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|u/suchascenicworld - 23 hours
|
|Just so everyone is aware, the top image is the cub of the sabertooth
|belonging to the genus Homotherium while the bottom image is a lion cub.
|This find is also a big deal because with the exception of one other
|fossil, this is one of the only examples of Homotherium dating to 35-37k
|in this part of the world. In Eurasia, we thought they went extinct
|200-300k which is later than their extinction in Africa (1.5 mya) and
|much earlier than their extinction in North America, which only occurred
|at the end of the last ice age around 12k. The whole article can be
|found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1 Edit: I
|originally said the bottom was a cave lion cub but as it turns out, its
|a modern lion cub! Thanks for pointing it out!
|u/Proof-Highway1075 - 23 hours
|
|I’m pretty sure it’s just a regular modern lion cub. They call it
|Panthera leo and refer to it throughout as a lion cub, I couldn’t find
|anywhere it said cave lion. The name if it was a cave lion cub would
|be Panthera spelaea or Panthera fossilis. Other possibilities are P.
|leo spelaea or P. leo fossilis. Happy to be corrected, but from what I
|could see in that article it is just a modern 3 week old lion cub.
|u/suchascenicworld - 23 hours
|
|ooh you are right, my bad. I will edit my comment now!
|u/CrownDaisy - 22 hours
|
|Interesting that it survived in such cold conditions.
|u/Medioh_ - 21 hours
|
|Hate to break it to you but it's been dead for a long time
|u/SheepH3rder69 - 19 hours
|
|They're Ice Age mega fauna. That's the kind of environment they
|were built for.
|u/amontpetit - 21 hours
|
|>In Eurasia, we thought they went extinct 200-300k which is later than
|their extinction in Africa (1.5 mya) and much earlier than their
|extinction in North America, which only occurred at the end of the
|last ice age around 12k. The implication being a strong case for the
|theory around migration to NA via an ice bridge?
|u/mikeprevette - 19 hours
|
|Less conflict with other large carnivore. Ice bridge < land bridge
|given the lower sea level
|u/WestDry6268 - 18 hours
|
|Less conflict with human beings*
|u/Seralyn - 15 hours
|
|30k years ago, I suspect the level of conflict with human beings
|would have been extremely minimal due to the super low
|population density of humans at the time for one thing. For
|another, they would not have been hunting them for food when
|there is significantly higher yield animals that are far less
|dangerous. But maybe I'm wrong, so why do you think that humans
|would have been a problem for them?
|u/syp2207 - 15 hours
|
|because hating urself is an easy way to get upvotes in any
|animal-related thread
|u/roygbivasaur - 18 hours
|
|That ice and/or land bridge really did reshape the ecosystem. - 3
|million years ago, camels were introduced to Eurasia from the
|Americas and then went extinct in the Americas. - 70k years ago,
|wolves were introduced to the Americas - Humans introduced to the
|Americas 12k years ago - Horses went back and forth many times for
|about 100k years and intermixed then were wiped out by humans or
|naturally went extinct. We are pretty sure humans had some dealings
|with horses after the ice age where humans crossed but they were
|extinct long before Europeans showed up. We don’t quite know how
|long they had been extinct in the Americas by that point. And now
|also sabertooths might have done the horse thing. Neat.
|u/Seralyn - 15 hours
|
|Humans were not introduced at all, though I suspect you just mean
|"arrived"? However, they were present in the Americas much longer
|than 12k years ago. Off the top of my head I know of a settlement
|around 15k years old (Monte Verde II)at the very southern end of
|S. America. And as for N. America human footprints that are
|between 23k years are well documented in the desert somewhere in
|the southwest...White Sands, I think?
|u/roygbivasaur - 11 hours
|
|As far as I understand (not an expert at all), earlier events
|are disputed and currently exciting and controversial for
|anthropologists and archaeologists. I was mostly talking about
|the event we think the majority of indigenous Americans descend
|from. ETA: Oh, I see. You’re right that “arrived” is a better
|word for it.
|u/Jibber_Fight - 15 hours
|
|The horses thing is most fascinating to me. They weren’t
|indigenous at any point through natural evolution in North
|America. But through a bunch of human migratory events and
|decades of bringing them over here…I think the Spanish mostly, it
|created this whole culture of native Americans horse way of life.
|For hundreds of years it was natives with horses and dogs. But the
|hunting of buffalo and teepees and nomadic way of life was only
|because people brought horses over here. It’s kind of wild to
|think about.
|u/roygbivasaur - 11 hours
|
|I’m not an expert, but it’s complicated. Horses did descend from
|Dinohippus/Plesippus which was endemic to North America and
|crossed into Eurasia about 2.5 million years ago then went
|extinct in North America. Then various populations of different
|species made their way back to North America, diverged again,
|diverged some more in South America, and went extinct. Then
|modern (pre-domestication) horses came back to North America a
|few times and went extinct again in North America around 12k
|years ago. Either because the vegetation died in the same ice
|age that a lot of humans came or because they were hunted by
|said humans. Was fascinated with this a few years ago and love
|to bring it up. I got all that from this Wikipedia article to
|make sure I didn’t say anything dumb or misremember though:
|https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse
|u/elquecazahechado - 19 hours
|
|Top: Diego. Bottom: Simba.
|u/Thisisredred - 22 hours
|
|Thank you, kind stranger, for filling us in!
|u/suchascenicworld - 22 hours
|
|no problem !
|u/TootsTootler - 21 hours
|
|It’s interesting that they couldn’t find a color photograph of a lion
|cub, the one species of the two that’s still extant.
|u/LonelyFPL - 21 hours
|
|Thanks you the explanation.
|u/thestsgarm - 21 hours
|
|Thank you for the extra details. So fascinating.
|u/InternetArchiveMem - 17 hours
|
|Thanks for the article l!!!
|u/suchascenicworld - 16 hours
|
|of course ! the more folks interested in science and scientific
|literature (and having access to it!) the better !
|u/carloselcoco - 21 hours
|
|To be more specific, second one is a Panthera leo.
|u/ParryHotter3000 - 23 hours
|
|The cat distribution system was 35000 years too late 😫
|u/TheRappingSquid - 11 hours
|
|:(
|u/fromwhichofthisoak - 1 day
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|Bring them back
|u/PedroEglasias - 1 day
|
|Tigers need some competition, had it too good, for too long
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 1 day
|
|They weren’t in the same area as “real” tigers and there aren’t any
|mammals today for saber tooth tigers to hunt, which is kinda why
|they went extinct. Saber tooth tigers aren’t actually tigers
|either.
|u/plibtyplibt - 1 day
|
|Shush you with your books and learning’ bring back the sword
|tigers!
|u/runtheplacered - 20 hours
|
|Next he's going to tell me I couldn't ride one into battle.
|u/plibtyplibt - 19 hours
|
|Pssh the audacity of some people
|u/NuvyHotnogger - 9 hours
|
|This is actually a common mistake. The objects in the
|sabertooths mouth aren't actually sabers or "swords" but in fact
|structures made up of enamel, dentin, cementum and pulp that is
|grown from and connected to the animals own body. While a lot of
|places still have special requirements if you are to bring an
|animal around, you would in fact not be breaking any weapon laws
|by open carrying your emotional support sabertooth.
|u/plibtyplibt - 5 hours
|
|Sign me up, I’ll name him bubbles
|u/William_Dowling - 23 hours
|
|Pretty sure a sabre tooth wouldn't turn it's nose up to a cow.
|u/FrostyWarning - 23 hours
|
|A5 wagyu
|u/eat-pussy69 - 23 hours
|
|Oh it definitely would. And then immediately chomp down
|u/respondstolongpauses - 21 hours
|
|was thinking white-tailed deer
|u/CeaRhan - 23 hours
|
|You're just a hater, bring them back
|u/Funmachine - 1 day
|
|And they aren't called Sabre-tooth tigers. They're Sabre-tooth
|cats.
|u/AndromedeusEx - 23 hours
|
|And they aren't called sabre-tooth cats either. They're called
|rapier-fanged pussies.
|u/FardoBaggins - 23 hours
|
|And they aren't called rapier-fanged pussies either. They're
|dagger-mouthed felines.
|u/Bark7676 - 23 hours
|
|And they aren't called dagger-mouthed felines. They are
|called Stabby-toothed Meow-meows
|u/ali_v_ - 22 hours
|
|Cousin of the pointy tooth Leporidae
|u/cytoplasim - 22 hours
|
|🤣🤣🤣
|u/Separate_Clock_154 - 23 hours
|
|And they aren’t called dagger-mouthed felines neither, they
|are Scythe Jaw Panthers
|u/Coldin228 - 23 hours
|
|I'd like to see you call them that that to their face
|u/sicsche - 22 hours
|
|Oh I see, you also know my Ex GF.
|u/whut-whut - 23 hours
|
|Unzip...
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 22 hours
|
|They aren’t. “Smilodon is an extinct genus of felids. It is
|one of the best known saber-toothed predators and prehistoric
|mammals. Although commonly known as the saber-toothed tiger, it
|was not closely related to the tiger or other modern cats,
|belonging to the extinct subfamily Machairodontinae, with an
|estimated date of divergence from the ancestor of living cats
|around 20 million years ago.” The cloud leopard is the closest
|related big cat, but a “big cat” is a tiger.
|u/Seralyn - 15 hours
|
|Wait, I was with you until the last phrase. Tigers are big
|cats, but not all big cats are tigers. Or do you mean
|something different than what I thought?
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
|
|Machairodontinae the sub family of both *Smilodon* and
|*Homotherium* belong to are called colloquially as saber-
|toothed cats. Tigers, house cats, *Smilodon* and *Homotherium*
|all belong to Felidae ... which literally comprises all cats.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 22 hours
|
|I’m replying to “they aren’t called saber toothed tigers”.
|I’m well aware they’re a cat, but so are tigers.
|u/Crazytrixstaful - 21 hours
|
|The way you’re arguing they could also be called saber
|toothed lions ,or saber tooth jaguars ,or saber toothed
|cougars. Square might be a rectangle but a rectangle is
|not a square.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 20 hours
|
|I’m not arguing. I’m just saying it’s not wrong to call
|them X when XYZ is correct.
|u/Crazytrixstaful - 20 hours
|
|Well no, you very much can be wrong saying that it’s a
|tiger if it’s not technically classified as one. It
|can be in the big cat family and not be a tiger. It
|can be its own classification, as in “Saber Toothed
|Cat.” It is in the big cat family felidae but part
|of a now extinct branch. And they are seen more
|similar to lions than tigers by body type and
|potential pack living.
|u/Funmachine - 22 hours
|
|You just... Copied the first paragraph from Wikipedia as a
|reply? A reply that doesn't contradict what I said in the
|slightest? They are Sabre-tooth cats. As there are other
|Sabre-tooth predators, but these are the only feline ones. But
|they aren't Tigers, as Tigers are a separate genus. Smilodon
|are Sabre-tooth cats, not Sabre-tooth tigers, because Sabre-
|tooth tigers aren't a thing.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 22 hours
|
|Ok here. It’s not wrong to call them a saber toothed tiger.
|What is wrong with you guys?
|https://www.britannica.com/animal/saber-toothed-cat
|u/reefine - 21 hours
|
|CALL IT A TIGER ONE MORE TIME AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
|u/Admirable_Count989 - 21 hours
|
|saber-toothed cat, sabre-toothed tiger (source:
|Britannica.com) The hell is up with 2 different ways to
|spell s a b r e ?!
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 21 hours
|
|European vs American.
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
|
|*Smilodon* is both a sabre-toothed tiger and a sabre-toothed
|cat because it has be colloquially called sabre-toothed
|tiger and is part of Machairodontinae. That colliqual name
|doesn't imply a cladistic relationship but describes its
|appearance. The scientific name *Smilodon* does nothing
|else, meaning toothy smile.
|u/stevil30 - 21 hours
|
|i love your knowledge dropping fyi. now i get the odon
|part of smilodon
|u/FirstDagger - 21 hours
|
|Now try that knowledge with the species part of *Otodus
|megalodon*
|u/EdenBlade47 - 22 hours
|
|"And they aren't called Sabre-tooth tigers" >Although
|commonly known as the saber-toothed tiger, it was not
|closely related to the tiger or other modern cats "that
|doesn't contradict what I said in the slightest?" Sure it
|does. Literally says they're called saber-tooth tigers.
|Believe it or not, the same word can mean different things
|in different contexts. For instance, the [maned
|wolf](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maned_wolf) is not
|actually a wolf despite its name- but it's still called the
|maned wolf. Also, tigers are not a genus, genius, they're
|a species. The genus they belong to is Panthera, which also
|includes lions, leopards, and jaguars. What a strange hill
|to die on.
|u/Half-PintHeroics - 21 hours
|
|I wonder how they feel about sea lions
|u/chiono_graphis - 21 hours
|
|And starfish
|u/Half-PintHeroics - 21 hours
|
|I originally wanted to say "shield toad" instead of
|sea lion but unfortunately you don't call turtles that
|in English :(
|u/Algaroth - 21 hours
|
|OH SNAP! Cat fight!
|u/PreparationHot980 - 23 hours
|
|Hero! So many people make fun of me for calling them Sabre-tooth
|cats
|u/Ccracked - 1 day
|
|I'm sure some decently-sized mammals, in a well-sized ward, could
|provide good hunting.
|u/MyHamburgerLovesMe - 22 hours
|
|Essentially when their large, slow prey started dying off at the
|end of the ice age the saber tooth was too slow to catch smaller,
|more nimble prey (they were short legged ambush predators). They
|were unable to compete with humans and wolves for the same prey.
|https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/everything-to-know-
|about-saber-toothed-cats-and-their-extinction
|u/HeyManItsToMeeBong - 23 hours
|
|Looks like Lil Johnny Cat Facts showed up
|u/sdrawkcabstiho - 22 hours
|
|> and there aren’t any mammals today for saber tooth tigers to
|hunt... Have you looked in a mirror lately....mammal?
|u/SojournerWeaver - 20 hours
|
|I can think of one mammal that needs a predator.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 20 hours
|
|If you’re saying humans then the tigers of Asia still out
|compete.
|u/Technical-Tailor-411 - 17 hours
|
|Bring back the mammoths, the sloths, and all those animals too.
|u/Mikeieagraphicdude - 22 hours
|
|Didn’t they prey on Homo sapiens. I don’t really see a food
|shortage.
|u/Farting_Champion - 19 hours
|
|I downvoted this but that wasn't enough. You need to know that
|you're a nerd. Let people dream.
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 19 hours
|
|I have a DO and don’t like false information. You’re welcome.
|u/Farting_Champion - 16 hours
|
|Did you also write a scathing letter to correct the people who
|wrote and produced The Land Before Time because dinosaurs
|can't actually talk and because Little Foot and Spike would
|have lived in the late Jurassic period while Ducky and the
|rest would have lived in the late Cretaceous period?
|u/JollyGreenGiraffe - 15 hours
|
|Considering I wasn’t writing yet, no. My older brother did
|make little foot into his personal bang toy by making a hole
|in it though.
|u/YaBoii____ - 17 hours
|
|what type of prey did they hunt?
|u/Seralyn - 15 hours
|
|Why do you say there are no mammals today for smilodons to hunt?
|Ever heard of an elephant or a buffalo? That would be right up
|their alley
|u/KittenHippie - 28 minutes
|
|Wasnt it because of competition with H. Sapiens? Thats what i read
|but it may be outdated.
|u/Used_Statistician138 - 23 hours
|
|Tiger have only recently been pulled back from near extinction this
|is the first time in decades that tiger populations are somewhat
|stable they definitely have not had it easy
|u/Smirnaff - 1 day
|
|Man, they are literally on the brink of extinction, those northern
|ones
|u/Mr-X89 - 23 hours
|
|Have you heard of those things called "hu-mans"?
|u/PedroEglasias - 23 hours
|
|They need some more competition too, bring back T-Rex while we're
|at it
|u/Devinroni - 23 hours
|
|Naw it's just want to pet them.
|u/big_duo3674 - 23 hours
|
|I'm surprised someone hasn't already tried crossing it with a maine
|coon to make the world's first guard kitty
|u/Slkkk92 - 22 hours
|
|Kitties are already guard kitties. We don't train them to fight
|humans 'cause they'd get their shit rocked. Kitties protect against
|frogs and shit.
|u/angrydeuce - 22 hours
|
|Whenever Id get a moth or fly in the house I would just pick up my
|cat and hold her up to it to eat it. Like a biological fly
|swatter, it was great.
|u/TheIrishGoat - 16 hours
|
|I tried this with my last cat after watching him stare at a moth
|on the wall for a few minutes. Held him up like Simba in the
|lion king and chased after it for a solid 10 minutes while he
|kept missing his swings. Finally got the moth then took a nap on
|my legs. 10/10 would recommend.
|u/slackermannn - 1 day
|
|They're so cute
|u/Uptowner26 - 21 hours
|
|Welcome to Ice Age Park! “You can’t play god John.”
|u/zmbjebus - 22 hours
|
|Gotta bring back mammoths and gomphotheres and giant sloths and wooly
|rhinos and bison and stuff first. I legitimately support this. One
|day some of that might be the case. Can we all eat less meat and
|vote in some rewilding efforts so the corn belt can turn into some
|great plains again? I want to believe...
|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park https://colossal.com/
|u/redheadartgirl - 21 hours
|
|Bringing back ice age megafauna to try to survive in runaway climate
|change seems cruel.
|u/zmbjebus - 16 hours
|
|I feel like bringing back the mammoth steppe seems reasonable. I
|don't think climate will erase that cold area completely. And it
|is a better habitat at preserving as sequestering carbon (and
|permafrost) than the tundra is.
|u/70ms - 23 hours
|
|Have you seen how many they’ve pulled from the La Brea Tar Pits? It’s
|something like 2,000 so far. Please don’t bring them back, traffic on
|Wilshire Boulevard is bad enough already without feral sabertooths
|running about. 🤪
|u/Kizik - 23 hours
|
|Sounds like they'd resolve the problem nicely. Awful lot fewer
|people on the road if they're risking danger kitties.
|u/70ms - 22 hours
|
|Fewer influencers for sure, they’d be stupid around them and get
|eaten. So on second thought.. 🤪 (In all seriousnes, I grew up in
|L.A. so I love ice age megafauna, enough that I’ve done a few
|drawings from photos I took at the tar pits museum. Here’s one of
|the two Smilodons: https://imgur.com/gallery/BOTIR)
|u/Palaponel - 21 hours
|
|IDK I mean India has more Tigers than anywhere else on the planet
|and it hasn't stopped them from getting out and about
|u/Hornyjohn34 - 22 hours
|
|Actually, with this find, they probably can. They just need to find
|out what their closest living relative is, and they can indeed bring
|them back. They're doing it to mammoths, now. We'll likely have
|mammoths by the late 2020s, early 2030s.
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
|
|> They just need to find out what their closest living relative is
|There isn't one close enough. Hence: > Thus, for the first time in
|the history of paleontological research, the external appearance of
|an extinct mammal that has no analogues in the modern fauna has been
|studied directly.
|[Source](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1)
|Mommoths (i.e. *Mammuthus*) are more closely related to Asian
|elephants (i.e. *Elephas*) than *Homotherium* is to any surviving
|Felidae, and thus those attempts are being made.
|u/riskoooo - 22 hours
|
|Pshht I'm sure AI will splice something together
|u/Palaponel - 21 hours
|
|I mean, timeline predictions haven't worked out that well so far for
|Mammoth cloning. However, my main question is really "is it
|actually a mammoth?". Like firstly, how much actual Asian elephant
|DNA is being used, and secondly how much can this actually tell us
|about what real mammoths were doing? Like, if you raise a fox
|alongside dogs can we really expect it to have particularly fox-like
|behaviours? For the record I'm in favour of reintroducing
|"mammoths" if and when it becomes feasible.
|u/Hornyjohn34 - 21 hours
|
|It'll be mammothy enough. From what I understand, the Asian
|elephant is more like just the carrier, there's not a lot the
|asian elephant's DNA being used/
|u/xatrixx - 9 hours
|
|> They're doing it to mammoths, now. We'll likely have mammoths by
|the late 2020s, early 2030s. Nope, this is a scam. There are not
|enough female elephants in fertile age on the entire planet to
|perform what's necessary to do this. Far from it even.
|u/shaybabyx - 18 hours
|
|They would have no where to live. Humans have almost completely wiped
|out all other large animals, especially carnivores. That’s the thing
|with preserving dna or embryos of species that are going
|extinct/recently extinct. There will never be space for them again, we
|will never return their habitat to suitable conditions. The only way
|that would ever happen is if people completely change the way they
|live, no consumerism, no over exploitation, no habitat destruction. I
|can’t see that ever happening. This is coming from someone that is in
|uni for environmental sustainability. We are fucked and there is no
|bringing anything back.
|u/JTR_finn - 12 hours
|
|Why then have there been successful reintroductions of locally
|extinct species? Otters were successfully reintroduced to British
|Columbia. Storks, beavers, and more have been reintroduced to great
|Britain. wolves reintroduced to Yellowstone. bison to Banff National
|park. Some of these are sustained with human protection, some have
|been naturally growing and spreading on their own for years now. In
|many cases they've begun to help the ecosystems they occupy heal and
|rebuild to what it was like when they were last there. They aren't
|wholly dependent on the environment, the environment is also
|dependent on them. This is such a nihilistic view of the world and
|isn't productive towards anything. Yes the world is in a bad spot
|and likely will never be the same but there are still ways in which
|we can mitigate our damages instead of throw our hands in the air
|and give up
|u/shaybabyx - 10 hours
|
|Those were local extinctions though as you mention, an animal that
|has gone extinct across the entire globe would be difficult to
|reintroduce. I mean obviously we would have to examine why they
|went extinct, does habitat still remain for them, could we create
|habitat, how recent was the extinction, etc. I don’t mean to be
|nihilistic but I am obviously a bit, especially due to climate
|change and political issues. I think that is one of the largest
|factors influencing my opinion. I literally want to go into
|conservation, I don’t think we should throw our hands up. I just
|think we need to be realistic about how badly we have fucked up
|the Earth. So many systems are on the brink of collapse due to
|habitat loss, pollution, raising temperatures etc. How will we
|reintroduce animals dependent on arctic sea ice once that all
|disappears? Or animals dependent on coral reefs? I guess I was
|more talking about cases like that versus local extinctions. I
|totally believe in reintroduction of locally extinct species. I
|just think a lot of the time people talk about stuff like it will
|all work out, but right now we are on the verge of it not working
|out. Edit: just wanted to add I fully believe the only way we
|will fix what we have done is to have societal beliefs change, but
|currently societal beliefs are shifting in the total opposite
|direction, especially in North America. I don’t know if I see
|things getting better or changing in that regard. Companies
|control the world through money (oil companies, nestle, etc.) and
|they don’t care about the planet. Still, I will try and do what I
|can. But I don’t want to have unrealistic hopes that we can
|totally reverse what we have done.
|u/Graphic_Materialz - 1 day
|
|Ancient murder kitteh. Good kitteh.
|u/ZilockeTheandil - 23 hours
|
|I know I've found my next favorite pet!
|u/ScandiSom - 22 hours
|
|Your last pet
|u/wankerpedia - 21 hours
|
|I didn't really expect to be upvoteing dead kittens today. But here we
|are.
|u/Graphic_Materialz - 18 hours
|
|Is reddit. should have seen it comin’
|u/CELTICPRED - 22 hours
|
|My caveman brain is scared rn Me get club
|u/Graphic_Materialz - 18 hours
|
|Club sandwich to feed to murder kitteh
|u/CELTICPRED - 17 hours
|
|Feed him big club Club go bonk
|u/TheBlackDaemon - 23 hours
|
|Tiny t-rex vibes! Such a fierce little fluff.
|u/Graphic_Materialz - 18 hours
|
|We would all say awwww while it ate our feet
|u/thispartyrules - 1 day
|
|Rest easy kitter
|u/shugo2000 - 23 hours
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|It has been, for like 35,000 years.
|u/Prcrstntr - 23 hours
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|Time to wake up then, you overslept
|u/runtheplacered - 20 hours
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|Wake up, Mr. Freeman
|u/GreenTitanium - 21 hours
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|"You've been asleep, cat. For almost 35 000 years."
|u/ycr007 - 1 day
|
|[Source](https://www.livescience.com/animals/extinct-
|species/35-000-year-old-saber-toothed-kitten-with-preserved-whiskers-
|pulled-from-permafrost-in-siberia)
|u/not_a_library - 22 hours
|
|The images aren't in this article, but I read another one that showed
|that even the toe beans were preserved. Little frozen beans!
|u/GogglesPisano - 21 hours
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|[Here is the paper published in *Nature* with more
|images](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1)
|u/welIokaythen - 17 hours
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|TOE BEANS!!! Thank you for the link
|u/TechTuna1200 - 22 hours
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|I have seen enough Jurassic Park to know where this is going
|u/iWillRe1gn - 1 day
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|Ferb... I know what we're gonna do today.
|u/_dankelle - 1 day
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|The one on the bottom is actually a lion cub
|u/Shabbydesklamp - 1 day
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|Yup! They measured it against the lion cub of the same age. The saber
|kitten clearly came out cuter. It had a rounder skull (which would've
|radically changed if it would've grown up) with a wider nose, smaller
|ears and more shaggy fur. It was a murder teddy. Also it had a funny
|little beard.
|u/Faiakishi - 22 hours
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|This is why I downloaded mods to befriend the sabrecats in Skyrim.
|u/Shabbydesklamp - 19 hours
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|That already makes two of us.
|u/Sremor - 1 day
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|I think it's for comparison
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
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|No, the bottom one is *Panthera leo*, a lion cub. [Read the
|paper.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1) >
|[External appearance of three-week-old heads of large felid cubs,
|right lateral view](https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-s
|tatic/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-024-79546-1/MediaObjects/41598_20
|24_79546_Fig2_HTML.png?as=webp): (A) *Homotherium latidens* (Owen,
|1846), specimen DMF AS RS, no. Met-20-1, frozen mummy, Russia,
|Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), Indigirka River basin, Badyarikha
|River; Upper Pleistocene; (B) *Panthera leo* (Linnaeus, 1758),
|specimen ZMMU, no. S-210286; Recent. Notice the "Recent" as
|compared to the *Homotherium* specimen's "[Upper
|Pleistocene](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Pleistocene)".
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
|
|And now you have learned how misinformation spreads, [especially
|since that poster edited the comment since.](https://www.reddit.
|com/r/pics/comments/1gsj613/35000_yearold_sabertoothed_kitten_wi
|th_preserved/lxfd4xu/)
|u/stealthwaverider - 20 hours
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|What an idiot
|u/Penny_Leyne - 22 hours
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|The poster made a mistake. Misinformation takes two. The
|person who posts it and the person gullible enough to believe
|it without question.
|u/Captainseriousfun - 21 hours
|
|The news here is the climate change driven loss of Siberian permafrost.
|So much methane under there that when that goes because we can't change
|our behavior, we all go.
|u/Mattdog625 - 20 hours
|
|Legit the only comment that mentions this I swear. Seeing this is not
|interesting, it is scary. We're going to see a lot more things
|uncovered soon and all the permafrost melting is going to release not
|only tons of methane like you said but also all that frozen carbon
|matter will thaw and decompose, releasing 700,000 years of carbon into
|our atmosphere
|u/FairAndFancy - 1 day
|
|Looks like someone needs a nose boop
|u/Devinroni - 23 hours
|
|Maybe that'll wake him up
|u/Aggressive_Split_731 - 1 day
|
|Ancient Murder Kitty, I'd love to see them in full size but not alive
|alive.
|u/Devinroni - 23 hours
|
|Pssht. I wanna see them alive and pet them and cuddle with them and
|shit
|u/fowlmerchandise - 22 hours
|
|La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles has tons of skeletons of Saber Tooth
|Cats and Dire Wolves preserved by the tar.
|u/BORT_licenceplate - 1 day
|
|Sweet little baby
|u/TiresOnFire - 15 hours
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|Pss pss pss pss...
|u/jules_jokes - 1 day
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|He just took a little nap
|u/SevenRedLetters - 1 day
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|We nearly have the technology. It's time to wake him up.
|u/kamilayao_0 - 23 hours
|
| Poor kitty 😭😭😭😭😭😭
|u/ZozulZozula - 19 hours
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|Will he be OK?
|u/kamilayao_0 - 17 hours
|
|
|u/Cruise_alt_40000 - 1 day
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|
|u/the_Rainiac - 1 day
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|Definitely related
|u/Kylo_Rens_8pack - 20 hours
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|Catjam
|u/FeliniTheCat - 1 day
|
|r/cats
|u/MINKIN2 - 21 hours
|
|Soft kitty, cold kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty,
|brrr, brrr, brrr.
|u/WiseAce1 - 12 hours
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|bazinga, only beat me by 9 hours, lol perfect comment
|u/deetailor - 21 hours
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|Can I pet that dawg?
|u/Difficult-Lock-8123 - 1 day
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|If there is one species I really would like to see scientists bring
|back, it's these. Amazing animals.
|u/abbaj1 - 1 day
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|Not dinosaurs?
|u/DimondFlame - 1 day
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|Not possible with dinosaurs as there is no DNA to extract.
|u/SonoDarke - 23 hours
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|Yeah but it's the same with these mammals, right? I've heard that
|DNA can't survive more than 1000 years
|u/bamiru - 20 hours
|
|> Scientists have assembled the genome of a 52,000-year-old
|woolly mammoth using first-of-its-kind fossil DNA fragments
|unearthed in Siberia, an advance that takes researchers a step
|closer to resurrecting the extinct giant beasts.
|https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/woolly-mammoth-
|fossil-siberia-resurrection-b2591730.html
|u/SonoDarke - 18 hours
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|Oh cool, I guess I wasn't that informed xd
|u/aitorkaranka27 - 1 day
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|Can we bring them back ?
|u/GoodGuyDrew - 22 hours
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|In theory. If we can generate enough high-quality genomic sequences
|(as we now have for the wooly mammoth) it may become practically
|possible. Here’s data from one individual Homotherium:
|https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982220314214
|u/Faiakishi - 22 hours
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|There are multiple film series about why that isn't a good idea.
|u/Duvoziir - 22 hours
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|
|u/irawwwr - 5 hours
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|Uh
|u/Palaponel - 21 hours
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|I think what you mean to say is we have multiple documentaries
|serving as proof points about what not to do, and therefore it is
|now a good idea
|u/Faiakishi - 20 hours
|
|You guys really want to get eaten by an adorable sabre-toothed
|kitten, don’t you
|u/Palaponel - 20 hours
|
|I want to feel alive
|u/ToastyyPanda - 22 hours
|
|I believe if you collect all Orange Ominous Stakes and then open the
|Icerend Shrine in West Province you have a chance to catch one
|u/D-Sleezy - 23 hours
|
|Wait. I thought the earth was only 6,000 years old. /s
|u/Pleasant_Growth509 - 20 hours
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|It’s older than that
|u/D-Sleezy - 18 hours
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|Damn. I even put an /s and everything.
|u/WiseAce1 - 12 hours
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|some people just don't understand the /s lol
|u/Dismal_Database696 - 20 hours
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|
|u/Ollyoops90 - 23 hours
|
|Saber-tooth king
|u/offlineonlinehoe - 17 hours
|
|aww babie
|u/TheRealCeeBeeGee - 1 day
|
| I’m here for saber toothed kitties making a
|comeback!
|u/Pixithepika - 1 day
|
|so eepy
|u/markth_wi - 23 hours
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|Well, wouldn't that be something.
|u/AthosN8 - 23 hours
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|Is it going to be ok?
|u/SpaceHippoDE - 22 hours
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|An entire species of cat that never knew the joy of squeezing into
|boxes.
|u/FirstDagger - 20 hours
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|Not even only species, genus ... nay sub-family even.
|u/GrouchySanta - 19 hours
|
|This makes me wanna cry
|u/PiERetro - 1 day
|
|I want a saber-toothed kitten!
|u/stealthwaverider - 20 hours
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|You don’t deserve a saber tooth kitten.
|u/PiERetro - 20 hours
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|I might not deserve it, but I still want it!
|u/Ouranor - 21 hours
|
|Meanwhile I‘m over here freaking out about permafrost thawing. To those
|new to the subject: it‘s not a good thing. It‘s very, very bad. At
|least the cub is really cute, the poor dear
|u/BraveLittleFrog - 19 hours
|
|Psspsspss…
|u/krazycitizen - 17 hours
|
|probably found because the permafrost is melting.
|u/MadRhetoric182 - 14 hours
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|Cool. Now Clone It.
|u/ju_st_no - 13 hours
|
|The implication that the perma frost has melted enough to obtain such
|specimens is a bit unnerving
|u/PostTwist - 1 day
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|
|u/ActuallyAlexander - 1 day
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|Oh sure but when I post dead kittens on r/pics I get downvoted.
|u/Noahms456 - 1 day
|
|Sweet boo
|u/Numerous-Celery-8330 - 23 hours
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|I think this is sort of cute!
|u/i_am_a_user_name - 23 hours
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|New spawn point unlocked.
|u/Bheggard - 23 hours
|
|It's fascinating seeing how many long lost species we can find frozen in
|ice. Really gives us a window into the past.
|u/Zero_C00L_ - 23 hours
|
|35,000 years old is way past the kitten stage. It’s a geriatric cat.
|u/Sehrwolf - 22 hours
|
|r/CatDistributionSystem
|u/littlespoon1 - 21 hours
|
|Bottom one looks like falkor
|u/Saole - 17 hours
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|Oh god, now I have to sing it. Loud.
|u/KingAltair2255 - 21 hours
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|I lost my shit seeing this, what an amazing find
|u/CoolDigerati - 21 hours
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|Wow! Looks real enough to touch!
|u/Blue_Eyed_ME - 21 hours
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|Holy shit! Can we clone it? I have that on my bingo card.
|u/ever3st - 16 hours
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|Hold that tiger, have you not seen 'Jurassic Park' ?
|u/77horse - 20 hours
|
|Saber tooth kinda look like a cow baby
|u/No-Honeydew-8593 - 19 hours
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|Some scientists muttering "Imma clone it".
|u/Yousucktaken2 - 19 hours
|
|Is he ok?
|u/blondedemily - 19 hours
|
|Precious baby 😭
|u/Garotodeipanema - 18 hours
|
|Poor kitty
|u/Toomanyredditaccnts - 18 hours
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|Poor thing. A long cold night.
|u/Casual_Manticore - 18 hours
|
|If not friend, why friend shaped??
|u/calorum - 17 hours
|
|Is anyone else feeling like we’re pulling too many things out of the
|deep past, out of permafrost? Just let things lie dead and frozen. My
|immune system can barely handle a cold..
|u/EndlessResets - 17 hours
|
|I fucking love this
|u/my-finall-message - 17 hours
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|Thats fucking sick
|u/gimmeluvin - 13 hours
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|Let the cloning begin
|u/Importance-Aware - 12 hours
|
|This is the kind of stuff reddit should have
|u/Cjpcoolguy - 11 hours
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|Give him back, he belongs to fry!
|u/MonoDEAL - 23 hours
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|Can I pet that dawg??
|u/TRiG993 - 23 hours
|
|Will he be okay?
|u/Witty_Ticket_4101 - 23 hours
|
|Someone needs to resurrect this fluffball for science and chaos!
|u/Goatknyght - 23 hours
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|Jurassic Meow
|u/asp7 - 23 hours
|
|sabre-toothed alley cattus
|u/whodatdog7533 - 23 hours
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|Nah cuz this is acc kinda sad to see, like Bruv was just tryna sleep
|u/Deatrocity - 23 hours
|
|Pst pst pst
|u/Hefty-Revenue5547 - 22 hours
|
|Animals have gotten cuter
|u/kombi2k - 22 hours
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|But can it bark "Walkin' on sunshine"?
|u/Thisisredred - 22 hours
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|Now this is freaking cool
|u/Simple-Reception4262 - 22 hours
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|This is kinda blowing my mind right now
|u/HeavyMetalMachine - 22 hours
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|It's Morphin' Time!
|u/Bright_Respect_1279 - 22 hours
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|Hello little bebé. 😻
|u/YeshuasBananaHammock - 22 hours
|
|#FREE cloned sabertooth for each upvote
|u/Critical_Business_95 - 22 hours
|
|I think there is only studies ,we still can't breed or clone extinct
|animals yet.
|u/bingbangboomxx - 22 hours
|
|poor lil guy
|u/Kaas_9 - 22 hours
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|Friend shaped
|u/thePhilosopherTheory - 22 hours
|
|Is he okay
|u/GearDragon101 - 22 hours
|
|Eepy kibty
|u/Khaine123 - 22 hours
|
|Do we have the technology yet? I need for these things to be alive
|again.
|u/jeff-101 - 21 hours
|
|I bet they were beautiful
|u/Vanzarrk - 21 hours
|
|Not only moves in to your place but kicks you out and fucks the dog
|u/saleemi758 - 21 hours
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|Prehistoric car
|u/Goat_gutz - 21 hours
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|Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?!
|u/Pekoepuppy - 21 hours
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|Simba!
|u/ycr007 - 20 hours
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|Li’l Diego
|u/TechSales1991 - 20 hours
|
|Can it be cloned?
|u/FirstDagger - 20 hours
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|Not with current tech as *Homotherium* is quite far remove from all
|living cats.
|u/MyRockNRollSoul - 20 hours
|
|This is so damned cool! I needed to see something like this right now.
|u/Bubbly-Kitty-2425 - 20 hours
|
|Just know if I came across one of these living my last words would be
|pspspspsp here pretty kitty you look like you need a snuggle!
|u/Omfggtfohwts - 19 hours
|
|
|u/del1nquent - 19 hours
|
|ugh this is AMAZING
|u/Empire137 - 19 hours
|
|Clone it! The world needs big teeth kitty's
|u/No_Meal_1343 - 18 hours
|
|Seymour Diera? Is that you?
|u/Shoddy_Trust7580 - 16 hours
|
|Amazing 👏
|u/JamesMaysAnalBeads - 16 hours
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|We gotta start bringing these fuckers back
|u/forevercurmudgeon - 15 hours
|
|Clone clone clone clone
|u/RigelVictoria - 15 hours
|
|Where saber teeth?
|u/ArchonFett - 15 hours
|
|Was it flash fossilized? I want to boop the snoot
|u/johnblazewutang - 14 hours
|
|Wait a minute…the sky daddy chronicals told me there were sabretooth
|tigers 5000 years ago…two of em…on a yuuuuge fricken ship….now your
|telling me this is 35-37k years old???? Something doesnt add up…im gonna
|telepathically talk to sky daddy and see what he says about this…
|u/Adventurous-Low7400 - 14 hours
|
|So this cat was dead 30000 years when they started the pyramids
|u/5kyl3r - 13 hours
|
|FRIEND SHAPE CONFIRMED
|u/Layhult - 12 hours
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|Bring back the saber tooth!!!!
|u/StephieLG - 11 hours
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|Boop!
|u/zoedargue - 10 hours
|
|🥺🥺
|u/pinpinnary - 9 hours
|
|Aww!
|u/HappyAntonym - 9 hours
|
|Is it weird that the difference in head shape immediately made me think
|"There's an alternate universe where sabertooth tigers evolved into the
|dominant intelligent lifeform and a bunch of cat people are walking
|around."?? Like, he kind of looks like a little man.
|u/thevel - 8 hours
|
|Wait? What? How? The earth is 2,000 years old .../s
|u/kieman96 - 3 hours
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|That little goatee on the chin
|u/CanAhJustSay - 23 hours
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|*Mommy...I'm cold.....*
|u/Severe-Plant2258 - 22 hours
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|stop this will make me cry
|u/Quixote1492 - 1 day
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|Will they clone it?
|u/goatfuckersupreme - 23 hours
|
|pop him in the microwave for a few minutes, i wanna see a sabertooth
|kitten run around
|u/harav - 22 hours
|
|Pretty weird considering the earth is only 5k years old Apparently I
|need to add an /s on here
|u/Pleasant_Growth509 - 20 hours
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|It’s older than that
|u/kiwibirdsmoothie - 19 hours
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|it’s not
|u/Black-Briar - 12 hours
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|Wat
|u/Bplumz - 23 hours
|
|FAKE NEWS, FAKE SCIENCE. I'm testing out my "Trump strategy" since
|they don't believe in science or logic or evidence or real life.
|u/pikablue223 - 21 hours
|
|Man I hate trump as much as the next guy but this is so annoying
|u/Arcaneus_Umbra - 22 hours
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|Nobody asked. Keep it to yourself
|u/Coaucto - 1 day
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|It’s a photo of a kitten cadaver, to be a bit annoying 💃
|u/FirstDagger - 22 hours
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|Technically it is two photos of two separate kitten cadavers, to be
|really annoying.
|u/Coaucto - 21 hours
|
|Great, just what I needed! Anyone to keep going with this?
|u/FirstDagger - 21 hours
|
|Technically the top one isn't a cadaver either as modern non-
|invasive techniques allowed the carcass to be left intact.
|Furthermore cadaver or corpse is used to mean a dead human body
|(the former for dissection) while carcass is used for other
|animals. [The paper that described this frozen mummy calls it a
|carcass.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-79546-1)
|Mummy meaning of course a preserved dead body with tissue still
|intact.
|u/Coaucto - 15 hours
|
|magnificent. scientific process in action =>
|u/stephen250 - 23 hours
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|~6,000 but close
|u/SickAndTiredOf2021 - 6 hours
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|Do you have a scientific basis for that or are you just quoting your
|fiction book as a source.
|u/ledewde__ - 1 day
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|They still do science in the Russian federation?
|u/unlikelyandroid - 1 day
|
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|u/SomeFreeTime - 1 day
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|stupid bot.
|u/stom - 1 day
|
|Not a bot, it's a stupid human.
|u/RabidAbyss - 22 hours
|
|Good. Now the election is over, we can resume normal activities on
|this sub.
|u/MillenialDoomer - 22 hours
|
|Cook it and eat it! 🤤
|u/PMmeURveinyBoobs - 22 hours
|
|Did the Russians try to eat it?
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