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|u/qubitwarrior - 1 day
|
|Here's the relevant quote: “It is certain that the war will end sooner
|with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House. This
|is their approach, their promise to their citizens,” Zelensky said in an
|interview with Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne.
|u/lucky5150 - 1 day
|
|"The war will end soon with this administration, because Trump said he
|would end the war" Yup, sounds legit to me I think I forgot this ...
|/s
|u/GeneralZaroff1 - 23 hours
|
|I mean, what is he going to do, insult trump? He’s fighting for the
|survival of his people. He knows trump is a child who needs constant
|praise or will turn on him.
|u/kittenshart85 - 23 hours
|
|imagine being the leader of a beleaguered country whose survival
|hinges on the whims of a petulant, narcissistic man-child.
|u/fiendlylobster - 22 hours
|
|You've made an excellent summary of world history!
|u/Leege13 - 21 hours
|
|Half of Rome’s emperors were exactly like this.
|u/piffelations479 - 20 hours
|
|Hey man, don't blame me. I voted for Caligula. Now if
|you'll excuse me I have to go attack the body of water near
|my house.
|u/SteveSeppuku - 20 hours
|
|Make sure you pick up the prettiest of the sea shells.
|u/Wild_Harvest - 18 hours
|
|Sure thing, right after I ask this fine Gallic gentleman
|what he's doing with his buddies outside my abode.
|u/KGBFriedChicken02 - 17 hours
|
|We're here for your stuff. And We're Germans, not
|Gauls. Now fork it over you greasy, no-pants-wearing,
|sacred-forest-cutting, latin bitch.
|u/RockstarAgent - 17 hours
|
|This may or may not ^bode well for you
|u/DadJokeBadJoke - 18 hours
|
|This guy doesn't know how to use the three shells...
|u/UsernamesAllTaken69 - 19 hours
|
|Could you ask the tides to retreat?
|u/My51stThrowaway - 18 hours
|
|If I pray to the moon god at the right time, they will.
|u/Practical-Ball1437 - 14 hours
|
|that's Cnut.
|u/UsernamesAllTaken69 - 14 hours
|
|I know. I'm glad at least one person knows what I was
|sayin lol
|u/jfrs759 - 13 hours
|
|I voted for Caligula ☠️ Lol
|u/SalamanderCake - 19 hours
|
|I nearly choked on my breakfast! I hope you're proud of
|yourself.
|u/The_Brofucius - 17 hours
|
|You fisted us all!!!
|u/UltraVioletUltimatum - 16 hours
|
|I heard his horse was top tier!
|u/subhavoc42 - 12 hours
|
|Collects some shells when you get to the shore!
|u/jjandre - 20 hours
|
|Yeah, but they're doing great right? The Roman Empire, I
|mean.
|u/EqualContact - 18 hours
|
|For as much of a mess as they were, they existed for far
|longer than any current nation’s system of government.
|u/behavedave - 14 hours
|
|Lasted for about 1000 years, it was an incredible run.
|u/ngojogunmeh - 8 hours
|
|When you think about it, few emperors did made SPQR
|great again.
|u/Leege13 - 7 hours
|
|Some would argue the empire actually continued under
|the guise of the Catholic Church.
|u/jfrs759 - 13 hours
|
|Did pretty great for over 2000 years so yeah. By Far far
|far the most of any civilization
|u/asdf_qwerty27 - 18 hours
|
|All. The ones we remember well were just the ones who got to
|write their own history. The ones we remember poorly were
|written by people who didn't like them.
|u/OddShelter5543 - 19 hours
|
|Remember that time Nero castrated a slave boy and made
|forcibly married him as his wife? Pepperidge farm remembers.
|u/joeitaliano24 - 17 hours
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|We need more Diocletians, just say no to being all powerful
|and grow some sick giant cabbages
|u/gimmo30 - 16 hours
|
|You watched gladiator II last night didn’t you….
|u/Leege13 - 15 hours
|
|Nah, I’ve read about ancient history all my life.
|u/mgj6818 - 21 hours
|
|The last 200ish years have been the exception, not the rule.
|u/yiliu - 20 hours
|
|And apparently people were looking back with nostalgia...
|u/ItsFuckingScience - 16 hours
|
|>the whims of a petulant, narcissistic man-child. Hitler
|was in the last 200 years and this describes his leadership
|u/Chris266 - 21 hours
|
|Thank you history of Rome!
|u/DeeJayEazyDick - 17 hours
|
|Yeah trump is an idiot, but so many leaders in human history
|grew up knowing one day they would be in charge and were very
|conceited.
|u/DregsRoyale - 16 hours
|
|And the corporate world
|u/kamesha - 15 hours
|
|Now cut to a sped up video of all wars spliced together played
|to Yakety Sax
|u/Velocoraptor369 - 22 hours
|
|Welcome to the new America!
|u/SpiritualSyrup8610 - 16 hours
|
|You mean new Russia!
|u/blahblah19999 - 20 hours
|
|We had this 8 years ago
|u/GrizzLeo - 17 hours
|
|Yeah but it's had time to ferment in the closet for the past
|few years, I'm not expecting the next four years to be
|similar to his first term.
|u/blolfighter - 16 hours
|
|Meet the new America Same as the old America
|u/soapinthepeehole - 15 hours
|
|What’s old is new again. If we don’t learn from history
|we’re doomed to repeat it. Yadda yadda yadda.
|u/Ok-Elephant7557 - 17 hours
|
|Welcome to the Jungle!
|u/pleasedonteatmemon - 22 hours
|
|It's almost like there wasn't a lead up, say in 2014, that
|should have triggered European nations (particularly those in
|Western Europe) to put some more effort into Ukraine. But alas..
|Nothing major happened then & it's all one big mystery.
|u/randylush - 21 hours
|
|It’s not a mystery to me at all. Russia buys politicians in
|the US. Full stop, just pays for them. They are cheap. I
|don’t know much about European politics but I’m sure there are
|plenty of Euro politicians and talking heads that are paid by
|Putin. And I’m sure the Russians moved the needle on Brexit
|too.
|u/slackfrop - 17 hours
|
|Buys em? Hell, he manufactures them. Pick a chump, get him
|or her elected. Takes the guesswork out of it.
|u/RepulsiveCelery4013 - 19 hours
|
|As a european I consider this to be be 99.9999% probable.
|u/flexxipanda - 19 hours
|
|As a german, not only AfD has too many ties too russia.
|Its obvious.
|u/bothering_skin696969 - 18 hours
|
|Its always these extreme right parties, same with SD in
|Sweden.
|u/64590949354397548569 - 14 hours
|
|>Russia buys politicians in the US. Full stop, just pays for
|them. They are cheap. In THE US of A, you don't buy
|politicians. You lobby them. And be sure to talk to your
|accountant, not lobbying are tax deductible.
|u/Glad_Firefighter_471 - 19 hours
|
|You play the hand ur dealt; to do otherwise would be silly
|u/ladymorgahnna - 12 hours
|
|Two petulant, narcissists man-children. He’s juggling Putin’s
|megalomania on one hand and Drumpf’s megalomania on the other
|hand. God bless Zelensky. He’s been a really amazing man and
|leader.
|u/IcyBookkeeper5315 - 20 hours
|
|Whose already in Putin pocket. Lose lose I’d say sadly
|u/Competitive-Care8789 - 20 hours
|
|Sounds like my adolescence.
|u/en_pissant - 17 hours
|
|if ur American, you don't have to imagine
|u/PilgrimOz - 15 hours
|
|And he's gonna be in office again. So it's gonna be more than
|one country's fate. For those who are gonna say 'you're an
|Aussie. No skin in the game!'. Oh, it's gonna affect the entire
|planet. And we send our young 'Defense Force' members to kill or
|die right beside Americans. Every time. Not my skin. But
|definitely worried for my fellow Aussies. And fellow humans.
|It's getting real out there. And, there's a narcissistic,
|petulant child who is like gonna screw it all up.
|u/unruled_circumstance - 22 hours
|
|Two man-child’s including Putin
|u/BigReaderBadGrades - 20 hours
|
|Plus you can see how many decades Zelenskyy has aged since his
|first meeting with Trump, in the Oval, slumped in that chair
|with his boyish face...
|u/Character-Teaching39 - 17 hours
|
|“Petulant, narcissistic man-child”…whose ass is also owned by
|the very adversary you’re fighting against.
|u/creedokid - 21 hours
|
|Hell imagine being a citizen of a country whose president is a
|petulant child and who survival hinges on his whims
|u/kittenshart85 - 21 hours
|
|can't say it hasn't been at the back of my mind for a week or
|two.
|u/Ass_feldspar - 21 hours
|
|Who owes Putin?
|u/Vashsinn - 20 hours
|
|It's a little more unsettling than that. We have the biggest
|airforce in the world ( us airforce.) the second largest, is the
|US navy. Think about that. We have more air ships in our
|navy than the rest of the world in their home lands. And we
|gave all this power to someone who throws tantrums if he is not
|praised like a fucking child. We live in a country that if
|the entire rest of the world were to attack us combined, we
|would easely win, with little to no damage due to our location
|and surrounding lands. Simply 4 of our 8 Ish submarines can
|litteraly nuke the rest of the world. And we put a man child
|in charge of it.
|u/Bender_2024 - 23 hours
|
| >I mean, what is he going to do, insult trump? He’s fighting for
|the survival of his people. He knows trump is a child who needs
|constant praise or will turn on him. This was my take as well.
|Trump is on record repeatedly saying "I don't like people who
|don't like me." Zelenski is trying to placate the man child and
|hopefully continue to get military aid. I don't have much hope he
|will succeed but good luck to you Zelenski. Keep fighting the
|good fight.
|u/politicalthinking - 21 hours
|
|The problem is that Zelensky is not only going up against Trumps
|ego he is also going against whatever blackmail Putin has on
|Trump.
|u/ThandiGhandi - 19 hours
|
|At this point what blackmail material could Putin have that
|could harm Trump? Nothing sticks to the guy. I doubt
|whatever Putin has will either
|u/Local_Initiative2024 - 18 hours
|
|If they leaked a video of Trump having sex with a twelve-
|year old, then what? Fake news. Putin has to become yet
|another sycophant if he wants to benefit from Trump.
|u/Innalibra - 14 hours
|
|People would just claim it was an AI video. AI video is...
|[really quite insanely good already](https://www.reddit.co
|m/r/aivideo/comments/1gcp47j/chef_gordon_ramsay_takes_on_t
|he_greatest_horror/)
|u/BannedByRWNJs - 18 hours
|
|Maybe it’s not even kompromat. Maybe he just stops helping
|him. Russian banks stop funding his businesses and
|campaigns, his army of trolls and bots turn the cult against
|him… his entire house of cards falls apart, he’s impeached
|and removed from office in disgrace, and he dies a poor,
|lonely loser.
|u/-something_original- - 17 hours
|
|Oh man. That’s some of the best fanfic yet! I want that
|timeline next!
|u/SnooPuppers1978 - 12 hours
|
|Don't think he'll have any monetary issues from working
|with Elon now.
|u/scarletpepperpot - 17 hours
|
|I think you might be underestimating the FSB’s methods and
|capabilities. They’ve spent decades fully focused on
|Kompromat as *a governing strategy*. Combine that with
|zero checks, balances or moral compass, and the sky is the
|limit.
|u/Innalibra - 15 hours
|
|People have been publishing dirt on Trump since 2016. It's
|just noise at this point. The man is a cult of personality.
|The only thing that's gonna hurt him is the perception that
|he's weak.
|u/Sirveri - 16 hours
|
|They show nude photos of Melania on Kremlin TV while Solvioff
|(sic?) makes comments and Putin snubbed him by not calling him
|gives me a very small amount of hope he might act petulant to
|Putin.
|u/paris86 - 16 hours
|
|And a grudge. Trump doesn't like Zelensky since the "perfect"
|phone call.
|u/Vincent_VanGoGo - 19 hours
|
|Mmmm yes. Just like all that blackmail material against
|Congress, right?
|u/politicalthinking - 19 hours
|
|I suspect that some is floating around the Kremlin on some
|of the people in Congress and they vote as told.
|u/Vincent_VanGoGo - 19 hours
|
|Beijing is more likely. We don't build factories in
|Russia, probably haven't since the 1930s.
|u/Icy-Suggestion-8662 - 18 hours
|
|but how does trump do that and not piss off Russia? He can kiss
|Trumps ass all he wants, its not happening
|u/BannedByRWNJs - 18 hours
|
|Trump tried to use the threat of Putin crushing Ukraine’s
|democracy as leverage in an extortion scheme pressuring
|Zelenskyy to help Trump undermine American democracy. Trump
|would have sold out Zelenskyy, the entire country of Ukraine,
|and American democracy, just to get re-elected in 2020.
|Obviously, Zelenskyy was smart enough to say no, and he knows
|Trump is not an ally.
|u/bobbyrba - 23 hours
|
|this is the only correct response
|u/big_duo3674 - 23 hours
|
|Yep, he's a brilliant leader and knows exactly what he needs to
|do. If he has to get a nasty taste in his mouth from sucking up
|to Trump he's more than willing to do it for his people, which
|is awesome. It may not work still, but it's awesome
|u/zerobomb - 22 hours
|
|I am glad someone else agrees with me. I have watched this guy
|go from congenial sitcom star to battle hardened leader of his
|people through the horrors the invaders have wrought. His
|people should be proud of him.
|u/YetagainJosie - 21 hours
|
|How many current world 'leaders' could convincingly swallow
|their pride and their rage and do what they need to do to
|help their nation. If aliens landed and demanded we send
|our best leader to negotiate earth's future I'd probably
|send Zelensky. Or Buttigeggegeg.
|u/Interesting_Cow5152 - 19 hours
|
|Booty-Judge. It is what it is.
|u/Adorable-Bike-9689 - 21 hours
|
|It took me a bit of time to realize Zelensky's backstory
|wasn't a made up internet joke. A comedian type dude thrust
|into one of the biggest roles of this era. Living up to it
|too
|u/sybann - 20 hours
|
|Unlike OUR reality tv failure.
|u/lilbittygoddamnman - 21 hours
|
|I was just thinking of this the other day. He's a modern day
|hero man.
|u/keypusher - 21 hours
|
|I doubt it matters what Zekensky says or does, Trump will
|likely cut all funding to Ukraine very quickly.
|u/Snickims - 20 hours
|
|Honestly, I'm not sure. Trump is the epitome of wild card.
|People say trump won't cause of Russian blackmailing, and I
|do think Russia has dirt on trump, but honestly, what dirt
|could they have that would matter? I'm seriously struggling
|to think what evidence putin could show that would effect
|trump anymore.
|u/okhi2u - 20 hours
|
|Trump is so vain that all sorts of dirt could matter. Even
|if they showed he was worth $900 million and not 1 billion
|or more that would devastate him.
|u/Snickims - 20 hours
|
|A very good point. He's a fucking insane, egotistical
|wild card.
|u/nullpointer- - 19 hours
|
|I'm thinking more and more like this as well: it's clear
|now that Trump is so deep in the post-truth world that
|there's no piece of information that could tarnish him
|with his base nor further delegitimise him AND any
|information coming from Russia will have no credibility
|among the west. In addition, Russia certainly has less
|resources available to blackmail and take action against
|Trump now than 4 years ago. Of course, Trump might as
|well favor Russia because he likes it, but considering he
|has thrown multiple former allies under the bus and
|changed his rhetoric in a whim, it wouldn't be too
|surprising if he decided to screw Putin out of nowhere and
|then gloat about his ingenius 4d chess play. (in
|addition, someone might convince him of tipping the scales
|in favor of Ukraine and forcing a peace deal so he can get
|a Peace Nobel Prize - it wouldn't even be the most absurd
|one, if it happened!)
|u/slackfrop - 17 hours
|
|Turnps best relationships in life are all people with their
|backs against the fire and have to appease him. Could you
|imagine that being your only source of solace in life? His
|soul is withered to black.
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 23 hours
|
|It's what former NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg did for 4 years with
|Trump and all the other allies loved it.
|u/goodsby23 - 19 hours
|
|Which brings up another point... Why did someone who had been
|impeached twice get elected again... Faith in humanity lowered
|u/Mateorabi - 17 hours
|
|Because they wouldn’t convict him. “He’s finished, whats the
|point, he’s already out” was part of their reasoning. Ignoring
|that it prevents future runs too. They thought he couldn’t
|come back anyway politically and didn’t want to piss off his
|followers for two news cycles ages away from any next
|election.
|u/SakaWreath - 22 hours
|
|Not only praise, but Trump wants retribution for not manufacturing
|dirt on Biden during the 2020 campaign. >*”Trump blocked payment
|of a congressionally-mandated $400 million military aid package,
|in an attempt to obtain quid pro quo cooperation from Ukrainian
|president Zelenskyy.”*
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
|Europe will need to fill the void that the US will leave behind.
|u/natetheloner - 18 hours
|
|That fact the he was not removed from office for that is
|infuriating
|u/Unnamedgalaxy - 21 hours
|
|Yeah he's definitely intentionally saying nice things to butter
|him up so Ukraine doesn't get royally fucked. They are still
|fucked but sucking up to trump might give them a better chance.
|u/ArticulateRhinoceros - 22 hours
|
|A child inclined to side with his enemy. At this point, Zelensky
|has to kowtow or he starts losing chunks of Ukraine to Russia in
|the peace deal. The more he resists the worse Trump will make the
|treaty for him. He has little choice.
|u/Comfortable_Gur8311 - 21 hours
|
|It hurts to think, but I don't see any deal where he doesn't
|lose every inch of land they've already lost.
|u/RecklesslyPessmystic - 20 hours
|
|You're saying, "Pray I don't alter it further" like Darth Vader?
|u/ArticulateRhinoceros - 19 hours
|
|Trump is.
|u/phonartics - 21 hours
|
|Americans voting for Trump basically confirmed that they’re okay
|with giving up everything to Putin, so that’s just the way things
|are now, unfortunately
|u/Hairy_Practice_4186 - 19 hours
|
|The rest of the surrounding Countries will fall. Europe is next.
|Thank you, Trump voters!!! Hope you like autocratic, fascist
|rule! Just look at the clowns he’s nominated for Cabinet
|posts!!!
|u/quickblur - 22 hours
|
|This is exactly it. He knows Trump holds the keys so he's going to
|have to do anything he can to get the best deal possible. What
|else can he do when he's literally trying to defend the lives of
|his entire country?
|u/formala-bonk - 20 hours
|
|I think he is smart enough to just give trump some strong words
|and praise and then play his ego against putins public behavior.
|Kind of like “see you’re the stronger leader who can show Putin
|that you can win any war… by supporting us”. It would definitely
|work on trump but you gotta convince his so strongly he just
|ignores his handlers
|u/AsleepTonight - 22 hours
|
|Also, he’s not wrong. With trump in office I think the weapon
|deliveries from the US will stop, thus Ukraine will be weaker and
|that’s why the war will end sooner with trump in office
|u/Dray_Gunn - 22 hours
|
|Yep. Dude is just speaking politics and saying what he has to win
|over the people who can help him protect his people. He is putting
|his people before his pride.
|u/GeneralZaroff1 - 22 hours
|
|Yup. This is what actual leaders do. Put the lives of their
|citizens in front of their own ego or personal profit. It’s
|disgusting that we’ve gotten so used to the opposite that this
|is a surprise. He can literally kiss Trump’s shoes and I
|wouldn’t lose an ounce of respect for him because he’s doing it
|for his country.
|u/intisun - 22 hours
|
|Zelensky would endure any public humiliation if it meant saving
|more of his people. That's what true leaders do. Trump would
|rather let a million people die than have his ego bruised.
|u/Beefmagigins - 23 hours
|
|Yup, he isn’t dumb. You have to flatter the dipshit or he will
|fuck them over hard.
|u/d4ve3000 - 22 hours
|
|Imagine having to grovel to this guy 🥲 gonna be afk the next 4y, i
|cannot take another round i think
|u/lucky5150 - 22 hours
|
|I agree, as unfortunate as it is
|u/MuteCook - 22 hours
|
|People are so wrapped up in it yet don't understand politics AT
|ALL. It's all emotion for them.
|u/sybann - 20 hours
|
|THIS. He's fully aware he needs to kiss the Excretion's ass to get
|ANYTHING. Please god, four years flies by and it doesn't kill us
|all.
|u/choleric1 - 19 hours
|
|I have such respect for Zelensky. I don't know what kind of peace
|time president he was or could be, but as a war time leader the
|man seems to have been unflappable and a constant rock for his
|people. He has barely put a foot wrong diplomatically. This is
|what a leader should be like, no ego - just doing what is required
|for your people. The contrast between these two men couldn't be
|more different.
|u/RayMckigny - 21 hours
|
|Because trump is going to give Russia whatever they want
|u/Logic-DL - 20 hours
|
|Been wild to see people demonise a man for doing what he can to
|keep his country independent lmao When it was Biden in office,
|it was all "go Ukraine go" and now he's praised Trump because he
|literally has to in order to keep getting help, it's now "I hope
|Ukraine dies" basically.
|u/SkiAMonkey - 23 hours
|
|Exactly
|u/SomeGuyNamedPaul - 23 hours
|
|Meanwhile it's also an insult to Biden which at this point might
|probably get a response favorable to Ukraine.
|u/Critical_Mass_1887 - 21 hours
|
|He may as well, trumps already told zelensky there will be no more
|weapons or aid from US.
|u/theWizzzzzzz - 21 hours
|
|THIS! ⬆️
|u/FunctionBuilt - 20 hours
|
|One of my facebook “friends” used this as a reason why he voted
|for Trump. Essentially the people are afraid to cross him because
|of how vindictive he is.
|u/Honey-and-Venom - 19 hours
|
|It'll end sooner and with a far worse outcome. He's right and he's
|pointing clearly to why
|u/Kalicolocts - 19 hours
|
|Exactly, nobody knows what will happen but this is the right play
|by Zelensky. If he can make Trump a hero all the better for
|everybody.
|u/clarity_scarcity - 19 hours
|
|Love it. Zelensky continues to consistently prove himself as a
|leader in a nation’s ultimate time of need. Undoubtedly the only
|true hero in my lifetime. If only the Western leaders had a
|fraction of this resolve for his people.
|u/GalumphingWithGlee - 23 hours
|
|Is he really even saying the war will end sooner? He's saying "The
|war will end sooner, according to Trump's promises." It's not clear
|to me that he's aligning himself to agree with those promises, just
|reiterating the promise here.
|u/rupertavery - 23 hours
|
|Yes, as a leader, he knows diplomacy.
|u/satireplusplus - 22 hours
|
|And he knows how to play someone like Trump. But it should be
|obvious that he was hoping for a madame president, but also made
|contingency plans before the election. Like meeting with Trump
|before the election.
|u/ilikepizza30 - 22 hours
|
|Plus 'the war will end sooner' could also quite easily mean
|because Ukraine will lose due to less weapons/money/support and
|the United States helping Russia.
|u/_Nicktendo_ - 22 hours
|
|Exactly, feels like that quote came with an unspoken "one way or
|another".
|u/OsmeOxys - 20 hours
|
|That's Zelensky's point, buried in the obligatory praise for
|Trump. He's not being subtle about it either, but it doesn't
|matter because Trump has always been too stupid and narcissistic
|to realize anything beyond the ass kissing. Unfortunately I
|don't see it doing much good since Putin not only kisses his
|ass, but spreads his soiled cheeks, gives him plenty of money,
|and got him elected twice.
|u/bruce_lees_ghost - 23 hours
|
|He needs Trump’s support and won’t get it if he doesn’t bend the
|knee. Sad, but true. Fuck all the flaccid dicks that put Trump
|in office.
|u/Mr_Coily - 20 hours
|
|And dry vaginas! Fuck them too
|u/Vylaer_ - 21 hours
|
|There's some genuine optimism for pro Ukraine diplomats in Europe
|because Biden's administration has been calibrating support to
|prevent a Russian battlefield or society collapse. If Trump isn't
|making progress finding a diplomatic solution quickly and the
|Ukrainians convince him they can just win with some more arms and
|the freedom to use them in Russia... Who knows.
|u/Professional-Box4153 - 23 hours
|
|"Can't have a war in Ukraine if there is no Ukraine." - Trump
|probably.
|u/addictedskipper - 22 hours
|
|Can’t have a war if Ukraine is fully conquered.
|u/Hyperpoly - 21 hours
|
|Why do people reply to a comment and just reword the comment
|weirdly?
|u/SigmundFreud - 19 hours
|
|/r/yourjokebutworse
|u/Magi_Rayne - 23 hours
|
|I went over to r/conservative and their responses were scarily naive
|in his response. A top comment was “yea that’s because adults are in
|charge now.” And I was like in my head: “Are you fucking joking me?
|Did you not see who Trump just nominated for AG? It’s gonna be a
|circus if anything…” I don’t think people in r/conservative can
|see past their noses. Zelensky is clearly being professionally
|sarcastic in that Trumps inaction for the help of the Ukrainians
|will be the end of the war.
|u/Allegorist - 22 hours
|
|There are still Russian state "information warrior" accounts
|around pushing pretty deliberately bad takes. There are also those
|that believe them and repeat them, which is obviously their goal.
|The past few days particularly I have seen the narrative that not
|only did the US have chemical weapons facilities in Ukraine, but
|that Russia had no choice since Ukraine cozying up to NATO is an
|existential threat to Russia, that it was "encroaching on their
|borders", and that it doesnt matter because it's all "historically
|Russia" and has some Russian demigraphics. A bunch of neatly
|verbatim Russian misinformation propaganda. Keep an eye out for
|accounts less than a year old almost exclusively pushing these
|takes, particularly 6 or 7 months for some reason. There are older
|or younger accounts for sure, but there seems to have been waves
|around that time. Also here is a well written paper by the US
|Army War College on Russian information warfare: https://publica
|tions.armywarcollege.edu/News/Display/Article/3789933/understandin
|g-russian-disinformation-and-how-the-joint-force-can-address-it/
|They cite a former KGB disinformation chief that 75% of their
|budget is spent on “a slow process focusing on what we called
|ideological subversion or active measures.” They state that Russia
|was behind pushing AIDS disinformation and conspiracies decades
|ago, and September 11 conspiracies, so even in it's current form
|it is hardly new, just increased efforts and improved tactics.
|This goes a lot further with the midern internet though, so don't
|underestimate their volume or persistence.
|u/TaylorMadeAccount - 20 hours
|
|I don't understand. American conservatives believe that "the US
|have chemical weapons facilities in Ukraine, so Russia must
|destroy our weapons"? I mean, why would our enemy (Russia)
|destroying our own weapons (US) in a foreign country (Ukraine)
|be beneficial to us? Can they not see how absurd it is? And how
|is NATO expansion bad? I mean, if anything, Russia being kept in
|check is actually a good thing considering how they finance the
|media in surrounding countries to give them a good image and try
|to sway them into their side.
|u/Luph - 23 hours
|
|you have to understand that conservatives believe nuance is a
|place in france
|u/lilbittygoddamnman - 21 hours
|
|I've never heard this phrase, but I love it. Reminds me of the
|one, "tipping is not a city in China."
|u/Floatella - 22 hours
|
|...and don't understand that cancel culture comes from the
|Cancel region of France and is nothing to be afraid of if you
|aren't xenophobic.
|u/edu5150 - 21 hours
|
|And that denial is in Egypt.
|u/DangerousGoose7576 - 22 hours
|
|I saw this same post and was like 🤔 Before I even read the quote,
|I could make an educated guess about what he was actually saying,
|and it looks like I was right. The ignorance truly gets more
|astounding by the day.
|u/BreakMeDown2024 - 23 hours
|
|You're talking about conservatives as if the majority understand
|how tariffs work.
|u/TotalNonsense0 - 20 hours
|
|Why do we let them say "tariff?" It's a tax. There is no
|meaningful definition by which they are not a tax.
|u/ratherbealurker - 23 hours
|
|I feel bad for anyone who thinks of Trump or his cabinet picks as
|adults. It tells me you never fully grew up to be an adult and
|never really met an adult. It’s the same for people thinking he’s
|tough. How the hell can the guy who whines all day long and
|constantly has to act like he’s tough be tough? You never met a
|real strong person, and that’s sad.
|u/ArticulateRhinoceros - 22 hours
|
|They never grew up enough to gain the perspective that the bully
|isn't tough, he's painfully, obviously insecure. They still see
|temper tantrums as a demonstration of raw power and not a sign
|of poor emotional regulation.
|u/ratherbealurker - 22 hours
|
|True but the same people complaining 10-15 years ago that
|there are no more “strong silent types” fell head over heels
|for the exact opposite. I have family that used to say that.
|They also love to say how street smart they are while they
|reject any and all proof that the things they believe are lies
|and fall for obvious cons.
|u/SendStoreMeloner - 23 hours
|
|If you invite a clown into a palace you don't get a king you get a
|cirkus.
|u/Velocoraptor369 - 22 hours
|
|The lunatics are now in charge of the Asylum. Welcome to Gotham we
|jut put the joker in charger of the country.
|u/Due-Current-7817 - 22 hours
|
|A significant portion of comments there, like here, are by bots.
|By "significant", it could probably be a majority.
|u/Disastrous_Visit9319 - 21 hours
|
|Lol they love all of Trump's picks. I saw one person say it was
|like watching trump assemble a dream team. These people are not
|intelligent the only metric they consider is if the person is a
|rabid maga that regularly gets headlines for publicly sucking off
|trump. What I always love about the conservative sub is
|watching reactions to things right after they happen versus a day
|later when they've had time to consume rightwing media telling
|them what to think. When gaetz name first came out there was
|actually a ton of posts saying they didn't understand it and that
|it's a bad choice but the next day it was all holy shit matt gaetz
|is the best he's gonna do so much good law stuff!
|u/paiute - 21 hours
|
|> I don’t think people in r/conservative can see past their noses.
|I guarantee meme guy says that if 90% of the people in that sub
|see past their noses they probably are looking at the Kuskovo
|Estate Museum.
|u/The_Elusive_Dr_Wu - 21 hours
|
|Here's a concept. Get ready. It's coming. A nation which cannot
|defend itself is a failed state.
|u/NewestAccount2023 - 19 hours
|
|It's not just that sub. Tens of millions of their voters are
|exactly like that too. Go watch street interviews of the average
|Republican. Also remember how trump got 70 million votes a few
|weeks ago?
|u/pennylanebarbershop - 22 hours
|
|Right, it's hard to think of a promise made by Trump that's ever
|been unfulfilled.
|u/Twister_Robotics - 20 hours
|
|/s You dropped this And yes, it IS necessary.
|u/Fluffcake - 23 hours
|
|What else can he do? Blowing smoke up Trump's ass is his only play.
|Trump may be stupid and incompetent, but he is vindictive and very
|much have the power to *delegate* coming up with ways to hand Russia
|the win as fast a possible to someone competent if you piss him off.
|u/TheBigLebroccoli - 22 hours
|
|And Mexico will pay for it. Just like happened in his last term.
|u/Leraldoe - 22 hours
|
|I got bad news for him……8 years ago Trump promised ACA was out “day
|one”
|u/cienderellaman - 22 hours
|
|Americans rally behind your president challenge: impossible.
|u/Critical-Climate-623 - 22 hours
|
|What else can he go off of? He trusts the words of the people that
|keep him alive
|u/Fun-Wallaby-8393 - 22 hours
|
|Didn’t he promise Arabs he would do a ceasefire when he won haha.
|Look what happen there
|u/Plucky_ducks - 23 hours
|
|The same Trump who never even met that woman?
|u/mmmmpisghetti - 23 hours
|
|She wasn't his type. Especially after he confused her with his ex
|wife. 🤣
|u/Plucky_ducks - 22 hours
|
|Who Melany?
|u/mmmmpisghetti - 21 hours
|
|Marla Maples
|u/Specific-Day-255 - 22 hours
|
|Trump is going to surrender to Russia
|u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 - 21 hours
|
|I mean, zelensky isn’t wrong, the war will end sooner because trump
|is much more willing to let ukraine lose. Zelensky also doesn’t
|wanna peeve off trump, he relies on american support, he’s gonna
|suck up to trump to maintain ukraine, and that’s totally fair.
|u/Annonomon - 21 hours
|
|I laughed while listening to the Joe Rogan podcast when Trump
|claimed that the war would never have happened on his watch. When
|Joe asked him how he would have stopped it, Trump replied with “I
|would have said to Vladimir “you’re not going in…..you’re not going
|in”.”They way he said it was hilarious
|u/donall - 20 hours
|
|Trump said it and he's not a liar right?
|u/Low-Woodpecker-5171 - 20 hours
|
|I mean, Trump did say Putin could do whatever the hell he wanted to
|Ukraine. Promise kept, sovereignty lost.
|u/guestHITA - 19 hours
|
|If it does will you come back here and make an apology ? Or will you
|then start saying the whole war was a hoax putin had to get trump
|elected blah blah blah ? No need to answer cry harder
|u/Sanhen - 17 hours
|
|Unfortunately for Ukraine, what Trump says matters the most in this
|matter. US arms supplies/funding are critical to Ukraine's war
|effort. Europe hasn't done enough to put itself in a position to
|fill that void, so Ukraine can't defy Trump while counting on Europe
|to pick up the slack. So if Trump ceases arms shipments, Ukraine's
|hopes of a positive outcome drop tremendously. America voted for
|Trump, and in the end, that probably killed Ukraine's hope of
|preserving its territorial integrity. Now it's just about trying to
|minimize the loss by appeasing Trump as best possible.
|u/lucky5150 - 14 hours
|
|100%. This right here.
|u/EternalAngst23 - 1 day
|
|So… essentially giving lip service to Trump?
|u/MatticInYoAttic - 1 day
|
|To me it sounds like he is holding Trump accountable to his words he
|said over and over on his campaign trail. Seems like a smart move,
|unfortunately for him he doesn't know that people don't give a fuck
|if trump was lying the entire time.
|u/SourcingCrowd - 1 day
|
|He knows. But he is playing with the cards that has been dealt.
|u/00ezgo - 1 day
|
|He definitely knows. He's just trying to keep innocent people
|alive and he doesn't have the luxury of choosing sides.
|u/tingkagol - 1 day
|
|Definitely. He knows Ukraine is most likely screwed with Trump
|in office and is using power of suggestion as a last ditch
|effort to coax Trump and a pro-Putin white house into doing the
|right thing.
|u/Balc0ra - 1 day
|
|The one thing Trump's campaign did show, was that he is easily
|motivated to do the opposite if his ego gets hurt
|u/username_elephant - 1 day
|
|“A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust
|with nuclear weapons.” That's really the main thing anyone
|needs to keep in mind about Trump. It stuck in my head
|after the first run and I'm sure it remains applicable
|today.
|u/checkthisoutson - 23 hours
|
|It would be amazing to see if a coalition of world leaders
|could use that knowledge for good and just pull him in every
|direction until he gives up lol.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
|
|Let's hope Ukraine convinces Trump that Putin is talking
|smack about him 24/7 then.
|u/Tirras - 23 hours
|
|Which is almost certainly happening already. Say what you
|want about Putin, but he definitely knows what an easily
|manipulated dumb ass Trump is.
|u/The_Bard - 23 hours
|
|Trump has no core values but narcissism and never admitting
|he is wrong. Trump said he will fix Ukraine, Zelensky
|agreed. His hope is that he will dig his heels in and
|actually work to end it sooner.
|u/OderusAmongUs - 1 day
|
|That would be insanely naive of him. Trump is going to hand
|Ukraine to his handler on a silver platter.
|u/XanLV - 1 day
|
|So he shouldn't try?
|u/OderusAmongUs - 1 day
|
|Of course. His country is at stake. All the headway
|they've gained is. But any American knows for a fact who
|Trump is beholden to and it's not the guy who he got
|impeached over the first time.
|u/XanLV - 23 hours
|
|I'm so sleepy this morning, I can not understand if
|people agree with me or not, because I have framed it as
|"so he shouldn't?" and people answer with "yes." As in,
|he shouldn't. So I am not sure where folks are aiming
|right now and waht's what. All I know for sure is that
|there is nothing much else he can do. As you said, the
|country is at stake.
|u/Skyler827 - 21 hours
|
|For what it's worth, I agree with you, the incoherent
|reply above adds nothing to the conversation.
|u/Tina_ComeGetSomeHam - 1 day
|
|Zelensky should liberate America we're being held captive
|by fascism he's the hero we don't deserve!
|u/pimpmastahanhduece - 1 day
|
|Precisely, that's what separates statesmen from cowards.
|u/Livid_Advertising_56 - 23 hours
|
|He knows. But he's trying to do everything to MAYBE buy time
|with sweet words.... or at worst, show the world he wasn't
|antagonizing Trump, and he STILL left them to die.
|u/Slytherin23 - 1 day
|
|U.S. isn't the only game in town. Europe, Korea, and Japan
|can do something still.
|u/OderusAmongUs - 23 hours
|
|Take a look at who has given the most aid to Ukraine. EU
|as a total has given slightly more than the US, but as a
|standalone, the US is dwarfing other countries regarding
|aid. European leaders are currently coming up with a plan
|to continue helping Ukraine if Trump backs out. They're
|talking about possibly having to put NATO boots on the
|ground for instance.
|u/heyzeto - 1 day
|
|Exactly, you need to work with what you have. We have a saying
|in my country that translates roughly to "unshit yourself" and
|it is what he is doing.
|u/Eowaenn - 1 day
|
|What choice does he even have? Americans just elected a russian
|asset into the highest position of power in their country. He
|will do his best to get along with this mf to save his people.
|Literally the hardest job in the world.
|u/Accomplished_Bid3322 - 23 hours
|
|Heavy is the head that wears the crown
|u/Mixels - 18 hours
|
|Gotta remember this is just the public message. I'm sure his
|tone is very different when speaking with leaders inside of
|Ukraine.
|u/agumonkey - 1 day
|
|Putin is eating the dogs
|u/Javayen - 22 hours
|
|He’s eating the cats
|u/Desperate_Squash_521 - 21 hours
|
|Hide yo gerbils
|u/AmeriBeanur - 1 day
|
|We need to tell Trump that Putin thinks he’s a bitch
|u/InterestingTry5190 - 1 day
|
|He just needs to tell Trump he has some information on Biden
|he will release.
|u/shugo2000 - 1 day
|
|Is Hunter Biden's laptop going to make a comeback?
|u/Classified0 - 1 day
|
|We definitely shouldn't do that, we don't want to start a
|nuclear war
|u/hexcor - 1 day
|
|With alot of flattery
|u/Njorls_Saga - 1 day
|
|That’s one reason why it’s been alleged that Putin invaded while
|Biden was in the White House. Putin thought that Biden would be
|more reasonable and easier to come to terms with because he’s an
|experienced foreign policy operator. Trump doesn’t have a clue
|what is going on…supposedly Putin hated talking to him because
|he had to keep explaining basic concepts to him. Putin wasn’t
|sure what Trump would do because he’s so fucking stupid.
|u/jirashap - 23 hours
|
|I agree with this sentiment in other cases, but it seems
|pretty clear that Putin knows how to manage Trump, and helped
|him get elected (e.g. all these bots that were tied to Russia)
|u/Sokjuice - 23 hours
|
|Well, most presidential candidates are wily old bags and/or
|cowardly in terms of radical moves. Trump is not wily and
|isn't afraid of setbacks because he doesn't even think past
|his whims. Putin definitely would prefer a president like
|Trump to do a majorly stupid thing than another candidate
|that will never entertain a crazy shit show. Even if he
|don't think he can control Trump, there's still a higher
|chance something crazy happens under him. The rest most
|likely play safer for legacy/consequences.
|u/jimicus - 1 day
|
|More to the point, Trump said he'd end the war. Trump did not say
|how he would end the war. It's almost certainly "cede vast
|amounts of territory to Russia with nothing in return".
|u/joat2 - 23 hours
|
|>Trump did not say how he would end the war. He has, It's
|basically give putin what he wants, or at least the vast
|majority. Which is land they already hold. Then on top of it,
|make sure Ukraine can't join Nato. If this happens or looks
|close to happening we might see NATO with boots on the ground in
|Ukraine. It will be NATO without US involvement. Other than
|leaking the plans to putin.
|u/Mixels - 18 hours
|
|I'm not sure how Trump will stop Ukraine from joining NATO if
|he forces the US to leave NATO.
|u/QualifiedApathetic - 12 hours
|
|Good point. I wonder if Putin would rather Trump keeps us in
|NATO and vetoes Ukraine joining. But he's got Orban and
|Erdogan for that. Still, the US has a lot more weight to
|throw around; if Harris were president-elect, we might be
|looking at kicking Hungary and Turkey out, as it's
|increasingly clear that they are not really on their allies'
|side.
|u/Sutech2301 - 1 day
|
|He knows how Trump works and that there is a slight chance that he
|will support whatever country whose leader he vibes best with on a
|personal level. That's why Putin is brown nosing him even though
|you can bet that he (Putin) probably deeply disdains Trump. The
|odds for Zelensky are still pretty low, because Trump probably
|will team up with the one who has the bigger guns, which is Putin,
|but you got to work with what you have
|u/Shivalah - 1 day
|
|Putin showed Melanias nude photos from the 90s, ofc he disdains
|him.
|u/NedRed77 - 1 day
|
|Or that trump never specified who the victors would be.
|u/Shamino79 - 1 day
|
|I think there’s a non zero chance that Putin is the one that
|Trump throws under the bus because it would actually be good for
|popularity.
|u/itsdajackeeet - 1 day
|
|Oh he knows, he's just trying to hold him accountable, as you
|point out. He knows its doomed to fail
|u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
|
|Especially his fans.
|u/Exact_Insurance7983 - 21 hours
|
|Thing is most of Trump supporters are pissed the US keep sending
|aid to Ukraine…I live in a deep red area in PA and I constantly
|hear people bitch about it.
|u/Andrew8Everything - 16 hours
|
|I hope the voters do too. No taxes on tips or overtime Deport
|30 million people day one End all wars day one Build the wall
|and make Mexico pay for it - oops
|u/angusshangus - 1 day
|
|Yep. He’s going to try to appease whoever is our president because
|he’s not stupid. The funny thing is all he has to do is complement
|Trump and he’ll get what his country wants.
|u/Beggarsfeast - 1 day
|
|This is a huge compliment to Trump. Simply agreeing with his lie
|gives it more validation. Zelensky could offer to polish his
|cufflinks every morning, but Trump will never fight against Russia
|to give any land back. Ukraine will likey not get what they need
|from Trump.
|u/neohellpoet - 1 day
|
|He absolutely could. If Russia got him elected and he owes them
|it's actually more in character for him to fuck them over than
|to replay them.
|u/Sure-Sympathy5014 - 22 hours
|
|Trump never pays anyone after the works done.
|u/starlordbg - 23 hours
|
|I hope Zelensky knows this and will try to play him somehow.
|u/Guy_GuyGuy - 21 hours
|
|It’s in character for Russia to fuck Trump over too. A
|cooperative USA is nice for Putin, but a cooperative and then
|humiliated USA is even better. Putin knows not to make his
|stooge in the White House feel too powerful.
|u/Another-Mans-Rubarb - 20 hours
|
|Yeah, Russia got him elected, clearly fucking then over won't
|end poorly for trump. Do you know what blackmail is?
|u/LoveAndViscera - 1 day
|
|I think that’s what he’s going for. This sounds a lot like how
|Trump talks. He is using the playbook his predecessor used with
|Putin.
|u/epsilona01 - 1 day
|
|> So… essentially giving lip service to Trump? The best/only way to
|deal with Trump is to blow smoke up his ass.
|u/Mostlygrowedup4339 - 1 day
|
|I've worked with governments all around the world. A smart leader
|knows how to be pragmatic to optimize their objective outcomes
|within the constraints they are faced. While very difficult to do,
|the rational actor with 0% ability to feel emotions whose only goal
|was to maximize the objective outcome for his citizens would make a
|cognitive profile of Donald Trump, and identify exactly what to say
|to maximize their own outcome. And Trump has an incredibly sensitive
|ego that makes him do very irrational things when his ego is
|attacked. But that sensitive ego also makes Trump very manipulable.
|If Zelenksy is clever and able to handle what his citizens may think
|if him, he may even start saying Trump is really smart and is too
|smart to get outsmarted by Putin, and now he can see how much of a
|political genius Trump is to play Putin like a fiddle so that he can
|be sure Russia doesn't get what they want. And now he knows that
|Trump is too smart and clever to let Putin take Ukrainian territory
|etc. It would leave Trump's subconscious in a bit of a pickle to
|either reject the compliments to his ego or do what Zelenksy says
|and start advocating more for better outcomes for Ukraine. And Trump
|probably would prefer the compliments. Pragmatism can look
|irrational.
|u/bennitori - 1 day
|
|You gotta admit it would be absolutely hilarious if Zelensky
|managed to steal Trump right out from Putin's nose just by playing
|him better.
|u/Mostlygrowedup4339 - 1 day
|
|Comedians love irony. I do comedy on the side too. It's actually
|a really useful and applicable skill. Zelensky is probably using
|his toolbox. You learn language, nuance, how to play people's
|subconscious thinking patterns, how to break tension, how to de-
|escalate, how to think outside the box, etc. Don't underestimate
|how invaluable comedic skills are in "serious" subject matters.
|u/johnp299 - 23 hours
|
|I think this is an amazing insight.
|u/Mostlygrowedup4339 - 22 hours
|
|I appreciate that! I actually LOVE external validation.
|u/agumonkey - 1 day
|
|Putin has the ~powerful leader aura though, I don't see trump
|not responding to that
|u/Mostlygrowedup4339 - 22 hours
|
|Imagine telling Trump the world can see him strong arm the
|political leader. Imagine telling Trump this já his chance to
|secure his legacy and admiration. That he could prove all
|those pesky liberals wrong. Animals and humans actually
|respond really well to positive reenforcement.
|u/TheNippleViolator - 1 day
|
|The inverse as I interpret it. The war will end unfavorably for
|Ukraine due to the lack of support from the US under his
|administration
|u/wizardinthewings - 1 day
|
|Nah he’s been paying attention and fully understands Trump’s
|weakness: his love of flattery. You want the childish id to do
|something for you? Tell everyone he’s a god. Just don’t tell them
|he liked your blow job, or you’ll disappear like Laura Bloomer.
|u/GroundbreakingAd8310 - 1 day
|
|Them or the media apparently
|u/CALM_DOWN_BITCH - 1 day
|
|I think he has good advice in this case, there have even been
|reports of republicans on Trump's side offering guidance to Ukraine
|on strategy for dealing with Trump. For Trump it's a win-win
|situation, his base would follow him either way. However, Trump
|*has* to do something and by any measure he does seem to be poised
|to take "decisive" action. The whole point is to show how important
|and smart he supposedly is, the one thing Trump couldn't accept
|would be being ignored or contradicted. I think Zelensky is being
|smart. He offers a solution and phrases it in a way that Trump can
|save face. Remember he also is offering business incentives,
|economic ties and perhaps a degree of dependency so Trump might have
|his "successful businessman" moment. We know that Putin won't be
|able to pander or offer as much and he won't give in to Trump
|either. There has even been a suggestion the EU might switch
|entirely to American LNG further pulling Trump back towards the
|union and away from Russia, it's biggest fossil fuel competitor,
|with another campaign promise win if he goes that way in reference
|to his bid to "drill baby, drill!. It's a bit scary but I think
|Trump could actually be good for Ukraine, and good for the EU as
|they are all kind of waking up now.
|u/jaytee158 - 1 day
|
|A bit but not entirely. It's [well reported
|](https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/11/07/why-volodymyr-
|zelensky-may-welcome-donald-trumps-victory)that he was getting
|annoyed with Biden's restrictions on what can be done with weaponry,
|particularly the limitations of launching into Russia and the slow
|disbursement of funding. A lot's been fairly made about Trump's
|potential volatility, but it wasn't like the relationship with the
|US was perfect prior.
|u/rwietter - 1 day
|
|> This is their approach, their promise to their citizens. Well,
|that's an ironic tone.
|u/corruptredditjannies - 21 hours
|
|>They have weapons and ammo, but they don't have men. Uh, no. They
|haven't had ammo/weaponry parity pretty much the entire war. You're
|just making shit up. Ukraine isn't losing the battle of attrition,
|the whole West is (edit: for lack of will, not capability).
|>There's a reason you haven't been told the number of Ukrainian
|casualties literally ever. They're doing just as poorly as Russia,
|who have throughout the conflict largely enjoyed an advantage in
|artillery, which is *huge* in the type of conflict being fought. Ah
|so Ukraine doesn't have enough ammo/weaponry after all? We have been
|told casualty numbers, you just choose to ignore them. We also have
|OSINT, and there has always been evidence that russians are losing
|more.
|u/DrakonILD - 18 hours
|
|"I need ammo, not a ride."
|u/02C_here - 1 day
|
|I JUST watched CNN cover this. The way they presented the quote was
|very different.
|u/iwellyess - 19 hours
|
|Which was…?
|u/YeastGohan - 22 hours
|
|>This is their approach, their *promise* to their citizens,” Hooo
|boy, is anyone gonna tell him? lol
|u/WithBothNostrils - 21 hours
|
|Finishing fast isn't the brag you think it is
|u/ZormkidFrobozz - 21 hours
|
|With just enough read-between-the-lines subtlety that the unspoken
|"because Trump will sell us out to Russia" is loud and clear.
|u/celloyellow74 - 23 hours
|
|Psychological warfare here
|u/pajason - 23 hours
|
|This is exactly what he is doing, weird most can’t see that. Making
|him put his money where his mouth is.
|u/PortugalTheHam - 21 hours
|
|Every world leader knows this now. Many have watched his first term
|carefully. Youre about to see a bunch of world leaders charm him
|from both sides of the isle. And him too stupid too see what is
|happening.
|u/dodo91 - 14 hours
|
|This is well known - trump is vulnerable to public praises - such
|is the way his narcissism works. Every authoritarian leader plays
|him like a fiddle. In my country turkey, they openly talk about
|how erdoğan will praise him and win him over.
|u/commradd1 - 17 hours
|
|Which isle are you referring to
|u/PortugalTheHam - 17 hours
|
|world leaders, democracies vs dictatorships.
|u/PluotFinnegan_IV - 12 hours
|
|I think he was being a little cheeky because you said "isle"
|(another word for island) vs "aisle", which is what you meant.
|English is dumb.
|u/PortugalTheHam - 12 hours
|
|Gotchya. Thanks for the heads up.
|u/buffilosoljah42o - 16 hours
|
|Kinda sounds like the emperors new clothes to me.
|u/PortugalTheHam - 15 hours
|
|Yes, that is exactly what it is. Literally a world leader in
|2024 susceptible to the lessons of a children's story
|u/gitathegreat - 21 hours
|
|Gotta hand it to him. He cares about his people enough to do this.
|👍🏽
|u/nibbyzor - 16 hours
|
|Right? So many people are criticizing him for this, but he's doing
|what he needs for the survival of his people... Kissing Trump's
|ass. I highly doubt he likes it, but right now it's necessary. He
|has dealt with Trump before, he knows he's a narcissist that needs
|his ego stroked constantly.
|u/hahajadet - 21 hours
|
|Crazy to think Trump will care though lol
|u/deltabay17 - 21 hours
|
|If Zelensky keeps praising him like this trump might care very
|much this is what he lives for lol
|u/shrekerecker97 - 21 hours
|
|It's true. Harris was able to manipulate Trump like this during
|the debate and it was clear for all to see. Dude is smart
|u/z_e_n_a_i - 20 hours
|
|Really? Because "the war ending sooner" makes no promise about the
|war ending in Ukraine's favor. It looks like Russia is occupying
|27% of Ukraine, the war can be over right now if Trump forces them
|to accept that loss.
|u/Tooterfish42 - 19 hours
|
|Yes he's not got anything else he can do but prepare for Europe's
|constitutional saving throw
|u/misguidedsadist1 - 14 hours
|
|I'm surprised it took people so long, but thankfully it seems folks
|are wising up. Kamala prepared heavily in how to deal with him--bait
|him, attack his ego, get him off kilter by leading him around by the
|nose to keep him distracted from the issues. Putin has known this
|about Trump for years and that's why Trump is in his back pocket.
|Rather than trying to "win" with Trump by proving dominance, which is
|a strategy some foreign leaders did try in the past, it's interesting
|to see a new strategy emerge. Wouldn't it be fascinating to steal
|him away from Putins singular clutches? Interesting and delicate
|balance. Trump is also purely transactional, and if he owes Putin it
|would be hard for him to screw him over if Putin has him by the balls
|(something tells me that the second he pisses off Putin bad enough, he
|can engage his bot army and minions in the GOP to turn on Trump and
|influence public perception against him). This is why I also hate
|the "Sane washing" debates over all his cabinet picks. The endless
|discussion of reputation, speeches, intentions, backgrounds,
|investigations....Trump isn't picking based on capability, he's
|assigning positions of power and influence to people who kissed the
|ring. That's literally it. His intention, and the intentions of every
|single one of his cronies, is not to govern. It's to manipulate power
|for their own gain. Why do legit media outlets spend so much time
|trying to rationalize and pretend there is some logic behind anything
|he does?
|u/blighander - 1 day
|
|I honestly respect how Zelensky rolls with the fucking punches, he does
|what he needs to do, and says what he had to say to get what his country
|needs to have a chance of survival. Edit: Spelling
|u/Dnny11 - 22 hours
|
|True that, Zelensky turned out to be a true hero for his country. I
|hope he has figured out how to adapt to the new situationship at the
|white house.
|u/Mecos_Bill - 20 hours
|
|He holds all the cards right now. He has a chance to effectively end
|Trumps friendship with Putin, it would be glorious to see
|u/errorsniper - 18 hours
|
|You cant end a relationship held together by blackmail.
|u/Mecos_Bill - 18 hours
|
|I hope it ends with Putin realesing whatever the hell he has on
|Trump
|u/WindowsCrashedAgain - 18 hours
|
|Even if he did, it wouldn't matter, This is the last term
|Trump can serve, so it won't hurt his political career. He
|wouldn't lose any popularity either since his supporters
|didn't give a shit that he's a convicted felon and rapist who
|tried to overthrow the government. Anything Putin has wouldn't
|affect Trump much, if at all.
|u/mister_newbie - 17 hours
|
| >This is the last term Trump can serve We hope.
|u/kndyone - 17 hours
|
|I see people say this but the reality is thats not true, a
|fascists doesnt obey terms and trump has already proven that
|he not only will break laws but has also cultivated a cult
|of people who will believe anything he says and will be
|willing to break laws for him. You are correct that no
|normal blackmail will work on trump because his followers
|believe anything positive no matter how ridiculous. But its
|also possible that Putin was the one who put him in power
|through the use of social media and can leverage that social
|media to knock him out. Its also possible that Putin isnt
|doing that at all and his power is something far more
|exploitive like a threat to kill members of his family or
|literally him.
|u/WindowsCrashedAgain - 16 hours
|
|You're right, I didn't consider him killing Trump as
|assassinating a sitting president is an act of war. But I
|could see Trump "falling out of a window" once he leaves
|office if he disobeys Putin.
|u/kndyone - 16 hours
|
|Or what about just knocking off one of his kids in an
|accident. Or simply pulling the funding he uses for
|everything he does so they lose their wealth. There are
|lots of options, its also highly possible that he has
|money in Russian banks that could be seized he uses to
|illegally hide.
|u/cpt_rizzle - 17 hours
|
|Wishful thinking. Trumps already trying to figure out how to
|extend his stay and they control every branch and the
|Supreme Court so nothing is going to stop them
|u/sabin357 - 18 hours
|
|Sure you can, by eliminating the blackmailer or the blackmailee.
|All relationships end.
|u/Ill-Description3096 - 16 hours
|
|What could Putin possibly have that would make any sort of
|difference? It's not like Trump has some squeaky clean
|reputation to maintain.
|u/petit_cochon - 16 hours
|
|How exactly do you figure that he can do that? Thing about
|Trump's "friendship" with Putin us that Trump is too stupid
|understand that Putin is manipulating him. He just takes the money
|and fucks off and that's how Putin wants it.
|u/Mecos_Bill - 13 hours
|
|This is all hypothetical of course, but if he can convince Trump
|that pulling all resources from Ukraine would make the US appear
|incredibly weak, because it would entice China to invade
|Taiwain, and Taiwan being invading is something the US cannot
|afford since it would essentially send the world economy into
|turmoil and furthermore show the US' dependency on China
|u/drunk_with_internet - 18 hours
|
|No matter the outcome, this man will go down in history as one of
|the greatest heroes of our time.
|u/ropahektic - 1 day
|
|He is truly a historic person from our time
|u/Humbler-Mumbler - 1 day
|
|Ukraine is lucky to have him. They have a history of corrupt leaders
|and they just happened to elect a really good leader at the time
|they needed one most.
|u/limasxgoesto0 - 23 hours
|
|It's funny, before the war he wasn't seen as that great and was
|set to lose the next election. But when the war came he absolutely
|stepped up
|u/TStronks - 23 hours
|
|Churchill was also quite unpopular in the British parliament
|before the war started. He didn't have the best track record in
|the navy and wasn't especially highly regarded. Interesting how
|bitter times changed that.
|u/D597 - 23 hours
|
|Churchill was poetic, love when I’m watching documentaries or
|movies and they use sound bites of him.
|u/TStronks - 23 hours
|
|Oh definitely. He was quite a character; poetic, clever and
|stubborn as can be. But he also suffered from depression and
|alcoholism, and smoked more cigars in a day than most people
|do in their lifetime. And still lived to be 90. Fucking
|madman
|u/WhoIsTheUnPerson - 23 hours
|
|The grim reaper was probably afraid of him, waited until
|he was literally too frail to fight back.
|u/I_W_M_Y - 22 hours
|
|He also did horrific shit like taking food from India to
|feed the army which resulted in a famine that killed
|millions.
|u/TStronks - 22 hours
|
|Oh yeah he was a racist scumbag as well. And his stance,
|while debated, on women's rights is also questionable to
|say the least. Unfortunately at the time, his stance on
|such matters wasn't particularly outrageous.
|u/supersockcat - 19 hours
|
|His approval rating had fallen before the full-scale war, but he
|was still ahead of other politicians. See this [last](https://ki
|is.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1100&page=1&y=2022&m=2) poll
|from KIIS in February 2022 before the war, or [this one](https:/
|/ratinggroup.ua/files/ratinggroup/reg_files/rg_ukraine_022022_20
|00_press.pdf) from Rating Group (page 12) - 19.1% and 21.8%
|respectively said they would vote for him in the next election,
|but this put him in first place because all other candidates
|were even less popular.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
|
|"I need ammo, not a ride"
|u/captain_dick_licker - 23 hours
|
|it's funny, I have ukranian family by marriage and when we have
|dinner, the sister doesn't like zelenski but the brother does, and
|apparently the sister's complaints (something about corruption)
|are commonly held ones among the wealthy where they come from.
|from my position the guy is one of the few leaders I have nothing
|but respect for and I wonder if there is anything to her
|complaints about him or if it is just sour grapes and propaganda.
|u/germanmojo - 22 hours
|
|It's funny that 'the wealthy' Ukrainians are calling him
|corrupt. How did they get wealthy anyway?
|u/Mephzice - 22 hours
|
|mean Ukraine has always been corrupt, Zelenski is probably not
|completely clean on that, but regardless he is very clean
|compared to former leaders. If Ukraine were to try to join EU
|it would have to crack down on corruption in the country after
|the war, it's definitely there by all metrics. If the sister
|thinks he is more corrupt or something that is definitely
|propaganda, nothing points to that.
|u/thankyoumrdawson - 22 hours
|
|Absolutely is one of the people today
|u/sbo-nz - 11 hours
|
|But man, his yesterday was definitely in the past.
|u/Karnaugh_Map - 21 hours
|
|Historic is more commonly used to refer to greatness. Historical
|usually just means past.
|u/ropahektic - 20 hours
|
|thanks for the heads up, edited the post to reflect what i meant
|u/Ryike93 - 1 day
|
|“Great general unlocked”
|u/shmorky - 1 day
|
|He'll probably have to cede Donbas, Crimea and Luhansk to Russia. If
|he can hold onto Zaphorizhia and NATO membership maybe that isn't such
|a bad deal. Without US military support (and Elon flipping to Russia)
|there is no way Ukraine is winning this war on the battlefield.
|u/whatproblems - 20 hours
|
|they’ll never allow nato membership so it’s a nonstarter
|u/GladiusNuba - 23 hours
|
|Luhansk is part of Donbas.
|u/Mephzice - 22 hours
|
|> cede Donbas, Crimea and Luhansk to Russia literally never going
|to happen, he has said that already.
|u/ninjapro98 - 21 hours
|
|He has to say that if he wants his soldiers to have a reason to
|fight. But Ukraine will lose this war eventually, and he’s going
|to have to get the best terms he can get before the war really
|deteriorates
|u/SimpleSurrup - 21 hours
|
|If NATO gives them membership it'll be without the US in it anymore.
|I can't see Trump not leaving NATO this term. It's a massive
|Russian policy objective and something he continually trial
|balloons, and is always sort of making the case to do it any time
|the subject comes up.
|u/IllIllIlllll - 20 hours
|
|What incentive would trump have to leave nato?
|u/no33limit - 1 day
|
|Exactly, but the war will be over.
|u/PJ7 - 1 day
|
|Well, for now. Big treaty of Munich vibes. Anyone who believes
|Putin's expansionist plans will end at that point, is hopefully
|naive.
|u/sixtyfivewat - 23 hours
|
|It’s funny how we’re repeating history like this. All of this
|same shit was said by Chamberlain dealing with Hitler.
|Appeasement doesn’t work.
|u/Icekiller2 - 22 hours
|
|I'd say the difference would be the NATO inclusion. If there
|is genuinely a chance for peace with Ukraine losing the
|territory they haven't really controlled since 2014 AND they
|get fast tracked NATO membership? That would be an absolute
|win for them. But that's not what's going to happen. What'll
|happen is that they will be required to give up those lands,
|at least, and then promise to be a neutral nation. Which will
|indeed lead to another war further down the line, except this
|time Ukraine will be forced to rebuild its military using
|nothing but domestic production.
|u/nastojaszczyy - 22 hours
|
|Of course it won't be over, it will be frozen. Russia will
|regain power and will be back in a couple of years. Putin is
|old, maybe he wants to be remembered as someone who managed to
|restore the empire.
|u/hryipcdxeoyqufcc - 15 hours
|
|Not really. It’d just be giving Russia time to re-arm, just like
|what happened after last time. Ukraine already gave their nukes
|to Russia in exchange for peace. There’s no such thing as a peace
|deal with Russia. The only solution is to make it so expensive for
|Russia that it no longer makes economic sense for them to keep the
|war going.
|u/Preussensgeneralstab - 21 hours
|
|Ukraine could regain Luhansk and Donetsk since Ukraine still has
|good chunks of Kursk as a bargaining chip. Freezing frontlines
|currently would be detrimental to Russia since the RuAF is still
|struggling to push out Ukraine, even getting their own troops
|encircled in another idiotic push. Ukraine still has more
|bargaining power than Russia would like yet the RuAF simply cannot
|change that.
|u/-WaxedSasquatch- - 21 hours
|
|A true leader. Just really fucking sucks these punches he has to roll
|with. Imagine Ukraine still had nukes. This is a precedent that will
|be etched in human history and there will never again be another
|country that voluntarily gives up its nuclear arsenal……that’s not
|great.
|u/The_Elusive_Dr_Wu - 14 hours
|
|Refusal to willingly disarm oneself is a long standing precedent in
|human history. Anyone who forfeits or neglects their ability to
|defend themselves is a fool. A nation which cannot defend it's own
|borders or territory is a failed state.
|u/Glimmu - 23 hours
|
|Zelensky is not stupid, and hes willing to kiss ass to get US support. A
|small price
|u/tobekibydesign - 20 hours
|
|He's not kissing anyone's ass. He's pressuring Trump to keep true to
|his word back when he said that under him, the war would end very
|quick. If anything he's doing the opposite of kissing ass.
|u/drivel111 - 16 hours
|
|I read the statement as meaning the war will end sooner bc Trump
|will stop giving aid and the war will end by Putin taking Ukraine
|back
|u/erdna1986 - 16 hours
|
|That’s what trump meant by it. But Zelensky used these words
|against trump to imply something different, so it has the
|potential to sway trumps actions to stay true to his “word” -
|hence the psychological warfare.
|u/SwordfishOk504 - 16 hours
|
|The war ending quickly means giving enormous concessions to Russia.
|The war continuing means Ukraine has a chance to retake land lost.
|u/MarioSmash08 - 14 hours
|
|Except trumps way (is probably) pulling support so Putin can just
|steamroll threw it
|u/SporksRFun - 16 hours
|
|Exactly he is laying the fact that the war won't end quickly right
|at Trump's feet.
|u/TheDeadEndKing - 17 hours
|
|So…someone who is willing to put the lives of his people above his own
|ego? Must be nice to have a President who would do that…
|u/Any-Ad-446 - 23 hours
|
|Zelensky is putting Trump on the spot since Trump said he can end the
|war within days as being the president. If Trump says Ukraine has to
|give up land that Russia currently holds no way Ukraine would accept
|those terms.
|u/superbhole - 18 hours
|
|take it with a grain of salt but i've been reading that Putin is not
|vibing with peace talks ending things as they are now because Ukraine
|has taken control of some previously Russian terroritories
|u/imunfair - 17 hours
|
|> take it with a grain of salt but i've been reading that Putin is
|not vibing with peace talks ending things as they are now because
|Ukraine has taken control of some previously Russian terroritories
|He's been saying for a while now that any deal needs to *"reflect
|the realities on the ground",* basically that Russia has been
|winning ground faster and faster since he started saying that.
|It's up to something like 50 sq km per day now and quickly rising
|due to Ukraine's crumbling defenses, so Putin is basically saying
|*"unless you're going to give me something I don't already have, why
|would I stop when I have the upper hand?"* He's making it clear
|that mere frozen lines are going to be an unacceptable outcome for
|Russia. I suspect Trump will have difficulty finding a deal
|that's acceptable to Russia and Ukraine at the negotiating table.
|He'll either need to figure out a way to bully Russia and scare them
|into stopping, or pull all US aid to Ukraine and let them crumble,
|since even with US aid they're barely holding it together right now.
|That would probably be the least dangerous and quickest way to stop
|it, but I get the feeling that's not the route he's taking. He
|seems to have some misconceptions that he can actually broker an
|actual deal.
|u/bearbarebere - 14 hours
|
|I know this is honestly wishful thinking but it would be nice if
|he did somehow broker some kind of deal that actually worked. Let
|at least one good thing come out of this fucking cactus dildo of
|an admin that is about to occur.
|u/MaxCantaloupe - 16 hours
|
|Pulling all US aid to Ukraine could merely defer this whole thing,
|though AND lead to US boots on the ground in the future. If the
|US just pulls all aid, that doesn't necessarily mean the war
|stops. It could get significantly worse and end up on the doorstep
|of NATO allies. I wish all of NATO would've just given Ukraine
|the help they needed when they needed it. All NATO leadership is
|6-12 months behind on getting Ukraine what they need. If we'd just
|done in the beginning what we've done recently then there could've
|been the chance for a decisive Unrainian victory. Who the hell
|knows what's gonna happen now
|u/lxgrf - 17 hours
|
|Which is exactly why they took those territories. As bargaining
|chips at the inevitable peace talks.
|u/qwembly - 18 hours
|
|Yep. Then he can say "you promised to end the war quickly. We need
|ammo and tanks to do so."
|u/Friscogonewild - 1 day
|
| Zelenskyy knows the only way to even have a shot is to blow smoke up
|Trump's ass. Trump already blamed Zelenskyy for starting the war
|(before he was even in office), shamed him for not placating Russia by
|ceding some of Ukraine's territory, and has joked about Ukraine scamming
|the U.S. out of billions of dollars. He's been preaching global
|isolationism. He's friends with Putin, has been bailed out with loans
|by Russia as recently as 2022... and remember when he was impeached for
|threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine unless they fabricated dirt on
|Joe Biden? It's possible he does a complete 180 on the whole situation
|and gives Ukraine all the money and weapons they need to defeat Russia,
|but he has said he has solutions for issues in the past, and we either
|have yet to see them (his 2016 health care plan) or they blew up in our
|faces (his rushed Afghanistan withdrawal plan that his military advisors
|warned him about and he ignored). I'll believe it when I see it.
|u/GoofyKalashnikov - 1 day
|
|Afghanistan was wild, keeping Afghanistan government out of the talks
|while negotiating with the Taliban and then forcing them to release
|5000 Taliban prisoners ... Truly a mastermind at work
|u/Friscogonewild - 1 day
|
|I truly believe timed the last troop pull just to fuck Biden over.
|Dropped our military presence to a skeleton crew (against military
|advice and common sense) the week before Biden took office, leaving
|him to either finish the last 10% of the shitty plan, or send the
|necessary troops *back* to Afghanistan and be publicly crucified.
|How anyone still trusts Trump to do something important well baffles
|me. I wouldn't lend the man my lawnmower and expect to ever get it
|back.
|u/WeaponisedArmadillo - 1 day
|
|Either way it fucking worked, both left and right blamed Biden for
|the fire in the end.
|u/murgador - 23 hours
|
|Repblicans are fucking traitors to the state that actively
|undermine the people and lives and the above posts just fucking
|prove that.
|u/PrudentFinger1749 - 23 hours
|
|In the world of media being biased and average population being
|stupid. We have leaders like Trump.
|u/dCLCp - 1 day
|
|Viewed from the lense of being an asset to China and Russia as a
|means of tearimg down western alliances and prestige everything
|Trump does makes perfect sense. Viewed from any other lenses it
|does not.
|u/Rlchv70 - 23 hours
|
|He literally said “Yeah, we lost, we need to let that issue go to
|the next guy.” In regards to the Afghanistan pull out.
|u/frostysbox - 1 day
|
|I think you’re giving Trump too much credit - Trump believed he
|would be in office when it happened. Pulling out of Afghanistan
|was always going to end the way it did - Trump just believed it
|had to be done and he would have talked his way out of it.
|u/Tokemon_and_hasha - 22 hours
|
|Yep sounds like a Harkonnen
|u/290077 - 17 hours
|
|Political rug pulls are Trump's thing. Remember his tax cuts? They
|also lowered withholding amounts, and they conveniently didn't
|publicize that fact. Coming into the 2018 midterms, people thought
|the tax cuts were saving them way more than they actually were.
|Then in April, after the midterms were settled, tons of people got
|surprise tax bills. I know one friend who was a rabid Trump
|supporter who had to take out a personal loan to pay his income
|taxes in 2018.
|u/EmergencyCucumber905 - 1 day
|
|It was worse than that. Under the agreement US forces were not
|allowed to attack Taliban forces. Taliban was able to overwhelm the
|Afghan army and US was not allowed to provide any assistance.
|u/InternationalPut4093 - 1 day
|
|And successfully put the blame on Biden. All my MAGAt friends belive
|it was Biden who did that.
|u/Kradget - 1 day
|
|Yeah, telling the other side that you're just looking to get out of
|there immediately from the jump is high level shit.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
|
|That's Trump negotiations for ya.
|u/Parking_Abalone_1232 - 1 day
|
|And maybe the horse will sing.
|u/rd1970 - 1 day
|
|Even if Trump specifically told Zelenskyy he was going to pull all
|support and pressure the rest of NATO to do the same, I think
|Zelenskyy would still come out afterward and say "Good news! Trump's
|got our back!". Saying anything else would be terrible for morale for
|Ukrainian soldiers on the front line and strengthen that of Russia's.
|Lying about having Trump's full support would also make Putin question
|how much control he really has over Trump and how the war is going to
|play out. Whatever is going on behind the scenes, Zelenskyy has to
|make it sound like America isn't going anywhere.
|u/Klarthy - 1 day
|
|To bribe him, really. A Trump Tower in Kyiv might be tempting as Putin
|hasn't permitted Trump one in Moscow.
|u/macrocephalic - 1 day
|
|He can have one in Donbas.
|u/Gasten95 - 1 day
|
|Don't forget about his wonderful meeting with Kim Jong-un that went so
|badly that North Korea entirely gave up on a normalized relation with
|USA and has since removed all mentions of peacefull reunification with
|South Korea from their constitution, razed the monument for the same
|thing and has destroyed all their connected roads and railroads. You
|could probably say that Trump's actions didn't change much but he for
|sure didn't make things better. Kim's letter to Trump was very
|telling of what kind of negotiator Trump is, not that there was much
|doubt even before that.
|u/JamIsBetterThanJelly - 1 day
|
|He's *owned* by Putin, not friends with. Get it straight. I doubt the
|PeePee tape is the only dirt Putin has on Trump.
|u/earther199 - 23 hours
|
|It really doesn’t matter what dirt anyone has on Trump. He doesn’t
|care and crucially they don’t care. We know exactly who Trump is, he
|conducted a coup on live TV, and he still won.
|u/LivedLostLivalil - 1 day
|
|I'm not sure there is any dirt that Putin can have that could hurt
|Trump at this point. It has to be believed but anything can be
|written off as fabricated these days, even video.
|u/PalmTreeIsBestTree - 22 hours
|
|I don’t even think he has anything on Trump. Trump is just so dumb
|and easily gullible that any flashy, “masculine” dictator
|impresses him.
|u/l_i_t_t_l_e_m_o_n_ey - 22 hours
|
|> It's possible he does a complete 180 on the whole situation and
|gives Ukraine all the money and weapons they need to defeat Russia
|The crazy thing is, he might as well. (I mean, assuming Russia doesn't
|have the kompromat they definitely have). What I'm trying to say is,
|he could do it, and his supporters would just adjust their outlook on
|the situation and cheer him on. They get to feel like the underdogs in
|a fight, which they love.
|u/Judoka91 - 21 hours
|
|>Trump already blamed Zelenskyy for starting the war (before he was
|even in office), shamed him for not placating Russia by ceding some of
|Ukraine's territory, and has joked about Ukraine scamming the U.S. out
|of billions of dollars. He's been preaching global isolationism. He's
|friends with Putin, has been bailed out with loans by Russia as
|recently as 2022... I dislike Trump for many reasons, but his blatant
|lies and disrespect over Ukraine is absolutely in the top 5.
|u/MotherSpell6112 - 1 day
|
|It's a different situation from 2020. If Trump were in for the Russian
|invasion he could have caused absolute carnage for Ukraine and burned
|NATO with flaky support when Putin sat right across the border in
|Belarus and Ukraine. As it stands now, Ukraine has managed to put up
|stiff resistance thanks to the US and Europe being aligned on the
|goals of the defence of Ukraine and strengthened NATO by bringing the
|Finns and Swedes being on-board. It could now be worth more to play
|the peacemaker, incorporate what's still held in Ukraine and bring US
|and European loans in to rebuild what is held. He gets to look strong,
|give Putin the victory he needs to sell, and further US business
|interests while freeing the military to focus west into Taiwan and the
|Pacific to ward off China. A long-term strategy it probably isn't.
|But it looks strong right now, plays to his base and works in
|something for Putin. Republicans want quick notable wins straight
|after taking office for the same reason they lay land mines like
|Afghanistan after they leave office, first impressions matter.
|u/Necessary_Owl8542 - 22 hours
|
|you could give Ukraine all the fucking artillery on Earth & they still
|couldn’t win this war. shells are useless with no men left to fire
|them
|u/_Weyland_ - 1 day
|
|I think that Zelensky is in a position where saying things Ukrainians
|need or want to hear often comes before being truthful.
|u/oldsecondhand - 1 day
|
|The other aspect is that there's no point in him antagonizing Trump;
|his citizens might blame him, not Trump for the souring relationship.
|u/IC-4-Lights - 1 day
|
|Yeah, absolutely. Do what you gotta do to try to have it work out in
|your favor. That's literally his job, and lives depend on it.
|u/Humbler-Mumbler - 1 day
|
|Yeah he’s making the smart play. It’s gotta be tough. He probably
|loathes Trump personally.
|u/P2029 - 23 hours
|
|He does what he knows is best for a free and independent Ukraine, full
|stop. He's playing the hand he's been dealt.
|u/_Weyland_ - 15 hours
|
|I guess he does. I gotta respect the man for doing what he does, but
|I am not sure if there is a win for him in the end. Even if Russia
|doesn't win, Ukraine is fucked for the rest of its history.
|u/nagrom7 - 23 hours
|
|He's also in a position where brown-nosing Trump might actually make a
|big difference to the future of his country. He doesn't really have
|much of a choice here.
|u/DarkenedSkies - 1 day
|
|Ending sooner because \- US aid to Ukraine is going to dry up \-
|They'll likely pressure their allies to do the same \- The Trump
|administration will pressure Ukraine to accept a one-sided peace deal
|where Russia keeps its gains so far and preventing Ukrainian acceptance
|into NATO. And then in 4 years, Russia will try again.
|u/BubsyFanboy - 23 hours
|
|And this time start at an advantageous position.
|u/I_W_M_Y - 22 hours
|
|Russia is running out of available manpower, look he is resorting to
|bring in North Koreans!
|u/TheOneWhoSendsLetter - 21 hours
|
|They're not running of available manpower. They want to diminish
|the political cost of the war.
|u/deseven - 21 hours
|
|That's just wishful thinking. North Koreans are useful as an
|additional force, but that's pretty much it, there is no shortage
|of volunteers anymore. Previous reports about the influx of new
|meat from NYT and others recently got confirmed by other sources
|such as https://zona.media/news/2024/11/15/krediti (use google
|translate).
|u/thenewyorkgod - 22 hours
|
|we all know this is the result of a trump presidency. War will end
|with ukraine ceding all gains to russia and promise of no Nato. Then
|Russia will have four years to replenish its weapons and soldiers. The
|big question is will trump just half ass his treason, or go full bore
|and remove all sanctions against Russia since "peace has been
|achieved"?
|u/entropy_bucket - 22 hours
|
|I thought they were saying obama was weak for giving up Crimea.
|u/pnellesen - 23 hours
|
|He’s probably not wrong, but not in a good way either, sigh.
|u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo - 21 hours
|
|I wouldn't put it past Putin, knowing how disastrous this war has
|been, to let Ukraine "win" in some way, guiding Trump to make it look
|like the US ended the war. It makes Trump and the Republicans more
|popular in the US, creating more instability, it allows Putin an
|excuse to pull out, and it does what Putin always loves to do: say one
|thing and do another, undermining reality so that no one knows what to
|believe anymore. Putin and Trump are known to be best buddies but
|suddenly Trump secures Russian's defeat? Surely they can't be working
|together after all.
|u/pnellesen - 21 hours
|
|Whatever happens, if Putin does not get everything he wants, he will
|not stop until he does (or until he's gone). That's just how guys
|like him roll.
|u/oberynmviper - 22 hours
|
|He knows that kissing up to Trump is the only thing he listens to. No
|shame on that if he can protect his people. I am just hoping that
|“ending the war” is positive for Ukraine and not for Russia.
|u/justalittlepigeon - 12 hours
|
|Poor fucking Zelensky. I watched the entire trial over the quid pro quo
|stuff and barely anyone remembers. That whole thing was one of the most
|frustrating and disgustingly disingenuous things I've ever seen play
|out. He got so screwed over. After being thrown into the role of a
|wartime leader he gets hardly any support. And now, after years of
|struggling and just... endless devastation, families broken apart,
|leaving everything behind... I can't imagine how he must feel. How the
|people of Ukraine must feel. Just horrible...
|u/Teabagger-of-morons - 1 day
|
|Putin will try again in 10 years. All the 8-9 year olds that are in
|school now, getting indoctrinated and doing weapons training, will be
|ready to join the army. His army will be replenished.
|u/B00STERGOLD - 1 day
|
|Putin will be 82 in 10 years. I bet he is deposed before then.
|u/nodnodwinkwink - 23 hours
|
|When they most recently invaded Ukraine there was a lot of rumours
|about his health but these days it looks like it was wishful
|thinking...
|u/B00STERGOLD - 22 hours
|
|Right, but age can't be beat in an area where leaders go out of
|their way to look strong.
|u/darklion15 - 23 hours
|
|And you think the next lider Will do what ?
|u/kndyone - 16 hours
|
|reddit cope, Putin is rich he can live a long time, and second putin
|has not been deposed yet. When are redditors going to stop drinking
|the koolaid, they said Ukraine would crush Russia, but here Russia
|is doing better than ever, they said Russia would collapse, but it
|didnt and its still going. They said Russia would run out of men but
|again they have plenty of armed men with gear out there fighting.
|They said all sorts of propagandized bullshit and now its all
|backfiring. Ukraine needed help so bad and westerners needed to
|know what was really happening. Not to live in delululand.
|u/Nomnomnipotent - 22 hours
|
|Russia can't afford another war like this for decades. They just lost
|600,000 - 700,000 young men that could've been working to drive their
|economy - that's not including the ones that emigrated to avoid
|conscription. There's now a massive gap in that age range, so they
|can't afford another war in 10 years. Russia fucked themselves hard
|with this war, and will be feeling it in the coming decades. If they
|don't conquer Ukraine now to fill that void, they'll have to wait a
|long time before they can afford to wage war at this level again.
|u/OdaNobunaga69 - 21 hours
|
|You're thinking from a western perspective where prosperity is the
|priority. History has shown that Russians will endure all sorts of
|pain and misery as long as they can hurt someone more. Plus
|authoritarian dictators like Putin or Un don't need approval from
|their subjects and they will be sacrificed if necessary, no matter
|if hospitals or whatever becomes dysfunctional
|u/ifhysm - 22 hours
|
|In 2019, Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine in an effort to pressure
|Zelensky to go on CNN and just announce that Joe Biden was being
|investigated in order to help Trump win the 2020 election. This was his
|first impeachment. I guarantee he wants revenge
|u/kndyone - 16 hours
|
|yep Trump is that kinda guy who wants everyone to be do whatever he
|instructs or he punishes you and anyone caught in the crossfire he
|doesn't care about.
|u/ManlyEmbrace - 21 hours
|
|Flattering Trump is the smart play. With Russia showing Melania’s nudes
|on tv and Putin starting to sound disrespectful toward Trump, Zelensky
|fawning over him might actually pay off.
|u/Monster_punkin - 1 day
|
|Yes, because he’s going to give Ukraine to Russia
|u/RamitInmashol1994 - 1 day
|
|If somebody told me 10 years ago, that a US president would be a Russian
|puppet, I would have laughed them in the face. Snap back to reality…
|u/Fast_Raven - 1 day
|
|Even Tom Clancy wouldn't have written something this farfetched
|u/c4p1t4l - 1 day
|
|Unfortunately dugin did
|u/DharmaBird - 1 day
|
|A Clancy's plot would never be as hopelessly disgusting as our
|unfortunate reality.
|u/perturbed_rutabaga - 19 hours
|
|in tom clancy novels there is someone with the means and desire to
|stop the bad guy i wish this were a clancy novel that means we
|would probably have a happyish ending
|u/skinte1 - 1 day
|
|As would most republicans during the cold war if someone said their
|whole party would support Russia...
|u/RedWing83 - 1 day
|
|... A russian puppet while North Korean soldiers are fighting in a war
|in Europe.
|u/Carlos----Danger - 21 hours
|
|10 years ago Putin walked into Crimea
|u/Street_Buy4238 - 1 day
|
|Oop there goes gravity...
|u/GingerStank - 1 day
|
|10 years ago Obama said the Russians weren’t our enemy, everyone
|applauded and Romneys head exploded on national TV. I still think
|trump is more useful idiot than puppet.
|u/nagrom7 - 23 hours
|
|Obama didn't say that, he just denied that they were the US's
|*biggest* enemy, which was probably true then and is still arguably
|true now in that the only state that can realistically threaten the
|US (without also destroying itself in the process via nuclear
|Armageddon) is China.
|u/Lordborgman - 18 hours
|
|Indeed, America's biggest enemy, is America.
|u/ulyssessgrant93 - 22 hours
|
|Russia’s disinformation campaign has damaged us much more than
|anything China’s done. Russia is absolutely our biggest enemy.
|Wars aren’t only fought on the ground
|u/corbyns_lawyer - 1 day
|
|He said they weren't the biggest threat.
|u/TotalConnection2670 - 23 hours
|
|only idiots think that trump is russian puppet
|u/SwissBliss - 1 day
|
|Imagine Russia invading under Biden and then calling Trump a puppet
|u/Shas_Erra - 1 day
|
|*Insert “two nickels” meme here*
|u/capzi - 12 hours
|
|This headline is misleading, as usual. Funny how MAGA cultists are
|trying to spin this as positive for Trump. This isn't a win. It's
|actually a loss for Ukraine and Europe at large.
|u/toosinbeymen - 8 hours
|
|I agree with Zelensky. It will end quicker because Biden was never
|interested in Ukraine winning the war. Biden was only interested in
|Ukraine surviving. I don't doubt that Biden and his advisors were
|scared that Putin would/might launch a nuclear missile at a far northern
|corner of Finland sparking Article 5. It's a fair point. But in
|addition, IMO, Biden was never invested in Ukraine. Trump is only
|interested in Trump but perhaps Zelensky can make victory overwhelmingly
|interesting to Trump.
|u/Parking_Abalone_1232 - 1 day
|
|I think all the rational people expect the war to end sooner with Trump.
|They excited it to end sooner because they expect Trump to cut Ukraine
|off from US weapons and money. Europe doesn't have the capacity to
|replace the US. Ukraine either surrenders or collapses. Either way,
|Putin wins and the US looks weak.
|u/Margotkitty - 1 day
|
|The US looks corrupt. Which they’ve always been, it’s just in FULL
|display now. Y’all can quit pretending. Sounds harsh, but the majority
|voted for Trump (not voting is a de facto vote when even more chose
|not to vote at all) The ideals of “America” are not held by 2/3 of
|its citizens. So what ARE the ideals then? Time to start looking in
|the mirror and asking the hard questions. I’m Canadian. We are
|facing our own hardline shift to right wing populist politics. If we
|don’t quit the bullshit of allowing culture wars to divide us the
|oligarch and corporations will own everything and we will take steps
|so far back we may never see social progress like this again.
|u/Moozipan - 1 day
|
|Turns out the American dream is 1933 Germany.
|u/Thehappycachorro - 1 day
|
|Why would US look weak? Wouldn't that be a bigger prove of how reliant
|the world is on American involvement? If all of Europe can't replace
|US in Ukraine's support then everyone who voted Trump will be proven
|right, Europe will be the one left looking weak and we'll have a grim
|decade ahead of us.
|u/twidget1995 - 21 hours
|
|The US will look weak because we abandoned a client state just
|because Administrations shifted. All the bad guys need to do to win
|is wait out the President opposing them and work hard to install
|someone else that will back down. Trump, in cutting aid to Ukraine,
|backing down. He looks like the coward he is because he won't see
|the fight to the finish. He also looks like a puppet of Putin.
|Europe unprepared. Well, that's not a new thing. They've been
|unprepared since the end of WW II. They were unprepared to stop
|Milosovec in Kosovo in 1999 - when the US intervened. This isn't a
|new thing. Trump seems to have inspired Europe to start spending
|more on their militaries - but that's through a threat of US
|abandonment rather than statesmanship. Since the end of WW II,
|Europe has been, mostly, peaceful. And that's because they don't
|have large standing armies, the US has an emormous presence in
|Germany and throughout Europe and they haven't worried about a
|neighbor invading them - well, at least one not named USSR or
|Russia.
|u/8349932 - 1 day
|
|It'll end with trumps knife in Ukraine's back
|u/EenGeheimAccount - 1 day
|
|It's not backstabbing when they're not hiding it.
|u/fotomoose - 23 hours
|
|Frontstabbing.
|u/animalfath3r - 22 hours
|
|He's clearly just buttering Trump up. Zelensky is a smart dude who
|knows Trump can be manipulated with compliments. Trump on the other
|hand is too dumb to realize he's being manipulated
|u/ComprehensiveJuice77 - 17 hours
|
|Yes. Trump will cut support to Ukraine and strongly pressure them to
|take a deal decidedly in Russia's favor. Putin will reload and be ready
|to invade shortly after the 2028 election. Trump does not care about
|Ukraine any more than he cared about the fate of the Afghan people last
|time. But he IS completely in Putin's pocket. I expect he will give
|Putin intelligence on Ukraine as well. So yes, the Russian aggression
|will win out soon. But Ukraine can't openly say that or Trump will
|start sending aid to Russia.
|u/Worth-Tank336 - 18 hours
|
|My suspicion is Ukraine will eventually accept losing all the land
|Russia took and in return will allow U.S companies to flock massive
|amounts of investments in Ukraine as well as money from Russia. It will
|be a free for all. I'm not seeing any other way with Trump over it all.
|u/kihraxz_king - 17 hours
|
|This is only true one of two ways. 1: The GOP stops obstructing now
|that they can make it look like a win for their team. Meaning it could
|always have happened and only didn't due to GOP obstructionism. 2:
|Ukraine is forced to cede territory because we won't give them any real
|help anymore. There is no way that having Trump in power helps Ukraine
|except for the GOP deciding it's a win for them.
|u/jmi60 - 16 hours
|
|Please say successfully end. Those Russian dogs don't deserve a
|diplomatic solution.
|u/mn540 - 11 hours
|
|It will end sooner because Ukraine will run out of ammunition and
|surrender. Russia gets to keep all of its illegally occupied
|territories. Yep - it will end soon
|u/Le_Botmes - 8 hours
|
|"focus on the stone in my hand, and you'll miss the dagger at your
|throat." I have every confidence that Zelensky is placating Trump in
|public while organizing contingencies with the EU behind closed doors.
|He knows that Trump will try to hand Russia a pyrrhic victory, so he's
|hedging his bets.
|u/BigDigger324 - 8 hours
|
|Zelensky is showing, yet again, incredibly strong and intelligent
|leadership….it’s not surprising that the Trump supporters don’t
|recognize it.
|u/photocult - 5 hours
|
|Dude is savvy, I'm pulling for him.
|u/Puzzled-Dust-7818 - 1 day
|
|Imagine being a Ukrainian and hearing Americans insist the war needs to
|end soon because they’re tired of it…
|u/lizard_alien2 - 20 hours
|
|And you think the Ukrainian people want the war to keep going? Lol
|u/lifesuxwhocares - 20 hours
|
|I'm so pissed at Biden for ""ballless" response to pootin. Sooo many
|fucking people died because of these mother ducking PUSSIES, who went to
|pootin and asked what they should not do, to prevent nukes being
|dropped. Rookies. Ukraine wanted F16 in March 2022. Biden said now.
|F16 training got approved in March 2024, Ukraine received first f16 in
|August 2024. Wow. They also tied Ukraine's hands so Russia can attack
|Ukraine, but Ukraine cannot attack Russia. I hate them so much. Ps.
|Bucha is my hometown.
|u/Mort-i-Fied - 18 hours
|
|It will end sooner because donald will side with Russia and force
|Ukraine to give up.
|u/AnActua1Human - 1 day
|
|If Kamala won and this was said for her, this would have 30k upvotes
|already 😂
|u/Frost_blade - 21 hours
|
|Who Zelensky feels is the better politician doesnt matter, Trump is in
|office and Zelensky has shown how fantastic a leader he is these last
|few years. He will say whatever he needs to for his people. To protect
|them and reestablish his countries borders and end this war. I'm not
|saying he doesn't actually feel this way. I'm saying it doesn't matter
|to him. He'd be saying and doing essentially the same thing if Harris
|had won.
|u/Xerxes_Generous - 19 hours
|
|Forced peace with Russia is just a 20 years armistice
|u/MacTechG4 - 19 hours
|
|The proper way to negotiate the end to the war… Russia retreats from
|all stolen territories and returns Crimea, and pays reparations to
|Ukraine. Or… The US authorizes Ukraine to use ALL supplied American
|weapon systems to strike inside Russian territory, including ATACMS,
|and F-16’s, also loan them as many A-10’s and Abrams as they need.
|u/Felix_Von_Doom - 14 hours
|
|It's not the end of war were wary of, it's HOW.
|u/notbuswaiter - 12 hours
|
|Yes it will end sooner by Trump cutting Ukraine aid and helping Russia
|destroy Ukraine
|u/wonkalicious808 - 12 hours
|
|It sucks that Zelensky has to deal with Trump because so many American
|voters think prices will go down if they elect the guy promising to make
|prices go up.
|u/ToArtina92 - 11 hours
|
|I hope he realizes that until trump takes the Oath, his words are as
|useless as a diploma from trump University.
|u/WearDifficult9776 - 11 hours
|
|Yes… in defeat for Ukraine.
|u/Complex-Fall3317 - 10 hours
|
|He's not wrong. Of course the war will end soon. Russia now will
|steamrolled them lol
|u/bikebrooklynn - 7 hours
|
|He has to say this and suck up to him because once Biden is gone Trump
|is the only lifeline left to Ukraine.
|u/throwaway-rayray - 6 hours
|
|His only move is to suck up to trump and the First Lady (Elon). At the
|end of the day Zelensky has proven time and again he will put his people
|first - stroking the ego of the Cheeto is a small price to pay really.
|u/DarkLordKohan - 4 hours
|
|He is buttering him up. Dude is doing what he needs to do for his
|country. And if he needs to bootlick an idiot, he will.
|u/Xzenor - 1 day
|
|Oh it'll end sooner but not in a good way for Ukraine.
|u/demonfoo - 1 day
|
|Yeah, it will. It won't end _well_, but it'll likely end _sooner_.
|Until Uncle Pootie wants more Ukrainian territory, and then it'll be
|back on.
|u/appretee - 1 day
|
|Redditors and convincing themselves that they know better and got it all
|figured out 🥲 The sad reality is that Ukraine is slowly losing ground,
|and no peace deal will end with them regaining control of the
|territories that Russia took, even with Ukraine's capture of Kursk.
|They did very well to keep up for this long, but you're still fighting
|wannabe Stalin who will throw millions more lives at Ukraine in order to
|win.
|u/Ralphieman - 1 day
|
|The Economist podcast from yesterday had a similar take from their
|reporting in Kyiv where it's actually more optimism than what you see
|here or other platforms. Ukrainians have been growing tired of the
|current administration's rhetoric of 'however long it takes for a
|Ukraine victory' while the actions said otherwise from the drip drip
|support they've been getting. So they are willing to gamble on Trump
|being more strong and decisive even though they fully realize it could
|go either way.
|u/08148693 - 1 day
|
|I’m sceptical, but if he does, good Even if it means giving the Donbas
|to Russia, that land isn’t much good to anyone. It’ll be a deadly
|minefield for decades The sooner this ends the fewer lives are lost,
|and that’s a good thing
|u/DogStray - 1 day
|
|Donbas region has some of the most fertile land in the world. Big
|money have so much invested in this that they will not give it up for
|free. Lives do not matter to big money.
|u/Interesting_Whole_44 - 22 hours
|
|I think he means once the support from the US ends they’re toast.
|u/PrestigiousFlan1091 - 18 hours
|
|Of course. When you handcuff Ukraine and embolden Russia, doesn’t take a
|genius.
|u/N733LK00 - 18 hours
|
|Sure! Because he will let Russia roll over them.
|u/seriousbangs - 20 hours
|
|I mean yeah, Russia won. They're going to keep the land they stole and
|then go rebuild their army so they can come back in 3 years and take
|what's left.
|u/Lister0fSmeg - 1 day
|
|Trump will throw Ukraine under the bus at the first opportunity.
|Firstly, because he is a Russian asset under the Kremlin's command, and
|secondly because Zelensky didn't fabricate fake dirt on Hunter Biden
|when trump tried to extort him for financial aid the first time around.
|As we've seen many times before, saying no to trump makes you a target
|for his childish bullying tactics, and an enemy forever.
|u/mjbcesar - 1 day
|
|That's probably true, but not the way Ukraine would have wanted,
|unfortunately
|u/CyroSwitchBlade - 17 hours
|
|It is likely that Ukraine will be pressured by the Trump administration
|to concede territory in the Donbas to end the conflict. With the
|prospect of financial and material support from the U.S. being cut off
|they may not have much other choice then to accept this resolution. If
|western Europe decides to step up their support in a considerable way
|the war could continue.
|u/ElvisFan222 - 17 hours
|
|Putin and Zelensky both want to end the war, but they need an out and
|will both say "trump forced our hand" they're both waiting for that,
|imo we have family in Donestk Oblast, and want to visit someday so they
|can see finally meet their grand children.
|u/MsNatCat - 15 hours
|
|I feel fucking terrible for Zelensky.
|u/Particular_Row_8037 - 15 hours
|
|Let's hope he takes Putin out before that and that's how the war ends.
|Just to say fuck you to Trump.
|u/bulldogfan513 - 15 hours
|
|I look forward to reading this same article again when it is posted in
|r/leopardsatemyface.
|u/Lupinthrope - 15 hours
|
|That’s a good thing right Reddit?
|u/MrGeek89 - 14 hours
|
|How? It means Putin conditions and Ukraine not joining EU.
|u/Apprehensive_Bit4767 - 12 hours
|
|Zelensky is100 percent correct . Trump will not send a nickle to Ukraine
|or offer any support. So yes he is correct
|u/desmonea - 12 hours
|
|It's a smart statement from Zelensky imho. Trump kind of cornered
|himself when he said he will end the war diplomatically in less than 24
|hours. Doing something that goes against his word - like approving
|military aid to Ukraine, for example - would now cost him virtual
|reputation points. So even if Trump wants to help Ukraine militarily, he
|will hesitate, because it can hurt him politically. This statement from
|Zelensky aims to reduce that reputation cost for Trump. Trump can now
|point at it and say: "See? Everyone agrees it is me who helped to end
|the war, much much sooner than it would without me!" In other words,
|it's about giving political ammo to Trump, so he can more easily send
|some real one back. At least that's how I see it.
|u/ladygagafan1237 - 12 hours
|
|I mean he’s not wrong, but I don’t think he’ll like the outcome with
|that Cheeto in charge. Best case scenario Ukraine doesn’t lose any
|additional land, does not get any of their lands back, does not get to
|join NATO nor the EU. Worst case scenario is there is no sovereign
|Ukraine anymore.
|u/Darth-Shittyist - 12 hours
|
|Yeah, it will end sooner because Russia will annex Ukraine and move on
|to Poland.
|u/LivvyByrdsong - 12 hours
|
|It will end sooner because Trump‘s overwhelming support of Russia will
|allow it to run Ukraine completely in short order
|u/Conscious_Message282 - 11 hours
|
|Ukrainian was brought to their knees because of corruption. The recent
|administration US intelligence saw the Russian forces being built up
|along the border and did nothing. We didn’t send them the things they
|needed and promised in a timely manner. If Ukraine is truly being
|rebuilt as a democracy, then having them as an ally would be beneficial
|for peace keeping and safety in that region, just like Israel.
|u/Jahonay - 11 hours
|
|I'm okay with hypothesizing a 4D chess move here. If Zelenski continues
|to praise trump and conservatives past when it's convenient, and you end
|up being wrong about Zelenski, then don't try to weasel your way out of
|being wrong. I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other, but
|people did this with Kanye and Joe Rogan and Elon musk, and I'm sick of
|white dudes glazing people who end up being Trumpers.
|u/jerryleebee - 11 hours
|
|I mean, didn't Trump want to just let Putin have more of Ukraine? I
|guess technically that would end things sooner.
|u/UncleSlim - 11 hours
|
|This is the only thing he *can say* in this position regardless if he
|actually thinks it or not. He knows Trump has a huge ego and what else
|would he say? "Trump sucks?" "The war will be worse with Trump?" That'd
|a quick way to piss off a child with a hot temper and get all your
|support taken away real quick.
|u/ObviousHuckleberry66 - 10 hours
|
|He didn't say how it would end sooner he just said it would.....I think
|it was a subtle backhand lol
|u/Fair-Interest7143 - 10 hours
|
|And not to Ukraine‘s advantage
|u/falzeh - 10 hours
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|Better the Devil you know.
|u/Apepoofinger - 10 hours
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|This shit is going to get messy around the world.
|u/thisiskyle77 - 10 hours
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|President Trump making his mark
|u/LSDZNuts - 9 hours
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|Bro knows who about to be his daddy. He’s walking the line for his
|people. You’d do the same
|u/Toking-Ape - 6 hours
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|Got to play the cards that ur dealt.
|u/windchill94 - 2 hours
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|Oh it will end sooner, just very much to Ukraine's detriment.
|u/Snake_Plizken - 35 minutes
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|Find ways to stroke his narcissistic ego, and you shall profit..
|u/mahonkey - 1 day
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|What would be hilarious would be if trump was supposed to help Russia
|under threat of some sort of sexual blackmail, but then he just says
|"jokes on you I'm into that shit" and goes all in on Ukraine Not a
|prediction, just what would make me crack up
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