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|u/Gaff1515 - 20 hours
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|in other words, standing uses more energy than sitting...
|u/Naprisun - 19 hours
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|It’s more than that. You also employ tons of different muscles when
|steering and keeping balance. It’s way more active of an activity than
|even riding a metro or bus standing up.
|u/mickey5545 - 19 hours
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|imaging how much you would use providing the power yourself!!
|u/Octopus_ofthe_Desert - 18 hours
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|Went for two 11-mile bike rides on Tuesday. I wasn't sure I was
|capable, but by golly I was. I have mild scoliosis, PTSD and
|about as much cartilage in my knees as a concrete block does.
|There is no excuse for most people to use an internal combustion
|engine to travel short distances.
|u/accountforrealppl - 17 hours
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|When I tell people I used to bike ~5 miles across the city for
|my commute, they look at me like that's some insane athletic
|feat. Like... I'm pretty sure my grandma could do that in 30
|minutes. Make it an ebike to help with the uphills and anyone
|could do it without even breaking a sweat
|u/Frandom314 - 14 hours
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|Same, I bike around 13 km in total to commute to work, and if
|I'm not rushing it barely feels like excersising, but some of
|my coworkers consider it crazy. And I'm not really athletic
|u/ensalys - 12 hours
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|Yeah, here in the Netherlands the 5mi ride wouldn't stand out
|at all. We probably cycle the most in our teenage years, then
|as we come into adulthood we start using a car more, as we
|continue our adulthood we cycle less. Until we retire, then
|you see a spike in cycling, though mostly for fun, which then
|decreases as age takes its toll. When you get of your bike for
|the last time is highly variable, for plenty of people it will
|be as long as their body allows (and some try to stretch it
|further than is safe). Especially now with ebikes, you see
|plenty of cycling elderly. You'll also see plenty of parents
|driving their kids to school in a cargo bike, or just a more
|traditional bike with 1 or 2 child seats added on them (bonus
|points if you also have full cycling bags and one grocery bag
|hanging from the steering wheel).
|u/Brrdock - 16 hours
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|Man, we're a bit spoiled aren't we. We should've never
|invented transportation that gets us anywhere by anything but
|our own muscles. Horses? Forbidden technology. Sailboats?
|Absolutely not. North America is still a naturalistic paradise
|for natives. Colonialism? Slave trade? East India Company?
|World wars? Global capitalism? Climate change? Never heard of
|'em, wake up
|u/Thed4nm4n - 15 hours
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|That would make cross world travel impossible. I'd love for
|cities to provide a better walking experience and a strong
|medium and long range public transportation network to
|discourage car use. The chances of that are low within the
|next 5 years though.
|u/KommieKon - 13 hours
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|Agriculture was a mistake!
|u/mickey5545 - 18 hours
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|people really dont know how much they are actually capable of
|now a days. the human body is an amazing machine.
|u/Octopus_ofthe_Desert - 16 hours
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|You'll love this part. I had to make the trip to get three
|wisdom teeth pulled. I biked back with three empty sockets.
|Humans are hardcore
|u/mickey5545 - 15 hours
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|sht yeah, bro!! my last c section i had i was 36! that
|night, i walked a mile around the mom/baby ward. we ARE
|hardcore.
|u/FeistyThings - 11 hours
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|I wish I could. Building up my tolerance for walking slowly
|because I also hate depending on a car for everything. It sucks
|u/DaDibbel - 14 hours
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|How do you deal with the pain though? Walking these days is
|agony for me.
|u/Octopus_ofthe_Desert - 13 hours
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|I lost a great deal of weight, totally switched my diet, began
|stretching daily. The diet is mostly beans, veggies, seeds
|and the like, with as much anti-inflammatory ingredients as I
|can get. Breakfast this morning was a refried bean burrito
|in a tortilla made from lentils, a, "lenturrito" made with a,
|"lentilla" as I've been joking to friends. Lunch was leftover,
|chilled soup, sweet potatos, carrot and ginger with honey and
|a touch of cream-of-chicken. I think dinner will be steamed
|salmon n' veggies. The modern world is great at creating
|broken people, and America is expert. I'm finding success by
|rejecting modernity and embracing monke, basically
|u/trailrunner68 - 3 hours
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|You need to be acknowledged. Improving the fuel is
|mandatory for good results. No one should expect exercise
|alone to be optimum. Exercise alone isn’t even sustainable.
|Treat your body well.
|u/MRSN4P - 13 hours
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|Yabba dabba do!
|u/cinemachick - 8 hours
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|I have a very steep hill leading up to my home. Biking it is very
|difficult without assistance, in my case. I tried to bike similar
|hills in college and had to take multiple breaks on the side of
|the road to cool off, I always ended up sweaty and red-faced at my
|destination. An electric scooter was both faster and left me more
|presentable for classes/work. Sometimes a bit of assistance is the
|difference between a pleasant journey and an unbearable one.
|u/ga-co - 4 hours
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|Can we invent that? Like a lightweight thing with two wheels that
|we use our muscles to propel?
|u/2Throwscrewsatit - 18 hours
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|50% more than sitting and using your shoulders and ankles is not a
|“ton”
|u/MayorMacCheeze - 16 hours
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|Its a lot. Consider the efficiency of most transportation devices
|that literally weigh over a "ton" to carry just a couple hundred
|pounds of inert human. Lazy has become the norm.
|u/sticklebat - 10 hours
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|It is not a lot, it’s not even as much as walking slowly on
|level ground, which also is not a lot. Comparing it to the
|energy efficiency of a car makes no sense, I’m not sure what
|you’re on about there.
|u/TimmyC - 17 hours
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|Road rage is a lot of calories!
|u/_CatLover_ - 16 hours
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|Remove power steering from cars
|u/liamnesss - 20 hours
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|Yes, I believe very similar findings have been made regarding the use
|of standing desks.
|u/defcon_penguin - 18 hours
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|Yeah, but a lot less than walking or biking
|u/No_Excitement4272 - 16 hours
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|I have POTS and walking or biking more than a couple blocks is out of
|the question for me. I started riding an electric mini bike, (no
|pedal assistance, only throttle), and my body composition has changed
|so much. I got confused because for the first time in over a decade I
|was building muscle and didn’t understand why my clothes were getting
|looser yet I was still gaining weight.
|u/RebeccaBlue - 16 hours
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|This is really cool. I'm glad it's helping you so much.
|u/PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__ - 4 hours
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|Escooters occupy the niche of "I know cars suck but I don't want to
|bike." They're an important part of getting rid of our car-centric
|lifestyle
|u/RichardSaunders - 1 hour
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|As a frequent cyclist, I kinda hate scooters. People park them
|jutting out into bike lanes, perpendicular to sidewalks, at the
|bottom of staircases, and every other dangerous and obnoxious place
|you can imagine. I'm all about eco-friendly last mile mobility, but
|scooters are a scourge.
|u/PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__ - 1 hour
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|Are these scooters short term rentals or owned? I own mine and
|lock it up at bike racks. Cities should impound any rental scooter
|that's parked improperly
|u/RichardSaunders - 16 minutes
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|App Rentals. They're all over the place and Google Maps will
|even suggest them as a mode of transit. Only ever heard of
|people owning their own scooters on Reddit. Doesn't seem to be
|the case in my city, or if so it's a tiny minority.
|u/ugen64ta - 4 hours
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|Biking sure, but walking Im actually not sure about. I regularly walk
|20k+ steps in a day where I live and also play team sports, so i can
|walk for hours without feeling the slightest bit tired. But maybe 10
|min on an electric scooter and I feel like Im actually exerting
|myself, probably 30 min+ I might actually feel tired.
|u/Scytle - 7 hours
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|whatever gets people out of cars. Remember streets are public goods,
|paid for by the public, with the goal of moving goods and people around.
|They are not private road ways designed to move cars around (but you
|would be forgiven if you didn't believe me) Just imagine what a city
|would be like if most of the people were walking/biking/e-scooting/ or
|using public transportation to move around...it would be really really
|really nice. We would have roads still for the very few people/goods
|that couldn't be accommodated by those other methods, but man what a
|city to live in that would be.
|u/AbsoluteZeroUnit - 6 hours
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|Streets are public goods, paid for by the public, for the express
|intention of having vehicles travel on them. All of the road
|infrastructure is there so cars can use them. It's fine if you prefer
|a car-free future, but it's silly to argue "this thing that we built
|specifically for cars isn't for cars"
|u/andyrocks - 2 hours
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|But they aren't built specifically for cars. They're built for cars,
|trucks, vans, motorcycles - vehicles. Many roads and streets predate
|motor vehicles entirely.
|u/Alohagrown - 16 hours
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|I just got an e-scooter and I noticed I will be a little sweaty after
|ripping around the neighborhood at 20mph.
|u/KeldornWithCarsomyr - 19 hours
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|150% of a negligible number is still a negligible number
|u/obrapop - 19 hours
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|Not necessarily. It depends on where the boundaries of negligible and
|non-negligible lie. That’s a significant increase and could well cross
|it.
|u/smurferdigg - 18 hours
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|I would define the boundary as improving physical performance and
|health. Maybe for some individuals who don’t do anything but sit
|down all day a scooter ride a day might be measured. But yeah, we
|ain’t taking much I would assume.
|u/Yotsubato - 19 hours
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|You spend about 200 calories an hour driving a car. It’s not
|negligible.
|u/buttertoastey - 19 hours
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|Is that 200 extra calories or is it base metabolism + activity =
|200?
|u/Mean-Evening-7209 - 19 hours
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|Is that on top of the basal metabolic rate?
|u/KeldornWithCarsomyr - 19 hours
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|Is that removing the base line calorie usage per hour.
|u/Yotsubato - 18 hours
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|It includes the baseline. Base usage is like 80-100 or so
|depending on age/gender/etc. It is not high calorie burning
|activity like say mild cardio exercise (which is about 600 per
|hour). But its still not nothing.
|u/scubacatt - 20 hours
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|Now show the amount of broken bones and head injuries
|u/Generalaverage89 - 19 hours
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|"The vast majority of injured micromobility users who end up in an
|emergency department are treated and released without being admitted
|in the hospital. Those with e-scooter injuries are more likely to be
|treated and released (85%) than those with e-bike (81%) or bicycle
|injuries (79%), although not by a large margin. Fire-related injuries
|from a lithium battery explosion were present in one of the e-bike
|injuries (0.2%) and two of the e-scooter injuries (0.2%). Very few
|micromobility-related injured patients suffer fatal injuries, although
|based on the 2021 and 2022 datasets, a slightly higher proportion of
|cyclists suffered fatal injuries compared to e-bike and e-scooter
|users." https://policylab.rutgers.edu/are-e-scooter-users-more-
|seriously-injured-than-e-bike-users-and-bicyclists/
|u/astoriaboundagain - 13 hours
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|Broken bones and head injuries (excluding traumatic brain
|injuries) are often treated and released without hospital admission
|Your article snippet compares treat and release vs hospital
|admission, not occurrence of injury.
|u/Generalaverage89 - 11 hours
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|When you're that pedantic you tend to miss the point, which you
|did. They obviously weren't arbitrarily asking about
|specifically broken bones and head injuries, they were making a
|statement about their perception of the safety of e scooters.
|u/MOOSExDREWL - 19 hours
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|There's a dude on my commute route who rides a high performance
|scooter that easily goes 40mph. Man wears zero protection, not even a
|jacket. One day he's just going to stop showing up.
|u/Opposite-Chemistry-0 - 14 hours
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|Yes. I once drove 10kms. It kinda felt at body. Had to take pause at 5
|km.
|u/Nzdiver81 - 4 hours
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|50% more than almost nothing is still... almost nothing
|u/doomer_irl - 12 hours
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|50% more energy than essentially just sitting down is… not a whole lot.
|u/unlock0 - 19 hours
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|And how much more dangerous? The post above this was a guy breaking his
|knee and collarbone on one of these stupid things.
|u/dr2chase - 16 hours
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|considering all sources of danger, including heart attack, diabetes,
|stroke, and cancer, the scooter could be safer. For biking there's at
|least a half-dozen of those "we tracked health outcomes for a zillion
|people" studies, [the median study](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/j
|amainternalmedicine/fullarticle/485349) says that driving to work
|correlates with an increased annual risk of death by about 39%
|(statistically adjusted for all the usual). The smallest and largest
|increases observed were [+15%](https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/49
|/2/477/5701524?login=false) and
|[+69%](https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1456) . The increase
|numbers that I quote are 1/RR(biking). Scootering is not bicycle
|levels of exertion, but it's not nothing, and +39% for all causes of
|death is pretty big.
|u/dpm25 - 12 hours
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|Cars kill 40k+ Americans a year. We can call scooters dangerous when
|they start approaching 1/4 that.
|u/unlock0 - 12 hours
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|There aren't hundreds of millions of people putting millions of
|miles on scooters a day.
|u/dpm25 - 12 hours
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|And there also are not scooters killing pedestrians, cyclists and
|vulnerable road users every single day of the year. Its almost as
|if all of the danger on the road comes from the operators of
|multiton death machines.
|u/gmerkron - 12 hours
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|Redditors will look for anything to avoid exercise and eating healthy
|u/unlock0 - 12 hours
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|Literally anything would be better. The E scooters have small wheels
|that make it more likely to crash and incur injury. Bikes, mopeds,
|hell even Segways are better.
|u/flac_rules - 12 hours
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|They are better than cars...
|u/gmerkron - 11 hours
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|Cool story dude
|