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|u/thundercrown25 - 1 day
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|I imagine this whole doping scandal was extra embarrassing for 9th
|place.
|u/vile_lullaby - 1 day
|
|Those races they all finish so close though, at least relative human
|average human racing them. They have to measure to the 0.01 second
|now to determine winners.
|u/DoomAxe - 23 hours
|
|In the last Olympics, Noah Lyles won the 100 m by just 0.005 s over
|Kishane Thompson. Noah Lyles was determined the winner based on
|times of 9.784 for Lyles and 9.789 for Thompson. Both athletes have
|a recorded time of 9.79 s since times of record are always rounded
|up. The time on record is measured to 0.01 s, but they will use
|cameras that take 40,000 frames per second to determine the winner
|of an individual race. This means the winner of an individual race
|can be determined down to 0.000025 s.
|u/EntropySpark - 21 hours
|
|A related fun fact: the times were so close that had the Olympics
|used a traditional single pistol to start the race (as they did
|until 2012), instead of an individual sound player behind each
|runner, [the speed of sound would have delayed Lyles by long
|enough to cost him the gold](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/f
|actcheck/2024/08/09/olympics-starter-pistol-noah-lyles-fact-
|check/74728297007/).
|u/jodaewon - 10 hours
|
|Well this is super interesting
|u/wizoztn - 8 hours
|
|This is the real til. Truly fascinating
|u/Not_ur_gilf - 23 hours
|
|Hilariously enough that’s actually pretty common in short(er) races
|like these even at the high school level. Source: I used to run them
|and while runners would visibly be far apart their times would be
|within 0.5 seconds
|u/gorilla_gage - 23 hours
|
|Was 9th 0.01 away from first?
|u/SpiceEarl - 22 hours
|
|The reality is just getting to an Olympic final means you put in a far
|better performance than more than 99.99% of your competitors. If they
|hadn't been caught, getting to the final would still be impressive
|even if they came in 9th.
|u/Sdog1981 - 21 hours
|
|They should have asked for a refund on the drugs.
|u/RLDSXD - 15 hours
|
|Conversely, 3rd must have felt like an absolute beast.
|u/-sry- - 1 day
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|Let me guess. It was a year when they found a way to improve testing?
|u/Only_Talks_About_BJJ - 1 day
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|>Ethiopian-born Swede Abeba Aregawi, who also had an anti-doping
|violation in 2016 but escaped a ban, only received her reallocated
|bronze medal in a special ceremony at the Paris Olympics last month.
|Weird, I wonder why she didn't get a ban like the rest of them
|u/D_Gabriel_DuxHeisman - 1 day
|
|"...Lifted her suspension due to insufficient evidence on how long the
|drug - which was prohibited only January 2016 - takes to be excreted
|from the body"
|u/BrainOnBlue - 1 day
|
|What?!? A totally reasonable explanation? But what will I be
|outraged about on the internet?
|u/ToughCapital5647 - 1 day
|
|Coming over here, taking our dope
|u/BlindPaintByNumbers - 20 hours
|
|Reasonable, but doesn't mean she didn't use that fact to hide
|current doping. Just means there was no way to differentiate.
|u/manInTheWoods - 19 hours
|
|The drug was just made illegal, and the blood levels were below the
|threshold. https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6473490 (in Swedish)
|u/Radiant_Sun5261 - 1 day
|
|Imagine training for years only to lose because someone else had better
|lab connections !!
|u/Kaymish_ - 1 day
|
|Sports has been a battle of who has the best lab for ages.
|u/13th-Hand - 1 day
|
|That's why we as fans deserve the best steroided out athletes money
|can buy.
|u/ButtonMushroomHelmet - 1 day
|
|I’d love to see an Olympics where any drug taking is allowed.
|Imagine seeing javelins flying out of the stadium and long jumpers
|flying past the end of the sand pit.
|u/pVom - 1 day
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|And Olympians having heart attacks in there 20s
|u/frogandbanjo - 21 hours
|
|Would we not be entertained?
|u/devil_21 - 1 day
|
|A reason the drugs are banned is also because they're harmful.
|u/cssc201 - 19 hours
|
|I elaborated in my comment up thread but allowing drugs would
|lead to everyone *having* to take drugs if they wanted to
|compete and actually have a shot at winning. So athletes would
|have to choose between their dream and having a functioning
|heart and reproductive system when they're 30
|u/cannotfoolowls - 16 hours
|
|> However, it was the introduction of a synthetic form of
|the red-blood cell stimulating hormone erythropoietin (EPO)
|which has particularly plagued endurance sports. Between
|1987 and 1990, 20 young Belgian and Dutch cyclists died from
|nocturnal heart attacks. https://www.thelancet.com/journal
|s/lanhae/article/PIIS2352-3026(16)30082-5/fulltext
|[Cyclists still seem to die a suspicious amount from cardiac
|issues. ](https://www.dw.com/en/michael-goolaerts-death-
|raises-question-as-to-why-so-many-cyclists-suffer-heart-
|attacks/a-43321799)
|u/LimestoneDust - 1 day
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|Professional sports are harmful anyway
|u/devil_21 - 1 day
|
|Running isn't even comparable to some of the PEDs in terms
|of harm.
|u/skysinsane - 21 hours
|
|Whole that's part of it, doping using your own blood from
|higher altitudes isn't really significantly harmful. It's
|considered unfair
|u/devil_21 - 18 hours
|
|If it's legalised then players will definitely try many
|harmful methods.
|u/CountVanderdonk - 18 hours
|
|That just wrong. In the early aughts there was a spate of
|cyclists turning up dead in their beds. They thickened up
|their blood with blood doping so much that when they went to
|sleep, the heart would slow down, and then sometimes just
|stop
|u/cannotfoolowls - 16 hours
|
|Pantani wrote that he was woken up at night to ride on
|rollers to keep his heart rate up so he wouldn't die.
|u/skysinsane - 18 hours
|
|Okay yes, but that's not an inherent issue with blood
|doping. Drinking too much water can be toxic too, but only
|in excessive quantities.
|u/CountVanderdonk - 17 hours
|
|Blood doping in a non-medical environment, using
|delivery networks that take time, there are always other
|risks. Blood that has gone sour can kill you, or
|cause acute lung damage, blood clots, bacterial
|infection, stroke or heart attack. I have a family
|member who was a pro cyclist in the Aughts and I heard
|more about all the inside scoop about cycling in Europe
|and Lance etc etc than I ever cared to.
|u/skysinsane - 16 hours
|
|Same is true of drinking water
|u/cssc201 - 19 hours
|
|[Well, you're in luck: they're trying to create an "Enhanced
|Games".](https://www.enhanced.com/) But the reasons doping is
|banned in the Olympics isn't *just* for the unfair advantage
|(because the wealthiest countries can afford to develop the best
|drugs) but also because it would be horrible for athletes.
|Basically, to win, you need to take the most drugs possible
|without taking so many you don't even make it to the Olympics.
|But there's a massive incentive to take as much as is
|theoretically safe because that's what the competition is doing
|and they can't win otherwise. And because a lot of the harmful
|effects take years to show up, the damage will be done. Some
|long term side effects include serious heart issues at very
|young ages, infertility, violent and impulsive behavior, liver
|tumors, acne, hormonal issues (it can even lead to people
|developing characteristics of the opposite sex, such as men
|growing breast tissue and women growing facial hair). When
|people take steroids before puberty (depending on individual
|sports' age limits, this can be a very real problem), it can
|permanently stunt their growth. Ultimately it's just not what
|the Olympics are about.
|u/TopHatGirlInATuxedo - 1 day
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|There's still physical limits on what humans can do, simply
|because of how muscles function no matter their size or
|efficiency.
|u/colonelsmoothie - 1 day
|
|That's just the regular Olympics. Although I guess certain
|thresholds used in the tests keep things a little safer. Before
|things like the 50% hematocrit limit a lot more athletes were
|dropping dead due to excessive EPO usage. Now the athletes just
|dope up to the thresholds.
|u/shrekwithhisearsdown - 1 day
|
|the enhanced games is what you're looking for. i think it's on
|soon
|u/Meow_meow556 - 1 day
|
|They’re making it it’s called the enhanced games.
|u/Huntguy - 1 day
|
|I’ve been saying for years I’d actually watch baseball if they
|were all yolked out on roids. It would be so much more
|entertaining.
|u/DavidBrooker - 12 hours
|
|Although a handful of baseball players were popped for steroids,
|the performance-enhancing-drug-of-choice in baseball has always
|been amphetamines. It's a 162 game schedule, plus spring
|training, plus post-season. And whereas pitchers get a few days
|between games, position players don't: as a result, amphetamines
|measurably improve offensive production more than steroids.
|u/LuxNocte - 23 hours
|
|Friendly reminder that athletes are human beings.
|u/PoetOk1520 - 2 hours
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|Not true
|u/Ghost_Fox_ - 1 day
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|Imagine doping up thinking you’re gonna win and still getting 7th.
|u/Partybar - 1 day
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|Everyone is doping, even the ones who didn't qualify, so I'm not
|sure what you are trying to say.
|u/tesmatsam - 19 hours
|
|All the top athletes are on peds, too much money and national pride on
|the line
|u/WVC_Least_Glamorous - 1 day
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|Pro road bicycle racers: Hold my water bottle.
|u/colonelsmoothie - 1 day
|
|[Why dope when you can just hang onto the
|cars?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1lo_doveg)
|u/No-Wonder1139 - 1 day
|
|If I remember correctly pretty well everyone in the men's 100 in 1988
|tested positive, like 20 different athletes, but they only chose to
|punish the guy who won and no one else.
|u/Troub313 - 1 day
|
|Russia, Belarus, and Turkey... Shocked, absolutely shocked, well not
|that shocked. Russia honestly should lose a lot of their medals.
|They've been doping for years and only recently started getting caught.
|u/BarterD2020 - 1 day
|
|And the US and China of course!!
|u/Ightorn - 1 day
|
|The problem with Russia and China - they have state programs for
|doping. Like it was at Olympics 2014, where the KGB (FSB) have
|changed during the nights the piss of russians. Doping in Russia -
|organised and controlled by the state. While doing on USA - it is
|the idea of some sportsmen and their teams. They are acting on their
|own behalf and responsibility only .
|u/dibidi - 1 day
|
|that’s communism vs capitalism
|u/Teantis - 1 day
|
|Russia isn't and hasn't been communist for a long time. China is
|pretty much not, in all but name. it's more like a one party
|state that has significant state intervention and direction in
|economic matters but allows private accumulation of wealth and
|market economies.
|u/SamAlmighty - 23 hours
|
|It is somewhat capitalism vs communism in the broader sense of
|collective and state controlled vs individual privatized
|u/Troub313 - 23 hours
|
|Except if you look at the doping year by year, there was a large
|amount of Russian athletes caught doping in the last decade and one
|from the US and none I believe from China.
|u/DavidBrooker - 12 hours
|
|Doping by individual athletes like you see in the US is worlds apart
|from state-organized doping programs in Russia and China on all of
|each moral, economic and sporting grounds
|u/Cold_Comment8278 - 1 day
|
|Do you thinking US and China dope? Genuinely asking
|u/BarterD2020 - 1 day
|
|There have been lots of examples from both countries over the
|years. There have also been reasonable accusations of systemic
|issues and cover ups.
|u/DepthHour1669 - 1 day
|
|I want whatever lebron is on
|u/CertifiedSheep - 1 day
|
|Of course they do lmao, practically every profesional athlete is
|on juice. It simply gives too large of an advantage to ignore and
|when you’re at a level where a tenth of a second is the difference
|between gold and bronze, you would be stupid not to. US & China
|have better programs and probably access to better stuff than
|their Eastern European counterparts.
|u/Easter57 - 1 day
|
|Moreover, US gets to decide what's currently prohibited, so they
|just need to be ahead of that curve and have correct sickness to
|be "treated" for.
|u/NurmGurpler - 1 day
|
|lol no they don’t - it’s decided by international sporting
|commissions of which the US is only one member
|u/siamsuper - 1 day
|
|And who's the people behind it influencing all the members?
|u/NurmGurpler - 1 day
|
|There’s only 1 person on the executive committee from the
|entire Western Hemisphere https://www.wada-
|ama.org/en/who-we-are/governance/executive-committee
|u/osgili4th - 1 day
|
|I mean the amount of scandals from all countries in many
|competitions, make me think a ton of if not most athletes are
|using or have used substances to enhance performance. The
|difference has been how they can hide it, how over time test and
|controls have improved and what substances have been added over
|time to the ban list.
|u/Troub313 - 22 hours
|
|Despite what these people are saying, you can easily look up the
|number of athletes disqualified for doping. The Russian numbers
|are astronomical, the US has like one person.
|u/ForeverWandered - 23 hours
|
|China yes, US no. Because reasons totally unrelated to majority
|ethnicity or western chauvinism
|u/TitaniumGoldAlloyMan - 1 day
|
|What about Turkey? Never heard them doping before. You talk like they
|are serial dopers like Russia or China.
|u/SimilarElderberry956 - 1 day
|
|Athletes have a brilliant method of declaring their innocence. “I did
|not knowingly take performance enhancing drugs “. The athletes have
|personal trainers who inject them with drugs. The athletes don’t ask and
|the trainers don’t tell .
|u/Robothuck - 22 hours
|
|Yes, I watch a lot of MMA and I believe that what you say is likely
|very common. I also think that for very high level athletes, it's
|important to believe in yourself. And everyone wants to think that
|they could become a champion by their own power without any extra
|advantages. But especially if you think about it in the context of
|professional fighting - the harsh reality you will face is that even
|if you wont, other people can and will do it. And one day you might
|be directly faced up against someone who had actually not worked quite
|as hard as you, and isnt as talented or skilled as you, but has an
|unfair advantage via performance enhancing drugs. And you might lose
|to that person, and that can derail your entire journey to the top.
|History wont see that it was unfair because the other guy cheated and
|you didnt. History wont remember you at all, because now you are just
|a footnote in someone elses champion story. So I think sometimes
|athletes won't actually say they want their coach to give them drugs,
|because their pride prevents it and they want to save face. But i
|think they can delude themselves or be content with the plausible
|deniability, when they know deep down that the vitamin drinks coach
|gives them are definitely fresh research chemicals from a lab that are
|the newest trick to evade drug tests.
|u/ecologamer - 20 hours
|
|3rd was Shannon Rowbury. There’s no way she would dope. And her coach
|would definitely not let her dope.
|u/tokynambu - 15 hours
|
|There is absolutely no credibility to any claim that any given
|athlete is not doping. They are all doping until proven otherwise,
|and there is no way to prove it: look at all the tests that Lance
|Armstrong passed. There's equally no way on earth to sustain the
|claim that some particular coach wouldn't permit doping: what on
|earth makes that credible? Athletics consists of two sorts of
|people: those doping and stupid enough to get caught, and those
|doping and clever enough not to get taught. There may be some
|mythical third category, but it's not worth debating who's in it
|until there's some evidence it exists. Cycling: they're all doping
|(either illicitly, or by bullshit claims about their allergies in
|the manner of Bradley Wiggins). Distance running: they're all
|doping. Sprinting: they're al ldoping. Swimming: they're all
|doping. Field: they're all doping. What on earth makes you think
|that anyone isn't?
|u/MastodonFarm - 13 hours
|
|Why spend any energy following sports if this is what you believe?
|u/tokynambu - 6 hours
|
|I don’t.
|u/osktox - 1 day
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|Why weren't the 5th disqualified?
|u/JamesCDiamond - 1 day
|
|> In 2016, the IAAF reported that Ethiopian runner Abeba Aregawi, who
|initially finished the final in fifth place, had also failed a drug
|test,[18] though she was reinstated in July. > On February 29, 2016,
|the Swedish Athletics Federation stated that Aregawi had tested
|positive for the substance (meldonium) in January 2016.[15] She was
|provisionally suspended from competing the same day.[15] In July 2016,
|the Swedish Doping Commission lifted her suspension due to
|insufficient evidence on how long the drug - which was prohibited only
|January 2016 - takes to be excreted from the body.[16] Sounds like
|she wasn't found to be doing anything in the relevant period and may
|not have been doing anything against the rules at all.
|u/EinSchurzAufReisen - 1 day
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|Surprised Pikachu Face
|u/NatureLoverMadam - 1 day
|
|That's insane!... I remember that race being talked about for the wrong
|reasons, but I didn't know the extent of it. Doping scandals like this
|really undermine the integrity of the Olympics. Shame that so many
|athletes were involved and had to be disqualified...
|u/kblkbl165 - 20 hours
|
|You guys will have a fun time reading about the -94kg weightlifting
|event in London 2012 also. As of now the golden medal is with the 5th
|place(yes, 1/2/3/4th busted), silver with the 8th and there were 3 more
|below the original top10 that were also busted. 8/20 were disqualified
|u/DalekPredator - 1 day
|
|They say six of the top nine were found to be doping, I say three of the
|top nine got away with doping.
|u/Legio-V-Alaudae - 21 hours
|
|That's almost as embarrassing as switching out the urine of all your
|competitors when you're the host country. Russia, I'm looking at you.
|u/Admirable_Remove6824 - 17 hours
|
|Can we just say that Russia and the countries influenced by them are the
|most likely abusers. Even turkey can fall under that umbrella. It’s
|consistently Russia in all sports by a long shot.
|u/Beneficial-Focus3702 - 1 day
|
|Honestly at this point let’s just cancel the Olympics.
|u/pVom - 1 day
|
|I do feel like it's getting better, evident by the fact that there's
|far less records being broken
|u/Partybar - 1 day
|
|Or just accept it's part of the process. People want to see super
|human feats even if they frown upon how it happens.
|u/FriendlyDespot - 1 day
|
|If we accept PEDs in sports then you're going to end up with a whole
|lot of roided-out kids needing heart transplants by age 25, and
|doping in sports is going to go from seeing how much you can get
|away with without being detected to seeing how much you can get away
|with without killing yourself. Let's not go down that road.
|u/thelamestofall - 11 hours
|
|Literally what bodybuilding is now. Only limited by roid gut
|apparently
|u/colonelsmoothie - 1 day
|
|I'm okay with that. If PEDs are allowed, participants will clearly
|know what they're getting into before they invest their lives into
|the sport. In Tyler Hamilton's autobiography, he says when he
|found out everyone was doping, his only options were to either
|quit the sport and be a bum with no marketable skills since he
|spent his entire life up to that point being an athlete, or start
|doping. The alternative is like what you said, a secret game of
|finding the shadiest doctors and injecting black market drugs into
|your system. I don't really see how pretending that sports are
|clean just because there are rules against doping is going to be
|safer.
|u/mozzzarn - 19 hours
|
|16 y/o are competing in olympics, they cant comprehend the
|longterm effects of PEDs when they are 13 y/o and starting their
|pro career.
|u/LiamTheHuman - 1 day
|
|Because like they said it will then impact younger and younger
|athletes. The complaint you have here is actually a benefit for
|all the other athletes. The longer people go without learning to
|secretly dope the better. As children get older the competition
|gets harder and the drive for drugs gets stronger. This at least
|stops drugs from being involved when the most athletes are
|competing. There are way less college athletes than there are
|highschool ones for example. I will say it would be
|interesting to see because instead of strictly genetics for
|athleticism, taking drugs so early might start to benefit people
|more based on genetics related to the absorption and use of the
|drug by the body. Like people with lower baseline testosterone
|might benefit the most.
|u/FriendlyDespot - 19 hours
|
|I guess I just care more about the health and well-being of kids
|than I do about encouraging cyclists to take their bodies to
|their pharmacological limits (and beyond) so I can watch them go
|a bit faster for a bit longer than before. At least today
|professional cyclists have an anti-doping incentive to keep them
|from going too overboard.
|u/Partybar - 1 day
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|You clearly don't know anything about PEDs.
|u/ForeverWandered - 23 hours
|
|PEDs are already allowed. Creatine is a PED, for example.
|u/frogandbanjo - 21 hours
|
|We need *one* that's just a giant sting operation, but then, yes.
|u/Tsobe_RK - 1 day
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|every top level athlete in every sports uses PEDs. They give such
|immense edge, its not possible to compete otherwise.
|u/Faranocks - 1 day
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|Every is a strong word.
|u/Shoddy-Ability524 - 1 day
|
|Snooker players need that juice
|u/ElJamoquio - 23 hours
|
|There's a section in the WADA book that prohibits... ...beta-
|blockers, maybe? ...because those drugs calm nerves / small
|muscle movements so snooker players and archers, etc, can perform
|better.
|u/frogandbanjo - 21 hours
|
|Alcohol, too. Many "steady hands" sports ban alcohol at the pro
|level.
|u/ElJamoquio - 9 hours
|
|Huh. I actually definitely get better at billiards after two
|beers.
|u/colonelsmoothie - 18 hours
|
|Bridge has had its fair share of doping scandals. Then again
|many of the competitors are old and need the substances for age-
|related health conditions.
|u/tokynambu - 15 hours
|
|Snooker is a cess-pit of betablockers, taken on spurious "heart
|condition" grounds, to reduce tremor. Shooting, too.
|u/CheeseburgerSocks - 1 day
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|It's not. Ok exception may be genetic freak but otherwise, you
|cannot win unless they use something because everyone is using.
|u/Soggy_Competition614 - 1 day
|
|Well it impossible to compete because everyone’s on PEDs.
|u/ForeverWandered - 23 hours
|
|Everyone’s on different PEDs. And different cycling programs.
| There’s a science to doing it right, and it’s not easy to do it
|right
|u/mozzzarn - 19 hours
|
|They know exactly what they are doing, its not hard. They only
|get caught because they are pushing the limits to get ahead of
|their opponents.
|u/Laura-ly - 19 hours
|
|There's a great documentary called *Icarus* (2017) on doping in the
|high level cycling world. Fascinating documentary. It went in a
|direction I didn't expect. I highly recommend it. It was on Netflix
|for a while but I don't know if it's still available.
|u/Kucked4life - 1 day
|
|Remember when Russia's biggest scandal was when it facilitated mass
|doping in the Olympics? Your future self will reminisce about how good
|we have it right now too.
|u/Laura-ly - 19 hours
|
|Before the Berlin Wall came down the American Olympic women's track
|athletes were changing in the women's dressing room when they heard
|the East German men's team come in on the other side of the lockers
|speaking in deep male voices. One of the Americans looked around on
|the other side of the lockers....turns out it was the East German
|*women's* track team who had been so doped up that their voices
|changed to a male baritone sound.
|u/SweetSexyRoms - 13 hours
|
|There was a rumor floating around that Putin wanted to get back at the
|US for humiliating him and the Russian athletes that he called for an
|increased level of interference in the 2016 election. Because he got
|butt hurt over being called a cheater, we get stuck with Trumpty
|Dumpty.
|u/MrJoyless - 1 day
|
|So 3rd got 1st, 6th got 2nd, and 8th got 3rd? Got it!
|u/sweetpowderedsugar - 1 day
|
|TIL that the 2012 Women's 1500m was dubbed one of the dirtiest races
|ever, with half the top finishers getting busted for doping—guess the
|gold medals were all fake flexes
|u/Traxe33 - 15 hours
|
|"Our 'roided up guy beat your 'roided up guy." Bill Burr.
|u/Bear_Caulk - 21 hours
|
|>The Russian middle-distance runner, now 49, was on Tuesday stripped of
|the silver medal she won in that event, as well as being banned from the
|sport for 10 years. Good thing they banned her for 10 years. Ages 50-59
|would've been her peak performing years.
|u/benderliveslarge - 1 day
|
|Damn! For some reason, I thought only the athletes who won medals were
|tested. Why test an athlete who came in 9th?
|u/colonelsmoothie - 1 day
|
|It's hilarious when you see the occasional story of an entire field
|quitting an amateur race when there's the slightest rumor of doping
|authorities showing up.
|u/dupontred - 23 hours
|
|Google the 1983 Pan American Games. It’s a trip.
|u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz - 14 hours
|
|In this one, they possibly could have gotten a medal. They would have
|ended up 4th/5th. If 5th place was disqualified and one of the other 3
|"non doping" athletes was actually doping, they would have gotten the
|medal while also doping. Also it's easier to just test everyone and
|make it a blind test. The testers have no clue who they are testing so
|there is no chance of bias on their end.
|u/3dforlife - 1 day
|
|I don't understand what's the prestige of winning a race with doping,
|knowing deep down it was all fake...
|u/Unfrid - 1 day
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|almost all olympic athletes dope. when you’re a genetic freak for a
|sport and are competing against other genetic freaks, you and your
|competitors are all at or near your peak athleticism. all it takes is
|one person to use PEDs and everyone will have to to be able to
|compete. As an athlete you may be heavily pressured or even forced to
|take them, historically think USSR. Present times China and North
|Korea. If they’re taking PEDs, which you can’t really blame them as
|individuals for doing, other athletes will be much more inclined to
|keep up. There’s also athletes who dope because they don’t care, for
|them this is a job like any other. Their sponsors and funding rely on
|results and everyone’s cheating already anyways so what’s the harm
|There’s little justification for cheating, but there’s a million
|reasons leading to it
|u/3dforlife - 1 day
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|Yeah, seems about right, unfortunately.
|u/pVom - 1 day
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|There's something to be said for beating everyone else who's also
|doping. It's not like you or I could dope and start beating Olympians,
|doping or not.
|u/JackHoffenstein - 18 hours
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|It's utter naivete to think every single person isn't using PEDs in
|any professional sport. The only difference is who gets caught and who
|doesn't.
|u/3dforlife - 18 hours
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|Don't they test each and every person?
|u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz - 14 hours
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|They do but there have been quite a few times where a medal was
|rescinded years later because testing caught up to what they were
|taking. This was one of them. One of the racers was disqualified
|from the 2012 race in 2021 due to their 2012 sample. Also many of
|the PEDs today are for maximizing training instead of the race. So
|if it takes 2 weeks to get the drug out of your system, you just
|take it upto one month before your race. So when you get tested,
|you are "clean" even though you have been doping.
|u/3dforlife - 14 hours
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|You make some good points.
|u/PoetOk1520 - 2 hours
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|No that doesn’t work either because they make you give samples
|throughout the year
|u/TheDaysComeAndGone - 1 day
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|It’s not like drugs suddenly give you superpowers. Especially ones
|which must pass doping tests and regulations. It’s very different
|from taking the bus in a Marathon run to skip half of it. These
|athletes still train hard and have basically their whole life
|dedicated to becoming better, faster, stronger. (which, by the way,
|also explains the allure of doping)
|u/frogandbanjo - 21 hours
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|Loser talk. Winners win and winning is winning and nothing else
|matters. Seriously, the winner mindset oftentimes doesn't even have
|much to do with money or fame. Sure, once they get a taste (of the
|former especially,) they rarely want to give it up, but there is a
|savage purity at work. There are documented mental illnesses where
|little kids freak the fuck out when they lose at stupid-ass pointless
|games in school or even at home. It's literally *just* losing that
|causes the meltdown.
|u/friedricekid - 1 day
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|nice.
|u/Duduturkeysauce - 21 hours
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|well the world was scheduled to end at the end of the year so 🤷
|u/Gambler_Eight - 1 day
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|They got disqualified 12 years later? Why even bother at that point lol.
|u/Scarpity026 - 21 hours
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|Doping doesn't give anyone an advantage when everyone's doing it.
|u/gangstasadvocate - 1 day
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|Gang gang! I like drugs. We should all be on them.
|u/Boggie135 - 22 hours
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|If they all cheat, doesn't that makes sense it fair?
|u/BornSlippy2 - 1 day
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|I'd call it "Good old times" when women in sport had artificially
|elevated testosterone, not endogenous.
|u/magus_vk - 1 day
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|**Op-Ed: Doubts over doping of American Olympic sprinter cannot be left
|unanswered: Global Times Op-Ed (Aug 2024)** \-
|[Source](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202408/1317526.shtml) (a
|Chinese website; likely state-run) >*For a long time, due to the
|hegemonic attitude of the US in the field of anti-doping - I can only
|check you, but you are not allowed to check me - its domestic anti-
|doping working procedures and testing standards are uneven, and its
|handling of doping by American athletes has also been extremely opaque,
|forming a huge sports black box.* >*...up to 90 percent of American
|athletes, including professional and college athletes, do not compete
|under the World Anti-Doping Code. (The Chinese) People have every reason
|to suspect that the USADA (i.e. the US anti-doping agency) is negligent
|in supervising drug abuse among domestic athletes, or even intentionally
|covering it up.*
|u/CallidoraBlack - 1 day
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|>...up to 90 percent of American athletes, including professional and
|college athletes They mean athletes that don't even compete
|internationally. So that doesn't really affect anyone else.
|u/Internal-Business-97 - 21 hours
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|Even steroids can’t make distance running cool or exciting.
|