China doesn't really like
|Russia as a trade partner because of that. A weak west wouldn't
|have a big economy which would be bad for China, they want that
|money. A stronger west than China though - has power over China,
|which reduces their ability to profit from it. So in regards
|what is the best for China? A very weak Russia in a war to keep
|them occupied, and a peer or near peer west which has a massive
|economy but is just weak enough to prevent the west from taking
|advantage of China. (Preferably just weak enough for China to
|take advantage of the west like what was done to them over the
|last 200 years). China's ideal world order: China, West
|(profitable trading partner), Britain (revenge), Russia (might
|sell them Siberia). What china IS NOT doing though, is trying
|to "spread authoritarianism". They don't give a shit if other
|countries are authoritarian or not. The people who are calling
|china and Russia "dictator buddies" have no clue what China's
|motives and goals are. China joins the "dictator club" for
|reasons of getting some members of that club in trouble, and
|making the west look weak. Those countries are not China's
|allies or friends.
|u/i81u812 - 10 hours
|
|Come to think of it we ain't heard shit from Kim since the US
|election..
|u/Sutar_Mekeg - 13 hours
|
|They'll never get Kursk back.
|u/frostymugson - 7 hours
|
|Maybe, but it’s actually a huge hand in Ukraine in terms of
|bargaining. We want to keep this portion of Ukraine, ok then we
|keep your territory. Ukraine actually has a bargaining chip when
|they’re negotiating with Russian territory, without it they don’t
|have a position to strong arm in negotiations.
|u/Pirate_Ben - 15 hours
|
|I think this is less of an issue. They just want a better
|negotiating position before negotiations start and are confident
|(rightly or wrongly, I cannot say) in their ability to retake it.
|u/kaisadilla_ - 13 hours
|
|They may lose Trump's respect and that'd be a disaster after 10
|years of Russian work to get Trump into power.
|u/dasunt - 10 hours
|
|They are currently a laughing stock internationally. It's been
|almost three years into their "three day" military operation and
|they are now relying on North Koreans to prop up their military.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 18 hours
|
|It will be going off the situation. It just may not be for another
|2-10 years.
|u/nekonight - 18 hours
|
|Kursk is special to Ukraine they can give ground there for an
|advantage. Recently they intentionally gave ground to chew up a
|mass attack then took the area back. It's chewing up russian
|troops at a much higher rate than any Ukrainian front because of
|that.
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 17 hours
|
|Which is called “defense in depth” or an “elastic defense”. Give
|up space to inflict damage. Do it well enough, and you do enough
|damage to take the space back.
|u/Arendious - 17 hours
|
|Particularly effective in this case, where the space being
|chewed up in the process is Russian.
|u/SirEDCaLot - 7 hours
|
|> Give up space to inflict damage. Ukraine did that
|spectacularly at the start of the war. Russia was expecting
|hard defenses at the border but there was virtually nothing.
|Ukraine let Russia push far into Ukraine very quickly, then
|just as Russia overextended their supply lines, Ukraine got
|all their columns bogged down with ambushes and the oncoming
|rainy / muddy season. They made great use of their very
|talented sniper teams there. Now of course drones are the
|weapon of the day. Get near a UA position and you'll find a
|bunch of little 3d printed hobby drones with grenades on their
|belly flying around. Big drone flies recon overwatch, little
|suicide drone(s) fuck shit up. You get a grenade up your ass
|and the video of you getting blown up gets posted on Telegram
|a day later.
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 6 hours
|
|The footage of the long column in slow traffic getting
|bushwhacked by Ukrainians with Javelins from the early days
|of the war is burned into my memory.
|u/DomiNatron2212 - 17 hours
|
|Defense in depth is more akin to castles where you have many
|lines of defense you can continue falling back to.
|u/DuckDatum - 16 hours
|
|For those like me that didn’t know about Defense in Depth:
|- Success often hinges on effective coordination of reserves
|and the ability to exploit the attacker’s overextension. -
|It works best when the defender has the strategic depth to
|trade territory for the ability to regroup and
|counterattack. - Defense in depth thrives on the interplay
|of space, time, and attrition. You can often trade space for
|time.
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 16 hours
|
|It applies here too, Russia and Ukraine. Both have so much
|open space. It’s not just what they’ve been doing now but
|also in history, such as WW2.
|u/DomiNatron2212 - 16 hours
|
|Retreating into expanse isn't what defense in depth means
|though. It's also a term in cybersecurity for the same
|concept, multiple layers of defenses expecting the first
|layers to fail eventually
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 16 hours
|
|Well, has Ukraine’s retreats or is the Surovikin Line
|“expanse”? Or are there defensive points and lines that
|both sides follow?
|u/Starrion - 13 hours
|
|The fact that the Russians are stuck using their oldest and
|less combat capable reserve equipment isn’t helping any. If
|the negotiations drag on, the Red army may be truck borne
|infantry.
|u/MegatronTheGOAT87 - 18 hours
|
|They can treat it like the battle of Verdun via the German
|perspective
|u/ManOfWarts - 17 hours
|
|[All the armored assaults remind me of Kursk during
|WW2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk)
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 18 hours
|
|The Russians have more meat for the grinder than Ukraine. It
|doesn’t really matter. This is what we’ve been seeing for the
|last 2 years
|u/Randommaggy - 18 hours
|
|Thankfully Russia is starting to run low on heavy gear.
|u/angelbelle - 17 hours
|
|Guess which side is also going to run low on gear with the
|recent election results
|u/CarniferousChicken - 17 hours
|
|Yet they are strengthening ties with allies in the east who
|are all gearing up the war machine while the west sits
|mostly idle. The states bordering Russia are the only ones
|who really seem to get it.
|u/klonkrieger43 - 17 hours
|
|do you think that by any measure China and North Korea
|have given Russia just a fraction of the supply that the
|West has given Ukraine? On what kind of copium are you?
|u/ren_reddit - 16 hours
|
|north korea has given russia 5+ million 155mm shells
|u/klonkrieger43 - 16 hours
|
|oh yeah, ammo is surely on the side of the warring
|countries with a running mass production. How many
|tanks though? Especially ones like the Leopard 2?
|Himars equivalents? The West doesn't fight on
|quantity, but quality. I'd prefer if the quantity were
|bigger but if you have a PzH2000 you only need to send
|one shell to hit a target, not with a North Korean
|artillery.
|u/exidebm - 16 hours
|
|umm yeah just a few shahed drones, a few million
|artillery shells, a few thousand soldiers
|u/klonkrieger43 - 16 hours
|
|and the West has only given Ukraine $380 billion in
|aid. Peanuts.
|u/CarniferousChicken - 17 hours
|
|And how big is the hole in the ground your head is
|buried in to not see that all those weapons have not
|helped, we need MORE! Russia is currently gaining more
|ground than ever in Ukraine, the US will soon halt aid
|due to Trump, and the Russian army, despite its heavy
|loses is only GROWING in size. That is not
|sustainable, and if you think it is, you're delusional.
|Ukraine would be so much better if people like you who
|believe the West is doing enough would just keep quiet.
|Traitorous behavior to sell our Ukrainian brothers and
|sisters out like that.
|u/anonimogeronimo - 6 hours
|
|Let Europe take care of European wars.
|u/klonkrieger43 - 17 hours
|
|Sure Ukraine needs more, still it is far more support
|than Russia receives.
|u/jdm1891 - 5 hours
|
|As I said in my previous comment. China is not Russia's
|ally. China's only goal here is to make the war drag on
|to make Russia weak and make the west _seem_ weak (but
|they don't want the west to be actually weak, they want
|the west to be equal or near equal to them, because that
|is the most profitable arrangement). North Korea is not
|Russia's friend. NK just made a deal with the devil for
|everything they could ever want. In fact the recent
|Russia/NK pairing has gotten China pretty wary. This is
|bad for them and you may very well see China pulling
|support because NK pushes the war too far in Russia's
|favour. Really, geopolitically. Both the west and China
|would like the war to drag on and on. Because it weakens
|Russia. The west wants this because Russia is to
|aggressive for their liking. China wants this for economic
|reasons (and also because Russia's aggressiveness is
|making their western trade less profitable).
|u/ZetaRESP - 18 hours
|
|Ukraine has a better grinder than Russia, so far.
|u/ZetaRESP - 17 hours
|
|Russia is not really growing in size. It's just they
|already had too many pepple in the back burner and are
|just bringing it forward.
|u/CarniferousChicken - 17 hours
|
|https://www.statista.com/statistics/1334454/russian-
|armed-forces-personnel/ Facts
|u/ZetaRESP - 14 hours
|
|Most of them were forced conscripts, everybody knows
|that. They may be getting more soldiers, but they are
|getting less and less meat with that. And the only
|allied that sent them troops and they got hooked with
|porn.
|u/PublicEnemaNumberOne - 18 hours
|
|Sunflowers need fertilized.
|u/Blackicecube - 17 hours
|
|Their economy cares. So many working age men dying plus
|sanctions is starting to hurt. It's why they needed North
|Koreans for the grinder but I doubt they are unlimited supply
|too.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 17 hours
|
|They don’t care enough or there would’ve been another
|revolution by now.
|u/UrBoySergio - 18 hours
|
|They have bodies but lack equipment
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 17 hours
|
|They do, but it’s not inexhaustible or can spent without
|worry. Ever rising signing bonuses and bringing North Koreans
|are a sign of that. And now they’ve slashed payouts for their
|wounded. Yet no mobilization.
|u/Endemoniada - 14 hours
|
|Ukraine has a reason to fight until the last person. Russia
|doesn’t. And the sooner Russians figure this out and ”deal”
|with their Putin infection, the better for everyone involved.
|u/Zeremxi - 14 hours
|
|The problem with that logic is that it's an offshoot of the
|same logic people were saying in 2022 as to why the war
|wouldn't last two weeks. And then why it wouldn't last two
|months. And then why it wouldn't last past the winter season.
|And then why it should have ended earlier this year. Fact is,
|it's a lot harder to take land than to defend it. The numbers
|reflect that.
|u/laetus - 15 hours
|
|Ahh the Russian talking points. "Ukraine can't defend against
|Russia" *Ukraine doesn't immediately fall* "Ukraine won't be
|able to survive winter" *Ukraine survives winter* "Ukraine
|can't take back land" *Ukraine takes Russian territory*
|"Ukraine doesn't have enough people to defend" *Russia has to
|lure in North Korean troops to help their own* "...."
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 13 hours
|
|Ukraine has foreign fighters and money flowing into it.
|They’ve lost more ground since their offensive than they’ve
|gained. Let’s come back here in 2 years and see how it
|looks. I’m all for Ukraine winning, but they are still
|losing more ground than they’ve taken.
|u/laetus - 12 hours
|
|Ah, more russian talking points. And no. I won't be
|coming back here in 2 years to see how it looks because
|I'll just block you in a bit because you had nothing
|interesting to say.
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 17 hours
|
|All Putin’s doing is fertilizing Kursk with North Koreans.
|u/ki11bunny - 11 hours
|
|That's how you get worms
|u/Nymaz - 6 hours
|
|"Nyet, I know you are all starving, but you cannot eat the
|sunflower seeds. Those are for... [other
|purposes](https://youtu.be/L17Bi7zBJHI?si=IFsjVuE4i2Y1PPpP&t=21)."
|u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 - 14 hours
|
|That's OK. We keep increasing weapons supplies from Europe to
|Ukraine and eventually enough North Koreans will have been killed
|for South Korea to push north to The Chinese border without
|resistance!
|u/QualifiedApathetic - 7 hours
|
|If only. I don't see Kim sending a significant number of his 7.5
|million military personnel, counting paramilitary and reserves.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 17 hours
|
|Or at least that's what Putin is ordering and hoping for. We all
|know he's never going to blame himself for his failures.
|u/attorneyatslaw - 16 hours
|
|North Korea is going to walk away too if they do too much of that.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|On the bright side, if vlad keeps breaking these peasants, I can
|sell him even more- like planned obsolescence! /s
|u/DrDerpberg - 14 hours
|
|Nah it's because they're assholes. They've had the same basic
|attitude towards "peace talks" since the beginning. Remember when
|they were offering peace if Ukraine recognized the annexed
|territories? It would have involved Ukraine leaving parts of its
|territories that Russia had never controlled.
|u/RogueEyebrow - 14 hours
|
|"We will fight until the last North Korean!"
|u/destroyer1474 - 13 hours
|
|How long before assaults decimate their lines and Ukraine returns
|the numbers advantage to relatively even? 50,000 troops including
|more of your elite troops won't last long taking casualties in the
|200-400 per day
|u/Apexnanoman - 13 hours
|
|Yup. 26 million people in NK. Figure that gives Putin cheap and easy
|access to 10 million+ fanatical biobots.
|u/Undernown - 8 hours
|
|Ideally he would want to throw only Koreans on that bonfire. But
|realistically atleast about half will have to be Russians to keep
|things under control, not to mention translators, opperations staff,
|logistics. And judging by the recent casualty rate and the barely
|shifting lines, it's not going ro plan so far.
|u/SuccessionWarFan - 4 hours
|
|Is the line even shifting? If yes, by how much? And even if he’s
|using troops and materiel he considers disposable, how much has
|Russia lost?
|u/MrCockingFinally - 16 hours
|
|Man, people read headlines and don't actually know what is going on.
|A while ago, Russia was making a big noise about being willing to
|negotiate. IIRC, this was before Kursk. Their conditions? Ukraine
|abandon their defensive positions, let Russia occupy ALL the
|territories it claims to have annexed, and THEN negotiations can
|start. It's an absolute joke, but all most people will hear is a
|headline saying "Russia open to negotiations."
|u/TricksterPriestJace - 11 hours
|
|Russia has been willing to negotiate Ukraine'sUkraine's surrender
|since day one. It doesn't fucking mean anything.
|u/RailRuler - 9 hours
|
|In the Georgia-Russia, war, when Georgia surrendered, Russia marched
|in and stole/wrecked their ENTIRE REMAINING STOCK OF MILITARY
|HARDWARE. What's the point of surrendering then?
|u/Illustrious-Home4610 - 3 hours
|
|Historically, I think it was the hope of not being slaughtered.
|u/ieatthosedownvotes - 12 hours
|
|Yeah, it's more like "Russia open to 'negotiations'"
|u/MrCockingFinally - 7 hours
|
|Russia willing to accept Ukraine'e surrender.
|u/Marionberry_Bellini - 8 hours
|
|Realistically it’s been “neither party is open to negotiations” for
|the entirety of the war. Neither Ukraine nor Russia seems open to
|ceding anything for a cease fire or peace treaty so the war trudges
|on until (most likely) the West gets sick of supporting Ukraine at
|some point and they have to take a bad deal. It’s not a good, but I
|don’t really see another way that this war ends.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 18 hours
|
|"Rules for thee, not for me!"
|u/SmokedBeef - 15 hours
|
|>Ukraine not “budging” They wiped out an entire battalion in the
|last week, they’re doing much more than not budging and it’s
|absolutely beautiful
|u/Super_XIII - 15 hours
|
|Russia's plan is to ask for a white peace that ceases the conflict and
|each side gets to keep the land they currently control. The problem
|with that is while Russia has captured a lot of Ukranian land, Ukraine
|has captured Kursk, which is russian controlled. Russia wants to
|recapture it before Trump takes office so that they will only gain
|land during such a peace deal.
|u/slash312 - 17 hours
|
|Russian logic
|u/Successful-Sand686 - 19 hours
|
|Trump : it’s a DEAL!
|u/VR_Zeus - 18 hours
|
|The point of that incursion into russian territory was to have a
|bargain chip when negociation starts.
|u/gmc98765 - 12 hours
|
|The point was so that Russia doesn't even consider asking to
|simply freeze the conflict. Because that would require accepting
|the loss of Russian territory. With Trump looming on the horizon,
|the biggest threat to Ukraine was its "allies" pressuring it to
|accept a ceasefire. But as long as Kursk remains under Ukrainian
|control, a ceasefire on the current lines would be as unacceptable
|to Russia as it is to Ukraine. So that's no longer a concern.
|u/Successful-Sand686 - 18 hours
|
|When Trump takes power. There’s not any way things get better.
|u/Ok_Zookeepergame4794 - 18 hours
|
|Things will get better... for Russia that is.
|u/DirkTheSandman - 16 hours
|
|You see, according to russia, that territory already belongs to them.
|They wont pull out because it’s theirs
|u/DGer - 14 hours
|
|Of course this was what they’d want all along. Guess who probably
|wants to give it to them?
|u/Yukimor - 13 hours
|
|If you read the article, title is misleading. Russia isn’t demanding
|the land back before negotiations. It’s trying to win it back through
|military action, while Ukraine defends their hold on Kursk. The
|headline does sure sound like something Putin would actually say
|though.
|u/Gryphon5754 - 8 hours
|
|Everyone is saying Trump will have peace in Ukraine. He won't do it
|through a peace deal, he will do it through Ukrainian surrender
|u/PerfectAstronaut - 19 hours
|
|The crybully playbook
|u/Nonsense_Producer - 19 hours
|
|Crybully. Going to steal that one. Thanks.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 17 hours
|
|>someone who intimidates or harasses others while claiming to be a
|victim of ill treatment
|u/armeniapedia - 15 hours
|
|Seriously. I could never find the right word to describe Azerbaijan.
|This is perfect. Closest I could get before was sore losers and
|sore winners, the latter being the most deplorable of course.
|u/10art1 - 12 hours
|
|More like Armenia. You can't just arm terrorists to de mare
|independence in another country and then act surprised when there
|is a military response. Armenia is 100% acting just like Russia in
|that scenario. Just because the land used to belong to you at some
|point in history, and the people there are overwhelmingly your
|same ethnicity, and they are suppressing that ethnicity in favor
|of your own, that doesn't mean you get to just blatantly violate
|international law and engage in hostilities while providing the
|thinnest veneer of deniability.
|u/PerfectAstronaut - 17 hours
|
|yep, didn't have my glasses
|u/lurker_101 - 11 hours
|
|**Putin :** You invaded me so I can invade you again **Zelensky :**
|But you invaded already?!? **Putin :** Nuh Uhhh!! Now give Kursk back
|.. that's not fair! *.. hope he falls down some stairs and messes his
|diaper again*
|u/Dude_I_got_a_DWAVE - 19 hours
|
|Kremlin: makes outrageous lies and demands The west: “let’s meet them
|in the middle” Kremlin: “insanity just got us free shit” THIS NEEDS TO
|END
|u/monkeyspearfish2000 - 14 hours
|
|“Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards
|him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust
|man." A.R. Moxon
|u/Willing-Pain8504 - 13 hours
|
|Which is why conservatives refuse gun control.
|u/nagrom7 - 7 hours
|
|Conservatives are in no position to criticise anyone for acting
|like the above.
|u/haironburr - 10 hours
|
|Which is why ~~conservatives~~ liberals ~~refuse~~ demand ever-
|increasing gun control. This being one reason we have the
|clusterfuck of russian-worshipping ball cancer that is a trump
|administration, and subsequently, Ukraine will get screwed.
|Having typed all that out, it occurs to me I just replied to a 2
|month old account with 138 karma. Are you being paid in rubles to
|stir up shit, and did I just fall for it?
|u/distantlistener - 9 hours
|
|There are always shallow FUD fomenters about Democratic
|Presidential candidates, threatening amorphous "gun control".
|I'd love to see what significant "gun control" resulted from
|Obama's or Biden's administrations. Absolutists about the 2nd
|Amendment but apologists about the 1st and 14th (to name just
|two that are especially topical)? I simply can't respect it.
|u/haironburr - 8 hours
|
|>I'd love to see what significant "gun control" resulted from
|Obama's or Biden's administrations. We're talking about
|Ukraine here, and the incoming administration's probable
|willingness to cast their well-being to the winds (a stance I
|find morally abhorrent). So I don't want to turn this into a
|debate about US domestic politics that have nothing to do with
|the post. However... Someone just suggested I misinterpreted
|their comment, and it was in fact comparing Dems on gun
|control to Putin. In any case, I'll ask a brief question.
|Yes, I'm pretty much an absolutist on 2A issues, and we can
|both read a major party's platform. Despite this stance, I
|voted Harris, as a lesser of evils, and my vote lost. Sadly,
|Dems use guns like Repubs use trans kids and ovary control.
|That's my own one sentence rant. But I honestly don't
|understand "apologists about the 1st and 14th". It's of
|course not your job to educate me, but I'd be open to hearing
|what you meant by that phrase, because it sailed right over my
|head. If you take the time to respond, I promise I'll listen
|with as open a mind as I can conjure.
|u/distantlistener - 7 hours
|
|To circle-back on my notion of being "an absolutist on 2A
|issues", I'm not convinced that you are, at least with what
|little I know of your positions regarding the broad
|regulatory questions relating to firearms. For example, I
|consider one to be an "absolutist" when they outright reject
|*any* regulation concerning gun ownership, even when far
|from a "gun grab": universal background checks to
|reduce/eliminate loopholes for those with violent crime
|convictions or substantiated domestic violence history?
|"No." Regulating/banning bump stocks that effectively yield
|an automatic weapon? "No." Allowing a pediatrician to simply
|inquire about whether a gun is in the home, so they can
|advise about the very real health/life risks? "No." As a
|"liberally-minded" person, myself, I own guns and have a
|carry permit in both MN and WA. I'm fine with arguing the
|finer points of what regulating/banning "assault weapons"
|actually means, along with how you can accurately measure
|effectiveness (or lack thereof); but outright rejection of
|doing *anything*, along with bad-faith minimizing of the
|brutal motivations for seeking such laws? Ain't got time for
|that.
|u/distantlistener - 7 hours
|
|> It's of course not your job to educate me, but I'd be open
|to hearing what you meant by that phrase, because it sailed
|right over my head. If you take the time to respond, I
|promise I'll listen with as open a mind as I can conjure.
|Well, I appreciate a willingness to understand. Beginning
|with 1A, this election cycle has seen MAGA/GOP/Conservatives
|making wild claims about 'Kamala's going to abolish the 1st
|Amendment.' Generally, these absurd claims appear to arise
|from the belief that the pushback on far-right talking
|points (of the misinformation/disinformation flavor) *on
|social media* or *the* so-called *liberal* *media* is
|somehow an egregious curtailing of "freedom of speech" --
|when, in fact, the 1st Amendment is literally a protection
|*from* **the** **government** abridging those freedoms
|(citizen speech, religion, press, assembly, redress). Beyond
|the right of private platforms to regulate the content that
|they host, the 1A protections *from* **government**
|censorship or retribution are widely recognized as **not**
|absolute. ('FIRE! in theater' is the typical go-to example,
|but also litigation of slander and libel, obscenity; in the
|past 10 years or so, laws have also caught up with "revenge
|p*rn", for example.) By contrast, Trump and his ilk have
|made it their brand to champion the attack of the press
|(*everything* he doesn't like said about him is a distortion
|or "fake news"; he's shown contempt for the right to protest
|so-called "radical liberal" (i.e., mainstream liberal)
|causes like police brutality or egregious economic
|disparities, often lazily grouping protestors with rioters.
|Do a simple web search for *Trump* *1st Amendment* *attack*
|and let me know if you cannot find reputable sources (by
|*your* measure) that demonstrate the disparity between
|Trump's rhetoric/action and, say, Biden's or Kamala's
|rhetoric/action. The 14th Amendment is easier, I think.
|Trump ignorantly parrots the notion of taking abortion "back
|to the states", but it was *DECADES* of Supreme Court
|precedent, founded on the 14th Amendment -- see section "XI"
|of [Roe v Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)](https://supreme.justia.
|com/cases/federal/us/410/113/) -- that he and his party
|sanctioned the flippant discarding of. (And it was indeed
|*sanctioned*, because of how and who they selected for SC
|Justices.) Setting aside the torching of decades of
|precedent affirming pre-1st Trimester abortion as
|*Constitutionally* protected, consider the issue from a
|pregnant woman's perspective: you formerly had a *right* to
|equitable reproductive healthcare affirmed *by the
|Constitution*, and that **right** was literally taken away
|and "given back" to the states. Like, do you think the
|precedent of DC v Heller (2008) should be flippantly
|overturned to return the question of personal gun ownership
|for self-defense "back to the states"? Returning **a right**
|"back to the states" can **only** serve to curtail it.
|Pregnant women have been forced to time travel back to a
|regressive era of the US, when doctors have to fear
|prosecution for prioritizing the health/life of a pregnant
|woman. It has a **direct** and detrimental effect on
|pregnant women and their loved ones. >Sadly, Dems use guns
|like Repubs use trans kids and ovary control. FWIW,
|disagree. While I agree that Democrats often champion
|"common sense gun control/reforms (I think "control" is an
|intentionally loaded -- no pun intended -- term to undermine
|even modest reform attempts, like waiting periods and
|universal background checks), and they often fall flat
|(thereby leaving vulnerability to being labeled as having
|made empty promises), Conservatives that "use trans kids and
|ovary control" are condoning hate and indifference and
|enacting laws that *directly* marginalize and hurt people.
|2A enthusiasts may cry that "liberals" will "outlaw" private
|ownership and that will necessarily lead to being murdered
|by criminals, but it's such a generalized anxiety/concern,
|generally divorced of a specific piece of legislation, so
|it's neither direct nor even amenable to useful discussion.
|"Thanks for coming to my TED Talk."
|u/emurange205 - 9 hours
|
|>Which is why ~~conservatives~~ liberals ~~refuse~~ demand ever-
|increasing gun control. I think that was their point: The
|Democrats take another step back and say, "Meet me in the
|middle."
|u/haironburr - 9 hours
|
|In which case I failed miserably to detect context. It's a
|confusing time, and what with the center not holding and
|falcons fucking off wherever, my context detector is
|untrustworthy, as much as I hate to admit it. Thanks!
|u/emurange205 - 9 hours
|
|It happens to the best of us.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 17 hours
|
|At this rate we'll be giving them entire countries...
|u/Working_Method8543 - 17 hours
|
|And sell Alaska back for 8 million USD, including a 10 minute ramble
|what a good deal that was.
|u/jyanjyanjyan - 15 hours
|
|Remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland? And they were like
|"lol what? No."
|u/Working_Method8543 - 15 hours
|
|Yes, I remember something like "large real estate deal" and the
|reply from Denmark: "Absurd. That's where the conversation
|ends".
|u/EarthMantle00 - 13 hours
|
|fun fact: 96% of Danish people dislike Trump now, a higher
|ratio than any other country
|u/QualifiedApathetic - 7 hours
|
|I knew that. That's why I want to move to Denmark. But
|anywhere in Scandinavia would be great.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|The Danish have always struck me as having their shit
|tightly wired together. Good on ya's.
|u/green_meklar - 16 hours
|
|A great deal, a fantastic deal, probably the best deal anyone's
|ever seen, a lot of people are saying it.
|u/KrozJr_UK - 16 hours
|
|Trump: Peace in our time!
|u/DefaultyTurtle2 - 12 hours
|
|If his presidency goes how it seems it will, i for one welcome
|ultron
|u/koshgeo - 11 hours
|
|Crazy talk. The US pulled billions of dollars worth of oil out of
|there. Russia should therefore get a substantial discount. /s
|u/pot_of_water - 13 hours
|
|Hey if Russia wants to give US money for red states, I'm all for
|it
|u/youstolemyname - 12 hours
|
|Just wait until January
|u/FruitOfTheVineFruit - 15 hours
|
|You left out part of the strategy which is to offer something in
|return, e.g. Russia guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty in return for
|Ukraine going nuclear free, and then Russia completely ignored what
|they promised and invaded anyway.
|u/zerostar83 - 14 hours
|
|It works so well in the U.S. in divorce proceedings.
|u/Matman161 - 15 hours
|
|Russia should learn to accept new territorial realities.
|u/Alarming_Designer643 - 19 hours
|
|It’s like demanding dessert before you’ve even sat down for dinner
|u/StandUpForYourWights - 19 hours
|
|How can you have any pudding if you ain’t eat your meat?
|u/absat41 - 18 hours
|
|Suddenly Floyd
|u/tunnel-snakes-rule - 9 hours
|
|Ironic considering Roger Waters is a big Putin apologist.
|u/Schavvek - 18 hours
|
|Ain't beat your meat FTFY bro
|u/Big-Bike530 - 19 hours
|
|I'm a grown adult and I decide how I waste my calorie allowance. Now
|give me that cheese cake and fuck off.
|u/JustADutchRudder - 19 hours
|
|No! Eat your damn carrots first or you'll never have night vision!
|u/torev - 9 hours
|
|Nice try britts.
|u/pirat314159265359 - 17 hours
|
|No, you’re diabetic.
|u/umo2k - 19 hours
|
|Easy. Bring back the Borders from 2013. Russia has to deal with the new
|territorial reality.
|u/skinnereatsit - 18 hours
|
|Hahah that’s not how negotiations work. “We want the things we want
|first, then we’ll negotiate for the things we want”
|u/roastbeeftacohat - 13 hours
|
|that's exactly how negotiations work, before talks start you manoeuvre
|to negotiate from the strongest position possible. fighting is often
|the bloodiest just before a ceasefire.
|u/aussierulesisgrouse - 6 hours
|
|Yeah, he described negotiation strategy kind of factually lmao.
|It’s not the right moral outcome, but it’s just the reality of how
|negotiation works lmao.
|u/TurbulentSecond7888 - 2 hours
|
|No that's not how negotiations works. In negotiation, you see your
|position and your opponent position, and then try to see where both
|demand can be met. Here, Russia immediately ask you to surrender
|your position first, then negotiate. That's not negotiation, that's
|freaking asking you to give up before even talking
|u/roastbeeftacohat - 2 hours
|
|Which if you can pull off you do.
|u/MaybeMaus - 19 hours
|
|You want it? Come and get it if you can
|u/Randomer63 - 19 hours
|
|I think they can and they are about too… sadly
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 19 hours
|
|I think you are wrong
|u/fresan123 - 15 hours
|
|I am sorry, but if you think the war is going to end in any other
|way than a Russian victory where they occupy Luhansk, Donetsk and
|Crimea, then you are delusional. Us westerners fucked up. We have
|been living with a naive pacifist mindset for the past 30 years,
|so we are unable to supply Ukraine with the ammunition, weaponry
|and support that they need
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 15 hours
|
|Im sorry but if you think thats a victory you are delusional 😂
|u/KeyKing7 - 13 hours
|
|100% this account is Russian lol lmao
|u/fresan123 - 12 hours
|
|I support Ukraine 100% and have been doing so since I was old
|enough to understand what happened. I am very negative towards
|Russia as it is an imperialistic country bordering my own
|country. I want nothing more in this world than to see Russia
|gone. Yet you call me a russian bot because I refuse to delude
|myself with your total Ukrainian victory fantasy. Tell me. If
|I am a russian bot. How to you believe Ukraine will achieve
|this victory? Especially when Usa and Europe have failed to
|give Ukraine the help it desperately needs.
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 12 hours
|
|> your total Ukrainian victory fantasy. Who said this?
|We are talking about one defensive battle in one region
|u/BigBoiBenisBlueBalls - 13 hours
|
|No he’s right
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 13 hours
|
|Resorting to insults because you cant have a complete thought.
|You’ve been consuming too much propaganda if you think this is a
|“win” for the Russian federation 😂 Yes you care a lot about
|downvotes. Mayhaps your insults are a projection of your self
|hate
|u/EquivalentBetrayal - 15 hours
|
|After having 6 advances destroyed and their spear head surrounded i
|uuuuuuh doubt that very very much.
|u/AlkaKr - 14 hours
|
|They've proven they can't even get their own land back and every
|time they try the get ambushed and cut off from the rest. How
|exactly are they going to do it?
|u/WiSoSirius - 19 hours
|
|Ukraine wants their land back too
|u/LTKerr - 19 hours
|
|And that's why Zelenskyy pushed for it
|u/Fuzzy-Frame9882 - 14 hours
|
|100% All the totally-not-propaganda accounts stopped pushing “both
|sides need to accept a peace treaty based on current front lines” the
|moment those front lines extended into Russia.
|u/karer3is - 12 hours
|
|It's ridiculous... in Germany both far- left and far- right
|politicians are calling for the Ukranians to basically surrender.
|The leftist poliiticians are trying to blame Ukraine and the various
|western powers supporting it for all the bloodshed while the far
|right parties are trying to see who can stick their nose the
|furthest up Putin's ass
|u/SpareAccnt - 13 hours
|
|This is one of those things that should be obvious, but just isn’t
|u/runricky34 - 14 hours
|
|Yep. So many who opposed it can now see that its Zelensky’s biggest
|bargaining chip.
|u/DonutsOnTheWall - 19 hours
|
|Ukraine wants their stuff back before negotiations too. Will make
|negotiations way easier too.
|u/Wemest - 19 hours
|
|So essentially they are making demands and setting terms. Newsflash
|Russia, you are in negotiations.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|Unsurprisingly, that sounds a lot like the negotiation tactics of
|hamas.
|u/SEAN0_91 - 17 hours
|
|Putin - “we’ve discovered a book from 1765 stating that Kursk has always
|been Ukrainian land, so we’re going to let them keep it”
|u/Slivovic - 19 hours
|
|In exchange for all Ukraine territory, seems fair.
|u/heisenbugtastic - 17 hours
|
|I would do that deal any day of the week. It's a good deal, them trade
|their black sea fleet getting out for the kids. Pow for pow as even.
|Hell throw in gas to Europe. Of course that will never happen with
|Putin. Maybe a little, but unless Trump declared a no fly zone, sent a
|few brigades to Poland, and attached a long range weapon deal. Damnit
|I still dream.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|I think putin still knows how to manipulate don. So I wouldn't hope
|for much.
|u/Koala_eiO - 10 hours
|
|"This is much to demand for the delivery of one servant: that your
|Master should receive in exchange what he must else fight many a war
|to gain! Or has the field of Gondor destroyed his hope in war, so that
|he falls to haggling?"
|u/Anacalagon - 18 hours
|
|I am sure we can trust Putin to negotiate in good faith and not lie, and
|cheat, and steal, this time.
|u/iamfromny - 18 hours
|
|classic Russian gaslighting. after they punch you, they will ask why
|your are punching their fist with your face? and if you fight back,
|they will say "see, I was right in punching you as you just punched me"
|at this point, I think they actually believe what they say.
|u/HugoNext - 15 hours
|
|"Give up your leverage and we can start negotiations"
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 18 hours
|
|Russia doesn't actually want peace. Putin want more demands met. Crazy
|demands that will lead to more war.
|u/glmory - 9 hours
|
|Nah, they want to do what they did in their last war, declare peace
|then storm back in as soon as they have regrouped.
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 1 hour
|
|Pretty sure that is what I wrote.
|u/DramaticWesley - 19 hours
|
|Give back Ukrainian land and I’m sure they will be happy to give you
|back Kursk. Otherwise, keep losing 1000 troops a day. Russia seems to
|be trying to speed run their own collapse.
|u/MaybeMaus - 19 hours
|
|People's lives are always the cheapest possible currency for tyrants
|u/GoofyKalashnikov - 19 hours
|
|I wish it was true, but they're still going at it with no signs of
|stopping besides a trump clutch
|u/EmbarrassedHelp - 11 hours
|
|Their economy is fucked in the long term at this point.
|u/GoofyKalashnikov - 19 hours
|
|I mean sure, but that's a tiny part of the front line
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 19 hours
|
|The front line isnt manned 100% all the time.
|u/GoofyKalashnikov - 19 hours
|
|What are you even saying at this point. Russia is showing no
|signs of slowing down and a few victories here and there
|aren't changing it. Civilians still get bombarded daily and
|Russia is still occupying a sizeable chunk of Ukraine...
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 18 hours
|
|What are you even saying? No signs of slowing down huh?!?!?
|Look at the state of their armor, oil production, man power,
|currency, food prices. Your brain is stuck in ww1 where
|land gains are the only factor
|u/Pawn-Star77 - 18 hours
|
|But it's pointless looking at the metrics you proposed
|unless you're doing the same for Ukraine, and Ukraine are
|in a worse position in all of them without American
|support.
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 18 hours
|
|>without American support. Well they have it so there
|is no point to live in pretend fantasy land. The EU
|will increase their support if America dwindles
|u/Utsider - 18 hours
|
|The Americans did vote Putin into the White House,
|tho. He just needs to play the "ok I'm willing to (not
|really but lets pretend to) negotiate" card to cut
|himself some slack and reshape the narrative until
|January.
|u/F_A_F - 16 hours
|
|The new American president who prides himself on doing 'deals' is about
|to find out that a President who has an existential problem for his
|country won't be quite as easy to push around. Putin asks for Kursk,
|Zelensky will say no. Trump will expect him to be open to negotiation,
|Zelensky will be firmly no.
|u/KingKnee - 9 hours
|
|Europe needs to push into a war economy right away.
|u/klparrot - 10 hours
|
|There will be strongarming involved, though, not just mediation.
|u/veryAverageCactus - 19 hours
|
|sure, kursk territory in exchange for Ukrainian territory.
|u/ForestGuy29 - 18 hours
|
|“We won’t negotiate until we get what we want.”
|u/stirly80m - 17 hours
|
|Ukraine should take more Russian territory, two can play that game.
|u/rollerderbydino - 16 hours
|
|“Give us your bargaining chip before we bargain! No, you can’t have any
|of our chips that’s not how this works.”
|u/iknewaguytwice - 16 hours
|
|So.. they want to negotiate before they negotiate?
|u/myselfelsewhere - 9 hours
|
|Special non-negotiation negotiation.
|u/elmariachi304 - 14 hours
|
|Lol yes, I'm sure Russia *would* like it if their adversary lost their
|main leverage in negotiations. I'm not surprised by that, I'm more
|surprised they're stupid enough to say that out loud.
|u/st8ic88 - 16 hours
|
|That's a great idea Russia, you should both withdraw to 2014 borders
|before negotiations!
|u/Torak8988 - 18 hours
|
|c'mon putin, skip to the nuclear threats come on we have heard this
|story 1000 times before, you demand, we refuse, you threaten with nukes,
|we respond with shipments of more weapons, you cry out in fear and pain
|as if it will destroy russia, and then you claim the new weapons are
|completely useless, you beg other dictators to sell you more weapons,
|starving russia even more and driving it even further into financial
|ruin. this cycle is going to go on forever until russia has no more
|money or putin is no more
|u/reelpotatopeeler - 19 hours
|
|Lol! This is comedy gold.
|u/mczerniewski - 15 hours
|
|Ukraine: How about get out of OUR country first?
|u/susanorth - 13 hours
|
|Right. Sorta like when they requested that Ukraine give up nukes in
|return for ....
|u/pushin_webistics - 13 hours
|
|Good Fuck Russia
|u/washingtonpost - 20 hours
|
|KYIV — The fight to control some 200 square miles of land in western
|Russia became even more brutal in recent days as the Kremlin, ahead of
|possible negotiations with the incoming Trump administration to end the
|war, appears set on removing Russian land from the equation. Ukraine
|has controlled swaths of Russia’s Kursk region since a surprise cross-
|border incursion in August and — despite having lost around half its
|initial gains — still maintains a foothold there. Russia launched a new
|counteroffensive last week, Ukrainian troops and military analysts said,
|flooding the front line with waves of soldiers. It has also deployed at
|least 10,000 North Koreans to the region, according to U.S. intelligence
|estimates. The new assault has been messy but relentless and began after
|Donald Trump — who has pledged to quickly end the war — was elected U.S.
|president. Read more here:
|[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/16/russia-wants-kursk-
|back-before-negotiations-ukraine-isnt-budging/?utm\_campaign=wp\_main&ut
|m\_medium=social&utm\_source=reddit.com](https://www.washingtonpost.com/
|world/2024/11/16/russia-wants-kursk-back-before-negotiations-ukraine-
|isnt-
|budging/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com)
|u/Makaveli80 - 19 hours
|
|How the fk north Koreans are deployed and there is no international
|support to prevent that
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 19 hours
|
|Plenty of international citizens fighting for Ukraine
|u/rizakrko - 18 hours
|
|There is a difference between volunteers and sending a regular
|army.
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 18 hours
|
|Yah the volunteers are better
|u/madpacifist - 18 hours
|
|Not professional military soldiers, barring a handful of those who
|went AWOL from their units. Are all volunteers who largely have
|never held a long barrel weapon, let alone fired one, before
|turning up. Not sponsored by their home nation states. Not
|equipped by their home nation states. The fact you think there's
|a equivalency here is hilarious.
|u/coolbloo22 - 4 hours
|
|the us sends ukraine money, resources, etc, volunteers go there,
|mercenaries go there, mercs get paid. no way its coordinated at
|aaaaaall
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 18 hours
|
|>Are all volunteers who largely have never held a long barrel
|weapon, let alone fired one, before turning up. Brave of you to
|say something so easily proven wrong. The Brazilian troops have
|fals and why would you want them equipped by their home
|nations?? America has the equipment. Brother 😂
|u/madpacifist - 18 hours
|
|Do you understand the concept of "largely"? Of course there
|are exceptions, but they're a militia of citizens (as you said
|yourself) and not a sanctioned army sent by a sovereign nation
|state to sponsor an invasion. I hope your homeland is never
|invaded and your children kidnapped, although I fear that's
|the only way you'll learn empathy.
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 18 hours
|
|Yes and do you understand you are making things up with no
|proof? Empathy for what brother we having a discussion. I
|never said i support Russia lol. Quite the opposite. Are
|you always so sensational?
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|So Russia won't squeal like a pig if NATO forces join in to fight
|for Ukraine?
|u/BeautifulWhole7466 - 12 hours
|
|Like nato hasn’t condemned nk troops in Ukraine? If nato had
|the cojones they would
|u/ricobirch - 19 hours
|
|Kursk is internationally recognized Russian land.
|u/zxva - 18 hours
|
|So, internationally recognized land should stay in the country it
|is recognized as?
|u/TassadarForXelNaga - 18 hours
|
|So was Ukraine land but fuck'em i guess
|u/KaffeeKiffer - 13 hours
|
|People don't like to hear it, but Putin is not a complete moron.
|When fighting in Kursk, Koreans are supporting Russia in
|"defending their territory". Do you think it is a [coincidence
|that they have a (so-called) **defense**
|treaty](https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-russia-
|ukraine-059d73e4c3492c19b555476b2fb45ca9)? But the moment North
|Korea takes a step on Ukrainian soil, it is **without any
|doubt** an act of war. And I am very hopeful that that would
|have serious repercussions. But As long as NC doesn't do that,
|we all may know why Putler does this and what is going on, but
|it is much harder/complex to make a case which stands up to the
|scrutiny of international law.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|So, if another country sent an army into Ukraine, and they
|only fought on Ukrainian territory, there'd be no complaints
|from putin?
|u/KaffeeKiffer - 11 hours
|
|I think no reasonable person gives a shit about what Putler
|says anyway. You know that he will complain like a crybaby -
|that is what bullies like Russia do. 1. Every country **on
|their own** can already act against North Korea and enact
|sanctions (the bigger problem is that there are not *many*
|more sanctions to put in place ...) as well as deciding to
|sent material (like South Korea started doing on a much
|bigger scale since NK got involved). Putler _is_ crying
|about that and everyone is laughing in his face. 2. It is
|about votes, statements, actions and support in
|international (clown) organizations like the UN. I am
|confident that > if another country sent an army into
|Ukraine, and they only fought on Ukrainian territory
|(almost) everyone except the usual suspects (Iran, NK, etc.)
|would not bat an eye. 1. The bigger problem is that
|sending a western army into Ukraine that way would not work,
|because they are reliant on air superiority and you need to
|attack AA on Russian soil to get it. 3. I think it's
|possible that foreign forces (which conveniently look like
|volunteers ...) are already on the ground in supporting
|roles (Training, Maintenance, Intelligence). And hell,
|Biden just gave clearance for PMCs (where of course Putin
|threw yet another tantrum)
|u/fightingpillow - 18 hours
|
|As far as I'm concerned Russia has forfeited their right to have
|international support or recognition of any kind.
|u/haironburr - 10 hours
|
|Russia will remain a pariah nation for at least a generation.
|Their only allies other outcast nations. Their loud, drunk
|tourists the world over will elicit eye-rolls and sneers of
|contempt. Their cowed spineless citizens will compete against
|each other in who can inform on their neighbor the most.
|u/DimsumSushi - 18 hours
|
|It only works one way. When it's not their land, China and Russia
|don't care what is internationally recognized
|u/Petunia_Planter - 14 hours
|
|The timing appears to demonstrate the Kremlin’s growing appreciation
|for how Kursk may play into future talks: If negotiations are to
|occur, Russia wants to make sure only Ukrainian land is up for debate.
|“It is clear that Moscow will not start any negotiations until they
|have kicked out every last Ukrainian soldier from Kursk,” Konstantin
|Remchukov, the editor in chief of Nezavisimaya Gazeta who moves in
|Kremlin circles, told The Washington Post. Russian President Vladimir
|Putin does not want Kursk to be used as a bargaining chip — nor does
|he want to be forced to relinquish any of the Ukrainian territory he
|has captured since Russia’s invasion, Remchukov added. Putin’s recent
|mentions that any deal needs to reflect the “realities on the ground”
|refers to Russia’s hopes to recapture Kursk, he said. Read more here:
|https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/16/russia-wants-kursk-
|back-before-negotiations-ukraine-isnt-
|budging/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com
|u/TonyG_from_NYC - 16 hours
|
|Wait, this still can't be going on. I was told by trump this would
|would have been settled within 24 hours of him winning the election.
|Did he lie?
|u/TonyG_from_NYC - 14 hours
|
|It's a power move by Putin letting trump know who's in charge, and
|it was hilarious.
|u/marconis999 - 11 hours
|
|The Goal Post Moving van is rolling up.
|u/Vineyard_ - 7 hours
|
|The goal posts are more lubed up than a minor backstage at the RNC.
|u/coolbloo22 - 4 hours
|
|he isnt president yet and he never claimed he would have it done
|before being president. he isnt president yet.
|u/mikkolukas - 13 hours
|
|oh the irony 😅 Hey Russia, here's an idea: Give Ukraine their
|territories back 😉
|u/roctac - 12 hours
|
|Russia wants Ukraine to give up their only leverage in negotiations
|u/TheFermentationist - 10 hours
|
|Are they giving back Crimea?
|u/TotalBismuth - 18 hours
|
|Sounds like Russia is the one hurting for a negotiation table.
|u/Aggressive-Will-4500 - 15 hours
|
|They had to buy 50,000 troops from North Korea... That's a giant red
|flag.
|u/Hautamaki - 15 hours
|
|Ukraine needs to just get their own nukes. Would strongly recommend the
|Baltics, Moldova, Georgia (if the people ever get a representative
|government back in), Armenia, the Stans, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, The
|Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Saudia Arabia,
|Oman, Bahrain, UAE... The list goes on, should all follow suit. The US
|is now a mercenary nation that doesn't care for global peace and
|stability and is run by a leader that intends to personally profit off
|the chaos. Anyone who doesn't want to be invaded, annexed, and
|potentially genocided by a larger neighbor now needs nukes to prevent
|that happening, because the US no longer cares to unless you can offer
|Trump a better bribe than the larger power that wants what you've got.
|u/foul_ol_ron - 12 hours
|
|Yes. It's been proven that nukes make all the difference. If Ukraine
|was nuclear capable, Russia wouldn't have invaded. If Russia didn't
|have nukes, they would've been crushed conventionally in the first
|12-18 months.
|u/Docccc - 19 hours
|
|Full article is a good read
|u/eos4 - 18 hours
|
|Wasn't all this according to plan?
|u/Snowfish52 - 18 hours
|
|Putin is trying to move fast, while Ukraine has something to say about
|that... It's the word, NO...
|u/ClockworkViking - 14 hours
|
|He is trying to move fast because many world economics experts believe
|that Russia is only a few months away from complete and total economic
|collapse. [here you go. good read](https://www.project-
|syndicate.org/commentary/russia-war-economy-weakening-under-sanctions-
|by-anders-aslund-2024-10)
|u/CodeMonkeyX - 17 hours
|
|??? That's not how negotiations work. "Hey buddy give up your bargaining
|chip before we start negotiating, then we can negotiate."
|u/marconis999 - 11 hours
|
|Ukraine used to have nuclear missiles. Gave them to Russia in exchange
|for a treaty. I think Ukraine might not believe Russia's intentions.
|u/m270ras - 16 hours
|
|Russia wants ukraine's leverage back before negotiations
|u/k4Anarky - 15 hours
|
|"In that case you can tell your Russian troops in Kursk to eat shit and
|die but looks like they're doing that already."
|u/jmptx - 14 hours
|
|Easy- Russia gets Kursk back once they’ve given back Donetsk, Luhansk,
|Zaporizizhia, Kerson & Crimea.
|u/Belgand - 13 hours
|
|The title is written in a way that makes it a bit unclear. It's talking
|about how Russia is putting extra effort into *attacking* Kursk in order
|to militarily retake the land before any negotiation might happen.
|Essentially, they want to strengthen their bargaining position and take
|away one of the few things Ukraine has that could force concessions.
|u/soulsnoober - 13 hours
|
|Ukraine holding a "actually, do you want to be part of Ukraine"
|referendum there would be *fabulous*
|u/nik-nak333 - 13 hours
|
|"We want your only leverage before we come to the table." Get the fuck
|outta here.
|u/keronasx - 13 hours
|
|That's ...not how negotiations work
|u/Nostradamus_of_past - 4 hours
|
|Ukrainians are paying the price for our weakness. No, Russia will not
|nuke all earth, they are just using threats to see how weak the west is.
|People need to understand that there is only one way for peace: Russia
|to leave Ukraine. Simple as that. Any other outcome would be a victory
|for Putin and he will come back a few years after. It's important thar
|ppl understand how it works
|u/SandwichOk4242 - 18 hours
|
|The only tell is that Russia is not eager for negotiations at rhe
|current juncture.
|u/Steve0-BA - 17 hours
|
|Wish in one hand.....
|u/Major-Check-1953 - 17 hours
|
|Russia can negotiate after it pulls out of Ukraine.
|u/grahampositive - 17 hours
|
|Now that his administration is a lame ducki baby understand why Biden
|won't let Ukraine off the chain with long range weapons. Should go all
|in before January
|u/mandy009 - 17 hours
|
|they should call it a wash and give each other their 2013 borders back.
|u/Zorb750 - 17 hours
|
|Kursk for Crimea
|u/tilmanbaumann - 16 hours
|
|So? Ukraine wants Crimea back
|u/ItsTricky94 - 15 hours
|
|paywall. OP please post the text?
|u/Electronics_Hotel55 - 15 hours
|
|Russia is some bitches!
|u/agumonkey - 15 hours
|
|Maybe it would be useful to send people explaining the meaning of "fair"
|to russians. Clearly there's a problem there.
|u/I_ama_Borat - 14 hours
|
|Surely if they did, Russia would keep their word?!
|u/BlueShift42 - 14 hours
|
|Who gives up all their leverage before negotiating?
|u/yiliu - 14 hours
|
|Before we begin negotiations, we'd like you to give up all your
|leverage, please.
|u/MessageMePuppies - 14 hours
|
|If Russia gives back Crimea first then they might be in a position to
|make requests before negotiating.
|u/GuitarGeezer - 14 hours
|
|Russia offering negotiations is like a piranha who only knows one word
|and it is “parley” but has no idea what it means or what words even are
|but just attacks mindlessly bubbling out that word. Very very North
|Korean honestly. I have a Russian history degree from a good school.
|Russian governments (with little objection from Russian citizens) have
|always been and likely will always be psycho-led genocide factories even
|on their best day. No Russian government (least of all Putin’s regime
|with or without him) has the scruples to observe any agreement for more
|than a few milliseconds should breach suit their whims. This isnt
|arguable, go ask Georgia, Ukraine, just list everybody in reach and a
|few at distance. Mafia governments cannot make peace.
|u/series_hybrid - 14 hours
|
|Ukraine needs Crimea, to prevent a tank invasion form a hostile
|neighbor.
|u/FlightExtension8825 - 13 hours
|
|Maybe they could swap it for Crimea?
|u/mosenco - 13 hours
|
|imaging they made peace with kursk still part of ukraine and during the
|peace ukraine speedrun to build some nukes to avoid russia invading
|again in the near future, and for years russia will have ukraine's dick
|pointing towards moscow lmao
|u/Vizpop17 - 12 hours
|
|Ukraine shouldn't give up one inch of Russia, until it get's back the
|land taken in this war.
|u/KSaburof - 12 hours
|
|So Kursk incursion (the one ruined z-pidorz offensive from north) was a
|double-brilliant move, after all :)
|u/JaVelin-X- - 12 hours
|
|What happened to accepting certain territorial realities?
|u/purplewhiteblack - 11 hours
|
|Ukraine will probably have made a nuke by January 20th. They're pretty
|effective bargaining chips.
|u/Underwater_Karma - 11 hours
|
|Ok deal, you can have the Kursk back. It's currently parked at about
|350 feet on the floor of the Barents Sea
|u/Realistic-Try-8029 - 8 hours
|
|Happy diving, Vlad.
|u/Raxmei - 10 hours
|
|Capitulate first and then we can talk. This isn't a good faith peace
|offer. It's making peace-shaped mouth noises so that the credulous can
|keep on fooling themselves about Russia's intentions.
|u/i81u812 - 10 hours
|
|TIL they still have Kursk. Christmas Cookies..
|u/chrisagiddings - 10 hours
|
|Why should Ukraine drop their leverage? What a farcical demand.
|u/NameLips - 9 hours
|
|Wait, *before* negotiations? I think exchange of territory should be
|*part* of negotiations, right?
|u/TheRamanMan - 9 hours
|
|The world shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists
|u/rabidseacucumber - 7 hours
|
|What if everybody gave the captured territory back as a starting point
|of good faith….lol just kidding Putin & trump aren’t capable of that.
|u/BoosterGoose91 - 7 hours
|
|Fuck em, Ukraine for the big fat W
|u/GallorKaal - 2 hours
|
|Zelensky may have (had) his problems, but goddamn, he is a good leader
|u/GlumTowel672 - 2 hours
|
|Ha ha ha. Before negotiations? Fuck off.
|u/Ill-Maximum9467 - 1 hour
|
|Russia thinks Ukraine has to recognise the ‘territorial realities’ in
|any negotiation (we get to keep what we’ve stolen!). Ok, if that’s the
|case, Russia has to recognise the ‘economic realities’ in any
|negotiation - that the sanctions will stay for decades, rendering Russia
|a total basket case like North Korea. No flights in or out, no Russians
|holidaying anywhere else than Russia (China and NK), no oligarchs acting
|as if the world is their playground anymore - Russia is their
|playground, and no loans, no buyers of Russian gas/oil…nothing but
|splendid isolationism while Ukraine joins NATO and the EU and simply
|flourishes. ☺️
|u/commandrix - 19 hours
|
|Ukraine ought to not give Kursk back until Russia gives Crimea and the
|other Russian-occupied Ukrainian regions back.
|u/coolbloo22 - 4 hours
|
|its like a 100th of the area they control
|u/dwilliams202261 - 19 hours
|
|As they shouldn’t.
|u/BaronVonLazercorn - 18 hours
|
|They can have Kursk back when Ukraine gets all of their territory back.
|Simple.
|u/ElliotAlderson2024 - 12 hours
|
|So you got that out of your system. Did anything change on the ground?
|u/LordoftheSynth - 10 hours
|
|But karma whoring!
|u/Mr_Carlos - 14 hours
|
|It's great that Ukraine isn't budging, but I really wonder how long they
|can last. Russia has got a lot more man power to throw in, and there's
|likely at least 2 months to go. Hope they can hold on, but they're up
|against it.
|u/hanson3519 - 18 hours
|
|Ukraine has already said they would give it up when Russia agrees to get
|out of Ukraine including Crimea. (At least I remember reading that,
|correct me if I am wrong).
|u/WorldEcho - 17 hours
|
|Ukraine wants all invaded territory back before negotiations.
|u/fomites4sale - 14 hours
|
|If Russia wants Kursk back then they should take it back.
|u/CaptCrewSocks - 18 hours
|
|The Russian government isn’t really that good at enterprising
|legitimately they tend to blow in, blow up and blow out. They can’t
|sustain a legitimate effort and if they get forced into doing that they
|won’t be around very long, legitimacy is not in the playbook. The
|world can force their hand but since we won’t get on the same page
|today, it is left up to a few to champion the terms and conditions and
|apply a vice that the greasy Russian government can’t slip out of.
|(That’s just my opinion)
|u/green_meklar - 16 hours
|
|That sounds perfectly reasonable, assuming Ukraine gets the Donbas and
|Crimea back too.
|u/Gigo360 - 16 hours
|
|Wait, are you telling me that Kursk it is actually under Ukrainian
|control? I thought there was nothing to worry about and it was just
|propaganda.
|u/Akul_Tesla - 14 hours
|
|Why the frick would they give up their leverage?
|u/icanhaztuthless - 14 hours
|
|Ukraine wants crimea back before negotiations.
|u/ohhellperhaps - 14 hours
|
|I'm sure Ukraine is more that willing to negotiate the return of Kursk
|for the Russian occupied territories. And reparations. They're not
|unreasonable.
|u/zyzzogeton - 14 hours
|
|Ukraine should insist that the rogue colony of Kievan Rus in Moscow
|submit to home rule from Kiev.
|u/ADHD-Fens - 14 hours
|
|[relevant Calvin and Hobbes](https://imgur.com/tnwgG) Calvin ends up
|having to pay susie derkins a quarter to get Hobbes back in addition to
|returning her doll.
|u/CatboyInAMaidOutfit - 13 hours
|
|Why give into the demands of a nation that's about to crumble under its
|own revolution?
|u/dongbaeksasang - 12 hours
|
|Give us your leverage before we negotiate
|u/DeadJango - 12 hours
|
|My biggest hope is that Ukraine gets Crimea before they have to
|negotiate.
|u/Smallsey - 12 hours
|
|Ukraine should ask for all the kids Russia stole at the start of the war
|u/Cantgetabreaker - 12 hours
|
|Hope they can take belgrod as well
|u/Direct_Bug_1917 - 12 hours
|
|Unstoppable force meets immovable object. This will go well.
|u/Any-Ad-446 - 12 hours
|
|So the North Koreans special forces is not working?.
|u/Gorman43 - 12 hours
|
|invade moscow
|u/SnooMacarons3359 - 12 hours
|
|Fuck russia
|u/Big-Zoo - 12 hours
|
|Oh well isn't that ironic
|u/RationalKate - 12 hours
|
|Hold The Line, Ukraine.
|u/raresaturn - 12 hours
|
|LOL now Russia begins to understand the realities on the ground
|u/crushingwaves - 12 hours
|
|No matter what Russia wants, we will march to Moscow.
|u/NYerstuckinBoston - 11 hours
|
|Hold that line with all you’ve got
|u/scorcher24 - 11 hours
|
|Who is not accepting territorial realities now?
|u/InBeforeTheL0ck - 11 hours
|
|No doubt taking that was also to have a negotiation chip, like hell
|you're getting that back.
|u/19941994ra - 10 hours
|
|And they will get what they want. I dont see any other result right
|now. Just wishful thinking saying otherwise.
|u/Killahdanks1 - 10 hours
|
|It’s good to want things.
|u/txwoodslinger - 8 hours
|
|Trade kursk for Crimea
|u/Gr8lakesCoaster - 8 hours
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|Lol come and get it vlad.
|u/lickmyballssssss - 8 hours
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|Biden should start a war with Putin before he leaves office.
|u/DisastrousAR - 8 hours
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|The Kursk reality is absolutely abnormal. Russia for sure isn’t that
|strong.
|u/redneckrockuhtree - 7 hours
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|In other words, Russia is struggling to regain the land. It really *is*
|easy for Russia - GTFO Ukraine. It's that simple.
|u/FrequentDriver4690 - 7 hours
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|Yes man
|u/machopsychologist - 6 hours
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|Read the article - this is said by a Russian journalist, in the context
|of Russia's increasing intensity of the Kursk counteroffensive. They've
|not demanded it back before starting negotiations. > Russia launched a
|new counteroffensive last week, Ukrainian troops and military analysts
|said, flooding the front line with waves of soldiers (...) > The timing
|appears to demonstrate the Kremlin’s growing appreciation for how Kursk
|may play into future talks: If negotiations are to occur, Russia wants
|to make sure only Ukrainian land is up for debate. > “It is clear that
|Moscow will not start any negotiations until they have kicked out every
|last Ukrainian soldier from Kursk,” Konstantin Remchukov, the editor in
|chief of Nezavisimaya Gazeta who moves in Kremlin circles, told The
|Washington Post.
|u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 - 6 hours
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|As usual the Reddit hive mind doesn't read the room 😂😂😂.
|u/Psychological-Sport1 - 5 hours
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|Tell Russia to get stuffed!!!
|u/VadimShoigu - 5 hours
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|They should hold elections in this autonomous Republic of Kursk
|u/Fun-Distribution-159 - 5 hours
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|Fuck russia
|u/Excellent-Ad-3623 - 5 hours
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|How about Russia puts everything back to how it was prior to them
|annexing Crimea.
|u/lumosmxima - 4 hours
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|“No, we want Kursk clear before we talk…no, we are not going to give up
|Ukrainian territories!..yes, we want Kursk back, you heard me correctly”
|Lmfao
|u/JcbAzPx - 4 hours
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|That's because they want the negotiations to revolve around "we keep the
|territory we stole." Ukraine having Kursk gives them leverage that
|Russia can't handle.
|u/MewSixUwU - 4 hours
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|that's not how negotiations work
|u/OarsandRowlocks - 4 hours
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|Zelenskyy should pretend that he wants to negotiate over Kursk, and when
|they ask for the details, he gives them a map with the site for
|negotiations being Moscow but renamed to Nahui or hui, whatever makes
|sense grammatically.
|u/CBT7commander - 3 hours
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|Kursk is the only active bargaining chip Ukraine has. I wouldn’t be
|surprised if they decided to defend it at all cost.
|u/SlyScorpion - 1 hour
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|Classic Russia AKA Givemethatforfreestan.
|u/Own_Tomatillo_1369 - 1 hour
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|referendum and annex
|u/Aware-Chipmunk4344 - 1 hour
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|So indeed a clever move that Trump will take more troubles to sell out
|Ukaine than he did the Afghanistan and Kurdish people.
|u/UndeadBBQ - 1 hour
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|"Give me your bargaining chip, before we bargain."
|u/spud6000 - 18 hours
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|NOTHING is going to happen until Jan 21st. until then it is all kabuki
|theater.
|u/xsv_compulsive - 17 hours
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|That's because Kursk is the only hurdle in Trumps aspirations for Russia
|u/abolish_karma - 17 hours
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|1991 borders was a good deal for Russia. This realization may still
|dawn on them
|u/DirkDjelli - 18 hours
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|Russia has three seviceable Tanks, one guy with a potato gun and some
|porn obsessed North Koreans with frayed penises and Plastic Pea shooters
|left in the fight. I could probably reach Moscow from where i am in a
|week. Shouldn't be too difficult for the good guys to go fuck up the
|Kremlin right now. Get after it!
|u/Dablicku - 15 hours
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|If Ukraine will give up any territory right now, all the lost lives will
|have been lost forever. The president is a coward for even willing to
|negotiate about a surrender. Thousands of lives have been surrendered
|for one goal, to be a free Ukraine 🇺🇦. The Ukrainian man who fled
|abroad not willing to fight for their country should look at what they
|have have done. Dying is a better option then to run away from your
|responsibilities.
|u/suzydonem - 10 hours
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|I think a UN-monitored referendum should be held in Russia to see what %
|of the population would like to obtain Ukrainian (and eventual EU)
|citizenship.
|u/ispshadow - 10 hours
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|Seems like a pretty cool trade, Kursk for getting back Ukrainian soil.
|Sit down at the table and I'm betting you guys can handle this in about
|10 seconds flat.
|u/Competitive-Strain-7 - 5 hours
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|Well 83.7% of them voted to be Annexed. IDK
|u/fr0zen_garlic - 5 hours
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|Why doesn't Russia use more of it's heavy bombers in this war? I mean
|maybe they are afraid of losing them in the event with a near peer (e.g.
|NATO, China etc) but they still have functional nukes right? Seems
|insane, just carpet bomb the fuck outta the Ukrainians?! I'm not pro
|Russia before anybody thinks that but from an all out war perspective it
|seems odd there haven't been too many bombers besides the Su-34s.
|u/mystexlumiere - 4 hours
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|Because to carpet bomb in this age, you need air superiority. It is no
|longer like WW2 where you can have escort squadron of fighters
|“safely” defending your bombers. The best missiles nowadays can even
|be locked-on and fired before you can even see your target(BVR). These
|bombers would be shot down long before they can even get in range for
|carpet bombing. Hence, Russia only dares to use them far outside SAM
|range, firing cruise missiles or glide bombs.
|u/arahnovuk - 1 hour
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|Oh yeah, the 20-kilometer mousetrap. Russia is not going to freeze the
|conflict. Continue the self-brainwashing. Your belief that the
|Ukrainians can do something there is in Russia's favor. After all, as
|long as you continue to support them, they, believing that they can
|convince the west of their combat capability, will continue to throw the
|already insufficient meat at Kursk. Believe every assertion of the
|Ukrainians without reason (as if they have not been throwing out fakes
|for 3 years already). This has never happened before and here it is
|again
|u/Russian_Victory - 50 minutes
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|Last I checked Kursk is under Russian control. You mean the other
|Kursk? Imaginary one?
|u/DevilsAdvocateMode - 10 hours
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|Trump said he end it in a day. Promise not kept. Why is gas still
|expensive?
|u/Realistic-Try-8029 - 8 hours
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|He’s already President, is he?
|u/DevilsAdvocateMode - 8 hours
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|Hes been the president since 2016.
|u/Realistic-Try-8029 - 8 hours
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|Maybe in your universe.
|u/DevilsAdvocateMode - 8 hours
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|It's a maga joke
|u/aussierulesisgrouse - 6 hours
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|Trumps administration will literally wage a war against Ukraine, siding
|WITH Russia, and there will be an entire sector of Americans who will
|cheer it on, make up reasons why it’s great and normal and cool, and say
|Ukrainians are just crybabies.
|u/coolbloo22 - 4 hours
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|Ukraine likely doesnt have much of an ability to stop them.
|u/Holiday-Equipment462 - 2 hours
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|Why doesn't Russia just threaten to detonate a nuclear weapon over Kiev.
|If they don't leave? Of course Ukraine will withdraw. I don't understand
|why they are fighting a conventional war. Nuclear weapons are made to
|show strength.
|u/Winter_Whole2080 - 41 minutes
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|Are you insane?
|u/Fahslabend - 13 hours
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|Oil is rarely brought up anymore. Russia was paying, as agreed, billions
|transporting oil through Ukraine. I say, create a treaty: share Crimea.
|Share the importing and exporting. Make Ukraine what it used to be, the
|Gateway to Europe, not a barrier. It's exactly what Putin wants. All
|business. No politics. Russia gets what it wants, access to waterways,
|oil & natural gas exports, all alongside Ukraine's interests, too. A
|shared mass revenue. It would be a living treaty, built to only function
|with both. The ports would have to be run by the AFL-CIO.
|u/oh_my_account - 13 hours
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|Isn't budging? They are running away
|u/Material-Amount - 17 hours
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|*“Okay, say goodbye to Odessa, then.”* **\~ Russia**
|u/emasterbuild - 16 hours
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|How would they do that exactly?
|