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    |‘Ah, the VPN. A data encryption tool that allows anonymous browsing
    |and secure remote access, among other things. Given what I know of
    |VPNs, and obviously Islam, they are surely against Islamic Law’ -
    |Mohammed


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  |u/DefenestrationPraha - 1 day
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  |Everyone knows that only djinn and Sheitan use VPNs. A pious person
  |will prefer IP over Avian Carriers:  [https://www.rfc-
  |editor.org/rfc/rfc1149](https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1149)


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    |Formerly known as IPoCP!


  |u/intergalactic_spork - 1 day
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  |He was a pioneer in zero trust architecture


  |u/rickdeckard8 - 1 day
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  |I’d love to see the quote in the Quran.


    |u/GyantSpyder - 20 hours
    |
    |The Quran is very pro-VPN. The Council of Islamic Ideology are
    |murtads.  Ayah an-Nahl (The Bee) 16:7  ”And they carry your loads to
    |a land that you could not reach except with great trouble to
    |yourselves. Truly, your Lord is full of Kindness, Most Merciful.”


      |u/Koala_eiO - 12 hours
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      |> ”And they carry your loads to a land that you could not reach
      |except with great trouble to yourselves.  I don't know why but I'm
      |picturing a North Korean religious figure telling that to people
      |as their poop balloons take their flight towards the South.


    |u/progrethth - 23 hours
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    |Nah, it is probably from one of the hadiths.


  |u/Zandercy42 - 1 day
  |
  |"Ayo FUCK Nord VPN just get to the YouTube video" - Mohammed


  |u/Scribble_Box - 18 hours
  |
  |But 9 year olds are fair game - Also Mohammed


  |u/lokitoth - 1 day
  |
  |"No, they aren't" - Abraham


    |u/TwoCockyforBukkake - 19 hours
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    |Lincoln?


  |u/Zorops - 18 hours
  |
  |''Now, where is my 9 years old wife'' - Mohammed


  |u/Majestic-Fermions - 20 hours
  |
  |It’s interesting how religion constantly changes the rules to suit
  |their self interests. I thought they were pretty set in stone in their
  |literature.


  |u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
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  |Let's see if the government will use them


  |u/elohir - 21 hours
  |
  |"Wait, no, shit..." - Mohammed


  |u/Sersch - 21 hours
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  |They had quite the foresight


  |u/agumonkey - 19 hours
  |
  |> Mohammed  Mohamm.edu  or Mohamm3d


  |u/DroidC4PO - 18 hours
  |
  |I don't know if this is the dumbest ship. I will see on the internet
  |today, but it is definitely a contender.


  |u/rationalparsimony - 18 hours
  |
  |Well, that rules out a career as a YouTube flight reviewer.


  |u/peanut--gallery - 13 hours
  |
  |Yeah well…. Im sure the Supreme Court will assert the founding fathers
  |also opposed VPNs soon.


  |u/Specific-Day-255 - 22 hours
  |
  |“VPNs owned by strangers are bad” - anyone who works in cyber. 


  |u/Select_Truck3257 - 8 hours
  |
  |"but 6 years old wife is normal" - mohammed, the islamic religion in
  |the nutshell (9 when she actually "married")


|u/Fritzkreig - 1 day
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|I've heard VPNs are really popular in Utah, for some reason.


  |u/herberstank - 1 day
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  |Arr ye suggesting hypocritical religious porn pirates matey?


    |u/Fritzkreig - 1 day
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    |Surely they only want to watch British Netflix, well until the last
    |24 hours!


    |u/kountrifiedman - 1 day
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    |Penis!


    |u/Stock-Psychology1322 - 12 hours
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    |Hey now, some of us are just regular heathens who want to watch porn
    |again. It's not our fault that the Church is hopelessly corrupt.


    |u/Eldest_Muse - 4 hours
    |
    |“But was it uploaded or downloaded?” - Liddie Diddler Duggar


    |u/Dr_thri11 - 20 hours
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    |I mean there's no reason to use a vpn for regular porn.


        |u/Stock-Psychology1322 - 12 hours
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        |I mean, regular porn isn't effectively banned in Utah. Some of
        |the largest porn specific sites are banned, but it's still easy
        |to find regular porn on the internet in Utah.


    |u/noneofatyourbusiness - 18 hours
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    |Only fans creators


  |u/Numeno230n - 22 hours
  |
  |Jesus: This sermon is brought to you by Nord VPN. Tired of the
  |Pharasies seeing your scroll history?....


  |u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
  |
  |Gee, I wonder what content they browse.


  |u/PairOfMonocles2 - 18 hours
  |
  |But outside porn doesn’t everyone have to use them for work? And I’ve
  |got one that turns on automatically if I ever joint a public WiFi
  |network. Seems like vpn rates should be super high everywhere! But for
  |porn is fine too. Probably also good atm for anyone searching for
  |information on contraceptives or abortions and stuff. Some states are
  |pursuing super creepy attempts to pursue residents activities in other
  |states.


    |u/AuroraFinem - 16 hours
    |
    |I’ve only needed it for work at one place that I’ve worked. Most
    |places don’t use them for most stuff.


|u/Hias2019 - 1 day
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|Encryption is bad in general according to islamic scholars. This is why
|1400 (corrected) years after publishing the quran you still need islamic
|scholars for its interpretation.


  |u/Perpetually27 - 1 day
  |
  |I think I see what you did there.


  |u/Frostbitten_Moose - 19 hours
  |
  |I mean, used to be a sin to translate the Bible into languages other
  |than Latin until the protestants managed to survive revolting and
  |putting bibles out in modern vernaculars.


    |u/Comrade_Derpsky - 11 hours
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    |The Latin bible is itself a translation. The Old Testament parts
    |were originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic and the New Testament
    |was written in Greek.


    |u/Mghrghneli - 14 hours
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    |Not really, orthodox countries have had their own translations as
    |long as they have been orthodox. Including centuries before the
    |schism.


      |u/ILikeSaintJoseph - 3 hours
      |
      |English and French translations, to name just a few western
      |languages, already existed.


    |u/ILikeSaintJoseph - 3 hours
    |
    |Completely false


  |u/SmoothSecond - 15 hours
  |
  |Underrated burn 🔥


  |u/Dumpster_Fetus - 10 hours
  |
  |Is this a coding joke?


  |u/openwidecomeinside - 23 hours
  |
  |If you read Arabic that makes you an islamic scholar? Anyone can own
  |and read a Quran lol


    |u/LostaraYil21 - 22 hours
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    |You still need training to be considered qualified to interpret it
    |by Islamic religious bodies.  Practically speaking, it was written
    |about 1400 years ago, and written Arabic hasn't stayed static in
    |that time. I've heard one person who was fluent in both English and
    |Arabic describe it as being about twice as much effort to read and
    |process as un-annotated Shakespeare.


      |u/_RADIANTSUN_ - 19 hours
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      |> You still need training to be considered qualified to interpret
      |it by Islamic religious bodies.  Isn't that what we do with
      |history and literature etc if you want to interpret them in some
      |kind of authoritative capacity


        |u/LostaraYil21 - 19 hours
        |
        |I didn't say that it's necessarily bad that you're expected to
        |need training to be qualified, just that it's incorrect to say
        |that you don't.  That said, the Quran itself claims to be
        |written in plain and obvious language. It also says that it's
        |composed in Arabic because you, the reader/listener, are an
        |Arabic speaker, and if a prophet came with a revelation that was
        |not in your native language, you would have an excuse not to
        |accept it, because it hadn't been conveyed to you in terms that
        |were easy for you to understand.


    |u/Fluffcake - 22 hours
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    |The main thing you have to do to be a religious scholar, is to
    |convince other people that you are a religious scholar.    No more,
    |no less.


      |u/SendStoreMeloner - 4 hours
      |
      |The same with doctors and lawyers.


    |u/Hias2019 - 22 hours
    |
    |what?


    |u/SpecialpOps - 21 hours
    |
    |I think you mean classical Arabic?


  |u/whilemy757bend - 19 hours
  |
  |this isn’t true at all…. whatsoever. the arabic i speak at home that
  |my parents spoke with their parents, that my neighbors speak, is very
  |similar to the arabic spoken back then. so close it’s basically the
  |equivalent to “hey yall” vs “hey all”  what about other religions that
  |have scripture in todays english rather than the original aramaic that
  |prophets well before mohammad was around? 😐 that’s okay then right?
  |you call it encryption… while it’s actually preservation. the only
  |ones who have to study really hard to understand and read it are the
  |ones who grew up in another country, such as usa, and barely even
  |spoke arabic at home with family. english became their first language.


    |u/Hias2019 - 16 hours
    |
    |wtf are you talking about? I am mocking islamist ‚scholars‘ who
    |abuse of the Quran to act against technology that allows so enclined
    |Pakistanis to communicate and inform themselves free of suppression
    |and intimidation.  You starting to argue with me tells me more about
    |you than I ever cared to know.


|u/alpharowe3 - 1 day
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|It's almost like religion is just a convenient tool for control


  |u/sexmormon-throwaway - 1 day
  |
  |Huh, weird.


  |u/aamurusko79 - 1 day
  |
  |Sometimes it's so damn obvious when the bible stories are 'adapted' to
  |tell people to behave in a certain way the preacher wants in modern
  |times, but people still in the religion won't see it. The world became
  |so different place when I shed all my religious programming.


    |u/MachFiveFalcon - 1 day
    |
    |Absolutely. Looking across history at how Christianity (and other
    |religions like Islam) evolved to suit the needs of various empires
    |and their leaders... and continue to today... it all starts to feel
    |so contrived.


      |u/solarcat3311 - 22 hours
      |
      |There's even pro slavery bible made to teach slaves to be
      |obedient. Such stuff is seen across multiple religion/culture.
      |Makes sense. If you're ruler and there's two groups, one preaching
      |obedience to the ruler, the other preaching equality and
      |overthrowing tyrants, it's oblivious which you'd support and which
      |get suppressed.


        |u/TheDiscordedSnarl - 10 hours
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        |I bet they have that bible over there to teach their 9 year old
        |wives to... y'know...


      |u/aamurusko79 - 1 day
      |
      |Personally, part of my deprogramming started long before the
      |larger traumas that completely severed me from religion. I thought
      |I was a good believer for reading the bible, but at the same time
      |as my keen teenager mind still had all that fresh in memory, I
      |could see people pulling stories wildly out of context, no more
      |than saying whatever you like and then quote a random passage that
      |kinda finishes the sentence.  Example:  You might think I'm
      |kidding, but god actually recommends Humbug Software's Translate
      |app as it helps people to work together. 'If as one people
      |speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then
      |nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.' Be a good
      |believer and buy Humbug Translate 2.0 today!


        |u/ElectronicControl762 - 15 hours
        |
        |Listening to a dude take a word for a single verse, get its
        |synonym’s latin word’s “meaning” to tell a couple hour message
        |about something unrelated be crazy.


      |u/jxdd95 - 12 hours
      |
      |It always felt manufactured to me even when I was raised into it.
      |People would get angry when I’d ask questions. Now as an adult I
      |can just ask the search engine. And with that… I’m surprise it’s
      |still so popular.


    |u/rosettaSeca - 1 day
    |
    |my favorite parts or the bible are the ones where his people do the
    |most heinous of things and God is just like "Ok" and does absolutely
    |nothing about


      |u/aamurusko79 - 1 day
      |
      |but those are easy to explain away, as god works in mysterious
      |ways that we can't comprehend.  To someone outside religion, god
      |appears to work as a petty teenager who got control over others
      |for some reason and requires unfair things of people for no other
      |reason than to test their loyalty with no rewards for doing so.
      |Take your son, sacrifice him to god! But as you're about to stab
      |your son, just say 'LOL just testing you, nevermind!'


        |u/2Eggwall - 18 hours
        |
        |If you look into how the Jewish religion developed, it makes a
        |lot more sense. Originally, the Israelites were actually
        |[polytheistic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism). The two
        |faces of God simply used to be two separate beings - one
        |(probably El, a god they shared with the Hittites) forcing the
        |sacrifice of his son and Yahweh (The national god - kind of like
        |Thor) helped them trick the other god. The lesson was that if
        |you never stop thinking and are faithful to Yahweh, there can be
        |a way to get out of the most dire situations.   That changed
        |during the [Babylonian
        |Exile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity) - a
        |period of about 50 years where Israelite religious leaders were
        |forcibly transplanted to Babylon in order to keep the Israelite
        |populace under control. In the face of outside pressure the the
        |proto-jewish scholars settled on Yahweh being the only 'true'
        |god. Most of what is now the Torah/Old Testament were previous
        |stories that were codified during the Exile.  That posed a weird
        |problem for this particular story. It was explicitly about the
        |conflict between two Gods, but it was incredibly important. A
        |traditional story about persevering in the face of all odds
        |through ingenuity and faith would probably be quite difficult to
        |completely dismiss given their current situation - sitting in a
        |Babylonian Prison. Since they now believed that God (singular
        |and without a name) was the only deity He had to exist on both
        |sides of the issue, solving a problem that He created in the
        |first place.


          |u/myasterism - 10 hours
          |
          |This is _fascinating_. Thank you for taking the time to share.


        |u/dynawesome - 22 hours
        |
        |He sounds like a 6 year old playing with his legos


      |u/zefy_zef - 23 hours
      |
      |What kind of god tries to control people that reject it? Just
      |punish them with your ignorance and shower your believers with
      |great things. Which clearly isn't a thing, so what a shitty god.


        |u/ghostalker4742 - 21 hours
        |
        |There's a whole part in there where God goes on a rant about how
        |jealous he is, and will punish entire generations of families if
        |they don't show him enough respect. But if you offer him
        |prayers, he'll leave you alone.


          |u/zefy_zef - 17 minutes
          |
          |We need an evil god version of the bible.  Each story is told
          |the same but from the perspective of someone that actually
          |contains moral character. The story is a progress of a
          |person's growing contempt for the creature that does these
          |terrible things.


          |u/TheDiscordedSnarl - 9 hours
          |
          |"Settle down there, Kim. Sanctions won't be lifted until you
          |drink of america from your bottle..."


      |u/BLobloblawLaw - 1 day
      |
      |It's almost as if the universe isn't a person.


      |u/Mavian23 - 18 hours
      |
      |My favorite passage is when a bunch of kids made fun of a bald
      |man, so the bald man cursed them in the name of God, and then
      |ostensibly God sicked two bears on the kids.  >From there Elisha
      |went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys
      |came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!”
      |they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked
      |at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord.
      |Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the
      |boys.  2 Kings 2:23-24


        |u/ILikeSaintJoseph - 3 hours
        |
        |The boys weren’t small kids. An interpretation says they’re
        |young men who benefitted from the water not working in the city
        |(something the prophet fixed) so they came menacing the prophet
        |by telling him to go up just like Elijah had done moments before
        |(which means to leave this world).


    |u/ABucin - 21 hours
    |
    |“And Peter then gazed unto the security protocols and mustered: thou
    |shalt not annoint thyself with VPN traffic!” - Exodus 3:18


      |u/aamurusko79 - 17 hours
      |
      |'You shall not deploy OpenVPN, IPsec or Wireguard' - Exodus 20:13


    |u/GraciaEtScientia - 21 hours
    |
    |Yes, but VPN's with religious programming are fine ;)


  |u/jimicus - 23 hours
  |
  |It makes a lot more sense if you think of it as an early form of
  |proto-government.  Every large group of people will eventually face
  |similar problems:  you need everyone to toe the line for the benefit
  |of the group as a whole.  Which means you need to define group rules,
  |you need some sort of character in charge who has authority to lay
  |down those rules and you need to be able to enforce them.  "Thou shalt
  |not eat shellfish" makes a lot of sense in a society where there's no
  |such thing as refrigeration and shellfish can be particularly nasty
  |for food poisoning.


    |u/moal09 - 19 hours
    |
    |Yeah, how do you get a bunch of people to listen and fall in line?
    |Tell them some great deity will punish them if they don't.  I
    |suspect that a lot of the early rules around shaming/controlling sex
    |were due to population control issues in small village communities
    |where resources were scarce.


      |u/BetterLivingThru - 19 hours
      |
      |It mostly was about property, inheritance, and family power in
      |patrilineal societies with agriculture and hierarchies. It was
      |important to know which man was the father of which child so as to
      |know who would inherit what and which family would be related or
      |allied with which other.


      |u/rd1970 - 18 hours
      |
      |I think it's safe to assume it was to prevent younger people from
      |getting pregnant before they had a husband to provide for them,
      |and from people having multiple partners where no clear party was
      |the parent.  As to why a male dominated, monogamous society
      |emerged from these religions is a whole other conversation.


      |u/bizkitmaker13 - 18 hours
      |
      |>Yeah, how do you get a bunch of people to listen and fall in
      |line? Tell them some great deity will punish them if they don't.
      |[The ol Sky Cake
      |dodge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55h1FO8V_3w). Oh Sky Cake,
      |WHY ARE YOU SO DELICIOUS!?!?


      |u/jimicus - 19 hours
      |
      |Exactly. And arguments against contraception were because the next
      |tribe was having lots of babies and the competition for resources
      |was becoming intense.


    |u/musthavesoundeffects - 18 hours
    |
    |The shellfish thing makes more sense when a rival ethnic group is
    |coastal and eats a lot of shellfish and you want to demonize them.
    |These aren’t practical rules on food safety, they are about culture
    |and trade and politics.


      |u/jimicus - 17 hours
      |
      |Thing is, the exact rationale is neither here nor there.  What's
      |important is it's a tool that can be used to manipulate a society
      |of people into behaving the way you want.


    |u/VallenValiant - 3 hours
    |
    |> "Thou shalt not eat shellfish" makes a lot of sense in a society
    |where there's no such thing as refrigeration and shellfish can be
    |particularly nasty for food poisoning.  Except you are wrong, there
    |is not a single religious food requirement that ever made sense. Why
    |not ban people from eating ACTUAL poisonous foods? Why only ban
    |foods or combinations of that known to be delicious?  It is the same
    |reason why you get told to cut bits of skin off your male heirs; it
    |is about making you different. If pork was actually poisonous then
    |no one would have made it forbidden to eat it. Because if those who
    |are not of your faith wouldn't eat it either, you would not have
    |made the differentiation. it is never about if the food is good or
    |bad, it is about making sure you become SEPARATED from other groups
    |of people.  Religious requirements need to be inconvenient.
    |Religiously forbidden foods need to be delicious and eaten by
    |outsiders. Because you need to be the only ones willing to do
    |something that has no logical reason to do by anyone else.  Because
    |the entire point is to become Exclusive. To have the You separate
    |from the Others. There is no logic to banning shellfish, just the
    |simple fact that it is inconvenient not being able to eat it and
    |thus you are reminded that you are different.


  |u/MeadowMellow_ - 23 hours
  |
  |State and Religion should never mix.


  |u/mildly_houseplant - 23 hours
  |
  |I generally have a problem with people telling me that invisible magic
  |sky wizards are demanding my loyalty. There appears to be a quite a
  |few of these sky wizards, too. And several of them say the others
  |don't exist. Or that believing in them but believing in them in the
  |wrong way, is punishable. And that believing in the others means they
  |will punish you. I figure that invisible magic sky wizards could
  |probably wreck my shit pretty fast if I make the wrong choice. But
  |also, what with me deciding they don't exist, and there being a
  |decided lack of smite occurring around me, I suspect they are were
  |made up all along to scare people into doing things for other people.


  |u/JohnSith - 20 hours
  |
  |"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
  |false, and by the rulers as useful."  * Seneca


  |u/Legitimate_Age_5824 - 22 hours
  |
  |Instrumentum regni


  |u/joy74 - 23 hours
  |
  |It was always so


  |u/Garconanokin - 17 hours
  |
  |There are Christians who are working very hard to not understand this
  |comment


  |u/FerricDonkey - 19 hours
  |
  |Definitely some people use it that way. Some people will use literally
  |anything as a tool for control. But not every religion does crap like
  |this. 


  |u/Alone-Dig-5378 - 21 hours
  |
  |I found the conspiracy theorist right here


|u/joe_6699 - 1 day
|
|They should also declare using the internet is against Islamic law so we
|can have a break from their propaganda on YouTube etc.


  |u/Kirarifluff - 21 hours
  |
  |Honestly give me a properly segregated internet. I would be so happy


    |u/Mavian23 - 18 hours
    |
    |Making the internet into even more of an echo chamber doesn't feel
    |like a good idea.


      |u/phormix - 15 hours
      |
      |I used to agree, but there's a difference between "echo chamber"
      |and "propaganda machine".  I want the old geek-internet back


        |u/Mavian23 - 15 hours
        |
        |Both are bad. Echo chambers can cause people to lose touch with
        |reality. You can end up thinking that some fringe ideas are
        |really popular and common, because everyone you see online is
        |saying it. They can give you false impressions about what is
        |reasonable, and this can lead to people becoming radicalized.


      |u/Parking-Historian360 - 18 hours
      |
      |Segregating it by country would be nice. Russia and China would
      |have to find more convoluted ways to spread disinformation to us
      |Americans.   I'm sure they would just start troll farms in states
      |that want outside  interference like Texas. But at least they
      |would be within us jurisdiction.


        |u/Mavian23 - 18 hours
        |
        |To segregate it by country, you'd have to do exactly what this
        |article is talking about -- make VPN's illegal.


|u/Britannkic_ - 1 day
|
|The only reason they are declaring VPNs as against Islamic law is to
|prevent people bypassing internet controls and viewing material
|considered unIslamic  They could easily just say that instead of this
|bullshit


  |u/Ilovewebb - 1 day
  |
  |But bullshit is what they speak best.


  |u/SteakForGoodDogs - 1 day
  |
  |That's, uhh...what they said.     I mean you have to read the article
  |to find this allegedly missing bit of information, but it's right
  |there.   But as per submission guidelines, the title of the headline
  |and post title must match, so OP was also just following the rules.


  |u/borg_6s - 22 hours
  |
  |Periodic reminder that [the Pakistani head of state used a VPN to
  |congratulate Trump for his election victory on
  |Twitter](https://x.com/CMShehbaz/status/1854079880218222857) so
  |technically he is in violation of the law too.


    |u/taggospreme - 20 hours
    |
    |"yeah but _this is different._"  -conservatives around the world


    |u/TheDiscordedSnarl - 9 hours
    |
    |"Rules For Thee But Not For Me... *if you know what's good for you,
    |inferior creature...*"


  |u/walee1 - 22 hours
  |
  |It is not only material considered unislamic but in general any
  |material people can use to criticize the army or the government. They
  |banned Twitter for the general public but the prime minister and all
  |his cronies are still active on it. Heck they are thinking of even
  |banning reddit. So no they will not say that instead of this bullshit
  |because they are going for something far deeper while allowing their
  |followers to not see what it is.


  |u/lurker_101 - 12 hours
  |
  |> They could easily just say that instead of this bullshit  **Surah 28
  |:** *And Muhammad said "Let there be no VPN's for only I shall have
  |access to your women in scanty Bedlahs"*  .. might be a scam .. not
  |certain though


  |u/Mavian23 - 18 hours
  |
  |>Pakistan’s top advisory body on religious affairs on Friday declared
  |that using virtual private networks to access blocked content on the
  |internet is against Shariah, or Islamic law. > >The Council of Islamic
  |Ideology said the technology was being used in Pakistan to access
  |content prohibited according to Islamic principles or forbidden by
  |law, including “immoral and porn websites or websites that spread
  |anarchy through disinformation.” > “Using VPNs to access blocked or
  |illegal content is against Islamic and social norms, therefore, their
  |use is not acceptable under Islamic law. It falls under ‘abetting in
  |sin,’ ” said the statement, quoting the council’s chairman, Raghib
  |Naeemi.  You didn't open the article, did you?


|u/No7088 - 1 day
|
|Hilariously impotent to say that. It’s like saying we should not use
|electricity in the modern world. People are going to use every tool
|available to them, always


  |u/RadioactiveGrrrl - 22 hours
  |
  |The Amish eschew most modern technology and conveniences as part of
  |their religious commitment to plainness and simplicity. They believe
  |that technology like electricity can lead to evils like pride,
  |competition, and fragmentation within the community.  During Shabbat,
  |Orthodox Jews refrain from working and using technology to focus on
  |spiritual renewal. Therefore, they avoid turning lights on or off,
  |switching appliances on, and other uses of electricity during this
  |time.  Seventh-day Adventists refrain from actively operating
  |appliances and lights during their Sabbath.  Some Native American
  |tribes reject electricity to maintain heritage and independence  In
  |short, there are more anti-technology folks out there than just this
  |Islamic sect.


    |u/Opi-Fex - 1 hour
    |
    |>The Amish eschew most modern technology  Kind of. They are allowed
    |to use some tech in some cases. For example phones or computers are
    |allowed for their work. What they're not allowed to do is bring
    |these things home.


  |u/twangman88 - 23 hours
  |
  |That’s exactly what Jewish scholars did though…


  |u/Unlucky-Fly8708 - 18 hours
  |
  |As with all laws, making something illegal isn’t actually going to
  |stop anyone from breaking the law.  But it does give authorities a
  |legal basis to punish those who break the law. Now that wily dissident
  |who covered their tracks so we’ll you never had something to come
  |after them for is breaking the law by covering their tracks.


|u/AccomplishedCommon34 - 1 day
|
|Not surprised! I remember, last year, when an Indian space mission
|landed on the moon, a few fringe clerics in Pakistan declared the moon
|as Haram (prohibited under Islamic law) saying that Shaitan is now on
|the moon, so let's boycott the moon and Eid altogether.


  |u/queen-adreena - 1 day
  |
  |I imagine being on the moon makes facing Mecca a lot easier.


    |u/Aerodrache - 19 hours
    |
    |… oh wow, now you’ve made me imagine what a mess it would be for
    |muslim colonists on Mars.


      |u/warr-den - 17 hours
      |
      |I was super curious and googled this a few years ago. Apparently
      |muslim astronauts just have to generally face "earthwards" (also
      |for washing purposes, space counts as a desert)


  |u/Hamza-K - 9 hours
  |
  |>a few fringe clerics in Pakistan declared the moon as Haram
  |(prohibited under Islamic law) saying that Shaitan is now on the moon,
  |so let's boycott the moon and Eid altogether.  Literally nobody said
  |that   Wtf does “moon is Haram” even mean? Indians really be coming
  |with anything based on the nonsense their media feeds them.


|u/OneMorewillnotkillme - 1 day
|
|Wait didn’t a Pakistani government official use one to congratulate
|Trump ?


  |u/utg001 - 18 hours
  |
  |It was the prime minister


|u/Smart_Guess_5027 - 23 hours
|
|God  architects with zero trust model , he prefers secure authentication
|and SSL ,TLS encrypted traffic over VPN. it’s all written down in Surah
|443 Ayah 80.


|u/Dont_Knowtrain - 1 day
|
|Guessing it’s a part of trying to censor anything Imran Khan, as he is
|still the most popular figure


|u/Aust1mh - 1 day
|
|As per usual. Weaponizing religion, use it to strike down people you
|disagree with or you want to control.


  |u/ElCunto1999 - 1 day
  |
  |Very good!


  |u/Hefty-Librarian8891 - 1 day
  |
  |They can try something bigger if they don't mind.


    |u/ALilBitter - 23 hours
    |
    |Black Dragon Dildo pagers?


      |u/wpyoga - 23 hours
      |
      |Walkie-talkies, of course!


  |u/bikbar1 - 1 day
  |
  |I was warned by Reddit for being too violent for advising so some
  |other islamofascists the same.


|u/TravellingMills - 1 day
|
|Isn't that country the biggest consumer of gay porn?
|[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342217/Pakistan-internet-
|users-Google-searches-gay-sex-despite-worlds-homophobic-countries.html](
|https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342217/Pakistan-internet-
|users-Google-searches-gay-sex-despite-worlds-homophobic-countries.html)


  |u/aeoveu - 22 hours
  |
  |That's an article from 2013.  11 years old!  You can't measure VPN
  |traffic, and pornhub et al are blocked, so there are no Google trends
  |in that regard available.


  |u/duckwwords - 3 hours
  |
  |Indian cowshiteater, that propaganda expired in 2015.


    |u/TravellingMills - 3 hours
    |
    |Being gay is not a crime, no need to pretend just embrace yourself.


  |u/Ilovewebb - 1 day
  |
  |Of the brain and nuts


    |u/Responsible_Pizza945 - 1 day
    |
    |Those goddamn Jedi


      |u/OwnElevator1668 - 1 day
      |
      |Lacks freedom unlike sith. We all sith unite


    |u/DefenestrationPraha - 1 day
    |
    |Depends a lot on how much power that religion has.   Islam in
    |Pakistan is very powerful. Too powerful.


      |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
      |
      |Pakistan Is a democracy, the locals like this sort of shit they
      |vote for It.   There are compilation on the internet of the deeds
      |of their mobs, most of them too graphic to show.
      |https://youtu.be/Vklhn9nU6WU?si=UvyckNcMu3BkGKFc  Stop looking for
      |an easy answer and face the reality for what It is.


        |u/TravellingMills - 1 day
        |
        |They aren't a democracy.They are ruled by military and not a
        |single prime minister has completed their term, coups are
        |regular.


          |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
          |
          |They ha regular elections, don't excuse them. That's what they
          |believe.


        |u/borosky1 - 1 day
        |
        |US is a democracy too......


          |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
          |
          |Your point?


    |u/sexmormon-throwaway - 1 day
    |
    |One?! Hahahahaha


    |u/MachFiveFalcon - 1 day
    |
    |Evangelical Christianity was the driving force behind getting Roe v.
    |Wade overturned, and now there's so many more women struggling to
    |get abortions.  Modern Christianity doesn't seem to cause as much
    |suffering as Islam, but it's definitely not blameless either.


      |u/FlattenInnerTube - 1 day
      |
      |Give it time. Talibangelism is coming.


    |u/Vineyard_ - 23 hours
    |
    |Nah, religions are cancer.


    |u/GraeWraith - 1 day
    |
    |Which single one is causing all the problems? I want to hear how
    |much dumb this answer can contain.


      |u/Roaring_Beaver - 1 day
      |
      |I dunno, any specific religion that encourages its followers to
      |fly planes into skyscrappers or blow themselves up in the hopes of
      |killing random infidels or force underage girls to be the fourth
      |wife of an old guy or chuck gays off rooftops?


      |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
      |
      |>I want to hear It, my Fedora is ready  The one that in Iran makes
      |girls disappear if they go around without a scarf, the one that in
      |Germany calls for a caliphate and the enslavement of locals
      |guilty of let them in . The one that approved marriage with 9 year
      |old girls in Iraq.   This is just the kind of crap we read on the
      |news the past week.   People like you would last 5 minutes under
      |sharia law, so stop acting like some sort of devil's advocate.


        |u/MachFiveFalcon - 1 day
        |
        |Islamic terrorism seems to be the most widespread form of
        |religious terrorism, but it's definitely not the only kind:  [ht
        |tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu\_terrorism](https://en.wikiped
        |ia.org/wiki/Hindu_terrorism)  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chr
        |istian\_terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terro
        |rism)  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya\_genocide](https:
        |//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide)


            |u/MachFiveFalcon - 1 day
            |
            |I don't love Islam at all. I see all religions as having the
            |potential to be used by powerful people to oppress and
            |manipulate others. High rates of poverty, poor education,
            |and dogmatic interpretations of religious teachings make
            |that risk much higher in certain regions of the world.


              |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
              |
              |Saudis have more money I can Imagine, they still behead
              |people for witchcraft. You are dealing with and ideology
              |and a culture, they choose forms of suprematism.   You
              |can't be a leftist and defend It or condone It.   I dont
              |have problems with secular societies, even those who are
              |majority muslims, I do have problems with societies that
              |give rights based on religion sexuality and sex.   In
              |Europe new leftist movements are rising up, but reddit Is
              |still stuck in a dead American like left based on DEI.


                |u/MachFiveFalcon - 1 day
                |
                |I wasn't trying to defend or condone Islamic
                |violence/oppression. I'm sorry if I came across like I
                |were.   Saudi Arabia is a great example to rebut what I
                |said about poverty/ poor education.   I personally get
                |frustrated when people mention how Islam has harmed
                |people but deliberately ignore what fundamentalist
                |Christianity has done in the US (however minor it might
                |seem in comparison).   You seem willing to criticize any
                |religion that deserves it, and I appreciate that.


        |u/GraeWraith - 1 day
        |
        |Who are People Like Me again?


          |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
          |
          |Liabilities.


            |u/GraeWraith - 1 day
            |
            |Even your hatred is lazy. :D


      |u/theGRAYblanket - 1 day
      |
      |Why bother asking when you already know the answer. 


      |u/Tacklestiffener - 1 day
      |
      |It's the one with the invisible sky-friend..... oh wait...


    |u/Quarktasche666 - 1 day
    |
    |Let me guess, you're either a racist or a white "christian" male,
    |possibly both. Have a good day and *god bless you* lol


      |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
      |
      |No but you are either a muslim or one those leftists that believe
      |islam Is gonna give them comunism when they are the religion that
      |Is furthest away from communism.   Either way people like you
      |deserve to live under sharia law.


        |u/Quarktasche666 - 1 day
        |
        |I'm not a muslim. I don't like islam either. But saying islam is
        |thr only bad religion is fucking ridiculous when right now some
        |woman is dying from not getting her dead fetus aborted in the US
        |of A or when some kid gets a bullet through their head in the
        |name of Jahwe. In fucking 2024.  So go fuck yourselves.


          |u/Sgonfia_bici - 1 day
          |
          |>B-but the one woman in US.  Ok, let's use dead bodies as a
          |meter for toxicity.  Last year the world had 23k deaths as
          |results of islamists terrorist attacks.   And this is just
          |terrorism, the number of deaths occuring within a system, like
          |the woman you mentioned? Impossible to estimate, Wars? Not
          |counted.   Does It seems comparable to you? Is your life in US
          |comparable to the lifestyle you would experience in Iran,
          |Pakistan or in the rich Saudi Arabia?


            |u/sunrisegalaxy - 1 day
            |
            |How many people have Jews killed in the name of freeing the
            |holy land with support from christian fundamentalists? I'm
            |an atheist btw and thank god! for that


      |u/Histerion01 - 1 day
      |
      |Touch some grass


|u/No_Shine_4707 - 1 day
|
|I can respect peoples religious beliefs, but they dont even follow their
|own bloody book. The Koran explicitly states that there should be no
|compulsion in religion, the bible says only god can judge. Its like the
|core message. Yet there they always are, forever imposing their beliefs
|and judging everyone else.


  |u/Brilliant-Lab546 - 1 day
  |
  |Context. The first part was said when they were in the minority. The
  |views change towards the end when they became the majority and what
  |you stated became the default.


    |u/Feligris - 1 day
    |
    |Which is a good way to illustrate how holy books are thought up by
    |humans and the content comes from humans, since it tends to reflect
    |the world at whatever time the various parts were written.  Since
    |being nice and accommodating is indeed good when you're the minority
    |which needs acceptance, and once you become the majority you can
    |clamp down and start tightening the screws.


  |u/brus_wein - 1 day
  |
  |The Qur'an kind of contradicts itself, since it also calls for the
  |death penalty for apostasy


    |u/Necessary_Escape_680 - 1 day
    |
    |I know atheists don't need to hear this, but there is unlikely to be
    |a single consistent religion out there. They're human inventions and
    |interpretations which evolved alongside us. Scripture reflects our
    |human hypocrisies better than any work of art we could ever conceive
    |of.


      |u/Fritzkreig - 1 day
      |
      | Man; just chillin with cats, and watching Dragonball Z while
      |eating pizza is, well pretty fucking consistent in my book!


        |u/shoestowel - 23 hours
        |
        |I signed up to the same region as you pal!


      |u/brus_wein - 12 hours
      |
      |As far as I know the Qur'an contradicts itself some times
      |("abrogation"), and the apostasy thing is common knowledge. The
      |difference in opinion is on what the definition of apostasy is,
      |but it does call for the death penalty. Again, this is as I
      |understand it.


        |u/Justarandomfan99 - 3 hours
        |
        |No. Once again, it doesn't.  At any point. Not even close.   The
        |ruling you refer to is from hadiths, aka hearsays about what
        |prophet may have did or said.  Quran itself never even implies
        |such punishment.  "Abrogation" only applies in regards to
        |previous scriptures, such as the Bible since Muslims follow
        |different rulings. Quran never abrogates itself. Nothing implies
        |Quran abrogates itself


  |u/ILikeSaintJoseph - 3 hours
  |
  |> the bible says only god can judge  Taking things out of context
  |won’t win you the mind of religious people.


|u/guyfrompakistan - 1 day
|
|Just to be clear, this isn't Pakistan's religious body. Rather it is the
|soft military dictatorship we've been under for the past 2 years.
|Twitter has been blocked for over a year now.   Whenever a political
|party would hold rallies, TV channels were banned from covering them.
|Then the party started streaming their rallies on twitter, youtube,
|facebook.  Then during the rallies, the country's internet would
|randomly shut down due to "maintenance." And with no internet, you
|couldn't access youtube or twitter.  For normal use, people began using
|VPNs to access these sites (when we had internet). I think ProtonVPN
|even offered free premium tiers to help people access the internet
|(don't quote me on this, this something I just vaguely remember).
|Basically this is just another step in a dictatorship securing its power
|and keeping masses dumb and stop them from accessing information taht
|might be critical of them. Local journalists, after disappearances,
|assasinations, tv channel closures, offices being raided, have learned
|to echo the ruling line.   Dissent is not to be accepted.  Not to say
|that Pakistan's "religious bodies" aren't dumb, they can be phenomenally
|stupid. But this isn't the actual reason.


  |u/guyfrompakistan - 1 day
  |
  |Just as venting another frustration, this dictatorship and our
  |democracy being overthrown is sponsored by Joe Biden (of course there
  |isn't a document saying that explicitly, but you put together enough
  |pieces of the puzzle over the past 2 years, from financial support to
  |what the press secretary has been saying rather positively about
  |Pakistan and the government, including internal leaks in Pakistan, and
  |statements made by the military, its obvious).  You would think that
  |someone who nearly lost his own democratic mandate (January 6), would
  |go and honor the mandate of others.  So much for that. Thanks Joe,
  |we're in a dictatorship that doesn't seem to be going away anytime
  |soon.


|u/Velociraptorius - 21 hours
|
|Oh, shoot, is the almighty, all-knowing god having problems seeing past
|internet encryption?


|u/shaolinspunk - 20 hours
|
|Any religion that needs "religious scholars" to "interpret" the meaning
|of scriptures to the point they say VPN is against the teachings is a
|farce.


|u/Capt_Picard1 - 20 hours
|
|lol. Where do these Islamic crazies come from


  |u/Callofboobies - 3 hours
  |
  |Who could have predicted banging one’s head on the floor 5 times a day
  |could be damaging to the mind. Not Mohamed apparently.


  |u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 - 7 hours
  |
  |They come from believing in the craziest cult ever invented.


|u/AwkwardBlacksmith275 - 19 hours
|
|Does anybody offer a Halal VPN?


  |u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 - 7 hours
  |
  |I can do that, it will take you to just a handful of Shariah complaint
  |websites. I also offer you good plans.


|u/jibaraki - 17 hours
|
|Ahh yes page 13, verse 37 of the Quran.  "Those heathens whom hide their
|IP addresses shall be stoned to death, and will only have dial up, and
|T9 phones in the afterlife."     .. I'm paraphrasing, but I think that
|was the gist of it.


|u/Brilliant-Lab546 - 1 day
|
|Surfshark is Haram- Mohammed


|u/BaronVonLazercorn - 1 day
|
|"Welcome to religion. Where the rules are made up, and you don't
|matter."


  |u/shoestowel - 23 hours
  |
  |"And the purpose of religion is to control you fools for my greed"


|u/Dragon_yum - 21 hours
|
|If the prophet can marry a six year old without vpn so can you


|u/MR-DEDPUL - 1 day
|
|This is what they are focusing on, instead of the terror threats in
|Baluchistan or the fact that the common man can’t even afford food or
|have guaranteed electricity on the daily.   This is what happens when
|you partition a country on the basis of religion. It leads whole
|populations astray.


|u/Sugar_addict_1998 - 1 day
|
|God I fucking hate people who force their lifestyles into others


|u/Thelefthead - 23 hours
|
|See this is why I Identify as a Heretic. Because this is clearly the
|word of a man, and not the word of a celestial.


|u/Delicious-Tachyons - 21 hours
|
|Ahh yes we've all read that Hadith


  |u/PsychologicalTalk156 - 21 hours
  |
  |"Oh say to the faithful do not use the VPN like those of the Abu
  |Quraysha do, for that is shirk of the yahood" Hadith Tech Support 3:14


|u/Exact_Watercress_363 - 20 hours
|
|remember even credit cards are against islam


  |u/cwthree - 18 hours
  |
  |That's because charging interest on loans is explicitly forbidden.
  |Credit is essentially a loan, and the credit card issuer charges
  |interest on unpaid balances. If you could come up with a credit card
  |that didn't charge interest (maybe charging a flat monthly fee for the
  |right to carry a balance up to a set limit), it _could_ become halal.


|u/Mist_Wave - 20 hours
|
|Religion and cults has to go… this the dumbest shit


|u/HeisGarthVolbeck - 18 hours
|
|When it's obvious that "religious" leaders are lying through their
|teeth.   In fact in Bible in the books of Networking 1 it is written:
|"And LO, the LORD said unto them 'Virtual private networks are my gift
|unto you, my children.  Use them and remember ME when perusing
|pornography. AAAAAAAA-meeeeeen."


|u/AnEvilMrDel - 18 hours
|
|They just make shit up as they go


|u/Narf234 - 17 hours
|
|Making shit up at this point.


|u/platz604 - 16 hours
|
|VPN's are haram!!- mohammed


|u/Suzzie_sunshine - 14 hours
|
|That's the last straw. I'm not going to Pakistan now. Trip cancelled!


|u/dogfoodlid123 - 1 day
|
|I’m pretty sure that Allah is using vpn to view this shit show


|u/bpeden99 - 1 day
|
|Do they care to cite the regulation being violated, or is this a control
|issue?


  |u/YuriNeytor - 1 day
  |
  |They just take the Qur'an and scribble some more stuff in. That makes
  |it Law.


    |u/bpeden99 - 1 day
    |
    |Yeah, I don't think VPNs are mentioned in the Quran. I think the
    |Muslim "law" they are referencing is made up by man with intentions
    |of restricting a populace liable to rebel.


  |u/Haftnotiz5962 - 20 hours
  |
  |Muslim scholars regularly derive answers to modern problems from the
  |Quran. It's not that hard to come up with Islamic arguments against
  |VPNs by looking at passages which oppose deception and disobedience
  |against Islamic rulers.


|u/CDragon00 - 22 hours
|
|Isn’t that how the prophet hid his child porn addiction?


|u/Impressive-Pizza1876 - 23 hours
|
|Yeah ? Well God told me personally that you are a liar and to do what I
|want as long as I don’t harm others .my claim is just as strong as yours
|.


|u/wwarnout - 22 hours
|
|It seems strange that many religions claim that things that didn't exist
|when their religion was founded are against their law.


|u/SolarDynasty - 22 hours
|
|I thought the fatwa against Pokemon couldn't be beat. I think the
|religious body here should be excommunicated. Just me though.


|u/CaptainofFTST - 21 hours
|
|Lo, when you cloak your presence upon the web, Beware the shadows where
|truth and trust may ebb. For the masked path is not always secure, And
|what seems hidden may still endure. - Not Mohammed


|u/mheran - 20 hours
|
|Of course, it is haram to use a VPN 😒


|u/WorldEcho - 19 hours
|
|I missed that bit of the Koran when I read it. Maybe they are
|interpreting something that means you can't hide things.


|u/Shaajee - 18 hours
|
|This is one of the current attempts from the army to stifle anti-army
|sentiment on social media. They banned X/Twitter since February since
|they cannot control ppl expressing anger about their constant meddling
|and undemocratic ways. So people turned to VPNs. The govt wants ppl to
|use only "registered" VPNs (you can guess why). Now they generated this
|declaration from the govt's religious body, which is on their payroll
|and under their control, to try to stop ppl from using VPNs.


|u/AnomalyNexus - 18 hours
|
|Anyone listening to those religious idiots deserves what they get


|u/Forsaken_Hermit - 15 hours
|
|Where in the Quaran or Hadith does it talk about anything resembling a
|VPN?


  |u/Korahn - 15 hours
  |
  |"And the holy prophet proclaimed "Fuck NordVPN!" So it is written


|u/Bamfurlough - 14 hours
|
|What a pathetic country. Pakistan is going to be even worse in a decade.


|u/_Figaro - 12 hours
|
|Using VPN is "against Islamic law", but using the internet in general is
|ok???


|u/fireship4 - 11 hours
|
|DNS over https... haram.  And that thing you do with your hands.  Very
|bad.


|u/Sharpshooter188 - 11 hours
|
|Religion is such bullshit.


|u/true-skeptic - 10 hours
|
|As written in the Quran. 🙄🙄🙄


|u/prachanda_Ravanaa - 8 hours
|
|Isn't watching TV and mobile phones itself against the islamic law.


|u/Bobby_Rocket - 1 day
|
|They have the internet in the quran?


|u/el_americano - 13 hours
|
|to be fair Jesus never endorsed using VPNs either


|u/AggressivePack5307 - 23 hours
|
|Aka we can't control you...


|u/SofaKingRekt - 1 day
|
|soon the whole internet will be illegal in islamic countries like UK


|u/CaptainObvious1313 - 1 day
|
|Awesome. Can’t wait for some more of that religious doctrine to dictate
|laws here in the USA. Of course, it will be Christian, but I wonder how
|Jesus feels about retro game emulators.


|u/SlothBirdBeard - 1 day
|
|Someone better tell them to remove NORDs Karachi servers then


|u/Dawg_Prime - 21 hours
|
|i have never laughed so hard


|u/Prestigious-Bunch-75 - 21 hours
|
|Can he reference the hadith


|u/Wizzle-Stick - 20 hours
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|so....no more pakistani employees for american organizations? does this
|mean that we will see a reduction in tech support over seas?


  |u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 - 7 hours
  |
  |Dude, American companies don't use Pakistan all that much.


|u/Spirited_League5249 - 20 hours
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|What do the clerics think about Tor? 😆


|u/Shionkron - 20 hours
|
|This is why the STATE should have ZERO say in matters of FAITH! They
|will use it as a form of control. As an American some people of a
|certain party keep wanting this, and as a person of faith it’s
|disgusting!!!!


|u/PrincipleInteresting - 19 hours
|
|The CIA doesn’t like Pakistani to use VPN either. Glad to hear they’re
|on the same page.


|u/DefinitelyNotPeople - 17 hours
|
|Where’s that in the Quran?


|u/ksbla - 16 hours
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|I've been trying to find the Prophet's IP for a long time but it seems
|to be hidden.


|u/not_anonymouse - 15 hours
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|Damn, Muhammed was a way ahead of his time!


|u/SatynMalanaphy - 15 hours
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|Having common sense is against orthodox Islamic laws.


|u/TifosiManiac - 14 hours
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|What do they think of Bitcoin?


|u/Repulsive-Lobster750 - 11 hours
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|The global biggest gay porn watcher is going dark


|u/mervmann - 6 hours
|
|Iraq also just recently made the age of consent for marraige to be 9
|years old. What a backwards region of the world.


|u/gregwarrior1 - 5 hours
|
|「vpn bad」 says the CCP


|u/Rain2h0 - 23 hours
|
|I wish life would just give these folks a reality check soon. Sick of
|these extremists. I know actual religious people who aren’t extreme, and
|use religion as a faith to pray for success in what they’re trying to
|accomplish, and don’t make their lives revolve around religion.   Edit-
|spell check


  |u/tawwkz - 20 hours
  |
  |But there's no money in that.


|u/kaisadilla_ - 23 hours
|
|I'm not gonna be the one defending Islamic fundamentalism, but the
|headline is false. What that religious body said is that using a VPN to
|access immoral content is still immoral, which is obvious and very
|different to what people who only read the headline believe they said.


  |u/drhugs - 19 hours
  |
  |> immoral content  aka forbidden (very long) numbers


|u/InformationWhich7214 - 1 day
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|Can these guys stop linking everything to religion and get to actual
|work? It might help save their begging asses. Religion would mean
|nothing if you don’t have money and economic prosperity. 


|u/Sweet_Television2685 - 1 day
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|use halal vpn


|u/CryptographerMore944 - 19 hours
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|VPN is Haram! 


|u/cvbarnhart - 17 hours
|
|Islam, ladies and gentlemen.


|u/MessageMePuppies - 20 hours
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|Thank fuck I live in the US, a country where religion does not impact
|policy-making.....oh wait.....


|u/Redrose03 - 1 day
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|lol human are superb experts at mental gymnastics


|u/HandsInMyPockett - 22 hours
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|I agree with this ruling. After all, we all know Mohammad was using
|dial-up on a 256k up/down so it’s only fair.


|u/keeprunning23 - 22 hours
|
|God sure is a busy body these days.


|u/ShockedNChagrinned - 1 day
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|Sounds like the case can be made that TLS itself is bad, so just let
|Pakistan go back to good old http.


|u/ThenReveal - 1 day
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|Its not the religious body its one the govt institute trying to keep
|people from criticising people first they banned X but people kept using
|it through VPN now they are using religion to stop people twiter but
|people are bot fool


|u/DevastatorCenturion - 1 day
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|I've heard of not having enough to do during the day but this is
|ridiculous. 


|u/thisis_not_throwaway - 23 hours
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|🤣🤣🤣🤣 anything goes when you rule a heard with no mind of their own


|u/silsum - 23 hours
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|Pakistani religious body can't spell VPN.


|u/CorrectTarget8957 - 23 hours
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|What:" thou shan't pretend to be American to watch netflix"?


|u/BritishAnimator - 22 hours
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|Pakistan becomes cybercrime hotspot of Earth.  In other news, law makers
|insist the pictures are not theirs.


|u/paladdin1 - 22 hours
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|And now you know Taliban is reformist.


|u/Aggravating_Loss_765 - 22 hours
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|We can't soy on you?! Bam. Banned :)


|u/Longjumping_Bus2395 - 22 hours
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|It’s basically page 3 of the Quran


|u/fastolfe00 - 21 hours
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|In fairness, I have it on good authority that Baby Jesus also has an
|issue with VPNs today, but I think he was mostly concerned about the
|lack of post-quantum cryptography.


|u/Aldo_Raine_2020 - 21 hours
|
|Jesus is about to do that for the USA too.


|u/markelis - 21 hours
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|VPN is what's keeping those countries together.  I dont think we realize
|the service that porn provides for the rest of us. /s


|u/92DL - 20 hours
|
|Well they hate our freedom and democracy but love our hot tub twitch
|streaming girls!


|u/purseaholic - 20 hours
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|What’s vpn


|u/Fit-Engineer8778 - 19 hours
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|Wot this isn’t grape


|u/Shoddy-Conference-43 - 19 hours
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|In convinced that our great filter is religion as a explanation for how
|the world should work and those that abuse faith for control over the
|masses.


|u/iSoReddit - 17 hours
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|Convenient


|u/Mclarenrob2 - 17 hours
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|What's the punishment?


  |u/Odys - 17 hours
  |
  |No internet for a year.


|u/im_another_user - 17 hours
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|Lile we say in french, "Touche à ton cul."


|u/Martha_Fockers - 17 hours
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|“What is a virtual private network” - god


|u/a_fking_feeder - 14 hours
|
|thou shalt not tunnel


|u/aza-industries - 14 hours
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|No ideas except the ones we allow you to see?


|u/TheTeenageOldman - 14 hours
|
|He should sign a deal with one of the major VPN providers and get in on
|that sweet, sweet affiliate cash. Without that his podcast is going to
|go nowhere!


|u/CitizenPremier - 2 hours
|
|The title is misleading, it says using a VPN to look at things already
|illegal in Islamic law is illegal.  Just telling people that VPNs don't
|fool Allah, I guess.  Of course we aren't fans of Islamic law here, and
|clarifying this sounds like it's defending it... But I hate that "Islam
|bans VPNs" is going to be a new factoid


|u/itsl8erthanyouthink - 1 day
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|VPN consortium: *changes its designation to Private Virtual Network
|(PVN)*  Islamic Law: You win this round!


|u/xsv_compulsive - 19 hours
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|God said it, it must be true


|u/SurgeLoop - 9 hours
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|Soooo when is the american tali- i mean red states gonna use this for
|their own religious gains?


|u/Nolimitz30 - 23 hours
|
|Republicans taking notes for when they ban porn


|u/abrazilianlawyer - 1 day
|
|At least they just issued a harsh note. Here in Brazil, during the
|twitter ban, you would get fined for US$10k(the minmus wage is below
|300usd) for trying to access it through a VPN


  |u/LawabidingKhajiit - 1 day
  |
  |Were any of those fines actually issued in the end?


|u/crushingwaves - 13 hours
|
|That’s why US needs to invade to bring democracy. I know many people are
|against this but it’s true.


  |u/gregory92024 - 11 hours
  |
  |You recall how well that went the last 3 times


    |u/sirazrael75 - 9 hours
    |
    |And also ask Russia.  Never learn from our mistakes


  |u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 - 7 hours
  |
  |Are you crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. There are 0 gains from invading a country filled
  |with barbarians who have sworn fealty to a ideology of hate.


|u/Your_nightmare__ - 22 hours
|
|Man the bot situation is bad here, in another forum tackling the topic
|they stated, hey bypassing blocks to garner illicit material is bad and
|that was that (this is going over the ridiculous title). Over here you
|have /r atheism's smooth brain  circlejerk mixed with ai speaking with
|eachother (or both contemporaneously)